Samsung Talks About Galaxy S III Design

Samsung Talks About Galaxy S III Design - Galaxy S III General

Galaxy S III, Let’s Talk Design
June 1, 2012 | 4 Comments | Tomorrow Works
The phone we’ve all been waiting for has officially been announced in London. The Samsung Galaxy S III is being said to be one of the biggest launches of the year.
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One of the most notable differences between the Galaxy S III and other Galaxy products is the design. The nature-inspired minimal organic design identity is reflected in the smooth and non-linear lines of the device. To learn more about the design of the Galaxy S III, we had a sit-down with Vice President Minhyouk Lee (Product Design Team).
Simple and intuitive, anything not must go.
The words tell the meaning itself. ‘Minimal organic’, of course, refers to a simplified design. VP Minhyouk Lee explains that “A minimalistic design means that you remove all complexities so that only the essence remains. Bold statements like this shines more in the complicated world we’re living in”. The Galaxy S III provides an ergonomic and comfortable experience, and everything was designed with ‘people’ in mind. Its comfortable grip, gentle curves, and organic form deliver a rich human-centric feel. Inspired by nature, its design concept is the flow and movement of nature. “Most elements in nature come from curves. Instead of straight artificial lines, we focused on the elegant curves” he says. Elements of wind, water and light are all evoked in the physical construction of the Galaxy S III and you can discover different curves from each angle you approach the device.
Realizing ideas and setting the trend
Samsung always tries to set the trend and create innovations. The design for the Galaxy S III also has it all. “Even companies with 100- 200-year long histories strive to innovate. It is because they are able to read and capture the trends and present their customers with new things that they are continuously successful.” The same philosophy was applied in designing the Galaxy S III.
Though Samsung is already regarded as one of the top manufacturers with cutting edge technology, we went one step further. It wasn’t easy to put all the different design elements mentioned above into mass-production. New coating and molding techniques were applied to the Galaxy S III which, to be honest, made it a bit more difficult to manufacture. A lot of effort was put in to ensure quality, which is why we’re quite pretty confident. You’ll also find the slick classy ‘HyperGlaze’ intriguing.
HyperGlaze is the name of Polycarbonate we used on the back cover of Galaxy S III. Polycarbonate is lightweight, solid and is already being widely used in the mobile industry. It was chosen as the best material to represent the minimal organic design of Galaxy S III.
Using three layers of high quality, pure and clear polycarbonate, not only is the phone’s aesthetic elevated, but the durability and scratch resistance is maximized.
Accessories too?!
Another striking thing about the Galaxy S III is the accessories. There are quite a few designed exclusively for the Galaxy S III. If you want to fancy-up your phone, there's a range of covers, docks and chargers, as well as a C-Pen stylus. These accessories were designed in line with the product design concept.
“At first I didn’t like the idea of covering our beautiful product with a case” said Jacob. “However, many users do use a variety cases and we had to think ‘why’. Therefore, we decided to design accessories, including covers, so that it would blend with the design concept. You can now express your style with a variety of accessories”.
The design is the technology and vice versa. They’re not separate anymore
“Taking part in this project, I wanted to make the Galaxy S III the most wanted, most desirable and most popular smartphone ever”.
VP Minhyouk Lee proudly said, "Trying totally new designs and materials, we went through a great number of prototypes. Molding and Coating techniques also had to be developed. We did our best not only to provide the most creative and innovative product, but also to match the expectations consumers hold. Everything from their lifestyles to simple habits was taken into account. Not only aesthetic but also technological design was a great factor”.
To the designer of the product, the Galaxy S II is…
“Many groups within the company worked together to make it happen. And as the Galaxy S III bears the Samsung logo, we tried very hard to preserve the high standards of the ‘Samsung’ brand. I hope this reaches the hearts of our customers and makes them happy.”
http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=15035

I think they did a tremendous work on the ergonomics of the phone. It feels and looks superb in the hand, and I actually prefer the feel over the HOX for example. The thing is is that it's completely unphotogenic and pictures just don't do it justice.

I studied industrial design and the one thing you learn is concepts look great, then the engineers start making restrictions and the design changes.
The phone was limited by production and manufacturing technology not by vision of the designer. Simply put it, this is the best they could do with the current constraints for now.
Technology keeps progressing along with manufacturing processes.
Its a lovely device, and is pushing boundaries .
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You're having a laugh, design looks and feels better in the hand, Its the complete opposite especially when you compare it to hox.
Samsung are really marketing this good on them but they screwed up with three plastic design. Designed by scrooge for maximum profit."

I have to admit, I was very nervous about receiving this phone from just seeing pictures. I decided as I was going to get a white s3 I would go and have a hands on with a white hox. I did not like it, not slanting the phone in anyway the hoax to me was ugly. Fantastic to play with, and never actually using sense before I liked that part, just not the phone itself.
Then my s3 arrived, and nervously unboxing it, I absolutely fell in love with it, I was over the moon!! The pictures do NOT do this phone any justice at all, and you do need to have this in your hands to understand the quality and the beauty that this phone is
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Played with the HOX and S3 instore yesterday and definitely prefer the S3. Its like it melts into your hand. It just fits perfectly.
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jayc1980 said:
I have to admit, I was very nervous about receiving this phone from just seeing pictures. I decided as I was going to get a white s3 I would go and have a hands on with a white hox. I did not like it, not slanting the phone in anyway the hoax to me was ugly. Fantastic to play with, and never actually using sense before I liked that part, just not the phone itself.
Then my s3 arrived, and nervously unboxing it, I absolutely fell in love with it, I was over the moon!! The pictures do NOT do this phone any justice at all, and you do need to have this in your hands to understand the quality and the beauty that this phone is
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+1. Having come from using a SGS1, I was worried about the larger size and wasn't a huge fan of the styling (from the photos I saw on the internet). After getting my white SGS3 yesterday, I'm in love with the size, and it's absolutely comfortable to hold. Pictures don't do the device justice at all.

I really like the feeling when it's in my hand.
So comfortable to hold and use with one hand.
My hand is just an average size for Asian but it's possible to use it by one hand just like the iphone 4s.
I feel the design of s3 is also top notch.
Looks so premium and much better than in the photo. Personally I more like the design of s3 than the one x and the iphone 4s.(I own both)
Believe me you'll never be disappointed
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Agreed, the ergonomic aspect of the design is fantastic. (Except for a difficult to operate home button) . But there's more to anthropomorphic design IMHO than ergonomics alone and that is style. The s3 has style, but is also lacks style, for example when it uses plastic materials to mimic steel.
Overall the ergonomics of the design are awesome. But it lacks some non functional, purely aesthetic design aspects. In that respect the HOX is better.

