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Hi all.
Been in discussion with the others and apphoen will transfer the funds to me this week. We will (if all goes to plan) be buying either 1 Ameo (near new for £425.00) with 12 months guarantee from a shop (known very well to myself - have done a lot of business with them). I say near new because the Unit is not in an unopened box from T-Mobile, but as far as I know it is in great condition (I will inspect and test it myself thoroughly ).
As the Euro fund stands at around 790 or thereabouts, this only equates to around £531. Not a great start for the next device, but at least the development on a CID/Sim unlocker can begin.
Unfortunately as you are all well aware, in order to get the 2nd device for our ROM cooker Midget, we will have to raise more money as we may have to pay full price (worst case scenario), but I will try within the same shop (franchise) to see if they have other units at their other branches across the country. They had an X7500 a month ago, but I didn't pay much attention as we hadn't started the project.
I prefer to deal with an establishment with a 12 months guarantee and a place I can physically take any potential device back to, if the need should arise. E-bay is great, but personally I like to buy expensive equipment from places where I can return it in person should I need to.
Any objections?
If not, we may have our first Unit this week. As I said...Blow the original supplier with his cheap prices...he was a time-waster and our contributors wasted no time in donating to this cause, therefore it is only right that we don't allow anyone else to hold up progress.
So thanks to all contributors thus far, apphoen, boinger66, ltxda, Midget, Olipro and others who I have neglected to mention. Thanks for your dedication and and hard work. We'll get it done.
Meanwhile you can contribute to the new paypal account which I setup a week ago or so..it's verified and good to go. Why another one, you ask?
Because I'm based in the UK and so are the developers. So I can quickly purchase a device and send off to the devs as soon as I get a Unit (same day special delivery). No other reason. Another contributor can take this responsibility on if there are any objections. But if there are none....you can count on me to do my best for the benefit of us all.
Between apphoen, boinger66 and myself, we are finalizing the mailing system...been a long time coming, I know. But once established it will serve us well in keeping all contributors updated about progress and also any problems developers might face.
Anyway...that's enough waffle from me.
I'll be in touch.
Please don't PM me unless it somehow contributes to the project...just until both devs have their units. It takes me a long time to answer all these PM's and not all are relevant to what we are trying to achieve. I need to stay focused as I have to work for a living too. Hope no one takes offense to this...it's not intended to.
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Current Donations Towards the 2nd Athena
apphoen - £20
Unknown - £20
mackaby007 - £20
hdbueller - £10
wgary - £10
jpvdp - £20
stupiddog - £20
Unknown - £20
Rougenator - £50
Boinger66 - £20
Anonymous - £20
cayotte - £15
Unknown - £10
mikechannon - £50
Payout to Mark as he needed more for the 1st Athena
-£47.55
Recieved back from Mark (ended up getting a better deal)
£135.00
Loaned from mikechannon
£50
Paypal Fees
-£20.74
Totals:
Total: £421.71 (I will pay the rest)Required: £50 to payback mikechannon
Please PM me (Midget_1990) when you Donate!
Develop or shens.
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mackaby007 said:
Hi all.
Been in discussion with the others and apphoen will transfer the funds to me this week. We will (if all goes to plan) be buying either 1 Ameo (near new for £425.00) with 12 months guarantee from a shop (known very well to myself - have done a lot of business with them). I say near new because the Unit is not in an unopened box from T-Mobile, but as far as I know it is in great condition (I will inspect and test it myself thoroughly ).
As the Euro fund stands at around 790 or thereabouts, this only equates to around £531. Not a great start for the next device, but at least the development on a CID/Sim unlocker can begin.
Unfortunately as you are all well aware, in order to get the 2nd device for our ROM cooker Midget, we will have to raise more money as we may have to pay full price (worst case scenario), but I will try within the same shop (franchise) to see if they have other units at their other branches across the country. They had an X7500 a month ago, but I didn't pay much attention as we hadn't started the project.
I prefer to deal with an establishment with a 12 months guarantee and a place I can physically take any potential device back to, if the need should arise. E-bay is great, but personally I like to buy expensive equipment from places where I can return it in person should I need to.
Any objections?
If not, we may have our first Unit this week. As I said...Blow the original supplier with his cheap prices...he was a time-waster and our contributors wasted no time in donating to this cause, therefore it is only right that we don't allow anyone else to hold up progress.
So thanks to all contributors thus far, apphoen, boinger66, ltxda, Midget, Olipro and others who I have neglected to mention. Thanks for your dedication and and hard work. We'll get it done.
Meanwhile you can contribute to the new paypal account which I setup a week ago or so..it's verified and good to go. Why another one, you ask?
Because I'm based in the UK and so are the developers. So I can quickly purchase a device and send off to the devs as soon as I get a Unit (same day special delivery). No other reason. Another contributor can take this responsibility on if there are any objections. But if there are none....you can count on me to do my best for the benefit of us all.
