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[Q] URGENT!!! How do I recover Defy+ after failed 2ndinit install

Hi all,
I have thus far killed two Defy+ mobiles ($600 worth) following poor instructions on this site. I am now stuck using a 7" tablet as a phone!!!
My latest effort failed after installing 2ndinit 2.0 Stable, rebooting after turning USB Debugging off. Now it boot loops with the red Moto label. I have since read that one should never use 2.0 for Defy+ as it is known to have issues, even though the thread I took these instructions and the link from was referring specifically to a Defy+!!!
The last one I had did the same thing, only I thought it was because of the fact I chose to use the Latest rather than the Stable install of 2ndinit. I then proceeded to attempt to flash an SBF via the bootloader but now it is not booting at all, no logos, cant get to bootloader, nothing.
So, my question is, where can I get the latest Telstra Australia DEFY PLUS SBF from (please link me??) or one that I can flash over it that will work? Does anyone have any tips on how to recover this safely without sending it completely blank?
Also, does anyone have advice on how to recover the blank one?? Or is it useless?
Then, I would like to know, after I successfully recover the Defy+, HOW TO SAFELY 2ndinit it!!! I cannot afford to destroy another handset.
Thank you all for your prompt assistance! =)

which bootmenu did u install?and did u try flashing the SBF file via rsd lite?

fr0dzy said:
I have since read that one should never use 2.0 for Defy+ as it is known to have issues
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I have run 2ndinit 2.0 on my Defy+ with no problem at all. I installed the latest bootmenu (1.0.7). Do you get the blue LED after powering the phone on?
You could try wiping data and cache in standard recovery. You should still be able to get in to that by holding vol- when you press and release the power button (press vol- and vol+ simultaneously when the android with the "!" in a red triangle appears). Your phone should still be rooted and have 2ndinit in place after a wipe. (Presumably you had rooted the phone? 2ndinit won't work otherwise.)
If that doesn't work then you may need to re-flash the SBF. If you know the build number of the ROM on your you can have a look on this thread to see if there is an SBF for it available online.
As a last resort, you could ask Motorola to fix it. If it's rooted then you've voided the warranty but if all it needs is a ROM flashing then they shouldn't charge you very much to do that. Better spend a few tens of dollars to fix the phone than write it off at a cost of several hundred dollars, surely?

recall while doing the install
did u root first??? did u get superuser permission prompt on downloading 1.0.7?did ur led flash GREEN???ensure that these are all yes

Dont worry brother. I had the same issue. I too got stuck in bootloop i.e at the M !
All I did was went in the stock bootloader ( POWER + VOL UP ) , connected it to my laptop. Downloaded RSDLite and the compatible sbf for my device ( Indian Version ) and then flashed it and it worked like charm
I would suggest you to use WiFi while using 2ndInit.

fr0dzy said:
Hi all,
I have thus far killed two Defy+ mobiles ($600 worth) following poor instructions on this site. I am now stuck using a 7" tablet as a phone!!!
My latest effort failed after installing 2ndinit 2.0 Stable, rebooting after turning USB Debugging off. Now it boot loops with the red Moto label. I have since read that one should never use 2.0 for Defy+ as it is known to have issues, even though the thread I took these instructions and the link from was referring specifically to a Defy+!!!
The last one I had did the same thing, only I thought it was because of the fact I chose to use the Latest rather than the Stable install of 2ndinit. I then proceeded to attempt to flash an SBF via the bootloader but now it is not booting at all, no logos, cant get to bootloader, nothing.
So, my question is, where can I get the latest Telstra Australia DEFY PLUS SBF from (please link me??) or one that I can flash over it that will work? Does anyone have any tips on how to recover this safely without sending it completely blank?
Also, does anyone have advice on how to recover the blank one?? Or is it useless?
Then, I would like to know, after I successfully recover the Defy+, HOW TO SAFELY 2ndinit it!!! I cannot afford to destroy another handset.
Thank you all for your prompt assistance! =)
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There's always this quote: "Do it at your own risk"..
Never say it's the forumers instructions wrong or incorrect.
Read and double confirmed before taking the plunge modifying any system files.
Besides.. The death of your Defy is not really dead yet. I think your Defy boot just fine in the first place after installing 2nd-init. The only thing you need to do is press -Vol (when the blue light blink in the booting sequence) to enter into bootmenu and select boot normal as default. Because if this is your first installing 2nd-init, it might get you boot 2ndinit which was the cause of your bootlooping. Now you had flashed another sbf.. It's good to flash just Defy+ sbf and start again the process you failed in the attempt to get 2nd-init.
We learned from the mistake and master it over relentless practicing..