I love the design but everyone said plastic this, plastic that. When you put the protective cover on, would it matter anymore? I have a frosted white cover which I'm absolutely love. I don't know anyone in the right mind to have their phone naked so they can feel their glass/aluminum/ceramic etc... back cover
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appelflap said:
Agreed, the ergonomic aspect of the design is fantastic. (Except for a difficult to operate home button) . But there's more to anthropomorphic design IMHO than ergonomics alone and that is style. The s3 has style, but is also lacks style, for example when it uses plastic materials to mimic steel.
Overall the ergonomics of the design are awesome. But it lacks some non functional, purely aesthetic design aspects. In that respect the HOX is better.
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Hox is a bit bulkier for normal size hand to hold. Is a draw for both phone.
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Samsung Talks About How they Disguised the S III
Don’t Bring Your Work Home..Ever!
June 14, 2012 | 11 Comments | Tomorrow Works
The Samsung was GALAXY S III announced on May 3, 2012 in London, UK. With a flurry of rumors hitting the web prior to the official announcement, it was plain to see that a lot of people were eagerly awaiting the GALAXY S III. Though some marketers might have been happy about the buzz, the engineers, it turns out, had a hard time with all the attention.
Just about everything about the GALAXY S III, including patents and technology used on the device, was top secret. Accordingly, the engineers agreed that security was among the highest priorities of the GALAXY S III.
No I can’t tell you that the GALAXY S III is … @#$%^&*!
In movies and TV shows, the classic predicament of top-secret agents is the need to keep their identity secret – even to close family. Many engineers found that working on the GALAXY S III led them into living a “double-life”.
“I got so many questions about the GALAXY S III from friends and family”, said Senior Engineer YoungDoo Jin (S/W R&D). “But I’d say ‘don’t ask me or you’ll get me fired.’ I told them to check it out after it was officially made public.” Thankfully, the people around him were understanding and cared enough to respect his work.
Principal Engineer ByungJoon Lee (Mechanical R&D) was also grilled by family members.“My eldest son is in 6thgrade,” he shared.“He knew that I had worked on theGALAXY S and S II.So I guess he assumed that I’d do S III also. Every time he saw an article on the internet about the GALAXY S III he’d ask ‘Dad! You’re making the S III, right?’ But all I could say was ‘I don’t really know.’ It was really awkward.”
While his peers shared how sensitive they were about the issue, Senior EngineerYongMin Ha (S/W R&D) simply laughed.“I love my wife and my adorable kids. But I just never told them about my job from the beginning. Haha.”
For Your Eyes Only..
Yes, security is always important and Samsung runs a tight ship when it comes to information security. However, it was a bit more special for the GALAXY S III. For other projects, there’s usually a lot more teamwork. When a problem pops up, or when somebody gets stuck, everybody in the team gets an opportunity to chip in and help resolve the issue. But not for the GALAXY S III.
There was a separate labwith security cards, fingerprint readers and everything,designated only for the few that were approved for this top-secret project. Prototypes were put in security boxes to be moved, even just across the hallway, to prevent passers-by from catching a glimpse.
Deliveries of prototypes to partners and suppliers abroad weren’t outsourced to 3rd party logistics services as is usual practice, but were done in person. People in charge had to do a multi-country tour just to deliver prototypes, and testing procedures were monitored day and night to make sure no leaks in security occurred.
For security reasons, taking pictures was, of course, not permitted. This caused headaches for a lot of different teams, as you can imagine.
“Because we were only permitted to see the products and others weren’t,” explained Principal Engineer ByungJoon Lee (Mechanical R&D),“we couldn’t send pictures or drawings. We had to explain the GALAXY S III with all sorts of words. The Procurement Department had to set a price for the GALAXY S III and purchase the materials based on our verbal explanations. It was hard for everyone I guess.Hahaha.”
Dummy boxes and multiple prototypes
Generally, the design is settled on first and then engineers get to work to realize the product on schedule. However, development of the GALAXY S III was a totally different story.Therewere three different prototypes to avoid any design leaks. All were made like final products. This meant making three totally different, continuously changing models in the same time frame.Engineers had to repeat the same process for all three types.
“I was in charge of the antenna,” said Senior Engineer BeoungSun Lee (H/W R&D). “Generally, we manufacture the antenna based on the final design and request for authorization. However, for security reasons, we had to make the antenna over and over. We had to come up with a new antenna every time the new design came out. To be honest, it was quite tiring and frustrating”.
WooSun Yoon(Principal Engineer, H/W R&D) agreed. “There were many prototypes and yes,it takes more time and effort to make more working prototypes. It’s even more difficult when you’re sending those to different places for testing and yet at the same time hiding it from everyone. Time constraints pushed me to take a lot of helicopter rides back and forth. I’m glad we were able to keep the new GALAXY S IIIunder wraps to the end, but I can’t stress enough how hard it was.”
Principal Engineer WooSun Yoon (H/W R&D) also told us how disguises were used. “We had to make three types of the GALAXY SIIIto prevent the design from leaking. And on top of that, whenever any of these had to go out for testing, we put them inside ‘dummy boxes’, which are cases that hide the design of the device, to disguise it. Even if people, inside or out of the campus, saw the device, I doubt they would have known what it was.”
The Samsung GALAXY S IIIimpressed the world yet once again on May 3rd. The engineers deserve a lot of credit not only for making such a wonderful device, but also for all their efforts to keep the information secret. Next time we’ll explore a few more episodes regarding the development of the GALAXY S III.
http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=15267

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ummmmmmmmmmmmmm......

LMAO!
OMG i totally get this!!!
and for those of you who don't... look for the lego block of doom.
it takes the place of Flash...

huahuahuahua. GREAT! LOL
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awesome lol.

84tdan said:
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why the **** would you not want adobe to make apps to support your product? apples to cocky hopefully all websites start to use flash media and apple burns in hell.

Rally187 said:
why the **** would you not want adobe to make apps to support your product? apples to cocky hopefully all websites start to use flash media and apple burns in hell.
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it's simple android scares the **** out of steve jobs, he knows very soon droid will surpass his locked down iphone. i bet he is curled up in a ball after he saw a video of android ported to his precious iphone.
as soon as steve jobs is fired and he will be for his hitler like mentality, apple will fade into nothing and it will just be windows & linux.

fixxxer2008 said:
it's simple android scares the **** out of steve jobs, he knows very soon droid will surpass his locked down iphone. i bet he is curled up in a ball after he saw a video of android ported to his precious iphone.
as soon as steve jobs is fired and he will be for his hitler like mentality, apple will fade into nothing and it will just be windows & linux.
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haha i saw that very funny and cool

fixxxer2008 said:
as soon as steve jobs is fired and he will be for his hitler like mentality, apple will fade into nothing and it will just be windows & linux.
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You couldn't be more wrong because Apple fans are like sheep to the slaughter. Even if they know it sucks they keep herding to Apple's **** cuz they're brainless idiots...

apple has proven that you can polish ****

venumx said:
apple has proven that you can polish ****
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Or rather, take something free, throw in a fancy GUI, then charge thousands of dollars for it. Poor BSD.

Hahaha great picture

SupahDave said:
You couldn't be more wrong because Apple fans are like sheep to the slaughter. Even if they know it sucks they keep herding to Apple's **** cuz they're brainless idiots...
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this is so sadly true... all or most of my friends are these types of idiots. I never went to apple I stuck with my WinMo HTC Touch and the second we booted android on there I was hooked... I haven't looked back since

Kind of off topic but I read this morning on zdnet about android being installed and working on an iphone.

ElAguila said:
Kind of off topic but I read this morning on zdnet about android being installed and working on an iphone.
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I believe they call that IC envy.

Apple Successfully Patents Rectangle With Rounded Corners (No Joke)
SupahDave said:
You couldn't be more wrong because Apple fans are like sheep to the slaughter. Even if they know it sucks they keep herding to Apple's **** cuz they're brainless idiots...
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Talking about brainless idiots I cant believe Apple have stooped this low, they must be very scared of the speed and the way android is developing, check this out,
by by Eric McBride frm androidpit.com
Apple Successfully Patents Rectangle With Rounded Corners (No Joke)
"You've read about the patent infringement claims, you've heard about the court wins and losses, and you’re probably pretty fed up with hearing the words “Apple” and “patent” used in the same sentence. We've always joked about Apple pretty much thinking they own the rights to anything square or rectangular shaped, as any product that has the potential to sell well is always accused by Apple of resembling an iPad. Well ladies and gentlemen, you’re not going to believe this, but the Cupertino company has just been granted a patent that might make take the funny out of those jokes: Apple has successfully patented a rectangle with rounded corners. I wish I could say this was a joke. It's not.
Patent D670,286, which can be fully viewed here, was issued to Apple yesterday, and what it clearly focuses on is the outer edge shape of what could be pretty much be anything. What’s important to note is the solid lines in the photo below, as they are what count. The lines with dashes are simply there for context, and as you can see from the one solid line defined in the photo, it’s the shape itself that is being protected. This may very well be the broadest patent I have ever seen, and how Apple managed to actually secure it from the patent office makes me question the logic of the US patent system even more than I already was before:
Apple normally submits design patents with at least one extra feature highlighted by solid lines, like a home button or the shape of a bezel. This newest patent however, focuses purely on the shapes of the edges, meaning that in a way, Apple now owns the right to any rectangular shaped tablet or phone with rounded edges.
Mindblowing.
The good news is that this patent could most likely end up being torn apart in court in the way of invalidity arguments. It covers such a broad spectrum that lawyers could probably come up with quite a few ways of invalidating it, and I seriously doubt that this patent will be of any real use as a weapon for Apple.
That being said, it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see Apple try their very best to use it unfairly against others.
What do you guys think about this? Can you believe Apple was granted this patent?"
I think I will take it one step further and patent the CIRCLE and then sue Dunlop, Goodyear, car manufacturers,CD and DVD manufacturers, for patent infringement, they will have to produce square wheels,tyres, CD's etc, lol.
I think its a joke that a company as big as Apple with supposedly intelligent people running it could come up with the absurd idea of patenting a shape. they must be scared, really scared lol