Between apphoen, boinger66 and myself, we are finalizing the mailing system...been a long time coming, I know. But once established it will serve us well in keeping all contributors updated about progress and also any problems developers might face.
Anyway...that's enough waffle from me.
I'll be in touch.
Please don't PM me unless it somehow contributes to the project...just until both devs have their units. It takes me a long time to answer all these PM's and not all are relevant to what we are trying to achieve. I need to stay focused as I have to work for a living too. Hope no one takes offense to this...it's not intended to.
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Thank goodness!
huh?
SupraSkylineSTI said:
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mackaby007 said:
Hi all.
Been in discussion with the others and apphoen will transfer the funds to me this week. We will (if all goes to plan) be buying either 1 Ameo (near new for £425.00) with 12 months guarantee from a shop (known very well to myself - have done a lot of business with them). I say near new because the Unit is not in an unopened box from T-Mobile, but as far as I know it is in great condition (I will inspect and test it myself thoroughly ).
As the Euro fund stands at around 790 or thereabouts, this only equates to around £531. Not a great start for the next device, but at least the development on a CID/Sim unlocker can begin.
Unfortunately as you are all well aware, in order to get the 2nd device for our ROM cooker Midget, we will have to raise more money as we may have to pay full price (worst case scenario), but I will try within the same shop (franchise) to see if they have other units at their other branches across the country. They had an X7500 a month ago, but I didn't pay much attention as we hadn't started the project.
I prefer to deal with an establishment with a 12 months guarantee and a place I can physically take any potential device back to, if the need should arise. E-bay is great, but personally I like to buy expensive equipment from places where I can return it in person should I need to.
Any objections?
If not, we may have our first Unit this week. As I said...Blow the original supplier with his cheap prices...he was a time-waster and our contributors wasted no time in donating to this cause, therefore it is only right that we don't allow anyone else to hold up progress.
So thanks to all contributors thus far, apphoen, boinger66, ltxda, Midget, Olipro and others who I have neglected to mention. Thanks for your dedication and and hard work. We'll get it done.
Meanwhile you can contribute to the new paypal account which I setup a week ago or so..it's verified and good to go. Why another one, you ask?
Because I'm based in the UK and so are the developers. So I can quickly purchase a device and send off to the devs as soon as I get a Unit (same day special delivery). No other reason. Another contributor can take this responsibility on if there are any objections. But if there are none....you can count on me to do my best for the benefit of us all.
Between apphoen, boinger66 and myself, we are finalizing the mailing system...been a long time coming, I know. But once established it will serve us well in keeping all contributors updated about progress and also any problems developers might face.
Anyway...that's enough waffle from me.
I'll be in touch.
Please don't PM me unless it somehow contributes to the project...just until both devs have their units. It takes me a long time to answer all these PM's and not all are relevant to what we are trying to achieve. I need to stay focused as I have to work for a living too. Hope no one takes offense to this...it's not intended to.
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Cool.....let's Rock and Roll!!!
A bit slower than hoped for, but no more than 5 days
OK thanks for your support guys. Funds should now hit my account within 5 working days or sooner and I'll get straight to it...no delaying.
Got another member willing to sell his brand new Insurance replacement Ameo...just trying to come to an agreement on best price.
Either way..as soon as I'm in receipt of the funds, 1 Ameo will be sent off within an hour of buying it. (Will test it first though ).
Still need more donations people, nothing has come through as yet.
If you guys feel more comfortable in donating direct to Midgets paypal account (in his signature), let us know here, that is no problem for me This means he can get one directly as he's next in line for a device after our CID/Sim unlocker 'OliPro'. It's all been discussed and agreed with the devs, as we need these solutions before any cooking can take place.
Let me know peeps...I'm not that hot with paypal stuff anyhow.
It's coming along but we need donations please, to make it come together.
Hi all.
Been in discussions with some of the others including our developer Midget_1990. We agree that it is best for future donations to go straight to Midget's paypal account, but he will set up a dedicated account just for this purpose...to get one Ameo/Advantage or Dopod.
Sorry about mucking you all about, but as there haven't been any donations since the last announcements, it will be easier to donate directly to him. If he can't get a Unit cheap enough, he will transfer the funds back to me to buy him an Athena through the contacts built up through this community or my personal channels. Either way things are moving forward for sure.
Not much else to say right now except that I'm liaising with a few peeps out there for devices and we'll let you know when we've actually got one.
No we haven't forgotten the list at all, it's just that everyone's so busy with work that it hasn't all come together as yet...but it will, especially where it counts most of all...development progress.
P.S. Please be assured, absolutely no-one is benefiting personally from this in any way except when we all share in the end result of this venture.
