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Yes, i am really frustrated.....
Motorola still has not learnt the lesson.......
being a loyal and long android user, i always preferred for latest os on my devices .....
being an European android user i always feel ditched with motorola.....
locked bootloader with milestone and worst support from moto.....
and now Asus is able to give custom 3.1 to transfomer users and still Euro xoom owners has no luck to see 3.1 on our stock android xoom.....
how many years do moto need to provide the update where one XDA dev can do it in 1 day???
WTF?
only where i am happy is that we have the support of this greatest community but still ignored and ditched my Moto always.......
i can get 3.1 by unlocking xoom and with support of awesome XDA but moto voids the warranty and they don't want to provide the update themselves....so what is it?
when will Moto learn the lesson or do they deliberately ignore Non-US area?
*if anyone feel that my frustration is meaningless and moto is great, always welcome to delete this thread....sorry and thank you
chowdarygm said:
Yes, i am really frustrated.....
Motorola still has not learnt the lesson.......
being a loyal and long android user, i always preferred for latest os on my devices .....
being an European android user i always feel ditched with motorola.....
locked bootloader with milestone and worst support from moto.....
and now Asus is able to give custom 3.1 to transfomer users and still Euro xoom owners has no luck to see 3.1 on our stock android xoom.....
how many years do moto need to provide the update where one XDA dev can do it in 1 day???
WTF?
only where i am happy is that we have the support of this greatest community but still ignored and ditched my Moto always.......
i can get 3.1 by unlocking xoom and with support of awesome XDA but moto voids the warranty and they don't want to provide the update themselves....so what is it?
when will Moto learn the lesson or do they deliberately ignore Non-US area?
*if anyone feel that my frustration is meaningless and moto is great, always welcome to delete this thread....sorry and thank you
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I don't have MOTO but 4 of my friends do I can see the frustration even in the atrix users due to being locked up tight I'm sure many devs feel the same in there forum .
That's why I took my frustrations to the company direct HTC but I know thousands have to MOTO with no response it seems people say they will u lock end quart 4 this year maybe .. I think you can try your best to get them to do something I support anyone who wishes to make these huge companies see the consumer is what is most important ..
Xda is amazing I've been using 2.3.3 or a ginger based rom for a while people on HTC fb still asking for ota updates for the EVO 4g ..
So either keep on going after MOTO or hope the devs can make something happen..
Oh and nothing will happen till you get them to really hear your voice best of luck ..
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I'm still on the fence with regards to buying a tablet, but the lack of European support from Motorola isn't doing them any favours as far as my decision is concerned.
The lack of support for euro xoom is pathetic, this is my first Motorola for years and I would not have brought it if I had realised this was the situation.
madpete said:
The lack of support for euro xoom is pathetic, this is my first Motorola for years and I would not have brought it if I had realised this was the situation.
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while buying this, i convinced my wife that moto will have better support than acer or Asus.... but i am wrong now....moto is the worst i have ever used...
chowdarygm said:
while buying this, i convinced my wife that moto will have better support than acer or Asus.... but i am wrong now....moto is the worst i have ever used...
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Try taking all this that you all dislike and send it all to MOTO Idk that's what i did to start with HTC it pissed me off we pay so much pay monthly fees and they do what give us no feedback as to why there system of updates is horrible
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My situation:
Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
Still no UK price or confirmed spec, desperately waiting for some news on this. Have a feeling that it's going to be too expensive but who knows?
Motorola Xoom
Love the build quality and that's got my interest, not sure that I'll be satisfied with the display. There appears to be limited Euro support (bad Motorola!) and not so much activity in the dev section for Euro Xooms. Quite expensive.
Asus Transformer
Ex TF owner due to what I consider poor build quality, but I still haven't dismissed buying another so long as I can get a good one. Good spec, decent price in comparison. Asus appear to be quite supportive with updates, dev section looks quite active.
What to do!
UKseagull said:
My situation:
Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
Still no UK price or confirmed spec, desperately waiting for some news on this. Have a feeling that it's going to be too expensive but who knows?
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Galaxt tab 10.1v in stocks in germany for 500 euros.....200 euro cheaper than xoom
I think the 10.1v is the older version with the 8 megapixel camera, thanks for the link though.
For European, choose Samsung... or HTC. And of course ASUS
chowdarygm said:
Yes, i am really frustrated.....