Very funny, and TRUE!! (about the photo) :good:
As for the patent. Where's that emoticon with the look of blood thirsty rage?
Apple has such deep pockets that they've bribed the US patent office. I mean, c'mon... a rounded corner rectangle? This is atrocious and outright disgraceful.
I admit that the iPhone is a great looking product and the smooth graphics are the best around. It's a very competent device. But... it is OPTIMIZED TO PRICE GOUGE THE CONSUMER. First, they made it fragile, with breakable glass on both sides that will break even if you have a protective case around it (sufficient shock will shatter the glass without direct contact). Then, they instituted the greatest memory scam ever, getting you to pay $100 for 16Gb additional memory that normally costs everyone else $12 via the use of an SD card. And the new charging connector? They could have released that with the first iPhone. But they didn't... because their product marketing people figured out that this would be another revenue point for their accessories business. So, they released it a few models later, once iPhone ownership became thoroughly entrenched, so they can make even more money.
Apple is one of the most profitable companies in the USA. There's a good reason for it, beyond the eye candy products. It's the overpriced nature of their goods. And the sheeple that buy their products don't see this at all... the fawn over all that Apple has to offer and take it up the rear to be a member of the club.
So, I won't own an iPhone. I like it, but the price is utterly ridiculous and the owner constraints super annoying. Android will be my phone OS of choice until something better comes along, which I don't foresee happening for a very long time.

Android the unstoppable rollercoaster
cytherian said:
Very funny, and TRUE!! (about the photo) :good:
As for the patent. Where's that emoticon with the look of blood thirsty rage?
Apple has such deep pockets that they've bribed the US patent office. I mean, c'mon... a rounded corner rectangle? This is atrocious and outright disgraceful.
I admit that the iPhone is a great looking product and the smooth graphics are the best around. It's a very competent device. But... it is OPTIMIZED TO PRICE GOUGE THE CONSUMER. First, they made it fragile, with breakable glass on both sides that will break even if you have a protective case around it (sufficient shock will shatter the glass without direct contact). Then, they instituted the greatest memory scam ever, getting you to pay $100 for 16Gb additional memory that normally costs everyone else $12 via the use of an SD card. And the new charging connector? They could have released that with the first iPhone. But they didn't... because their product marketing people figured out that this would be another revenue point for their accessories business. So, they released it a few models later, once iPhone ownership became thoroughly entrenched, so they can make even more money.
Apple is one of the most profitable companies in the USA. There's a good reason for it, beyond the eye candy products. It's the overpriced nature of their goods. And the sheeple that buy their products don't see this at all... the fawn over all that Apple has to offer and take it up the rear to be a member of the club.
So, I won't own an iPhone. I like it, but the price is utterly ridiculous and the owner constraints super annoying. Android will be my phone OS of choice until something better comes along, which I don't foresee happening for a very long time.
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I dont think anything better will be coming along in the foreseeable future, the beauty of Android is that it is open source with so many different developers working on it and always looking for improvement, it just gets better and better and its happening at a rapid rate, Apple like Microsoft are at a disadvantage in that they only use resources within their companies, yes they both have pretty good products but their success has mostly been attained through their marketing which their both very good at but things are changing.
Each year the Mobile World Congress is held to award best mobile manufacturer and best mobile device, last year HTC and Apple won these two award respectively this year however one company took both awards, and that company is Samsung.
New data released by Kantar Worldpanel ComTech has shown that Android is dominating the mobile OS market share in Australia, following similar trends throughout Europe and the US.
Android is the OS installed on 56.9 per cent of smartphones in Australia, up from 36.4 per cent at the same time last year. Apple's iOS holds on to a significant 30.5 per cent market share and Spain is the country with the greatest Android reach, with a whopping 84.1 per cent.
So I think that Android right now is an unstoppable roller-coaster and Android devices will continue to gain an increased market share in the next few years and I for one am enjoying the ride.

hawkinau said:
So I think that Android right now is an unstoppable roller-coaster and Android devices will continue to gain an increased market share in the next few years and I for one am enjoying the ride.
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I agree. It's especially encouraging to see a lot of European and Asian nations embracing Android over iOS. Part of that was probably due to Apple's exclusive contract with AT&T in the beginning. People outside the USA hold onto their phones for much longer, because of the differences in phone costs and fewer restrictions to move a phone from one carrier to the next. This likely gave enough pause for Android to shore up the margin from Apple. Apple likes to have an iron grip on the iPhone, placing stiff limits in many respects. I find it deplorable that you can only use iTunes with it. iTunes is fine as a music library manager and player, but mediocre as a cellphone device manager.
Going with the "roller coaster" theme, I do see Android overtaking Apple more extensively in the future. Samsung and HTC have achieved amazingly smooth graphics and AMOLED/LCD display quality. Apple's "retina" display is slightly superior, but this won't be for long. What a lot of people overlook is one limiting factor: the human eye. For instance, look at flat screen TV's. Going from 60Hz to 120Hz is notably different. However, 240Hz? For myself, I find it presenting "too much" information. 120Hz is easier on the eyes while still providing lifelike clarity. Who needs anything better than that? This kind of clarity exists with retina display. I don't see any room to improve it. The only exception will be the "scroll out" flexible AMOLED screens. Imagine you have a moderate sized smart phone, but can pull out a larger viewing screen for when you want to visually voice chat with someone or watch a movie. I'll bet Apple will be the first to introduce this, but I hope HTC and Samsung can get some patents filed before hand so they don't get stomped over by Apple again. Like a patent for rounded rectangles... I'm still scratching my head on that one.

Onnia 7 QC issues?

(why is there no omnia 7 forum?)
I've just been told by t-mobile that the Omnia 7 has QC issues and their deliveries yesterday were returned to their suppliers, anyone know what these might be?

I just picked one up today from Orange!.. I wonder if mine is affected
I heard from vodafone store that their delivery of LG Optimus (Win7) came in and had to be recalled immediately without sale due to a bluetooth issue.

The build quality of the Omnia is one of the things that worries me after reports like this and the issues with the Galaxy series.
Evilanglic, since you now have your hands on one, what are your impressions of the device? Does it seem solid?

Much more solid than I was expecting. I thought it would feel like a light plastic shell like the Samsung Galaxy S.
It really is very nice, no creaks, just a solid slab of deep black technology! Good times.
The back is actually wrapped in metal to the edge of the screen on the sides, it is only the top and bottom of the device which are solid plastic sort-of-cap/ends of the device.
You definitely can't call it a unibody (or can you?..) but as I say... sort of mostly 'wrapped' in a sheet of metal.
It was a close call between the (SAMOLED) Omnia and the (very nice crisp LCD) HTC Mozart, the latter fits the hand better of course due to size, but in the end the slick all black face of the Omnia, adorned with its high contrast SAMOLED screen, just made it worth it despite the low actual PPI!
It would have been nice if the rockers and camera buttons where more metallic or... metal, but instead they are old school black plastic. They work well nonetheless.
The home button is also not the most premium of push switches (compared to iPhone of course) but it is nice to have a soild key!
I would urge you to get both of these devices side by side in the store if you can, but be careful because it took me at least 20 minutes to tell the man which one I wanted to take out lol...
Here are a few pics of the construction as links:

I'm jealous. I have about 2 weeks before WP7 comes out in the US. That and you guys got the better selection of phones (minus Micro SD expansion). I am definitely getting the Focus though. Best choice out of the options available in my opinion.

ryotgz said:
I'm jealous. I have about 2 weeks before WP7 comes out in the US. That and you guys got the better selection of phones (minus Micro SD expansion). I am definitely getting the Focus though. Best choice out of the options available in my opinion.
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It's very un-Microsoft!