Hi, just set up the email + paypal account, click the button below
As usual I will provide a list of all donators + amounts so we can keep track, an athena will cost around £420 so lets aim for that!
Midget_1990 said:
Hi, just set up the email + paypal account, click the button below
As usual I will provide a list of all donators + amounts so we can keep track, an athena will cost around £420 so lets aim for that!
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Nice one Midget_1990. You'll also get the remainder of the funds after the purchase of the 1st Ameo next week. I'll send it via paypal to you account & donate some myself to get this kickstarted again.
C'mon guys were almost there! Development has already started with our devs guys and some of our xda members with regards to SIM unlocking...were just not publicising anything yet until it's a safe and useable solution for all.
We need your money.
P.S. Midget_1990 can you please add the new Doantion code to your signature please? ....just until we have the required funds for the 2nd Athena. Just in case new potential contributors do not see this thread/post? Cheers matey.
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Nice one Midget_1990. You'll also get the remainder of the funds after the purchase of the 1st Ameo next week. I'll send it via paypal to you account & donate some myself to get this kickstarted again.
C'mon guys were almost there! Development has already started with our devs guys and some of our xda members with regards to SIM unlocking...were just not publicising anything yet until it's a safe and useable solution for all.
We need your money.
P.S. Midget_1990 can you please add the new Doantion code to your signature please? ....just until we have the required funds for the 2nd Athena. Just in case new potential contributors do not see this thread/post? Cheers matey.
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Hi Guys, won't be around much now - £20 donated to help us get moving again.
Thanks
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Hi Guys, won't be around much now - £20 donated to help us get moving again.
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You're a gentleman apphoen. Cheers.
C'mon friends we need your support...again
Just donated £20 to help get this kickstarted again.
Thanks for being swift about setting things up Midget. I like the fact that one can also pay by Debit or Credit card.
Yeah, as i said ages ago if you set it up as a non-profit organisation then you can accept direct card payments, no need for an account
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Shens is forum speak for shenanigans or bulls4!t.
Hope that helps
Funds are here...
OK all. Funds are cleared in my account £522.98
We're giving the waste of time supplier one more opportunity to come up with the goods and report something positive today, by 2.00 P.M. GMT, else the purchase of another Ameo will be going ahead...no more time-wasting!
Thanks for your patience all and please keep contributing. So far we will have a minimum of £180.00 towards the 2nd Athena if original supplier (with cheapest prices) falls through again. This is based on the remainder of funds with me after a purchase of £400.00 and including contributions Midget has already received.
So either way, we are on target. We'll keep you informed. There will be an update later today.
Update over at the Athena Project
Hi all. There's an update over at the Athena Project (link in my signature). Xda is running very slow for me today...don't know if anyone else is having the same problem?
Anyway it's all good so far. Won't repeat the update here again...too much to do...too little time.
nobody is interested in this?
28.43 can hardly get an athena
Midget_1990 said:
nobody is interested in this?
28.43 can hardly get an athena
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I do not understand the current fiscal situation. Mackaby007 wrote "So far we will have a minimum of £180.00 towards the 2nd Athena", so I am a bit puzzled here...
Hey,
As most of you know, I am the sole owner of touch innovation. I have done alot to this website (and I still have more to come). THe problem is, over the next half year I have alot of work ahead of me, that affects my future. But I don't particulary want to go into it.
I want someone that can look after and keep the site going for up to 6 months. I know you're thinking "What's the point in this, what do I get out of it?". Well, you get experience.
You'll get a weekly number of emails, submissions etc from people that use the website, you can monitor these, and help out there questions.
You can add programs from here etc.
Why Am I asking this?
I have spent months and months of coding this website (considering the website is only 4 months old, it's a lot of work). And I've hit a niche in the market, people want a website like this, and I am supplying them with one, but I need it to be updated while I am gone. Maybe some marketing (aka advertising) as well, so everything is running peak, and more users are coming.
This is a non-profit organisation, I make no money out of it.
I will pay the guy at the end (maybe), dependant on how much they have done to the website. And I want them to take it upon them self to make any adjustments. The site will potentially be yours for the half year (I will be checking up on it, and If there are some changes that are iffy, I will contact you about it).
It's good experience, and maybe helping me + the community out for a while.
Thanks guys,
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Okay, another idea, A team of people can request to be part of the team, and keep the site running well and keep it updated for the time I'm gone
Touch Innovation team (to-be's):
nir36
jackkkkk
Kenshino
jdiperla
AkshayGenius
Hannigan174
churka
Thanks for anyone who helps in advance, I will be up for giving a little price tag at the end, dependant on whether they've applied effort to maintain the site
No one?
I think it would be awesome to have this opportunity but I have no experience in html coding. Just the basics.