Motorola still has not learnt the lesson.......
being a loyal and long android user, i always preferred for latest os on my devices .....
being an European android user i always feel ditched with motorola.....
locked bootloader with milestone and worst support from moto.....
and now Asus is able to give custom 3.1 to transfomer users and still Euro xoom owners has no luck to see 3.1 on our stock android xoom.....
how many years do moto need to provide the update where one XDA dev can do it in 1 day???
WTF?
only where i am happy is that we have the support of this greatest community but still ignored and ditched my Moto always.......
i can get 3.1 by unlocking xoom and with support of awesome XDA but moto voids the warranty and they don't want to provide the update themselves....so what is it?
when will Moto learn the lesson or do they deliberately ignore Non-US area?
*if anyone feel that my frustration is meaningless and moto is great, always welcome to delete this thread....sorry and thank you
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It is kind of odd bc Samsung seemed to be the opposite when I was with them.
The update has only been available in the states for 5 minutes, so what's the big deal?
Also as the stock Android device, isn't Google responsible for the Xoom updates, not Moto?
It's the same process of all manufacturers to roll out updates by region.
It could be a lot worse, take Samsung for example, it took them about 7 months just to roll out Froyo to their Galaxy S handsets, then another 6 months for Gingerbread.
My European HTC Desire is still using Froyo
Philio25 said:
The update has only been available in the states for 5 minutes, so what's the big deal?
Also as the stock Android device, isn't Google responsible for the Xoom updates, not Moto?
It's the same process of all manufacturers to roll out updates by region.
It could be a lot worse, take Samsung for example, it took them about 7 months just to roll out Froyo to their Galaxy S handsets, then another 6 months for Gingerbread.
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to everyone.... one thing i don't understand here....
motorola talk about difference in hardware and software based of regions bla bla bla bla.... how the hell Apple is able to rollout anything for every apple device at once.....i dont understand the point here.......can anyone explain me?
i read on moto forums that its google's fault in not releasing 3.1 for euro xoom and moto has not to be blamed!!!!!!!!! WTH
how is samsung and acer are able to already customise it and release it???
stupid reasons ....
i am starting to loose my patience now seeing how moto is treating and telling meaningless reasons....
Philio25 said:
The update has only been available in the states for 5 minutes, so what's the big deal?
Also as the stock Android device, isn't Google responsible for the Xoom updates, not Moto?
It's the same process of all manufacturers to roll out updates by region.
It could be a lot worse, take Samsung for example, it took them about 7 months just to roll out Froyo to their Galaxy S handsets, then another 6 months for Gingerbread.
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The 3G US Xoom update has been out for 2 weeks now. The big deal is the update includes fixes for long lists of bugs for 3.01, which is not the most stable OS to start with. I don’t want my Xoom running on older and buggier software for any length of time more than necessary.
As a customer, I don’t care who is responsible for the update. I expect my device to be update in a timely manner like IOS/Windows desktop. If Motorola/Google cannot deliver on this, than I’ll simply choose a different manufacture or operating system for my next device.
Those updates are for new operating system, like you said Eclair and Gingerbread. We are talking about an update within Honeycomb, so its not a fair comparison.
Bottom line, I'm also frustrated with no 3.1 update outside of US, and no time line on when we will get it.
Did Motorola say that?
You bought the XOOM from Motorola, so no matter what... Motorola is responsible for the update!
chowdarygm said:
to everyone.... one thing i don't understand here....
motorola talk about difference in hardware and software based of regions bla bla bla bla.... how the hell Apple is able to rollout anything for every apple device at once.....i dont understand the point here.......can anyone explain me?
i read on moto forums that its google's fault in not releasing 3.1 for euro xoom and moto has not to be blamed!!!!!!!!! WTH
how is samsung and acer are able to already customise it and release it???
stupid reasons ....
i am starting to loose my patience now seeing how moto is treating and telling meaningless reasons....
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Xoom in Europe is different, its GSM not CDMA like the US.
The iPhone argument does not hold water either. The Verizon iPhone doesn't have 4.3 which has been out for months, the difference between the two phones is the same as the difference between US and non US, the radio.
FtL1776 said:
Xoom in Europe is different, its GSM not CDMA like the US.
The iPhone argument does not hold water either. The Verizon iPhone doesn't have 4.3 which has been out for months, the difference between the two phones is the same as the difference between US and non US, the radio.
