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car charger

Has anyone managed to find one yet?
I've tried a number of places (ever since expansys sent me what they thought was a touch pro charger but turned out to be for the old htc phones - new connector on Touch Pro and Diamond)
I hate to get caught with a flat battery.

Erm... The Touch Pro connector is the same as every other HTC phone I've come across (i.e. the Hermes and Kaiser) and is charged by mini USB.
I'm using the car charger I had for an old Motorola V3, it's actually an official Morotola branded charger but it works fine on the Raphael - all usb power is a standard 5V after all, so I knew no harm would come to it!
I've also ordered a solar charger with built in 2000mAh emergency battery too, it came this morning but nobody was in to take delivery, so I've got to go and get it from the royal mail place tomorrow!

looks like I might have been wrong, the connector shape is different, but my old charger still fits...
apologies all

you can use any 5v mini usb car charger. need not be an htc branded charger

My brother had one for his motorola krazr back in the day, it's a wall and car charger in one (you can flip out the different attachments)... He now has a samsung, so I swiped his.

I'm using the original one from HTC, the HTC CC C100.
Since my TyTNII I faced problems that other carchargers didn't provide enough power to load the TyTNII.
The original loader didn't face this problems.
And in Holland it was €20.00 so not much more than an unbranded one.
Now I'm using it with my Touch Pro

twisted-pixel said:
looks like I might have been wrong, the connector shape is different, but my old charger still fits...
apologies all
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Mogul is same way. You can use regular USB, but modified has other sound features or whatever

OK I received the solar charger I mentioned in post #2 today. It's working now but I had a couple of issues with it! Here's a copy of the e-mail I sent to the company I bought it from:
ukdj78 said:
My solar charger has now arrived. First off I should like to point out that the information on your web site is incorrect as the instructions for my product say that the internal battery is only 1350 mAh not 2000.
Secondly, I could not get the internal battery to charge from my PC's usb port at first. I noticed the led light flickering very faintly so I prised apart the plug which connects to the unit and noticed that it had been soldered in such a way that two of the connections inside the plug were touching each other! I lightly bent them apart and plugged it back in and it works fine now.
Thirdly, I noticed that the product was also shipped with a mains adaptor to charge the internal battery (which I can't use in the UK as it has an American mains plug). My one rattled! Seeing as I wasn't planning to use it anyway, I thought I'd investigate what was causing the rattle and I found a piece of loose metal wire about 3 cm long inside the adaptor! As you would understand this was potentially very dangerous!
I do not wish to return my product as it is now working satisfactorily, but I thought you might like to pass my comments on to the product manufacturer. There was a card in the box that says QC Pass #06. Obviously this quality checker isn't very good at his job considering I found two potential short circuit issues!
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Here is the rather quick response I got:
David from Donba.com said:
Hi, ukdj78:
Luckily we have customers like you who knows about things and understand that ultimately we do not have control of the product's quality as we are only the seller. I have forward your email to our purchaser and we will never order anything from the same manufacturer again. Poor quality products not only make us lose money, but our own company image. And like what you said, a risk for our customers.
As for your order. I will refund you the shipping charge to make it free shipping as a compensation for all the inconveniences you experienced.
Again, we are very much appreciated your understanding and your comments.
David
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By the way, if anyone does like the idea of a solar charged emergency battery there's also this one from Handtec. Looking at the specs and dimensions and the fact that Handtec have added a note saying it's black not silver as pictured makes me think it's the exactly the same product as the one I've got. The only reason I ordered from Donba is that they were cheaper. I didn't realise at the time of ordering that even though Donba have their prices in £'s they're actually based in the US and ship directly from the manufacturer in Hong Kong, so it took quite a while for mine to arrive. Handtec are UK based, so you should get a UK power adaptor (if you get one at all) and it should arrive much quicker, they're reliable too, I bought my Touch Pro from them!
Obviously considering my experience though, it may be wise to find a different model that does the same thing just to be on the safe side!

I'm gonna buy a originally adapter 4 sure!
So I know 4 sure it's working correctly!