I thought I had replied to this :/
Erm, you dont need any html coding skills. You just need to know how to keep a website updated (using xda, and others) using my simple but easy and clever admin panel. Also advertise to keep hits up etc.
Napbree, I would gladly take this website, but i'm MEGAbusy with studies and work.
I suggest that instead of granting this website to another "sole" person, you create users in your admin panel and grant them to a few people who will keep it updated. I build websites and I can tell you that there's no way i'd be able to handle even one of those i've built, myself.
If a group of people are willing to help, I will be one of them.
I'll also try creating commercial opportunities for the website - profitwise.
I'd usually say "This is not the place to post these kind of posts.. use the Q&A section".. which comes naturally nowadays..
but considering the importance of this... I think we need this thread bumped up until you manage to get what you wish for.
Yes, that would be great. You've given me an awesome idea. A team of people that can mointor and keep the site up and running well, and content updated etc.
I'll start making a list of people who want to become part of the team
And if you could get a commercial opportunity, that would be amazing. I'd be up for selling it as well (maybe). It's just I want to keep the site of my hands for a while. Because my dad died only a week ago, and i'm entering a state of depression, and I need to get out into the world and keep myself busy.
Thanks
Someone?
I really like this site, and would like to see it continue.
Nathan has done such great job on developing this site, it would be shame, to see it gone waste!
So anyone who has motivation and some time to take this site under ownership, please contact nathan!
Ps. I'm one of admins of this site, and can tell you that it's really easy to update site, because of the nathan's clever admin panel. I would do it myself if i had the time, but my studies and and other projects takes too much time.
All friends of this site, let's get this thread bumped until we get some help for nathan
Firstly.. i'm sorry. Be well.
Secondly, I have some connections.. I can't promise anything but i might be able to get some advertisments going.. we'll see how it goes.
Also, if manage to get some time off .. sometime.. I'll create flash banners and put them up.
COUNT ME IN.
Thank you allevant
And nir36 thanks again, that would be mucho appreciated! very generous
I'm willing to help...
But I'm not sure if I got any use thou as I got no tech experiences or running a website.
My best experience is being a gaming forum moderator and basic computer/pda knowledge.
But, if you think I'm a good canadiate please let me know as I would like to help in anyways.
You don't really need experience in running a site. As long as you can spend some time on the admin panel to add content, it's all good.
I've added you to the to-be team , hope you don't mind.
Thanks! future for the site is looking brighter this is just a bump post
I'll bump your bump
Dear Napbree,
I am an Application Consultant and actually my job consists of making corporate websites for government entities.
Websites I've done include (not exhaustive list)
http://www.infocommsingapore.sg/industry/
and
http://www.infocommsingapore.sg/games
Same domain but totally different things.
So do count me in if you need help running the website.
I am certified in JAVA (Have Sun Certified Java Programmer and Developer certs) and am proficient in both JSP and Applications.
Currently I am writing CMS based websites using PHP, CSS, HTML and Javascript.
I can definitely write some code to add more cool functionality to your website
I'll bumb your bumbing my bumb
Hi Kenshino,
Application consultant heh, nice!
At the moment, I will be able to code up new sections for the site, for example, the new update that will come sooner or later (when I have time to finish it), has live submission, which means users can instantly add applications, as long as it applies with a few of my automated checks.
But if you have any ideas, and you want to code them up, you can definately! But I wouldn't be able to give source code, but you can code it seperately and then I can incoroporate it nicely
Thank you lots for your interest
Nathan
Hey, I volunteer too. I am a PC administrator and had had success in hosting my own sites in the past as well as prior administration duties to games like http://www.swcombine.com
Sounds great
Added you to the list, I will contact you all in the future, once I have a nice big list of contributors
Thanks
let's keep this on top.
Rule 8: donations up front are not allowed
to quote the mod "asking for donations up-front"
The phrase "if you donate you can have this rom" was never said Someone asked the dev what the public release date would be and he stated 3-4 days. I guess they always have to keep a secret when the releases are.
Seems pretty straight forward. However I fail to see how "established developer with lengthy public release list and contibutions to the scene, rewards the people who, with no pre-knowledege that something might come of it or with any purpose except to say thanks for the work you have already done it is great, helped him with donations so he layed out a beta release for them a few days early."
Maybe we need to change the official XDA rules or make an amendment or something that says. "If at any point ever you release something that does not leave every person with an equal opportunity to download it, barring complications due to persons being on differing Internet Providers, any threads pertaining to this download or the children of this download will be closed and will be looked into to determine if banning is necessary.
That way if any developer feels especially close to his biggest fans and wants to throw them a bonus to really show his appreciation he wont even think of doing any kind or pre release.