farsight73 said:
There's always this quote: "Do it at your own risk"..
Never say it's the forumers instructions wrong or incorrect.
Read and double confirmed before taking the plunge modifying any system files.
Besides.. The death of your Defy is not really dead yet. I think your Defy boot just fine in the first place after installing 2nd-init. The only thing you need to do is press -Vol (when the blue light blink in the booting sequence) to enter into bootmenu and select boot normal as default. Because if this is your first installing 2nd-init, it might get you boot 2ndinit which was the cause of your bootlooping. Now you had flashed another sbf.. It's good to flash just Defy+ sbf and start again the process you failed in the attempt to get 2nd-init.
We learned from the mistake and master it over relentless practicing..
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+1 for your comment

Same thing happened to me as the OP.
Installed 2ndinit onto my Defy+, said installed and asked to switch off USB debugging and then reboot. I did that and am now in a boot loop. I didn't see the blue led when the phone rebooted, just straight to loop (red M logo, black screen, repeat).
I have tried taking the battery in and out (didn't help), celared cache and also factory wipe/reset (didn't work either). I can get the factory recovery and bootloader, but no android or 2ndinit recovery.
I assume I have to reflash with a full sbf. My question is this -
Does anyone have the stock Defy+ Telstra AU sbf for 2.3.4 (4.5.1-134 DPF-891) or more recent updates?
If not what is closest? I have found a few here but some of the 2.3.4 ones (bl5??) have no links (megaupload etc been pulled) or no root. This one looked promising (here) but no link. Would this one (here) be good?
Can I then apply OTA update to get back to AU firmware if I need? I would use MS2Ginger or CM7 if/when I get the phone working again, but return to stock is still useful.
Thanks for your help,
Nova

i must say u need to flash proper sbf to recover...
just wanna share my experience...
after installing SndndInit v2.0 ( with stock 2.3.6_134 DFP1321 ), i installed stable version of recovery & rebooted my phone...all of this with usb debugging "ON"...n got no errors! maybe there is no need to keep debugging off...
Sent from my MB526 using XDA App

OK, I flashed full sbf and got the phone working again (uses the sbf from the second link in my previous post). Then rooted and install 2ndinit again.
Boot loop again, exactly the same as the first time.
Install goes well, says it is installed, green led is on, however when I reboot, boot loop. There is no recovery screen or anything (except stock).
Is there some more detailed install instructions other than in the 2dninit thread? I have been transferring to sd card root, click apk to run 2ndinit, select 1.0.7 and it says everything worked. Just doesn't when I reboot.
Cheers,
Nova

No-one has any suggestions?
Do I need to put 2ndinit.apk in phone and not sd card?
I am going to try an older version and see if that works.
Cheers,
Nova

i hope you have rooted your phone properly else use SuperOneClick from here
you can download different versions of SndInitDefy.apk form here
go to Setings -> Applications -> Manage Application
look for SndInitDefy & clear its data (your previous install)
put the downloaded apk in SD card & run it (fresh install)
MY NOTE--keep usb debugging ON all the time...
run defy2ndInit - install 2ndInit Recovery - select latest version...
let it download...1st RED led lights then Green...wait for 2 minutes...reboot your phone...
when phone reboots BLUE led flashes for just 3-4 seconds...press VOL DOWN button when its flashing...
i hope this helps..im not a pro but i did follow exact same steps just 2 days back..
PS i did used v2.0 of SndInitDefy.apk...no problems yet..made backup twice & recovered too..

Well I tried v1.7 and that worked. I then updated to version 2.0 and that worked as well so i don't know what was going wrong. The only thing that happened different was the red led came on while 2ndinit 1.7 was loading (this had not happened before), so I would guess that 2.0 wasn't properly installing even though it said that it was installed.
Thanks for all your help.
Cheers,
Nova

hit thanks if I've helped
right now I'm having ICS on my phone thanks to quarx
Sent from my MB526 using XDA

apurvdate said:
hit thanks if I've helped
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Did that. And thanks again for your help.
Cheers,
Nova