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if it is only the radio, is it that difficult to change those lines of code and and send the update? how was it achieved very simply by our own devs in a day without access to advanced tools........
sorry guys, i am so frustrated now coz, my SGS2 is able to play 720p and 1080p butter smooth where as i am struggling to do basic things with moto 700 euro brick .....
Just like Samsung is horrible with updates in the U.S.
I'm in Canada so Motorola is horrible with updates as expected.
I guess short Moto's stock and become rich.
I'm a french user, got a Xoom Wifi only (MZ604), and i'm also hoping for a 3.1 update soon...
Wanna try to flash US stock image, but Motorola didn't release stock images for EU users, so i wont be able to relock it... and in case of problem, i'll got a brick without these images...
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I've just made a petition to ask Motorola Inc. to make the Moto X available in Europe.
So if anyone is interested in this please feel free to sign it and to pass the word. Who knows what the response will be.
Here's the link : https://www.change.org/petitions/mo...nd-the-customization-tool-available-in-europe
mailman76 said:
I've just made a petition to ask Motorola Inc. to make the Moto X available in Europe.
So if anyone is interested in this please feel free to sign it and to pass the word. Who knows what the response will be.
Here's the link : https://www.change.org/petitions/mo...nd-the-customization-tool-available-in-europe
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Signed it just now. Hopefully we can get some more people to sign it. I think currently nobody knows about this petition.
Signed.
I live in the UK and it's such a shame that the Moto X not released here. The Moto G just does not cut it. I do not want a budget phone that lacks all the exclusive features that make the Moto X so unique.
I think it's wishful thinking to expect Motorola to respond to this though. At best, we will receive some generic crap like "We are working on exciting new products outside the US market".
Signed
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I'm searching for many forum and blog official or non official but no one confirm for sure moto g getting 4.4.4 update. But only officially announced update of 4.4.3. Is Google forgetting this device for ever? if this happen than it is bad because when we purchased it, the only reason for it is a Google company.
Okay, if Google run away, I'm going for cm11 for sure. I love to be updated.
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Hrazib, Don't worry at all, i think Moto G and also other motorola phones will continue to get the major updates. No need to panic Well you know i am very impatient so i am already on 4.4.4 But don't worry the official update will come soon!
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Considering that google will most likely unveil 4.5 in two days at their I/O conference - we might just jump ship straight to 4.5, skipping 4.4.4.
guess we'll find out soon enough
Calm freakin' down. We have 4.4.3!!!
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We do not need a 4.4.4 update....
Most OEM's would skip this update and jump to the 4.5 Lollipop
Although I wouldn't be surprised if Motorola releases it on a later date
For solving all doubts join here:- https://www.facebook.com/groups/MotoGOOGLE/
No need to make new thread every rumour etc. Not many devices have even 4.2.2 so let's be happy and wait calmly what comes. :tired:
Bazilli said:
No need to make new thread every rumour etc. Not many devices have even 4.2.2 so let's be happy and wait calmly what comes. :tired:
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^ and the fact that we still are just behind the nexus devices to receive updates. So please wait before posting a new thread.....
People are SO impatient these days, geeeeez…
It's not a major update. Please have patience, your moto device will be updated.
Falcon G said:
We do not need a 4.4.4 update....
Most OEM's would skip this update and jump to the 4.5 Lollipop
Although I wouldn't be surprised if Motorola releases it on a later date
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4.4.4 is a serious security update. Motorola is certainly pushing the update through the channels now. It is less than 3mb on the Nexus devices so it is a very small update. It has only been out a few days. Motorola had lots of time to prepare for 4.4.3. That is why it was pushed so quick.
Use more exclamation marks please. Also make a new discussion thread every time you get mad too.
Go scrub your lolindian or lolbr with CM11 and don't bother us with useless and meaningless threads.
kkthxbb
bozzykid said:
4.4.4 is a serious security update. Motorola is certainly pushing the update through the channels now. It is less than 3mb on the Nexus devices so it is a very small update. It has only been out a few days. Motorola had lots of time to prepare for 4.4.3. That is why it was pushed so quick.
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Even if it was.....
Samsung don't even update their galaxy smart phones as Motorola does to its budget phones. We should wait instead of creating new threads. If it was so important it should have posted in the host of general threads out there
Come on man, this device even not get a year old yet.. So relaxe and waiting hopely
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huh Motorola is no longer a Google company, it was sold to Lenovo
Kwen said:
huh Motorola is no longer a Google company, it was sold to Lenovo
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Motorola isn't a Google company anymore, but the moto g will always be a Google phone, it is a gpe device for some bad word's sake.