Edit: Can someone please post what rule the dev broke? Someone has already posted that he is well with the GPL and I am saying he is well within rule 8
EDIT2: I WOULD LOVE A MOD TO COME HERE AND TRY TO CLARIFY/JUSTIFY THEIR ACTIONS
damn that thread was closed ima wait to install it till its reopened
do not bar this awesome rom
lately i see that the xda team are coming down hard on epic developers. i wonder if there is something else going on...oops, i hope that no one banes me
BRING EPIC EXPERIENCE BACK
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lately i see that the xda team are coming down hard on epic developers. i wonder if there is something else going on...oops, i hope that no one banes me
BRING EPIC EXPERIENCE BACK
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I don't think it is the only one. I thought I remember reading that if Hero's backedsnack had a public releases the thread would be opened here however there is definitely a great 1.3 public release, Rom and Kernel with many things other roms don't have and the thread here is definitely not open.
Wow. I almost mentioned this to him yesterday but figured it must've been within the rules. I know there are lots of different apps/roms on here that go out early to donators, so what's the difference? I assume it's based on him stating publicly that it will go out early to donators?
Glad I got my donation in and download link in my mailbox! Epic Experience is really the only ROM worth running on the Epic right now.
Funny how when I was in the Hero forum this was common practice, and even exposed to the staff here and nothing was done.
If you did not donate, you did not get the ROM until the public release was announced. I don't see why this is a big problem? People develop and take time from their busy lives to make roms, why not ask for donations, and give the people who donate special perks?
Because it's not a donation if you have to pay for it to get it.
Let's say you go to one of those car washes...you know, with the 16 year old girls in skimpy bathing suits with the sign, Donations Only. Now, you pull up there and expect a car wash, but they tell you that you have to pay before they'll even start anything. Not knowing how good a job they'll do, you have no idea how much you'd want to pay them so, because you don't want to pay until it's done, they send you to the back of the line until they make enough money to open it to everyone.
Say one guy pays $15 to that donation and, although the view of their supple, tight breasts smashed against his windshield is highly stimulating, they do little to the car but smear mud all over and leave streaks on the window. They're done now. Great show, but that's not why he came to the car wash. He regrets giving that money now because he drives away with blue balls and a dirty car. Not worth the "donation".
Donations are something given for products/services received up front, otherwise, it's called a charge.
Now take that car wash, ask for a $5 donation up front to have your cash washed now, or wait a week and have to deal with the lines (low bandwith) of being able to have your car washed for free.
Same concept. Its not a charge, its a donation. Because you don't HAVE to donate to be able to download it. The public will be able to download it, just a few days down the road.
I am not to familiar with whats going on as I don't use that rom..but from my understanding he does make the rom publicly available...the only advantage donators get are support and early access to the beta.
I do not see an issue with that in itself...as you can try the rom and everyone has access to it..but with "betas" its up to the author how to handle distribution of it...
THE GPL states
"When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price. Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for this service if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it in new free programs; and that you know you can do these things."
Aka he has the right to charge for distribution according to the GPL..but once obtained a person is free to share the beta to everyone else if they choose.
I personally do not see a problem in that respect..of course if its a violation os a different rule thats another story.
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Now take that car wash, ask for a $5 donation up front to have your cash washed now, or wait a week and have to deal with the lines (low bandwith) of being able to have your car washed for free.
Same concept. Its not a charge, its a donation. Because you don't HAVE to donate to be able to download it. The public will be able to download it, just a few days down the road.
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Again. It's not a donation, you're saying "This car wash costs $5."
We have a vending machine at work. It costs 60 cents for a candy bar. But if we wait a month or so, they'll be placed on the kitchen table for free. Is that 60 cents a donation or a cost?
Just because it will be free later does not mean it's not a cost now.
This is okay with me: "Hey, I'm charging whatever you want to pay to get my ROM before anyone else! After I release it to the general public, they can feel free to donate what they feel it's worth."
That is apparently not okay with XDA which is the whole point of the thread. I didn't want to get too far off topic with semantics and my personal feelings.
Grow up xda
Want my advice, of course not but I will post it anyway cause I am waiting for a 30 minute rip file and dont need to read on the can.
Slap him on the wrist, remind him of the rule and move the hell on. This is a DEV doing good things. I dont agree with your rule, all he did was post a day or two early for his supporters, its not like a public release was not coming at all. But I do agree that if you have a rule you then need to enforce it or think about changing the stupid thing.
Seems to me like XDA is becoming a little too militant. Thats all right, these forum sites come and go with change.
Last thing.
I hate criticizing or supporting rules without exposing loopholes (Lawful Neutral with evil tendencies). Here's what I would do as the dev.
1. Follow the friggin' rules.
2. Make a post such as "Having troubles with the newest Beta for XXX ROM"
3. Ardent followers will recognize that ROM and ask why they don't have it
4. The OP (secondary account for the dev or a friend) will explain it's a paid beta (or "required donation" beta if you prefer) of XXXX user's ROM and can contact him here: [email protected] or however you guys do it.