Freypal said:
The build quality of the Omnia is one of the things that worries me after reports like this and the issues with the Galaxy series.
Evilanglic, since you now have your hands on one, what are your impressions of the device? Does it seem solid?
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Yeah. I wont touch a single Samsung phone after the trouble the Vibrant gave my stepmom. It's not fun trying to give tech support to someone 1500 miles away, over the phone with the issues, to a lady with no clue about technology.
EDIT: It reminded me of the time I had to help someone with Windows ME. They didn't know where the "desktop" was! As you can imagine, that was a loooooong phone call.

ericc191 said:
Yeah. I wont touch a single Samsung phone after the trouble the Vibrant gave my stepmom. It's not fun trying to give tech support to someone 1500 miles away, over the phone with the issues, to a lady with no clue about technology.
EDIT: It reminded me of the time I had to help someone with Windows ME. They didn't know where the "desktop" was! As you can imagine, that was a loooooong phone call.
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I've owned a few samsungs in the past (years ago lol), and they didn't give me any trouble. I suppose it was before the major smartphone race of the the last few years though haha.
I only went for the Omnia after holding it myself, there was no way I was going to order a Samsung phone without getting into a store and exploring it - but it was more solid than expected.
Hopefully if there are any support problems in the future, I will just take it to the high street store I got it from and play super dumb and demand a replacement or different phone lol... no harm done.
It seems like a negative thing to say but keep in mind that the phone really is good right now, no problems at all, everything works perfectly so far.
Note for those not in the know: the location based issues of Android Samsungs are not present here! On maps it focuses down with GSM triangulation and GPS pinpoint kicks in a couple of seconds later, super speedy!

Well that's a relief. I suppose the biggest factor that makes it feel so much better is that it's got some metal, right?

Mine's just arrived.
First impressions are very good. It feels very sturdy with no creaks and the metal casing is nice. It feels much more solid than my HTC Blackstone, although I am worried about such a large screen getting damaged!
It's going to have to stay off whilst the sim card registers. Annoying wait ahead!

How come you got this over the mozart?

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How come you got this over the mozart?
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I was reading conflicting reviews on the Mozart's camera and since I mainly use my mobile for web browsing the extra screen acres sold it for me.
The screen quality is awsome by the way. The device also looks way better in the flesh. It seems it may also have Cornings gorilla glass which would be a welcome addition!

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I was reading conflicting reviews on the Mozart's camera and since I mainly use my mobile for web browsing the extra screen acres sold it for me.
The screen quality is awsome by the way. The device also looks way better in the flesh. It seems it may also have Cornings gorilla glass which would be a welcome addition!
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For web browsing I might have thought it possibly more comfortable to use the Mozart's SLCD with RGB pixels (higher subpixel count) if you have good eyes that is lol.
I just cant get over how amazing the 4" SAMOLED looks though...
Because of the all black screen surround, and the nature of the WP7 text laid out to the edge of the screen, it sort of looks like your phone is just one massive display, which a lot of it is... lol
The blacks of the SAMOLED just merge with the black surround! So cool.
Where does the screen end?! lol
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I am a happy omnia 7 owner. Just like what the other said, solid construction, beautiful screen.
But the build in app is sub-par (vs lg optimus) and I hope I don't regret choosing a device with 8GB of storage.
Cheers

A user over on MoDaCo forums is reporting that their T-Mobile account manager has told them that the Omnia 7 has been temporarily pulled due to software issues.
I've been waiting on one of these for some time as well, and was told today that their most recent update for handset stocks (issued internally today) did not include a new batch of Omnia 7s. The CSR I spoke to wouldn't be drawn on any specific problems with the handset, except to say that "there have been a few issues" with the ones we've received, and that I would be receiving a call in due course to let me know when mine would be delivered.
Does anyone else know anything about this?

gcaw - apparently they have dispatched Omnia 7's now on T-mobile, so I'd get on the phone ASAP.

risq - many thanks for letting me know about that. As it happens, fifteen hours after I'd made my previous post, I received a call from T-Mobile to let me know that they had stock and confirming delivery later today, but I'm grateful that you informed me of that - and hopefully others will have taken note of that information and successfully placed orders themselves.
I was also pleased to hear from the CSR (the same one I spoke to yesterday) that T-Mobile is extending the same deal to new Omnia 7 owners as it offers to Android buyers, giving 3GB of monthly data usage at no additional cost, rather than the standard 1GB offered under the fair usage policy for other handsets.
Compared with the rather pitiful 500MB offered on O2's contracts, that's a pretty awesome deal.

QC seems top notch!
Posted this on another forum. I'm happy about the build:
Well it had to happen sooner or later, in under a week I've dropped the Omnia 7 while lazily trying to hit snooze just moments ago (typing this message with my phone now lol). Dropped from about table height, and while it was dark, sounded like it landed on a corner first... Picked it up in the dark and dropped it again, this time hitting face flat on the ground.. My floors got a wood finish on top of a normal concrete slab so its pretty solid. Shocked and not feeling so lazy anymore, turned lights on, inspected phone, and absolutely no scratches to be seen...i think this is due to the matte looking polycarbonate plastic they use, plus the color looking like its been amalgamated with the actual plastic, I say this because I remember on my htc touch HD the bezel would scratch/chip so easily because all it was was some cheap paint over plastic/metal? As for glass, i read it's gorilla glass, whether or not it is, I'm glad it isn't scratched... My screen protector can't come soon enough,
Either way, I'm glad to know the Omnia7 is a solid beast . Though in truth, after dropping it, my excitement and feelings of it being a new toy has slightly washed off... My feeling now is 'it might be damaged somewhere'

I'm sort of tired of the design complaints...

... More so because all these big tech blog sites always opine on something as personally preferential as the build quality and design and almost pass it off as a "fact" and then you see other sheeps complaining about the same issues most of the time, based off what they read; simply because most people aren't capable of thinking for themself, and like typical consumers, they just get fed what others tell them.
I, for one, have liked the designs and the build qualities of the Galaxy S II and the Galaxy S III over that of the bland and dull looking iPhone and HTC One X. That's just my personal opinion, but what I don't understand is the constant complaints about the build quality.
iPhone has always been praised for its "premium feel" - but really, what are you getting in actuality? The Cheap glass+steel composition that is a shatter magnet? The plastic body on the Galaxy S series is not only in my opinion, superior, in terms of aesthetics, but it's also so much more durable and managable without any sort of expensive casing to protect these more sensitive "premium" builds.
I even see some of the cons of the Galaxy S lines by some people or tech sites being something as subjective in actuality, as design and build quality. It's just downright annoying and I think people should find more legitimate gripes.

megagodx said:
... More so because all these big tech blog sites always opine on something as personally preferential as the build quality and design and almost pass it off as a "fact" and then you see other sheeps complaining about the same issues most of the time, based off what they read; simply because most people aren't capable of thinking for themself, and like typical consumers, they just get fed what others tell them.
I, for one, have liked the designs and the build qualities of the Galaxy S II and the Galaxy S III over that of the bland and dull looking iPhone and HTC One X. That's just my personal opinion, but what I don't understand is the constant complaints about the build quality.
iPhone has always been praised for its "premium feel" - but really, what are you getting in actuality? The Cheap glass+steel composition that is a shatter magnet? The plastic body on the Galaxy S series is not only in my opinion, superior, in terms of aesthetics, but it's also so much more durable and managable without any sort of expensive casing to protect these more sensitive "premium" builds.
I even see some of the cons of the Galaxy S lines by some people or tech sites being something as subjective in actuality, as design and build quality. It's just downright annoying and I think people should find more legitimate gripes.
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Op you're wrong. It's not cause the tech sites have said that they don't like the design that everyone else doesn't, its cause they expected something newer, more original. I like the design of the S3 and already preordered mine, but I would be lying if I say that I didn't expect the design to be more slick like the HOX. Still I'm liking it more everyday but as the most anticipated android device EVER, people were expectating something more original and a phone's looks matters a lot. The HOX has so many issues, horrible battery life, screen flickering, sense crashing and reloading... And yet I still wanna buy that phone just because it is a thing of beauty. I saw it for the first time yesterday and I personally think it is the most beautiful phone ever made HANDS DOWN. If only the S3 had a better looking body, all the people saying that the S3 is a disappointment wouldnt complain as much. But again I like the s3 design more and more but as the flagship Samsung phone you can't knock people for expecting something better looking.