Cheap eBay Batteries - My Exp

I just thought I'd let give a brief review of my experience with some of the cheap batteries and accessories that can be found on eBay for the Epic. I bought a $22 set that came with the following:
extra battery
car windshield mount(for google nav)
car charger
home charger
usb cord
extra battery charger
belt-clip case
I was a little skeptical given the price, but figured 22 was worth a gamble. In the end i have to say, while the products, other than the battery, are a little cheap feeling, they all work great. The batteries performed just as good if not BETTER (although probably the placebo effect) than the one that came with the phone.
Just wanted to share my experience so others might save a few bucks to get some decent accessories.
Cheers

I also think the batteries are worth the modest cost. In my experience, they basically work. But I have seen credible reports that they might test out at a lower capacity than claimed -- 1200 maH vs the 1500 maH nominal rating. The quality can vary from unit to unit.
One other caveat, I think, is that switching batteries with mismatched capacities might confuse the calibration of the battery meter on the phone. So the percentage reported, which is really an estimate based on empirical measures of voltage and temperature, may be a little off.
But compared to the high price of an OEM spare, the knockoffs seem like a thinkable method to mitigate battery issues.

There was another post about this somewhere I think......I said that I had two sets of these cheapies. Months later and I feel that they're just ok...they (in my case at least and after using them for more than a month) will last about 75% of the standard Sammy batt. All in all, I'm happy with them for the money. There have been times where I've flashed myself crazy at work and these things got me thru the day
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Is there a extended battery for the epic yet?
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I believe that seido (sp?) Is in the works of making one but i have no idea if its out yet or how it will affect the back of the phone
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I'll have to look into that. I know they have the custom back doors but don't know If I'd silk be able to use my case with my epic.
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I have bought the cheap ones on ebay for my EVO before. It was 2 batteries and the battery charger. They seemed to work really well for only $12. I was able to heavily use my phone and get through the day without having to worry about battery life.
I just bought two batteries, a battery charger, and 3 screen protectors for $10. They're shipping but I hope they're just as good. I hate monitoring my battery and worrying about shutting stuff off when I'm not using it.

my results have been mixed. I have three epics and got a bunch of spare battereis from several ebay vendors.
First, the are all counterfeit. They are not bulk pack g9 or g7.
The g7s I got have labels that say samsung. Their wight is perceivable less than the stock battery. They are max 1200 mah, and three of four (the vendor sent me two replacements) will report "battery is not connected" meaning the difference is substantial enough for the Epic to sense it and not charge it, although they work with standalone charger.
The otehr ones I got weigh the correct amount, but say in a tiny font "for" right before the samsung logo. In other words the label is a counterfeit use of samsung logo, desinged to trick the buyer who doesn't see the tiny "for" in an ebay picture. They also seem to be no more than 1200 mah.
all in all having a few spare 1200 ma and a charger for $10 isn't bad for several spare battery uses, I don't think they will harm the phone. But you are not getting a steal on the real deal.

Is it worth it? (Acer Dock)

I am considering purchasing the dock. I don't need HDMI or the audio port etc.
My plan is to use the A500 as a chumby-like device beside me at night time. So, clock, weather, etc. and a quick touch to dim or light it up.
That being said, is the dock worth it? Does it work well? Mostly I'm concerned about the remote, I'm sure I'll be using that a lot.
I have read that it never used to, but now works nicely in 3.2, but I'd like to verify that here before I drop 50 bucks on it.
Thanks.

If that's all you want it for, save yourself the money and just buy a cheap tablet stand...

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If that's all you want it for, save yourself the money and just buy a cheap tablet stand...
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And where do I find a remote that will work with it that's small and neat?