Sent from my XT1033 using Tapatalk
vlt96 said:
Motorola isn't a Google company anymore, but the moto g will always be a Google phone, it is a gpe device for some bad word's sake.
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Motorola Mobility is still a Google company. Lenovo does not control Motorola Mobility yet.
Ok, I love my Moto Maxx. I knew I will get limited support, limited developers support, even compared to its less capable cousin Moto X. But I didn't expect this much suffering.
People are trying to unlock bootloader, update, root, and months after months of struggles and hard work from our beloved contributing developers.
For the US Verizon customers, it was the bootload and root, then after months of trying they got it and it was the update they were promised by the end of 2014 which just arrived, then the cycle starts over.
For us, the international Moto Maxx users, we gambled big, the phone is only known in a few countries with no real developer support but it was (as I said before) a SuperPhone. Unlocking bootload and rooting for us wasn't that hard, but here we are waiting and waiting for the lollipop update (I'm still on 4.4.4) and for the work corporate apps I am using I cannot root or use CM sadly.
I hereby declare the Droid franchise developer and power users unfriendly. I would like to extend this to any phone that is not worldwide mainstream. I will think a million times before doing this to myself again, despite the battery and superior user experience.
My company offered to buy me an iphone 6 (lol) or a Samsung galaxy s6 or s6 edge and I said no and jumped through hoops to get approval to use my Moto Maxx. I regret this completely. The first chance I will get, I will revisit this, I might get lucky and get them to get me the new international version of Moto X 2015.
So yes, this is an open letter to Motorola and Verizon. This is a whiny complainy angry thread and you can all express your feelings about this here.
I am keeping an open mind and still giving Motorola another chance. After all they have tried hard to look at our user experience pain points and provide good solutions for it.
So I hope I have learned my lesson. I hope I don't fall for this trap again. Even if this means I lose touchless controls, assist, twist to camera and active display which became part of my daily routine.
What do you guys think? am I over reacting?
Kiwironic said:
Ok, I love my Moto Maxx. I knew I will get limited support, limited developers support, even compared to its less capable cousin Moto X. But I didn't expect this much suffering.
People are trying to unlock bootloader, update, root, and months after months of struggles and hard work from our beloved contributing developers.
For the US Verizon customers, it was the bootload and root, then after months of trying they got it and it was the update they were promised by the end of 2014 which just arrived, then the cycle starts over.
For us, the international Moto Maxx users, we gambled big, the phone is only known in a few countries with no real developer support but it was (as I said before) a SuperPhone. Unlocking bootload and rooting for us wasn't that hard, but here we are waiting and waiting for the lollipop update (I'm still on 4.4.4) and for the work corporate apps I am using I cannot root or use CM sadly.
I hereby declare the Droid franchise developer and power users unfriendly. I would like to extend this to any phone that is not worldwide mainstream. I will think a million times before doing this to myself again, despite the battery and superior user experience.
My company offered to buy me an iphone 6 (lol) or a Samsung galaxy s6 or s6 edge and I said no and jumped through hoops to get approval to use my Moto Maxx. I regret this completely. The first chance I will get, I will revisit this, I might get lucky and get them to get me the new international version of Moto X 2015.
So yes, this is an open letter to Motorola and Verizon. This is a whiny complainy angry thread and you can all express your feelings about this here.
I am keeping an open mind and still giving Motorola another chance. After all they have tried hard to look at our user experience pain points and provide good solutions for it.
So I hope I have learned my lesson. I hope I don't fall for this trap again. Even if this means I lose touchless controls, assist, twist to camera and active display which became part of my daily routine.
What do you guys think? am I over reacting?
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Every variant of this phone can be updated to Lollipop. Seems like your problem is your employer since the Maxx has an unlockable bootloader and CyanogenMod. Yeah the support for these devices has been horrible but oh well.
Cobra04 said:
Every variant of this phone can be updated to Lollipop. Seems like your problem is your employer since the Maxx has an unlockable bootloader and CyanogenMod. Yeah the support for these devices has been horrible but oh well.
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I would have considered CM if it had support for touchless controls, assist, twist to camera and active display. These are important to me, and some of the reason I went for the Moto Maxx. What you are saying is, I should give up most of the features I got this phone for just to get lollipop??? How convenient is that?
Motorola nor Verizon have anything to do with CM, my pain points are not coming from CM but from Motorola.