IMO, HOX looks way better, albeit a bit skate-board'ish (took a while to find the right word) but I aint buying phones for the looks (like my bro who regrets it with sensation).
Build quality and design are 2 different things btw, and HTC's build quality is derp.. they use fancy materials but there are nuff examples of bad-glued screens, light leaks, yellow spots or w/e with 1x and chipping with 1s and it's uber fancy hyped satellite NASA aluminum.

Yeah, well say that to my gs2 owning friend whose phone *creaked* after two weeks of usage.
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abhijit1289 said:
Yeah, well say that to my gs2 owning friend whose phone *creaked* after two weeks of usage.
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What about my friend who broke her HTC Incredible's screen 2 times already? See I can do that too. It goes both ways.

barondebxl said:
Op you're wrong. It's not cause the tech sites have said that they don't like the design that everyone else doesn't, its cause they expected something newer, more original. I like the design of the S3 and already preordered mine, but I would be lying if I say that I didn't expect the design to be more slick like the HOX. Still I'm liking it more everyday but as the most anticipated android device EVER, people were expectating something more original and a phone's looks matters a lot. The HOX has so many issues, horrible battery life, screen flickering, sense crashing and reloading... And yet I still wanna buy that phone just because it is a thing of beauty. I saw it for the first time yesterday and I personally think it is the most beautiful phone ever made HANDS DOWN. If only the S3 had a better looking body, all the people saying that the S3 is a disappointment wouldnt complain as much. But again I like the s3 design more and more but as the flagship Samsung phone you can't knock people for expecting something better looking.
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I am not wrong, I'm merely stating my opinion and I made that clear numerous times. You're trying to overshadow my point as invalid to yours or a few others who mirror your sentiment based on some sort of construct that what you feel personally goes. That's sort of the indulgent mind frame we have nowadays.
I could go as far as to say that I'm right and you're wrong based on the same logical thought process you're using.
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Yeah, well say that to my gs2 owning friend whose phone *creaked* after two weeks of usage.
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No phone is indestructible. But you put it up to comparison to the iPhone per se, I'm sure it would have incurred damage far greater and in less the time; it sounds as if your friend is a bit reckless with his gadgets. I've dropped my Galaxy S II various times without a case and at worst, I got a few negligible nicks on the side of the phone, but the screen has never gotten any gashes or cracks.

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I am not wrong, I'm merely stating my opinion and I made that clear numerous times. You're trying to overshadow my point as invalid to yours or a few others who mirror your sentiment based on some sort of construct that what you feel personally goes. That's sort of the indulgent mind frame we have nowadays.
I could go as far as to say that I'm right and you're wrong based on the same logical thought process you're using.
No phone is indestructible. But you put it up to comparison to the iPhone per se, I'm sure it would have incurred damage far greater and in less the time; it sounds as if your friend is a bit reckless with his gadgets. I've dropped my Galaxy S II various times without a case and at worst, I got a few negligible nicks on the side of the phone, but the screen has never gotten any gashes or cracks.
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You're too angry, take a chill pill. This is what you said ...
"More so because all these big tech blog sites always opine on something as personally preferential as the build quality and design and almost pass it off as a "fact" and then you see other sheeps complaining about the same issues most of the time, based off what they read; simply because most people aren't capable of thinking for themself, and like typical consumers, they just get fed what others tell them...".
what makes you think that everyone else is sheep and it isn't their opinion? Just because most people have the same feeling means their sheeps? And you think you're right about it? If you go to the Galaxy s2 I9100, many users are not satisfied with the new look of the S3 and you would think they should be satisfied since their coming from the Galaxy S2. It proves that theyre not just following what engadget or androidcentral or whatever tech site is saying, they really think it is a disappointment. I see where they coming from. But personally I'm liking it that's why I preordered it and already paid for it. You being mad and saying that everyone is a sheep and following what the tech sites are saying is just silly.

I actually agree somewhat with the OP in that tech blogs do sway peoples opinions even if it's a little. Along with the massive amounts of Hype unseen in any mobile device it's a surprise it's not shot down even more lol.
I personally think it's a freakin beautiful phone. Which is good cause thats all that matters to me.
I really hope this thing does not come with the S4 on T-Mo

The Verge is right. Samsung has the resources to make the most unique and exclusive design ever but the SIII is very generic looking. It's not ugly but it is generic. I would not mind carrying it around but they could have done a lot better.

Gnarfsan said:
The Verge is right. Samsung has the resources to make the most unique and exclusive design ever but the SIII is very generic looking. It's not ugly but it is generic. I would not mind carrying it around but they could have done a lot better.
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I couldn't agree more, you're absolutely right. It is like Samsung made a " safe" bet on the design. They definitely could have done better.

I would love to know what this "unique" phone looks like. Most encompass the very typical form. What you consider generic, others consider to be justright. Some time too much deviating isn't always a good thing.
Again, it goes back to my point, if legitimate users want to have a bone to pick with the form, that's their own personal experiences, legitimized by the fancy of that particular user. We're all abstract with our preferences. To have some blog site slamming a particular device based on perception materialistic reason is still a bad way to present a phone to readers.

megagodx said:
I would love to know what this "unique" phone looks like. Most encompass the very typical form. What you consider generic, others consider to be justright. Some time too much deviating isn't always a good thing.
Again, it goes back to my point, if legitimate users want to have a bone to pick with the form, that's their own personal experiences, legitimized by the fancy of that particular user. We're all abstract with our preferences. To have some blog site slamming a particular device based on perception materialistic reason is still a bad way to present a phone to readers.
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Just look at the thousands of concept renders for phones released each year by artists. With a little imagination and creativity, anything is possible.

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I would love to know what this "unique" phone looks like. Most encompass the very typical form. What you consider generic, others consider to be justright. Some time too much deviating isn't always a good thing.
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If you see an HTC phone for the first time, even from a distance, you immediately know who made it because they all have some distinct design features. With this phone, I can't think of anything that makes it stand out from the crowd and screams Samsung. You have to check the brand on it to know. It lacks distinct design features which I my self and a lot of reviewers find disappointing. But you may not. Thats how it works.

For me it couldnt look any better basically It's like a big iphone 3gs, no rectangulars, no nasty edges. Its sexy and i'm pretty sure it will lie good in the hand.
And i think high quality plastic is a good choice. It doesnt block signals like most forms of metal, its lightweight, it can be easily colored, it doesnt brake as easily as other materials. Only negative people always bring up is "it feels cheap".
Of course it does matter how something feels to you, but i'd rather have a cheap feeling than signal problems because of full aluminum backs^^

I fully agree with the thread title, since I don't care much about the design although I like the looks of the S3.
The thing that really pisses me off is, that there isn't just one or two threads discussing the design. No, in allmost every thread be it about the display, the cpu, connectivity, sound,... if the people run ot of arguments why their beloved phone <insert name here> is so much better than the S3, they fall back to "but it's so ugly"

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Just look at the thousands of concept renders for phones released each year by artists. With a little imagination and creativity, anything is possible.
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yeah, because the artists actually first off "know ****" about what is actually manufacturable (think of the teardrop shaped iPhone renders) and secondly do the artist never bother to think if that design is actually copyrighted or patented by another company.
as the androidpolice article stated: the design of the galaxy s3 may be only the way it is, because someone allowed apple to actually patent a touchscreen phone design which was already in place before apple first used it and would be a sensible choice to built on on.
to quote the infringement claims by apple:
a rectangular product shape with all four corners uniformly rounded
the front surface of the product dominated by a screen surface with black borders;
as to the iPhone and iPod touch products, substantial black borders above and below the screen having roughly equal width and narrower black borders on either side of the screen having roughly equal width
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so you see that not using these attributes in a phone does very much restrict the available designs.
it is not samsungs fault that they wanna play fair now.
it is the fault of the patent institution that apple was able to patent such things in the first place.
others like HTC have more freedom in their design choice because apple does not feel threatened by them. You can bet that apple would have sued HTC to their last dollar, if HTC actually would be threat to apple, but since they are not apple just does not care for the moment.
i personaly like the design of the galaxy s3 and am just withholding because i wanna see some more thorouh reviews of it.