Unless you're willing to pay a lot of money just for a remote, I'd have to agree with FloatingFatMan.
While I really want a dock, paying $55 USD for the official Acer dock and another $20 for a power supply (because it doesn't come with one) is crazy, considering the limitations. It's really nothing more than an expensive piece of plastic with a power pass-thru and audio connector.
I think that dock would be good if they droped the price or released a version 2.0 with a power supply, USB, and HDMI (granted, you mentioned you wern't looking for those features).
A simple $5 generic tablet stand and nightstand app will do everything you're looking for... just without the cheap-feeling remote that the Acer dock comes with.
If you really want a remote there are several good Bluetooth versions that will work. I saw some threads with people using a Jabra 3030

Hell, I bent an old coat hanger into a DIY stand and it works great. Not aesthetically pleasing mind you, but it works amazingly for what its worth.
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I have to agree with the others...
As an owner of the dock, I'm very disappointed. Everything the others say about it is true. A basic tablet stand would likely serve you better. Note that I really don't use the remote, though.

Inexpensive tablet stand
Here's a link to an inexpensive, folding tablet stand. I don't own this, but it has many positive reviews.
http://www.amazon.com/Arkon-Portabl...TAB1/dp/B000CKVOOY/ref=acc_glance_e_ai_ps_t_4

Thanks for the responses. The answer is, yes I really do want the remote. I was only thinking about the dock on behalf of the fact that it would be 2 solutions in 1.
1. I'd get a remote. I haven't been able to source any neat/small bluetooth remotes
The only one I've seen for less than $40 is the PS3 remote and I doubt that's compatible with the A500 in terms of all the relevant functions. There's another, $40 by SMK-Link but again, not sure if it works with the A500 and it's too big anyway.
and...
2. The dock would serve as my charger so I didn't have to fumble for the cord to plug the tablet in every time. I could just drop it on the dock when I'm heading to bed. Afaik the tablet's charger works with the dock, so I wouldn't need to spend another $20, it's not like I need 2 anyway.
The dock isn't absolutely necessary. It just takes a few extra movements to plug it in anyway. I'd gladly save a few bucks on skipping the dock. The remote is the real issue at hand. While I want the tablet to be like a chumby, I also want it to be my music player as mentioned. After I'm done playing with it beside the bed and I've set my alarm, I don't want to have to stretch over to fiddle with it if I don't like the song being played. Likewise, I don't want to have to fiddle with it while manipulating/navigating the netflix app.
If you guys could recommend to me a good bluetooth remote control I'd be happy. I still haven't been able to source a good one. The Jabra 3030 is $60-90 and a bit more than I need but less than I want. I don't need a device to stream music through headphones to me, I already have a great bluetooth speaker system set up in my bedroom. The Street also is missing a directional pad.
I already own the Arkon. That's what I use to dock it now. It serves it's purpose as a dock nicely in terms of leaving it be, but in cases where you need to touch the tablet, it isn't as practical since if you're not careful, touching the tablet ends up fumbling your configuration/angles...even though the hinges are for the most part quite tight.
I'm sad to hear that the dock is disappointing, but for what I want it seems I may not have a choice.
Thanks again for your responses and advice. I look forward to hearing your suggestions. I've searched up and down the net' and haven't been able to find a small, tidy control like the one that comes with the A500 dock.

Gentle Alarm's Night Mode + my 10 dollar Merkury Innovations Stand is more and adequate enough on my dresser, plus it looks sexxy .
The Docks current setup is just not worth the money, unless you need a 50+ dollar remote for the brag factor.

I have that stand it works real nice.

it's definitly not worth it !
i had one for another tab. save ur money, and just take a good case

Dock purely for charging?
So there are no cheaper docks purely for charging?
I know I can get a cheap stand and plug in the power cable, that's what I use now - A $3 business card holder from OfficeWorks and the original charger.
But I want a dock that I can throw my tab at, and have it slide in and start charging.

luke.pell said:
So there are no cheaper docks purely for charging?
I know I can get a cheap stand and plug in the power cable, that's what I use now - A $3 business card holder from OfficeWorks and the original charger.
But I want a dock that I can throw my tab at, and have it slide in and start charging.
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I caved and got the Acer Dock. There are just no alternatives for the remote and being able to just sit the device on something and have it charge is a nice bonus over having to plug it in every time.
Not sure why so many are complaining about it. I half expected it to crumble while using it or that it just wouldn't work the way some owners complained of how cheap it was on Amazon. But I read some of the 4 star reviews and went ahead with the purchase.
But the dock works well, the remote works very well, better than I expected and the dock isn't that 'cheap' to me. Then I again, I don't equate something made of plastic to being cheap so that may just be me.
For what it does, allowing you to sit your tablet down to charge AND coming with the remote control (that I can find no alternatives for), it's well worth it to me...you just have to stomach the $50. If you consider the dock to be 20/25 and the remote to be 25/30 (that's what I did), it doesn't feel like a waste of money. Granted, if you don't want the remote then it would definitely feel like paying too much but I haven't found any charging bases either way, and I don't think you ever will since it's a proprietary slot.