Kiwironic said:
Ok, I love my Moto Maxx. I knew I will get limited support, limited developers support, even compared to its less capable cousin Moto X. But I didn't expect this much suffering.
People are trying to unlock bootloader, update, root, and months after months of struggles and hard work from our beloved contributing developers.
For the US Verizon customers, it was the bootload and root, then after months of trying they got it and it was the update they were promised by the end of 2014 which just arrived, then the cycle starts over.
For us, the international Moto Maxx users, we gambled big, the phone is only known in a few countries with no real developer support but it was (as I said before) a SuperPhone. Unlocking bootload and rooting for us wasn't that hard, but here we are waiting and waiting for the lollipop update (I'm still on 4.4.4) and for the work corporate apps I am using I cannot root or use CM sadly.
I hereby declare the Droid franchise developer and power users unfriendly. I would like to extend this to any phone that is not worldwide mainstream. I will think a million times before doing this to myself again, despite the battery and superior user experience.
My company offered to buy me an iphone 6 (lol) or a Samsung galaxy s6 or s6 edge and I said no and jumped through hoops to get approval to use my Moto Maxx. I regret this completely. The first chance I will get, I will revisit this, I might get lucky and get them to get me the new international version of Moto X 2015.
So yes, this is an open letter to Motorola and Verizon. This is a whiny complainy angry thread and you can all express your feelings about this here.
I am keeping an open mind and still giving Motorola another chance. After all they have tried hard to look at our user experience pain points and provide good solutions for it.
So I hope I have learned my lesson. I hope I don't fall for this trap again. Even if this means I lose touchless controls, assist, twist to camera and active display which became part of my daily routine.
What do you guys think? am I over reacting?
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You can't really call yourself a power user and gloss over the fact you could have flashed Lollipop many months ago. It doesn't even have to be CM.
I don't get why your phone is still on 4.4.4. I'm running stock 5.0.2 with all the features that you like
Yawn.
I'm not sure why this is a surprise. The DX, released 5 years ago, and the next generations are on the same boat.
IMO, rooting and custom ROMs is not the same as it used to be as Android has taken so many steps forward.
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Moto MAXX XT1225 got stock Lollipop back in March, soon after Moto Turbo XT1225 (same device, same FCC ID) launched with Lollipop in India. 5.0.2.
I ran stock 5.0.2 for months on my Puerto Rico Moto Maxx, and on my Mexico Moto Maxx.
It was the Droid Turbo XT1254 stuck on 4.4.4, not the XT1225.
The stock 5.0.2 files are in the development section, if you want to flash them. For Brazil, Mexico and India.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3063470
Claro in Puerto Rico (and I think Chile, also) had a falling out with Motorola, so the Puerto Rico/Chile Moto Maxx never got an official OTA to 5.0.2. But if you have Puerto Rico XT1225, you just flash your phone to another country and get 5.0.2. Or flash the 5.0.2 image of your choice (Brazil, Mexico, India).
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Stock 5.1 is coming for the XT1225, but custom ROM 5.1.1 has been here for months. There's two custom 5.1.1 ROMs available -- one is AOSP, not CM based. So development support is here.
AOSP:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3108708
CM 12.1:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3060089
We also have cool boot logos and animations like these:
BOOT ANIMATION
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3141711
BOOT LOGO
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3065141
(Many more, just an example of each.)
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However, you say you can't run custom ROM, that you have to stay stock. Therefore, why have you not flashed stock 5.0.2 which has been available for the XT1225 since March?
I care less about CM for Quark but i am surprised to see that nobody released a stock based rom for our phones yet.
Semseddin said:
I care less about CM for Quark but i am surprised to see that nobody released a stock based rom for our phones yet.
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There's an AOSP one. I know, not exactly the same as "stock". But we do have two completely different custom 5.1.1 ROMs.
You can also run stock 5.0.2, root and run xposed/Gravity Box and get as few or as many custom ROM features you want... While remaining on stock.
I would be very fine if someone provided us a custom rom based on stock brazil build of maxx, just something like computerfreak provided to Turbo users. It is funny that what i wanted for my phone is already available for the bootloader locked variant and missing from our bootloader free variant. This very well explains the popularity of the device within people is the key to its development potencial.
edit : even opened a request thread for it but nobody gave a f. , even our maxx users, leave alone the uninterested developers.
i think we should collect 450$ and buy juacos's maxx to a developer who would be happily developing good stuff for us.
i totally agree, last year i got the droid maxx and it had little development but i thought that the moto maxx being released worldwide would have a lot of support, i really love motorola, but i dont like this, its like having a lamborgini that only you can drive, theres no much development, i regret trading my oneplus one, it even had better battery than my moto maxx, and worse camera but under same usage my battery lasted more than moto maxx and the speakers were louder, this year i think i will buy a moto x or the new oneplus two, its real sad to write this but its the truth. no more moto maxx or droid maxx for me.