Had exactly same problem
I did the same experience as you after locking up after 2ndInit.
I used your recovery sbf as suggested and the phone works again. Thanks!
Were you able to find a Telstra Defy sbf and were you able to get 2ndInit to work and upgrade to CM9 & ICS?
Cheers,

apurvdate said:
i hope you have rooted your phone properly else use SuperOneClick from here
you can download different versions of SndInitDefy.apk form here
go to Setings -> Applications -> Manage Application
look for SndInitDefy & clear its data (your previous install)
put the downloaded apk in SD card & run it (fresh install)
MY NOTE--keep usb debugging ON all the time...
run defy2ndInit - install 2ndInit Recovery - select latest version...
let it download...1st RED led lights then Green...wait for 2 minutes...reboot your phone...
when phone reboots BLUE led flashes for just 3-4 seconds...press VOL DOWN button when its flashing...
i hope this helps..im not a pro but i did follow exact same steps just 2 days back..
PS i did used v2.0 of SndInitDefy.apk...no problems yet..made backup twice & recovered too..
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I have rooted phone and tried both the 1.7 and 2.3 apps for 2ndInit Recovery and still on stock ROM but i never get the blue led flashing on boot up.
Any ideas?

Defy Plus indian firmware
nidhish91 said:
Dont worry brother. I had the same issue. I too got stuck in bootloop i.e at the M !
All I did was went in the stock bootloader ( POWER + VOL UP ) , connected it to my laptop. Downloaded RSDLite and the compatible sbf for my device ( Indian Version ) and then flashed it and it worked like charm
I would suggest you to use WiFi while using 2ndInit.
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Can u please provide me the indian firmware link
Thanks
Zafar

Black camera!
Black camera!
Hey!
Somebody help me!!
Defy +: I put the original ruins of the ruins Rotolo, then the Boot Menu in Hungarian translation, and are followed by the error in the "Blade" my brain that I installed along with the 720p and panorama for Gingerbread Motorola
and since then my camera does not work, just great blackness!
Somebody help me!
green lenses!
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Black camera!
Hey!
Somebody help me!!
Defy +: I put the original ruins of the ruins Rotolo, then the Boot Menu in Hungarian translation, and are followed by the error in the "Blade" my brain that I installed along with the 720p and panorama for Gingerbread Motorola
and since then my camera does not work, just great blackness!
Somebody help me!
green lenses!

[Q] Destroyed my phone

Hello,
hope you can help me.
today i tried (noob as i am) to downgrade my phone from JB to GB. for some reason i needed (wanted) to flash the kernel and somewhere in that process when i connected my phone to my pc in the wrong way, windows told me to better format it. i was unable to connect to RSD lite and tried a bunch so i deceided to do so. and all was gone. stuck on motorola logo and stuff. finally managed to flash kernel with rsd but now i cant install any roms. im not alowed. and have the most basic bootinstaller ever (only 4 options).
i feel like i need to root my phone again but cant figure out how. or maybe the solution is something else i dont know. can anyone help me with this?

marzell88 said:
Hello,
hope you can help me.
today i tried (noob as i am) to downgrade my phone from JB to GB. for some reason i needed (wanted) to flash the kernel and somewhere in that process when i connected my phone to my pc in the wrong way, windows told me to better format it. i was unable to connect to RSD lite and tried a bunch so i deceided to do so. and all was gone. stuck on motorola logo and stuff. finally managed to flash kernel with rsd but now i cant install any roms. im not alowed. and have the most basic bootinstaller ever (only 4 options).
i feel like i need to root my phone again but cant figure out how. or maybe the solution is something else i dont know. can anyone help me with this?
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are you able to put your phone in bootloader mode ? and witch version you use to flash your phone with RSD use one of those
http://sbf.droid-developers.org/umts_milestone2/list.php

yes i used the retail british 2.4
i am able to flash sbf file but it still wont go past moto logo and stock recovery cant install any roms. not allowed to install or something like that.

1 get to recovery mod (x button+power) do a wipe data then full reset
2 update the last boot loader with rsd
3 repeat step 1
4 sbf your phone with retail 2.3.6 like retail brazil then be patient and your phone will power up after many reboot (before that prepare (bootstrap.apk) in memory card)
5 root your phone using super one click then install bootstrap and get bootstrap recovery and you can install CM10 now it will make your phone boot normally

jakkokko said:
1 get to recovery mod (x button+power) do a wipe data then full reset
2 update the last boot loader with rsd
3 repeat step 1
4 sbf your phone with retail 2.3.6 like retail brazil then be patient and your phone will power up after many reboot (before that prepare (bootstrap.apk) in memory card)
5 root your phone using super one click then install bootstrap and get bootstrap recovery and you can install CM10 now it will make your phone boot normally
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thank you i will try this. the battery is currently drained, so i need to recharge first. using wall charger (usb unit) but it didnt charge yet. keeps telling me the batt is low. any tips for that? only thing i found on here is to use a wall charger.

use this for low battery problem
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10163846

jakkokko said:
use this for low battery problem
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10163846
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this worked as far as the batery problem, pita to do thou. now hope i can root the thing, since i did not yet succeed to run the adb drivers..
update: well, i fear the worst. after the last time flashing the sbf it wont turn on anymore. guess i did screw up the wire-DIY. will update if there is any good news. but for now it seems i should start looking for a new phone.,.