v1rtu4l said:
"to quote the infringement claims by apple:
so you see that not using these attributes in a phone does very much restrict the available designs.
it is not samsungs fault that they wanna play fair now.
it is the fault of the patent institution that apple was able to patent such things in the first place.
others like HTC have more freedom in their design choice because apple does not feel threatened by them. You can bet that apple would have sued HTC to their last dollar, if HTC actually would be threat to apple, but since they are not apple just does not care for the moment.
i personaly like the design of the galaxy s3 and am just withholding because i wanna see some more thorouh reviews of it."
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At last, someone with a good sense !
+100
Best regards

Apple advised Samsung to build ugly phones
On 6.12.2011 a german tech. news site posted the following article
http://www.chip.de/news/Apple-raet-Samsung-Baut-haessliche-Handys-Tablets_53208546.html
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The headline reads "Apple advises Samsung to build ugly Phones"
It basicly says, that apple send Samsung a letter on how they should design their future phones to avoid being sued over.
When I first read it back then, I thought "WTF!!!".
So it isn't "the S3 was designed by lawyers", but rather "Apple designed the S3"

yeah, the funniest thing is following trademarked feature:
- display coloured icons on the display, when device is on
this is ridiculous!

I will say that the official launch didnt really do the S3 justice for its design. I poked through a gallery yesterday of it and it really is a damn good looking phone. I'm not too concerned with the "feel" of it as I usually throw a slim case on my phones anyway. People said the GS2 felt cheap compared to the HTC Vivid and I didn't feel that. I felt the GS2 was lighter but that doesn't directly relate to a cheap feeling for me. I will most likely be getting the GS3 as my next phone because I've had it with HTC/AT&T locking bootloaders. I feel the AT&T One X is destined for the same failures the Vivid saw for having the bootloaders locked for so long after its release.
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[Q] Why I am not enthusiastic about HTC One (M7)

I think there have been numerous discussions about how the lack of SD card storage and removable battery made it a deal-breaker for a small % of people not to buy HTC One. In all honesty, as much as I love HTC phones (the last three smartphones were all HTC) and want to support them, I haven't been as excited about getting the new HTC phone since I heard those 2 features won't be included.
Now..reading one of the post on the impact of not including SD card storage in this forum, I can understand some of the reasons why it is not that important. You now have a base 32gb internal storage, although a little less than that because of the OS installed. That is not bad. If you don't put much video files or your whole music collection, you probably won't fill it up. Still...nice to have extra storage available to store your files offline. Some say use Cloud Storage but that requires a wireless connection, drains your battery life faster and use up your data limit if you are not using WiFi. Nice to have all your files handy without depending on all of those conditions. What about USB OTG? Now this would the option that I would use extensively if a day comes that all smartphone no longer have memory card storage but let's face it, another wire to carry with you.
In terms of non-removable battery, this is probably a bigger peeve with me than the lack of sd card storage. By using a design with non-removable battery, HTC is limiting the life of the phone that I spend money to own. I understand that most people purchase a new phone every two years anyway. Heck, that is why I am looking at what new phones are available this year when my contract is up mid-year. But...I can still keep my EVO3D without worrying about the degrading battery efficiency/life. If I need to, I can buy a new battery and switch it out. In fact, after a year and a half of owning my EVO 3D I am noticing an appreciable decrease in the efficiency of my battery. Now some might say why even keep an old phone? For one, an older phone might have a useful feature that a newer phone doesn't have. I still have my HTC Touch Pro 2 because it is a world-phone. Whenever I travel out of country, I pulled it out and plug in the battery and now I have a cell phone while I am traveling. In case I damage my EVO3D before my contract is up, I also have a backup phone available. Beside that reason, a phone with a removable battery has a better resale value to someone who doesn't have to worry about a dead non-replaceable battery if they buy it. Finally to someone who drains their phone with heavy use, they can easily swap out for another charged battery.
I guess what it comes down to is "choice". Do I want a phone that limits my options but have pretty display, nice camera, great sound and fast performance (arguably HTC's newest phone won't corner the market on these features and that other flagship phones will come close to these specs). Does HTC know best when it comes to understanding the features that the user need and don't need? I thought I chose Android over Apple because I would have more control/option/choice? Isn't HTC behaving more like Apple?
I am sure I am over-dramatizing things but...I was disappointed with the direction that HTC is heading. I will probably get use to it if I have no choice but to pick this phone but I would have love it if I didn't have to be force into it.
I think HTC One is a great phone and it certainly looks good but I might not buy it. What do everyone else think? Are my misgivings valid or should I just get with the times and learn to accept that the future is no sd card storage and non-removable battery? I am honestly curious as to people's opinion on the matter and how some people have either adapted cheerfully or grudingly.

I hear they are using a new type of battery in the One. I read somewhere that it will last longer. It could be somewhere in the mega thread.
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Their is also a 64gb variant for the device. I'm not sure if you already knew.
But I do understand where you are coming from. I used to be in the same boat as you.
I've come to realize that not having an sdcard slot shouldn't stop me from having a great device. I will just have to adapt. I'm already familiar with otg, so that's the route I'm going to take with the one before I fully commint to cloud storage.
As for the battery, I never cared. I always take my charger with me and can charge anywhere.
But this is what I chose to do. I know a lot of people that can't just simply make that change. That's why I'm going for the one but I also believe sdcard slots should still have a spot in mobile devices. I myself don't think cloud storage can completely replace sdcard.
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Did this require a new thread? Surely these "issues" have been covered to death. You could even go have a good read on the hox threads, it was all covered extensively a year ago as well.
As you say, you have a choice anyway.
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I am sad about no SD card since the Chinese version includes a micro sd slot.
However, battery isn't so much of a concern. If there is 1 flaw of the DHD its the Battery cover. I am willing to sacrifice not being able to remove the battery if it means a sturdier handset.
I don't think non-removable batteries are a big deal - if they were, iphones wouldn't be selling as well as they are

being a cheaply made plastic piece of sh*t is higher up my list of pet peeves than missing SD slot and removable battery.

Lithium-ion batteries start degrading the moment they leave the factory. So buying a "new" battery doesn't always give you the perfect battery you got when you bought the device. Batteries from older devices come often from older stock. So degraded already.
HTC can always replace your battery when needed or you can do it yousrelf after warranty by lifting the screen and buy the parts on eBay.
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/everyday-tech/lithium-ion-battery.htm

Add to this HTC's reluctance to release all things necessary for S-Off and functional components like Wifi etc... and I'll pass. Hopefully their tune changes, but based on my past experience, they're not really dev friendly until they prove otherwise.

Maedhros said:
I am sad about no SD card since the Chinese version includes a micro sd slot.
However, battery isn't so much of a concern. If there is 1 flaw of the DHD its the Battery cover. I am willing to sacrifice not being able to remove the battery if it means a sturdier handset.
I don't think non-removable batteries are a big deal - if they were, iphones wouldn't be selling as well as they are
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That version of HTC One for China Mobile in precise coded as TD101 does have SDcard. However, the carrier opt it with current set of HTC imanging components (8MP) instead of new ultrapixel (4M) and will only put on sale starting July.

coupetastic-droid said:
Their is also a 64gb variant for the device. I'm not sure if you already knew.
But I do understand where you are coming from. I used to be in the same boat as you.
I've come to realize that not having an sdcard slot shouldn't stop me from having a great device. I will just have to adapt. I'm already familiar with otg, so that's the route I'm going to take with the one before I fully commint to cloud storage.
As for the battery, I never cared. I always take my charger with me and can charge anywhere.
But this is what I chose to do. I know a lot of people that can't just simply make that change. That's why I'm going for the one but I also believe sdcard slots should still have a spot in mobile devices. I myself don't think cloud storage can completely replace sdcard.
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Thanks for your comment. I imagine that if there is no better alternative that I will get use to it as well. I probably won't even care about these "issues" once I start using a phone that doesn't have these features for awhile.