So I change to Mexican rom to be able to get 5.0.2 and then what? I don't force upgrades unless I see a clear upgrade path. If then Motorola releases an 5.1 OTA upgrade from 4.4.4 for PR and not Mexico, then I am screwed. I don't take the downgrading risk.
Being a power user doesn't mean I go foolishly and pick the only upgrade path and not worry about the future. I don't gamble with my devices.
Anyway, yesterday Motorola has announced 5.0.2 for PR among many other versions. I will post the updates in this thread
International Moto Maxx 5.1 official update (Non Droid Turbo)
Kiwironic said:
So I change to Mexican rom to be able to get 5.0.2 and then what? I don't force upgrades unless I see a clear upgrade path. If then Motorola releases an 5.1 OTA upgrade from 4.4.4 for PR and not Mexico, then I am screwed. I don't take the downgrading risk.
Being a power user doesn't mean I go foolishly and pick the only upgrade path and not worry about the future. I don't gamble with my devices.
Anyway, yesterday Motorola has announced 5.0.2 for PR among many other versions. I will post the updates in this thread
International Moto Maxx 5.1 official update (Non Droid Turbo)
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Power users and developers absolutely gamble with their devices. What it really comes down to is not about being power user nor developer friendly, but instead you want frequent and fast updates. The only device that will give you that is a Nexus and at this time you can have that on Verizon too.
Your stance defies everything an unlocked bootloader stands for.
Kiwironic said:
So I change to Mexican rom to be able to get 5.0.2 and then what? I don't force upgrades unless I see a clear upgrade path. If then Motorola releases an 5.1 OTA upgrade from 4.4.4 for PR and not Mexico, then I am screwed. I don't take the downgrading risk.
Being a power user doesn't mean I go foolishly and pick the only upgrade path and not worry about the future. I don't gamble with my devices.
Anyway, yesterday Motorola has announced 5.0.2 for PR among many other versions. I will post the updates in this thread
International Moto Maxx 5.1 official update (Non Droid Turbo)
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As Mexico, Brazil and India factory unlocked phones got 5.0.2 first, I imagine they will get 5.1 first.
Under no scenario does Claro Puerto Rico phones get 5.1 and factory unlocked XT1225 (Mexico, Brazil, India) does not.
You say Motorola has just announced 5.0.2 for Puerto Rico Claro. Well, this is mid July. Factory unlocked has had it since March, and will soon get 5.1 stock.
You sound a little silly saying if you flash the XT1225 to another country image or another Android version, you can't flash back if you want. Many people have flashed to 5.0.2 to custom ROM 5.1 and back to 4.4.4 on the XT 1225. One guy -- @Fulbring -- said he's done it at least 5 times... See this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=61498706
Many flashed to India, then to Brazil, then to Mexico to see difference (if any) in performance. You can also downgrade back to 4.4.4.
I flashed my Puerto Rico Moto Maxx 4.4.4 to India 5.0.2 and then to CM 12.1 Lollipop 5.1. I could easily flash it back to Claro Puerto Rico 4.4.4, if I wanted.
There's instructions. You just have to read. @Jaocagomez wrote an excellent thread about all this. See here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3074724
The key is having an unlocked bootloader. Where people have gotten into trouble is trying to flash update with locked bootloader.
I guess you guys are really happy with what you got. I expressed my opinion and not going to change it to please you.
I think Motorola can do better than this, and I think we deserve better than this. I will leave you guys to give me more lessons about how to be a power user.
Kiwironic said:
I guess you guys are really happy with what you got. I expressed my opinion and not going to change it to please you.
I think Motorola can do better than this, and I think we deserve better than this. I will leave you guys to give me more lessons about how to be a power user.
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I'm not disagreeing that Motorola dropped the ball on the XT1225 with a narrow release, instead of a world wide release that would have included Europe, all of Asia, and Canada. It is a super phone, and Motorola made people jump through hoops to get it.
It should have been as widely released as the Moto X, or even better this is the phone Motorola should have released as the Moto X.