Defy bricked; not responding, need Help!

Hey folks,
before I start describing my fu*k-up let me thank you for all your great work and support in this forum! It makes tinkering with your phone so much fun
Unless you achieve what I have..
Last Rom was the JB buil from Quarx. I was running the build 31.12. and wantend to update to 07.01. This is where I got stuck in a bootloop and started freaking out. I did a lot of random stuff and finally tried reverting to stock to start all over again. I tried doing this via this method here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1807899
Now my phone does not respond at all. When I try to power it up with the Vol+ pressed, nothing happens, same with Vol-
Only response I get is when I plug it in to my PC and start RSD Lite, it shows up as a device, but without any information on the device.
What the hell am I supposed to do now?
Thanks in advance for your help (If there is any hope at all..)

I think this might have to do with the fact that I used the wrong sbf. Which one do I have to use? The last one I flashed was JRDNEM_U3_2.51.1_BLUR_P3_SIGN_SIGNED_UCAJRDNEMARAB1B80AA030.0R_USAJORDANRTDACH_P025_A008_HWp3_WIG144847_Service1FF
Is there a sbf that will work for sure? I don't need to downgrade afterwards..

I think you need to go MacGyver.
Your battery level is too low so you need to take a usb cord, cut it, expose the wires and connect them directly to the battery.
There are detailed guides with pictures around (I know I had to this once).

Apart from battery which seems to go dead try BL6 sbf. The one you used doesn't allow to flash CM10 2ndboot builds (BL5 Chinese eclair, which caused a lot of troubles).
Regarding battery my proposal would be an external charger or other defy. Doing McGyver you shall do it with caution.
My proposal is 4.5.1-134_DFP-137 retail Nordic from this site - defy+ fROM which causes no problems for most of custom ROMs. Anyway even after the ROM you've flashed there is no way back to froyo.

Try This
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1820282

Unable to root Defy MB526

I have Motorola Defy MB525 which recently got BRICKED and I was unable to flash any SBF files found on forums or internet, so I gave a try to MB526 Stock SBF and it worked and my MB525 is now showing as MB526 in "About Phone"
But I am unable to root the device now, none other SBF works too and also few things like Camera, WIFI are not working...
Can anyone help me to know how can I root my MB526(previously MB525) and install custom ROMs or if I can go back to MB525 again???

Why not just be happy that you got your phone back? Why again start to torture it? after rooting you will force it to do things your way(that it knows it cant do). Last time it gave up it's life trying to do something that'd content you.
Ok for rooting, no one does it better than kingo app. It roots any phone model any firmware (the last time it could root my preordered handset just after it arrived).
Download it from kingoapp(dot)com and install it. Enable usb debugging in your phone. Run kingo app, then connect the phone to your pc using usb data cable. Let the drivers install and in case they are not found in your phone, kinggo app will automatically find and download it from the internet(you have to particularly trust it with that. I was made to believe it has a driver database as large as the universe because of the varied and very unpopular models I could root with it; and the drivers were very accurate). Wait for the drivers to be installed and then click on "root" and again wait until it says "rooted successfully." (Trust me it will say!)

thank
thanks a lot... it worked like a charm.... :good:

developeryamhi said:
thanks a lot... it worked like a charm.... :good:
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I told u :thumbup:

developeryamhi said:
I have Motorola Defy MB525 which recently got BRICKED and I was unable to flash any SBF files ...
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I don't believe you, you can flash any SBF..but perhaps the defy won'7 start afterwards
If defy shows a black screen there is a problem with the bootloader, if there is a boot loop a factary reset would help..vol(-) on start and vol(+) AND Vol(-) when android is smiling at you.
Anyway, I did the same and flashed a MB526 SBF, just for a try. And it looks that there is no way back due to bootloader trouble.
No problem, you can use a 2ndboot ROM and everything will look shiny.
For rooting I used framaroot, easy and simple, no drivers, nothing.
USB dubug afterwards for Sndinit...