I'm considering getting one of these docks.
Its handy to have an audio connection that doesn't use the 3.5ml jack, preventing the jack from getting worn down whenever you want to play music at home.
Let alone not wearing down the solder for the charging port (I hate the charging port, am really disappointed the tab cant charge over its micro USB, but thats a whole separate rant eheh)
I originally thought I should get a second charger and dock, but since using custom roms my battery life has gotten so good that I can leave my only charger at home on a dock and not have to worry.
My battery is usually on 70% ~ 65% remaining by the time I get home, including daily web usage, 2 hours of video playback, and general fiddling here and there.
If there was a cheaper stand that utilised the Dock port, i'd strongly consider it, but since this is the only one I know of that has the port for audio, remote control and charging. if I could get one for 50 bucks I would be very happy.
unfortunately in Aus they're price point is ****ty (aus retail sucks) so Its probably going to cost me $65~

qwertylesh said:
I'm considering getting one of these docks.
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Let alone not wearing down the solder for the charging port (I hate the charging port, am really disappointed the tab cant charge over its micro USB, but thats a whole separate rant eheh)
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If you could charge via the USB, you would wear it down twice as fast. That's because you can't charge it connected to a PC because its USB port simply cannot supply the needed current to charge the battery. So you would have to plug in a charger and unplug it every time you need to connect to a PC for file transfer. Not to mention that this would make developement of applications with A500a pain in the a## because you will be discharging the battery while connected unless you allow it to go to sleep and have to wake and unlock every time you run your app (which would still discharge the battery but slower).
Acer did not put the extra production effort/cost in having more ports just to make your life miserable
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My Xoom learned a new trick...

...Play dead.
We all know how brilliant a design the charge cord adapter is, I myself am on to my third one in almost two years. Well, the tablet stopped charging today and no matter which wall outlet I used or how much I wiggled the lead I could not make the light come on. Seeing that my Verizon contract is all but done at the end of this month and rather than buy another charge cord I decided to buy a new tab. I just picked up the new Asus Transformer Infinity, not too bad so far. Anyways, about 20 minutes after getting home with neither tablet charged to a useable level, the power goes out for a couple hours- just my luck too. When the power came back on suddenly the light on the Xoom came on. I hadn't touched it since I gave up on trying to get it to charge. Now here I am with two tablets and a $500 hole in my pocket. I know I was bound to get a new one eventually so I'm going to hang on to it but I never saw it happening like this.
Has anyone else had any issues regarding their chargers? Or anything unusual occur in general? I'm sure I'm not alone.

Ouch I would hate to folk out another $500 dollars for a new tablet even though my old one still works. I don't use my tablet for any intensive apps like games, so a new one would be pretty pointless for me. I never had any issues with my charger, well one time one of my charger did blow up, but that's because the battery was faulty for my jump charger for my car. Other than that, you might have some dust in the charger pin hole? Just a guess really.

I'm on my third charger since March. Original Motorola one died, second one (off eBay) burnt out, current one (off eBay) still working but I can't use the touchscreen while unit is charging.
I live remote using an off-grid power supply so this may have something to do with it.