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But still running 4.4.4 on the XT1225 is your fault, not Motorola. This phone -- the XT1225 -- has had stock 5.0.2 since March on all factory unlocked phones and many Brazil and Mexico carriers and you refuse to flash it on your XT1225.
There's clear instructions on how to do it. Instead you are waiting for a specific carrier OTA, when you do not need to do so.
The XT1225 is the same device across all regions, all countries. The India Moto Turbo XT1225 IDENTICAL in every way to the Latin America Moto Maxx XT2225.
Many, many people in these threads have upgraded, downgraded 4.4.4 to 5.02 and back again, flashed images from different countries, to prove it's not hard -- since our bootloader can be unlocked. The Droid Turbo XT1254 owners WISH they had our advantage!
The only reason I did not change region as I mentioned before is to be sure about a good upgrade path. However, since all updates indicates that BR has the highest chance for 5.1 update, then I have just flashed stock BR. People report that they are able to upgrade then downgrade, while others report bricked on downgrade. A smart user knows that gpt doesn't like being downgraded, and so I will not try this path.
I don't want just to update to lollipop, first of all I do not want to lose themoto features I already have, flashing custom or CM will not help, as it doesn't support the stock moto features. 5.0.2 is buggy and less secure and I do not want to flash it unless I have evidence 5.1 is around the corner. (even before having corporate apps)
Here I am now with BR stock, OTA updates are not available, I think I will have to flash the OTA manually. Let's see how that goes.
Now, since I am being accused of being "unreasonable", the question here is, are you satisfied with how Motorola is handling the device??? You can answer this question (at least to yourself) or you can just blame things on me and lecture me on how to be a power user because you know all about it
Up to you.
Thanks to all of you who objectively expressed your opinion without the bullying attitude some adopt.
I've had just about every Samsung phone since the galaxy S2 and note 1. I've also had the old razor maxx by Motorola and it was horrible. I have the droid turbo un rooted and I have to say it's been the best phone I've ever had. It's fast, great battery, awesome features. I don't care to root anymore because I personally don't see an advantage to it. Please don't argue with me, it's just my point of view for me. I love LP so far. And since the camera update this phone to me is flawless. I think you may be over reacting a bit OP.
@MaxX folks around the world, since we didn't pay for root or bl unlock, maybe we could collect some money and donate a mint condition moto maxx device to a developer who would develop rom / kernel support for his & our devices.. We could have had the faux123 kernel, imagine that with 3900mah battery.
http://www.computerworld.com/articl...d-upgrade-report-card-marshmallow.html?page=2
A BIG FAT "F"
Length of time for upgrade to reach current flagship: 65 days (51.6/60 points)
Length of time for upgrade to reach previous-gen flagship: 74 days for the unlocked model -- though with all U.S. carrier models abandoned (0/30 points)
Communication: Poor (0/10 points)
An Android manufacturer has never fallen as fast and hard as what we've seen with Motorola these past couple years. In a matter of months, Moto went from being the shining example of what an Android device-maker should be to being a bitter disappointment Android fans won't soon forgive. (So much for that "nothing will change" transition in ownership, right?)
Following last year's 65% "D" grade for Android upgrades, the Lenovo-owned Motorola gets a big fat embarrassing "F" for the mess it made of this year's Marshmallow rollout. While it did do a reasonably decent (though nowhere near the standard it had maintained in the past) job at getting Android 6.0 out to its current and previous-gen flagships, it did so with one major asterisk: the outright abandonment of all U.S. carrier models of its barely-one-year-old 2014 device.
Worse yet, Motorola stayed insultingly silent on the subject, without so much as an explanation -- let alone any sort of attempt to make things right with customers who had bought into its "ongoing reliable upgrades" message. It was a slap in the face to those who trusted the company, and even if Motorola recovers and manages to do decently well moving forward, it's an incident smartphone shoppers would be wise to remember.
They were excellent when it came to 2013 devices...but those were before the Lenovo takeover if I remember correctly
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In the past days the MOTO always says the Verzion Carrier test so long a time,just like droid1/2/3/4 and xt910/926/1030 and so on..
Now its becoming a department of lenovo, i dont think there are still enough development guys who can work with Verzion ones...
So i doubt the 6.0 would finally come with a final-final day or never come out
I really think we won't see it, like the Moto X Play 2014. We'll just get an out-of-the-blue message saying "SORRY". My next phone will be a Nexus, i'm done with Motonovo
Yep, l thinking about a Nexus myself, and see what Project Fi is all about. Sick of Verizon also.