5. "BUT I DON'T WANNA PAY!!!" Well, I think the dev mentioned it will be open to all on XX/XX/XXXX and he'll make a post when it's freely available as per the rules.
Ta-da. Totally within the rules to ask for assistance on ROMs even when others may or may not have them.
And don't lie. Ever. There is never a reason to lie. Dev, put a small, easily noticed and easily fixed bug in your ROM so it's a legitimate post.
People willing to buy an early beta are happy. XDA is happy. Moderators are happy.
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Again. It's not a donation, you're saying "This car wash costs $5."
We have a vending machine at work. It costs 60 cents for a candy bar. But if we wait a month or so, they'll be placed on the kitchen table for free. Is that 60 cents a donation or a cost?
Just because it will be free later does not mean it's not a cost now.
This is okay with me: "Hey, I'm charging whatever you want to pay to get my ROM before anyone else! After I release it to the general public, they can feel free to donate what they feel it's worth."
That is apparently not okay with XDA which is the whole point of the thread. I didn't want to get too far off topic with semantics and my personal feelings.
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Hi will i normally agree with you and take a pretty strict stance on the line between donation and cost. In this rom situation I do not agree. First off yes you are paying for that candy bar. However most car washes like that call it a donation because the driver picks the amount. So the only important thing we can take from that example is that for it to be a donation the donator has to have full control over the amount he wants to give.
Also the car wash is a pretty poor analogy with way to many holes to be meaningful. That car wash doesn't have a previous track record of being free but just for this one superwash you get it a little early. In addition, the car wash doesn't have a set release schedule for a stated timetable. Also another reason for the carwash it is called a donation is becuase you are directly giving money to some "charity" whether it be a real charity or a made up one like giving money so we can go to volleyball state championship. Either way you are donating money to that "charity" then they are washing your car sexily. Lastly the solicit the car wash "cost" of a donation up front.
The most important thing though is to look at the situation. Go back anytime last month and look at the state of things. The first thing the dev did was release a rom to the forums, it started gaining in popularity. Then he released some updates, bugfixes and general tweaks. The rom kept getting better and better and faithful users decided that they wanted to inspire the dev to keep up his good work so numurous people, me included, donated. Now I have only been moved to donated 3 times before, to the xda site, and since I was on a touchpro2 to NRG and MightyMike. In every instance I have donated because the people have provided with a very good product that has greatly improved my experience on my phone. Back to the story, We all donated, the dev never asked for it as payment to the rom, the roms were always available, heck there is nearly a 2 month back catalog, and I am sure there are people out there that will swear that each and every release has the best battery, or the best that, etc. So now the dev has a huge update, He has never publicly stated that he is releasing the rom as an early release and an awesome email ends up in my inbox, which can be considered nothing more than a thank you for your support. He has never stated that he is going to continue releasing roms early to donators or if it is a one time deal. Unless the dev makes a statement about it the only logical conclusion that can be drawn is that he will continue to release his rom normally but if he has a huge .1 update then maybe those "benchmark" roms will be release a little early. Since that is the current case.
If someone was to put up a phantom thread with no downloads and start asking for donations for proposed things, get rid of them. That is clearly not the case here.
I don't agree with xda in this.. schizo is a great dev with a great rom and it is fully available to the public for free. Schizo never even brought up the new release in his thread until the donators thanked him for it. Bad move xda for coming down on a dev that's just taking care of his loyal supporters.
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I have no prob with early releases, but him posting in his thread about the features of an unreleased public rom is considered a teaser and that is why the mods shut him down.
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othan1 said:
Last thing.
I hate criticizing or supporting rules without exposing loopholes (Lawful Neutral with evil tendencies). Here's what I would do as the dev.
1. Follow the friggin' rules.
2. Make a post such as "Having troubles with the newest Beta for XXX ROM"
3. Ardent followers will recognize that ROM and ask why they don't have it
4. The OP (secondary account for the dev or a friend) will explain it's a paid beta (or "required donation" beta if you prefer) of XXXX user's ROM and can contact him here: [email protected] or however you guys do it.
5. "BUT I DON'T WANNA PAY!!!" Well, I think the dev mentioned it will be open to all on XX/XX/XXXX and he'll make a post when it's freely available as per the rules.
Ta-da. Totally within the rules to ask for assistance on ROMs even when others may or may not have them.
And don't lie. Ever. There is never a reason to lie. Dev, put a small, easily noticed and easily fixed bug in your ROM so it's a legitimate post.
People willing to buy an early beta are happy. XDA is happy. Moderators are happy.
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Thats exactly what happened in the thread, and exactly the point I was trying to get across.