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Add to this HTC's reluctance to release all things necessary for S-Off and functional components like Wifi etc... and I'll pass. Hopefully their tune changes, but based on my past experience, they're not really dev friendly until they prove otherwise.
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What? Surely they will never release (officially or not) s-off related things. Not really wanted to went thorough into this issue here..
Related about the Wifi source blame those suppliers who cares their patented techs, even several Nexus suffered from this. But I wouldn't defend them as usually late on releasing kernel sources.

By no means is htc one a perfect phone and I don't think htc intended it to be either. However having said that it's the best out there by far, ok there is S4 waiting to be launched. Yes S4 will have some software tweaks like eye scrolling(gimmick) but it will be Plastic, cheap nasty plastic,
Yes htc one would be better with sd card but i can live without that however plastic is a completely different story.

Samsung Galaxy SIII - Maximum storage 32GB + 64GB - 96GB total with removable battery
LG Optimus G - Maximum storage 16GB + 64GB - 80GB total (AT&T version) with no removable battery
HTC One - Maximum storage 64GB total with no removable battery
Xperia Z - Maximum storage 16GB + 32GB - 48GB total with no removable battery
If you're looking for a premium Android phone with more storage than the One and a removable battery you'll be limited to one premium phone. Lets face it, these four flagship phones are arguably the best available today. I think the arguments for an sdcard and removable battery are weak, especially given that some of the best phones out today have no removable battery and storage capacity is increasing every year. I don't think these are any reasons to completely disregard a phone.

If you don't adapt now you will mostly like have to down the road as it seems to be the trend now to make phones with non-removable batteries and no sd card slots. But I get what your saying I had the same thinking when I got the iPhone but after a couple hours I didn't really care anymore lol. So getting the ONE without those things don't bother me at all.
I'm ready to go back to android, I miss all the customization and for me at least the ONE seems perfect!

riz157 said:
By no means is htc one a perfect phone and I don't think htc intended it to be either. However having said that it's the best out there by far, ok there is S4 waiting to be launched. Yes S4 will have some software tweaks like eye scrolling(gimmick) but it will be Plastic, cheap nasty plastic, Yes htc one would be better with sd card but i can live without that however plastic is a completely different story.
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You managed to use the word "plastic" three times in two sentences. 90% of HTC's phones are plastic too including their last two flagships the One X/L and DNA/Butterfly. HTC's track record for build quality and QC is no better than Samsung's with the Sensation(s) and Teg3 One X being particularly spotty. The One's a beautiful phone; perhaps the most attractive HTC's ever built. But just because Samsung uses plastic doesn't mean their device's aren't as well built and durable as HTC's. The inner-assembly of both the SGS3 and N2 are magnesium which is more expensive than aluminum but lighter and stronger. If "cheap" was the end game they could have used aluminum or even plastic because no one sees the part anyway. In other words, plastic used to enhance manufacturing accuracy and provide access to a removable battery shouldn't be confused with quality. And by sacrificing a removable battery, HTC has design and material options Samsung doesn't. I totally get that some people prefer the look and feel of HTC’s devices. But the fact Samsung outsold HTC 10:1 in 2012 means either the entire world's mad or there's more to design and the perception of quality than the difference between one brand's "plastic" (or now, aluminum) and another's. And the reason you see so few metal-backed devices isn't cost; it's because aluminum and wireless signals don't mix. The jury's still out on how well voice, Wi-Fi, BT, GPS, and NFC work alone and in tandem on the One based on antenna placement HTC's using that's never been attempted before.
Here's what happens to last year's flagship when the pretty matte finish applied to the polycarbonate shell experiences any type of abrasion.
And here's what happened to the partially-metal (plastic over the antennas) black One S that HTC tried a new Micro Arc Oxidization coating on.
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Like I said, the One’s probably the best looking device that’s been announced so far this year. HTC’s done some bold things with its design (all-aluminum, 4MP vs. 13MP camera, 4.7” vs. 5” display, dual-front speakers) that have yet to be proven. Let’s celebrate the One’s success after an effective and trouble free launch and it’s been in people’s hands for a few weeks/months.

Note: I currently have a AT&T Galaxy S II, so I might sound a bit biased.
I've been going through this forum for the past couple days because my contract ends in April and I find the HTC One really attractive, at least in some aspects (only two capacitive buttons and software are the low points for me). When I see a large amount of people saying that "plastic is crap" or "who needs batteries and sd cards? they're useless" I kind of agree. But these people also fail to realize, in my opinion, how sturdy plastic is compared to other things. Glass is terrible, I don't think anyone needs to be told that (I'm looking at you, Apple). Aluminum seems nice, but I've had iPod Touches in the past that scratch really badly on the back just from normal use, to the point where I couldn't even stand to use them without a case anymore. (I doubt that the HTC One will do this, however--it doesn't seem to be the same glossy stuff Apple used.) Not to mention with aluminum, you still have to use windows for antennas, at least up until now. My Galaxy S II is the first phone I have used without a case or screen protector.. I have dropped it many times, on carpet, wood, even concrete. Other than a few scratches on the screen, it's pretty much fine. From what I've seen with the S III, it's pretty much the same.
As for SD card, I know many people who fill up their phones a lot. Up until recently, I only used about at max 8 gigs of the 16 gigs in my phone. Same goes for my Nexus 7. However, as time goes on, I've noticed that I've used more and more of the space. Now I only have 3 gigs free on my Nexus 7 and 5 on my S II. It's these type of situations that MicroSD cards are useful.
Finally, as for battery, most people say that they like it because it adds longevity to the device. My main reason for liking it is for hard resets. Sure, you can just hold down the power button for 30 seconds or so, but a battery pull is easier. On top of this, the power button on my Nexus 7 is a bit iffy at times. It can be hard to hold down the power button for 30 seconds when I have to hold it a certain way to make sure it works. It would be absolutely terrible if it stopped working all together.
TL;DR Plastic may seem cheap but is super sturdy; MicroSD cards are still useful and removable batteries can be used for battery pulls.

I think there no need more than 32 gb. And battery i have a s3 and never trade a battery. I like of android of HTC i espect no blootware
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Samsung Galaxy SIII - Maximum storage 32GB + 64GB - 96GB total with removable battery
LG Optimus G - Maximum storage 16GB + 64GB - 80GB total (AT&T version) with no removable battery
HTC One - Maximum storage 64GB total with no removable battery
Xperia Z - Maximum storage 16GB + 32GB - 48GB total with no removable battery
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No. The Xperia Z can take a 64GB memory card (you just have to reformat it) and the One is currently only available (in most territories) with 32GB; it will likely be several months before the 64GB version arrives, if it ever does.
That changes the arithmetic a little, and the arrival of the GS4 will likely change it again.