Yea i'm on the same boat as you guys. Nexus may be my next phone.
im still not ready to leave my turbo, i dont need their updates. we have our own right here.
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In the past days the MOTO always says the Verzion Carrier test so long a time,just like droid1/2/3/4 and xt910/926/1030 and so on..
Now its becoming a department of lenovo, i dont think there are still enough development guys who can work with Verzion ones...
So i doubt the 6.0 would finally come with a final-final day or never come out
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In some cases it may be VZW holding things up...but the 2013 Droids received their updates faster than any phones outside of the Nexus devices...
That was in the Google days, and when Moto first started using the near Vanilla builds of Android...
They are still as close to Vanilla as you can get, but what has changed is Lenovo...
So you do the math
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In some cases it may be VZW holding things up...but the 2013 Droids received their updates faster than any phones outside of the Nexus devices...
That was in the Google days, and when Moto first started using the near Vanilla builds of Android...
They are still as close to Vanilla as you can get, but what has changed is Lenovo...
So you do the math
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i think the lenovo has make every dev-guys to run their VIBE rom project，their 2014 device named k3note has already update to mm。
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I think people need to realize it's not motos fault! Talk to Verizon about your updates because Verizon does in fact add their bloat apps which in turn takes longer. Google has in fact release the source code for mm. Just disappoints me to see people hating on moto over something they have little to no control over.
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alex_is_the_1 said:
I think people need to realize it's not motos fault! Talk to Verizon about your updates because Verizon does in fact add their bloat apps which in turn takes longer. Google has in fact release the source code for mm. Just disappoints me to see people hating on moto over something they have little to no control over.
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No, both are equally at fault. If it were only on Verizon then the non Turbo branded quark devices would already be updated.
alex_is_the_1 said:
I think people need to realize it's not motos fault! Talk to Verizon about your updates because Verizon does in fact add their bloat apps which in turn takes longer. Google has in fact release the source code for mm. Just disappoints me to see people hating on moto over something they have little to no control over.
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VZW had no problem pushing the updates for the 2013 Droids...they were the first non-nexus phones to get updates...
Wanna know what the difference was? Those phones were made when Google owned Motorola...our phones are under the control of Lenovo...
I have no love for VZW...and while they may slow things down in many cases, the fact remains...if a quality update is delivered to them, they will push it out...
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Not quite Metfanant the MotoX 2013 got updated quickly but the Droid Maxx/Ultra always lagged way behind.
In the case of the Turbo all of the other major 2014 flagships on Verizon such as G3, Galaxy S5, One M8 have seen updates to Android M. These are also all older devices than Turbo which makes it even worse. The reality is that the overall user experience will be very similar to what we have now but we at least deserve the bug fixes and security patches with the latest OS.
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Not quite Metfanant the MotoX 2013 got updated quickly but the Droid Maxx/Ultra always lagged way behind.
In the case of the Turbo all of the other major 2014 flagships on Verizon such as G3, Galaxy S5, One M8 have seen updates to Android M. These are also all older devices than Turbo which makes it even worse. The reality is that the overall user experience will be very similar to what we have now but we at least deserve the bug fixes and security patches with the latest OS.
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No sir...
The Moto X update to Kit Kat was pushed out starting Nov 19th according to this article...and it was the FIRST to get it...
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...ryone-by-updating-its-moto-x-to-kitkat-first/
Just a month later the update had finished soak testing and was starting to get pushed to the Droid line...
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/12/1...-4-kit-kat-update-starting-today/#more-127805
I wouldn't call that lagging way behind at all...it was still quicker than most phones...
As I've always said...VZW sucks, but they had no problem getting updates out to Moto devices when Google ran the show...so I blame Lenovo...
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Droid Maxx2 update is rolling out. I guess (hope&prey) we are next in line..
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Droid Maxx2 update is rolling out. I guess (hope&prey) we are next in line..
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Yeah I saw that too, the Maxx 2 came out in Oct and I think this is its first update. I used one briefly but it had screen issues so ended up returning it for another turbo.
Just filled out a droid turbo soak test survey let's hope this is a good sign of things to come
I also received an invitation for this.
I thought I signed up for these, but have never gotten one. I really hope this means we get Marshmallow soon!
I guess they didn't like my feedback from the last soak. I haven't gotten anything.