Chelseablue said:
We all know how brilliant a design the charge cord adapter is, I myself am on to my third one in almost two years.
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Huh. I have four of them, from the original back in Feb '11 to one I was given a few months back, and they all work perfectly- and most of 'em are used every week (two at home, one in the office, one for travel).

agreed with kcrudup, ive been through 2, the only reason being i snapped the connector on the first one when i pulled it out at a bad angle

The charger that came with my refurbished Xoom lasted almost through the first charge. I thought I was going to have to send the whole thing back until I took it into the Verizon store and verified that it charged with a different charger. I've since got one off eBay and another with the standard dock. Both have been holding out so far.
Oh and my Xoom touch screen doesn't respond while charging either. Somewhere I read that a factory reset will fix that... but I'm waiting until my 90 day warantee is up to put EOS on it since my BT mouse works while it is charging.
ByteWrencher

My original charger is still working and I got my tablet 8 months back. I think the charger has lasted pretty well. How long did peoples original ones seem to last?

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Oh and my Xoom touch screen doesn't respond while charging either. Somewhere I read that a factory reset will fix that
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That's an electrical problem (noise and/or grounding issues with the charger raise the "noise floor" so the touchscreen controller has trouble determining what's a valid touch) and can't be cured by any reset, factory or full or ...
Your issue is your charger- try another.

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...Play dead.
We all know how brilliant a design the charge cord adapter is, I myself am on to my third one in almost two years. Well, the tablet stopped charging today and no matter which wall outlet I used or how much I wiggled the lead I could not make the light come on. Seeing that my Verizon contract is all but done at the end of this month and rather than buy another charge cord I decided to buy a new tab. I just picked up the new Asus Transformer Infinity, not too bad so far. Anyways, about 20 minutes after getting home with neither tablet charged to a useable level, the power goes out for a couple hours- just my luck too. When the power came back on suddenly the light on the Xoom came on. I hadn't touched it since I gave up on trying to get it to charge. Now here I am with two tablets and a $500 hole in my pocket. I know I was bound to get a new one eventually so I'm going to hang on to it but I never saw it happening like this.
Has anyone else had any issues regarding their chargers? Or anything unusual occur in general? I'm sure I'm not alone.
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Just a quick note.. I've had the ebay sourced chargers fail on my xoom ( and other devices). I found that the power ratings on some of them are rather optimistic... they simply are running at the outer limits to charge the tablet and failure can be internal to the power unit...best case.. or worst case failure dumps overvoltage or raw AC power to the tablet.
Fortunately my failed units were of the internal power supply version.. and aside from bad smells no real damage was done.
I have successfully built charger/power units after scavenging the connector from my failed power supplies and using a minimum 1.5 amp 12v dc supply... they seem to work fine.. and keeping one handy is much more convenient than wondering where I last used it :fingers-crossed:
as always.. your mileage may vary

Hmm, that's interesting. Unfortunately this charger is from Verizon and i would surely hope that their stuff work to the correct specs. I wonder sometimes that maybe the problem could be with the contact inside the tablet. Could that have something to so with it?

Chelseablue said:
Hmm, that's interesting. Unfortunately this charger is from Verizon and i would surely hope that their stuff work to the correct specs. I wonder sometimes that maybe the problem could be with the contact inside the tablet. Could that have something to so with it?
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I think the Motorola/Verizon chargrs are good. I think the earthing issue is with the cheap chargers from China.

When I lost my cellphone charger I had to buy a Chinese one, well, when charging it looked like possessed by the Devil itself lol! The screen started acting strange and I wasn't able to control it... Then I found my original charger and the exorcism was complete lol^2! BTW, a guy on X10 mini pro community (one of the best developers I ever met - my favorite one ) lost a cellphone with a Chinese charger, so what can I say - be careful with it!
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Anyone getting a portable battery pack?

I usually get a few ebay batteries for my phone when i'm travelling but it seems that won't be the case this time around with the Nexus 4. Next option would be to pick up a portable battery charger. Any recommendations for one preferably with a built in concealable cable?
Something like this one but larger capacity: http://www.amazon.com/SlimTalk-Exte...TF8&colid=3JV3M6BBIVSNO&coliid=I3SU5TRGE8UZYR

I already have this one, it seems to work really well and will charge my Ipad, Nexus 7 and phones.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0073F92OK/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i01

qnet said:
I already have this one, it seems to work really well and will charge my Ipad, Nexus 7 and phones.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0073F92OK/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i01
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This is what I've got as well, it's pretty compact and easy to carry, plus the torch can come in handy at times too. Before that I had a 5000mAh Pebble, which was actually not that much smaller, and was a bit more of a nuisance because it didn't use microUSB to charge itself (instead opting for some weird tiny barrel connector).