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You managed to use the word "plastic" three times in two sentences. 90% of HTC's phones are plastic too including their last two flagships the One X/L and DNA/Butterfly. HTC's track record for build quality and QC is no better than Samsung's with the Sensation(s) and Teg3 One X being particularly spotty. The One's a beautiful phone; perhaps the most attractive HTC's ever built. But just because Samsung uses plastic doesn't mean their device's aren't as well built and durable as HTC's. The inner-assembly of both the SGS3 and N2 are magnesium which is more expensive than aluminum but lighter and stronger. If "cheap" was the end game they could have used aluminum or even plastic because no one sees the part anyway. In other words, plastic used to enhance manufacturing accuracy and provide access to a removable battery shouldn't be confused with quality. And by sacrificing a removable battery, HTC has design and material options Samsung doesn't. I totally get that some people prefer the look and feel of HTC’s devices. But the fact Samsung outsold HTC 10:1 in 2012 means either the entire world's mad or there's more to design and the perception of quality than the difference between one brand's "plastic" (or now, aluminum) and another's. And the reason you see so few metal-backed devices isn't cost; it's because aluminum and wireless signals don't mix. The jury's still out on how well voice, Wi-Fi, BT, GPS, and NFC work alone and in tandem on the One based on antenna placement HTC's using that's never been attempted before.
Here's what happens to last year's flagship when the pretty matte finish applied to the polycarbonate shell experiences any type of abrasion.
And here's what happened to the partially-metal (plastic over the antennas) black One S that HTC tried a new Micro Arc Oxidization coating on.
Like I said, the One’s probably the best looking device that’s been announced so far this year. HTC’s done some bold things with its design (all-aluminum, 4MP vs. 13MP camera, 4.7” vs. 5” display, dual-front speakers) that have yet to be proven. Let’s celebrate the One’s success after an effective and trouble free launch and it’s been in people’s hands for a few weeks/months.
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Samsung are brilliant at marketing their product, miles ahead of htc. The funds at their disposal are phenomenal, poor htc just can't compete with them. They managed to convince consumers to buy their product, i was one of them who was convinced. So basically selling more doesn't necessarily equate to quality or better product.
Last year was definitely Samsung's year their products were better and more innovative in some ways then most other phones. However that doesn't distract from the fact the S3 note 2 were probably most fragile also and to boot do mark up very very easily( back front sides) purely due to poor choice of material used. I should know I've owned both and sold both within months due to the plastic crap finish. I just couldn't look at anymore after the release of iPhone 5.
Note 2 screen is the poorest I've seen last year biggest disappointment about the phone no matter how well it sold you just can't get over that fact. To be honest i was also swept away by the advertisement, brilliant marketing by Samsung and prefer big screens.
I also bought hox which is also plastic build but compare the design and durability of the two you know which would survive a fall and doesn't look plasticky :silly:.
Last year I went for ext memory, removable battery, poor design, fragile product and crap looking plastic = S3 note 2.
This year my preference is good solid build, quality, design, material, innovative software = HTC One.

htc one matches macbook pro design

I was reading a review of the HTC One (I know, I'm behind) and I came to the realization that the design of the HTC One nicely matches the design of my Retina Macbook Pro. It has the same white aluminum design, speaker grilles are the same type, and white accents match the ports and other white accents of the Macbook. Compare these:
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It makes me wonder why there isn't a very consistent design ethos with Apple's products, I feel like it would be really cool if they kept the same design cues.

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I was reading a review of the HTC One (I know, I'm behind) and I came to the realization that the design of the HTC One nicely matches the design of my Retina Macbook Pro. It has the same white aluminum design, speaker grilles are the same type, and white accents match the ports and other white accents of the Macbook. Compare these:
It makes me wonder why there isn't a very consistent design ethos with Apple's products, I feel like it would be really cool if they kept the same design cues.
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I think you're reading too much into it; both devices use aluminium and speakers have a grid of holes to allow for passage of sound.
There's nothing cool about "keeping design cues" across companies -- only leads to litigation and overall aggravation.

I think its pretty nice to be rocking all aluminum devices. Aluminum is just so nice looking. The only reason I would ever want a Macbook would be because of the build quality. I like my custom PC though, and don't really have the need to carry around a laptop. If I did though it would probably be a macbook. Either that or an expensive Asus since they also have some nice aluminum style laptops/ultrabooks for high prices. Maybe one day.

Dr Doppio said:
I think you're reading too much into it; both devices use aluminium and speakers have a grid of holes to allow for passage of sound.
There's nothing cool about "keeping design cues" across companies -- only leads to litigation and overall aggravation.
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I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. For that, I apologize. I meant that it would be cool if Apple kept design cues across its own entire line, not between separate companies' products.

xXxG0dzRAgexXx said:
I think its pretty nice to be rocking all aluminum devices. Aluminum is just so nice looking. The only reason I would ever want a Macbook would be because of the build quality. I like my custom PC though, and don't really have the need to carry around a laptop. If I did though it would probably be a macbook. Either that or an expensive Asus since they also have some nice aluminum style laptops/ultrabooks for high prices. Maybe one day.
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The problem I have with ASUS laptops is that their touchpads were always so finicky. Although, I really do want one of their touchscreen ultrabooks. My rMBP is pretty good in terms of performance and battery life, plus the screen is downright gorgeous.

I have been an iphone user since 3gs. Had all models except the iphone 5 which was a great dissapointment. I expected a radikal design change and got...meh. Design like the HTC One was more or less what I expected from iphone 5 but never got. And also the fact that IOS has looked the same since my 3gs back in 2009 made me switch to Android.
This was what I was expecting from iphone5: http://www.inrumor.com/in/technology/iphone-5-design-by-patrick-eckert-brilliant-concept/
Doesnt matter now, HTC One looks great. Cant wait to get it . Dont really know what I meant by above rambling except that I agrees that it looks like macbook pro design

paravorheim said:
I was reading a review of the HTC One (I know, I'm behind) and I came to the realization
that the design of the HTC One nicely matches the design of my Retina Macbook Pro.
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Another Apple product design ...which directly references (rips off) most of Dieter Rams' designs for Braun in the 1960's
But Apple will most probably still try to sue HTC

compact_bijou said:
Another Apple product design ...which directly references (rips off) most of Dieter Rams' designs for Braun in the 1960's
But Apple will most probably still try to sue HTC
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Don't think apple will sue HTC they made a deal or something

paravorheim said:
I was reading a review of the HTC One (I know, I'm behind) and I came to the realization that the design of the HTC One nicely matches the design of my Retina Macbook Pro. It has the same white aluminum design, speaker grilles are the same type, and white accents match the ports and other white accents of the Macbook.
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Oh dear. This means Apple might sue HTC for copying if the HTC One is successful.

AW: htc one matches macbook pro design
Dosen't Apple sue every successful competitor - irrespective of the prospects?
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This was the first thing i thought to myself when i first saw the One. It looks like a Mac. Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that HTC copied anything; i'm saying that the One is one fine ass device, just like a Mac. I bet Jony Ive is pulling the hair he has left on his head, and screaming "THIS! This is beautiful! This should be an iPhone!", because this could be an iPhone. It's currently the best looking piece of tech out there.

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Dosen't Apple sue every successful competitor - irrespective of the prospects?
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I believe that Apple was sue-happy when Jobs was in power, but Tim Cook is pretty against it. It doesn't seem like the HTC One really infringes on Apple design patents, but I'm not an IP lawyer, so...

LordManhattan said:
This was the first thing i thought to myself when i first saw the One. It looks like a Mac. Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that HTC copied anything; i'm saying that the One is one fine ass device, just like a Mac. I bet Jony Ive is pulling the hair he has left on his head, and screaming "THIS! This is beautiful! This should be an iPhone!", because this could be an iPhone. It's currently the best looking piece of tech out there.
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I like how it tapers just like the macbook pros. Not as much as the Air (cause that would just feel weird in your hand) but tapering to a thinner edge. It provides that super-thin illusion. But it's just that, an illusion. Which kind of pisses me off. Looking at other designs, it seems that HTC definitely could have engineered a thinner phone, but left an extra couple of mm's. Not that it truly matters, but it's those kinds of things that people like to compare in the real world.

paravorheim said:
I like how it tapers just like the macbook pros. Not as much as the Air (cause that would just feel weird in your hand) but tapering to a thinner edge. It provides that super-thin illusion. But it's just that, an illusion. Which kind of pisses me off. Looking at other designs, it seems that HTC definitely could have engineered a thinner phone, but left an extra couple of mm's. Not that it truly matters, but it's those kinds of things that people like to compare in the real world.
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Yes, you're totally right. It LOOKS thinner than most phones out there, but its actually "fatter". It's only 4mm at the edges, so that's the reason.
The iPhone 5 is 7.5(?)mm thin, but the One looks as thin. The S4 is under 8mm thick, but it looks kinda chubby compared to the One. Nexus 4 is 8.5mm or something, but it looks like a freaking brick. Now, 9.3mm isn't thick at all, but even a thinner device can look like a brick. Xperia Z is 7.7mm, looks fatter than the One too.
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glumardok said:
Dosen't Apple sue every successful competitor - irrespective of the prospects?
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First thing Steve Jobs did when he got through the pearly gates was Sue God for claiming to have invented the apple.

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