bianchifan said:
I don't believe you, you can flash any SBF..but perhaps the defy won'7 start afterwards
If defy shows a black screen there is a problem with the bootloader, if there is a boot loop a factary reset would help..vol(-) on start and vol(+) AND Vol(-) when android is smiling at you.
Anyway, I did the same and flashed a MB526 SBF, just for a try. And it looks that there is no way back due to bootloader trouble.
No problem, you can use a 2ndboot ROM and everything will look shiny.
For rooting I used framaroot, easy and simple, no drivers, nothing.
USB dubug afterwards for Sndinit...
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I was able to go to bootloader only and I was able to flash SBFs but none were working, after flashing there was no output, no Motorola Logo or anything, just charging white led was on...

todopertin said:
I told u :thumbup:
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the only sbf that worked for my phone is DEFYPLUS_U3_4.5.1-134_DFP-231_BLUR_SIGN_USADEFYEMARAB1B8RTGB005.0R_PDS03C_USAJRDNGIBRRTGB_P023_A025_M002_Service1FF.sbf
but camera shows black screen, wifi restarts constantly
is there any better SBF i can use??? or any other way around??? as when i tried to install custom cm7 rom, i get some error about update_binary

developeryamhi said:
just charging white led was on...
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even that LED I missed..no reaction, RSDLite didn't recognized a device
Battery out, VOL up and batt in was the solution to get it recon again
developeryamhi said:
the only sbf that worked for my phone is DEFYPLUS_U3_4.5.1-134_DFP-231_BLUR_SIGN_USADEFYEMARAB1B8RTGB005.0R_PDS03C_USAJRDNGIBRRTGB_P023_A025_M002_Service1FF.sbf
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I used DEFYPLUS_U3_4.5.1-134_DFP-188_TMOUK_SIGN_....sbf 'cause I had trouble starting up without SIM with some SBFs.
Nevertheless, Wifi probs and missing camera iare features when running MB526 ROMs on a MB525 device unless you decide to use a custum kernel.
For ex. Quarx's Cyanogenmod 10 will work fine and some others which work with SndBoot !!! feature.
Please look for a ROM suitable for Defy AND Defy+!

developeryamhi said:
the only sbf that worked for my phone is DEFYPLUS_U3_4.5.1-134_DFP-231_BLUR_SIGN_USADEFYEMARAB1B8RTGB005.0R_PDS03C_USAJRDNGIBRRTGB_P023_A025_M002_Service1FF.sbf
but camera shows black screen, wifi restarts constantly
is there any better SBF i can use??? or any other way around??? as when i tried to install custom cm7 rom, i get some error about update_binary
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that's because you are using ROM/firmware of a different model, there's little you can do if you aren't such a serious developer....try to find a custom rom for your device rather than using the original firmware of an other model. Or simply maybe it's time to buy a new phone.

[Q] Help with Seriously Bricked Moto DEFY, PLEASE READ!

Hello,
i know there has been a lot of Bricked Defy posts and i've read them all. I think my Defy is really Dead.
I had my stock Defy and wanted to instal Kit Kat on it. So i followed some you tube instructions and made it work., the only problem is that i did not have Data working any more, i could make calls but no Data., So, i decided to restore my previously created nanobackup (is that how it's called) anyway, it failed, gave me some errors and my phone was then stuck on the M screen.
As i previously made it work, i grabbed the SBF i had and flashed it using RSDLite and now my phone is dead :crying:
I first thought that my battery was dead, but i have performed the MacGiver method and i can see the phone on RSDlite and i can re-flash it, but nothing happens, when the flash finishes, it reports "PASSED" and the phone remains dead.
as i read in other posts the phone is not booting because my SBF is older or something, but i cannot find any newer SBF, i have the following:
JRDNEM_U3_3.4.3-33-INESE_SIGN_SIGNED_UCAJRDNEMARAB1B50AA03A.0R_PDS03C_USAJRDNFRYORTINT15_P001_A013_HWp3_Service1FF.sbf.gz
JRDNEM_U3_3.4.2_145-012_BLUR_SIGN_SIGNED_USAJRDNEMARAB1B5TEL03B.0R_PDS03C_USAJRDNFRYOTELSTRA_P013_A007_M003_HWp3_Service1FF
and
DEFYPLUS_U3_4.5.1-134_DFP-137_ND_SIGN_SIGNED_UCADEFYEMARAB1B80AA004.0R_PDS03C_USAJRDNGIBRRTNORD_P009_A011_HWp3_Service1FF
Since had kitkat working for a while, do i have to find a much newer SBF, some newer than Kitkat or what should i do.
Any help would be greatly appretiate it.
thank you

I will follow this thread.
I think i may have the same problem
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58344502&postcount=464