I plan on getting one of these (the 10,000 Mah variant )
http://www.amazon.com/5600mAh-Exter...&qid=1351732273&sr=1-3&keywords=anker+battery

I may buy one later on. Until then I plan on making a solar charger for my car.

jnewman1991 said:
I may buy one later on. Until then I plan on making a solar charger for my car.
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Please tell me more!

Slap-Yourself :) said:
Please tell me more!
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It's nothing really special. If you search for DIY solar usb charger there are quite a few instructions on how to do it for pretty cheap.

jnewman1991 said:
It's nothing really special. If you search for DIY solar usb charger there are quite a few instructions on how to do it for pretty cheap.
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Wow thats great! shuld try this out. thanks!

Mophie and powerskin would make a lot off this phone
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tracerit said:
I usually get a few ebay batteries for my phone when i'm travelling but it seems that won't be the case this time around with the Nexus 4. Next option would be to pick up a portable battery charger. Any recommendations for one preferably with a built in concealable cable?
Something like this one but larger capacity: http://www.amazon.com/SlimTalk-Exte...TF8&colid=3JV3M6BBIVSNO&coliid=I3SU5TRGE8UZYR
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qnet said:
I already have this one, it seems to work really well and will charge my Ipad, Nexus 7 and phones.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0073F92OK/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i01
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I have both of these. The one the OP is looking at doesn't last nearly as long as the MFG claims it does. The second one is great for the two settings 0.6 and 2.0 amps. The weird thing is that my N7 won't charge on the 2.0 amp setting. I have to connect it to the 0.6 amp setting. And the brand on mine is Anker. I like the latter better, tho you have to have a usb cable. Actually, now that I am thinking about it, it comes with some small cables and various connectors for different devices.

http://bensoutlet.com/products/anker-astro2-8400
35 bucks for a 8400 mah isnt bad.

ElectroBeijing said:
I plan on getting one of these (the 10,000 Mah variant )
http://www.amazon.com/5600mAh-Exter...&qid=1351732273&sr=1-3&keywords=anker+battery
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I've got this coming in the mail right now

I might pick up the 8400 anker if it seems necessary after a few weeks of use.

I'm planning to get one if there is inductive charging build into the case with 7-10k mAh

bfspider said:
I might pick up the 8400 anker if it seems necessary after a few weeks of use.
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Yes that's what I use for my nexus 7,phone and ipod. Very very useful. :thumbup:
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Can't wait until they build one of these with wireless charging built in. THEN I'll buy one

I just bought this one - check around for some coupon codes to get an additional $5 off. I liked the look of the Zagg sparq series and the ability to plug it in (no more carrying around an ac adapter) but the build quality is questionable and the price is too high!

What about this one http://www.amazon.com/New-Trent-IMP120D-Thunderbolt-Blackberry/dp/B003ZBZ64Q/ref=pd_cp_cps_3
It's a 12000 mAh.

I just ordered one of these 12000mAh from China off ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/12000mAh-Ex...444570?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item5d358dcf1a
I didn't buy from this particular seller and I haven't used it yet, so I can't recommend anything about it. (A bunch of sellers sell the same item.)
The marketing material seems legit and the price is good. I'll see if I made the right decision.
The width and height happens to be about the same as the S3 and N4. They claim an efficiency of 90% with the lithium polymer batteries. I would be happy if the N4 required one or two charges to get through an evening out and if this "power bank" could deliver ~4 charges.
The question is, how do you use these things? In the pocket, without an inductive Qi charger of the right size, i don't seem myself charging it with the cable in pocket regularly. It makes it a hassle to pull the phone out of the pocket and use. I see myself charging or powering the phone with it if I find myself sitting down for 10 mins or more, say at a meal.
How are you all planning to use an external battery brick?

yes, portable battery pack is required if you are high end user, playing high end games... I already have one