He never said 'donate and you'll get the early releases!!'
The mods on here are independent people and pretty much do whatever the hell they want, so the mod in the Epic forum might be more tight-holed than the one in say, the Hero forum. Where donate-to-get early is the norm.
Well I truly hope the rules at xda are changed or reworded becuase if things are continually enforced that are not in the rules that sounds like a military state.
Man! Speaking of rules I hope ur like 16-17 yourself. Otherwise those are some pedophile type hypotheticals.... lol!
othan1 said:
Because it's not a donation if you have to pay for it to get it.
Let's say you go to one of those car washes...you know, with the 16 year old girls in skimpy bathing suits with the sign, Donations Only. Now, you pull up there and expect a car wash, but they tell you that you have to pay before they'll even start anything. Not knowing how good a job they'll do, you have no idea how much you'd want to pay them so, because you don't want to pay until it's done, they send you to the back of the line until they make enough money to open it to everyone.
Say one guy pays $15 to that donation and, although the view of their supple, tight breasts smashed against his windshield is highly stimulating, they do little to the car but smear mud all over and leave streaks on the window. They're done now. Great show, but that's not why he came to the car wash. He regrets giving that money now because he drives away with blue balls and a dirty car. Not worth the "donation".
Donations are something given for products/services received up front, otherwise, it's called a charge.
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Rather then changing the rules..I think they should set a presidents on what way it would be considered ok to do this.
One comment on something that was said in the thread that got closed. A few posters there complained about charging for something that's GPL'ed. Actually, it's totally, unambiguously, and 100% legal to charge for things that are GPL'ed. It's also totally, unambiguously, and 100% legal for anyone who acquires a copy of it to turn around and redistribute it -- for free, or for money.
The GPL2 requires that Schiz license his changes under the same terms. So, anybody who donates and downloads the beta release acquires a license to use it under the GPL2. Likewise, the GPL2 requires that Schiz make the source available to those specific users. The GPL2 does NOT require that Schiz bend over backwards to immediately make his changes instantly available for free to the general public. Or ever make them available for free to the general public at all. Officially, you don't become a licensee of Schiz' changes until you either a) donate, and download it from him, or b) he posts it publicly and you download it from wherever he puts it. HOWEVER, the GPL2 also entitles anyone who acquires a copy of Schiz's changes to redistribute them independently of Schiz.
That's the check and balance. If 10 users feel poor/stingy and want to split the cost of a donation so one can grab it and give copies to everyone else, it's 100% legit and legal under the GPL. It would be equally legal for Schiz to get mad and refuse to answer questions from anyone he caught doing that, because the GPL only conveys the right to obtain the source and redistribute it. The GPL conveys no right to tech support. The fact that something is legal doesn't necessarily mean others have to regard it as good and morally acceptable. You have every right to regard someone as an immoral asshole for doing something that's nevertheless completely legal. Big corporations do things that are technically legal every day, and get excoriated for it by Slashdot users on a regular basis
Suppose I use GPL'ed source to develop an internal app used by a major corporation. There's NO requirement that the source to that internal app ever be made available to anyone outside the company, since only the company is the licensee of the modified code. The only time the source has to be made available to anyone outside the company is if the app ends up getting used in an app used by the company's own customers. That's where lots of big companies get into trouble... they'll use GPL'ed code for years for internal vertical-market apps, then slip it into a publicly-released client app without realizing the licensing implications of doing so until it's too late.
Giving another example, it would be absolutely 100% legal for Tivo to charge customers $100 to upgrade to a newer version of their software. However, under GPL2, it would be 100% legal for anyone who paid $100 for it to redistribute it to others -- Tivo-owning or not. Where the GPL2 and GPL3 differ is that under the GPL2, it's entirely legal for Tivo to respond by making their hardware refuse to allow the upgrade unless you also present it with a valid license code. However, even in the case of the GPL3, the intent of the GPL isn't necessarily to enable anyone to take Tivo's software and build his own Tivo from scratch -- it's to guarantee Tivo owners the freedom to hack and modify their own Tivo to better meet their own individual needs and improve it beyond what Tivo itself is willing/able to do.
The point is that the GPL doesn't quite mean what many people believe it does, and in some contexts the distinction between GPL2 and GPL3 are very important. Android is actually Apache-licensed, but because it's inextricably bundled with Linux, it's effectively governed by the GPL2 as well (for the most part).
I read online that Cyanogen got hijacked, went to check it out.. And apparently it's true!
Some idiot they trusted held the site for ransom and now they're moving to cyanogen.org
This is taken from http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blog/psa-transition-to-cyanogenmod-org
We at CM are very trusting of our members, showed by both respect and permissions granted to those people we consider part of the team. Last month, this trust was violated in a substantial way. In the spirit of openness, here is what happened.
CM’s history is well established, with Cyanogen releasing his original ROM for the G1 on XDA forums. Back then, there was no “CyanogenMod” in terms of the organization and structure that we have today. The builds were hosted on Steve’s personal machine, the original server was a donation of spare kit from Phaseburn. And due to the small size (and lack of funds), the CyanogenMod.com domain was bought by a third-party back in 2009 and donated to CM, when CM was a much smaller project and had no online presence besides XDA.
Fast-forward 3 years, we have 3 extremely powerful build boxes donated by the community and an army of developers, contributors, and supported devices. But, a little over a week ago, things took a bad turn. The person owning the CyanogenMod.com domain was caught impersonating Steve to make referral deals with community sites. When confronted and asked to hand over control of the domain amicably, he decided he wanted 10K USD for it, which we won’t (and can’t) pay.
We contacted those he had established deals with, only to discover that the person tasked with maintaining our web presence was setting up deals under the CM name, and impersonating Cyanogen himself. Plenty of satisfying evidence was provided by those sites / entities to make us certain that this wasn’t a misunderstanding or one-time thing.
This leaves us at a critical impasse. Being trusted with CM’s web presence means this member had control over the CM social network accounts (Twitter/FB) as well as domains (cyanogenmod.com). We have changed ownership of the social media accounts. When asked again to make the transition nicely, he responded with the following
“Hi, so you think by removing all my access across the infrastructure was going to be a great idea? We had a chat yesterday, you’ve decided to end this bitter. How about I just change the DNS entries right now. CM will practically go down.”
Refusing to be extorted for funds, and then being threatened is “ending it bitter”? Today, it happened: all of our records were deleted, and cyanogenmod.com is slowly expiring out of the Internet and being replaced by blank pages and non-existing sites. @cyanogenmod.com e-mail is now being directed to a mailserver completely out of our control, too.
We have begun the dispute process with ICANN to reclaim our domain. In the meantime, please utilize CyanogenMod.org and all applicable subdomains.
As mentioned, this member also managed our Google Apps for Business account, and therefore our @cyanogenmod.com email addresses. These addresses should be considered discontinued until further notice. We will be contacting the Google team to reclaim rights to the apps account. In the meantime, please contact [email protected] for any devrel questions or other issues. A mailserver is being established to transition devrel and other support email addresses. We will provide those when they are finalized, and they will utilize the .org domain.
We don’t like how this played out, and we are deeply hurt. Likewise, we are deeply saddened at the confusion this may have caused the community. We will continue to be open about the what, when, how, but unfortunately, we may never know the ‘why’ – though greed comes to mind. The team itself has not made a profit off of CM and that is not our goal. But to have one of our own betray the community like this is beyond our comprehension. We will update you all as things progress.
Know that we are pursuing every available legal means to regain control over our domain.
Please note, all donations that were given directly to Cyanogen (aka [email protected]) did indeed reach their destination and are not affected.
If you are a company out there that believes they have also entered into agreements with “CM” by this person impersonating Steve, please contact [email protected]. We’d like to get a handle on how widespread this was before we file charges.
-The CyanogenMod Team
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Ah.. Nvm.. Got sorted apparently.. See below xD
http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blog/domain-situation-has-been-resolved
Domain situation has been resolved
November 15th, 2012
Cyanogen
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(ciwrl wrote this, I’m just posting on his behalf so this is resolved)
So earlier today we put up a post on what prompted us to transition to our new CyanogenMod.org domain. We refrained from identifying the ex-member out of respect for his privacy and career outside of CM. Suffice it to say you guys aren’t slouches, and figured it out on your own.
With that said, the ex-member in question contacted us and has agreed to hand over control of the CyanogenMod.com domain. This was done as amicably as these things can be, and CM did not pay the fee he requested.
We will still be using CyanogenMod.org as our primary domain, and the .com address will simply redirect to this new domain. Ironically enough, ‘.org’ is better than ‘.com’ as we are not a commercial entity, and is far more in line with how CyanogenMod is structured.
We received a common question, that we’d like to take a moment to answer. Some of you contacted us mentioning that you had previously donated to a different address. When the forum began, up until about 3 months ago, the forum utilized this other address as the mechanism for forum donations and establishment of the ‘Donator’ badge. Donations made to this address prior to three months ago were used for the CyanogenMod forum IPB licence and forum related costs and were not misappropriated.
On a side note, we have also gone through internal restructuring to make sure that this sort of thing doesn’t happen again. Nobody has control over everything, and there is no longer such a large single-point of failure. Our lessons have been learned.
We ask that you please not perform any vigilante actions, we do not condone any such thing; just let this fade.
We want to move on, get you the builds you expect from us, and not mess around with distractions.
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Wow. Some people...
MOD EDIT: Thread closed. Please use the existing thread, thanks!
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