GSM recently did a preview and said this about the screen. And i'm sure they review tons of phones. Should shut up a lot of haters and doubters who most likely haven't even seen a pentile display =)
The hyperglazed plastic will not enjoy universal appeal, but that might not turn out to be too great a problem - all eyes will be on the screen anyway. It's huge, it's got beautiful colors and deep blacks, it's sharp, and in short it's the best display we've seen recently. As expected, the whole PenTile thing didn't prove to be a big issue and you'll have to have a 20/20 eyesight and look really carefully to even see it.
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And in regards to the Hyperglaze
This layer helps mask some of the fingerprints and is actually decently grippy, so it's probably the best bit about the S III back
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Real and objective reviews and opinion are only by real users, not "gsm portals" reviewers
GSM Arena are notoriously clueless, as are a lot of tech bloggers.
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I've searched as much as I can on this. Despite the materials/construction, views on in-hand seem to be unanimously positive due to the rounded shape. Coupled with the placement of the power button I think this will be what makes me return my hox for this. I really doubt the display will be as good as the slcd2 (it's that good), but I hope it's close.
Since the time i got my first Nokia 6600 i have been following GSMarena reviews and opinions. I would have bought more than 10 phones since 6600 till my i9100 S2 based on their reviews and they never missed a shot. Their reviews exactly reflected the phone. Well, this is my personal opinion and i am not trying to generalize.
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Since the time i got my first Nokia 6600 i have been following GSMarena reviews and opinions. I would have bought more than 10 phones since 6600 till my i9100 S2 based on their reviews and they never missed a shot. Their reviews exactly reflected the phone. Well, this is my personal opinion and i am not trying to generalize.
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I agree the guys and girls at GSM arena are non bias and usually accurate. Let's not discredited them just because they did not like some parts.
Overall a positive review.
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Editorial aside, the news isn't all good. The good news is that the display's much brighter than the GN where it was a common complaint. The bad news is that it's not as bright as either the SGS2 or G-Note, especially at 50% brightness which is the most typical setting.
BarryH_GEG said:
Editorial aside, the news isn't all good. The good news is that the display's much brighter than the GN where it was a common complaint. The bad news is that it's not as bright as either the SGS2 or G-Note, especially at 50% brightness which is the most typical setting.
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Something I'm more interested to hear about is battery life. If the gorilla glass is thinner it might make the phone more visible also. If the battery life is great even with %75 brightness and better than the HOX at %50 brightness lets say, then I don't really see a problem and could see different kinds of trade offs.
I myself don't run my phones at %100 brightness that often.
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Something I'm more interested to hear about is battery life. If the gorilla glass is thinner it might make the phone more visible also. If the battery life is great even with %75 brightness and better than the HOX at %50 brightness lets say, then I don't really see a problem and could see different kinds of trade offs.
I myself don't run my phones at %100 brightness that often.
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Even if the glass is thinner it doesn't make the screen "more or less" bright.
One place where the brightness on my SGS2 is on full ALL the time is outdoors (auto sensor) and in bright sun it's hard to see, which means the SGS3 will have worse viewing outdoors than the SGS2.
Do the numbers always translate into how beautiful a display is? Serious question Ive never really paid attention.
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Do the numbers always translate into how beautiful a display is? Serious question Ive never really paid attention.
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"Beautiful" is subjective. "Cd/m2" is not. I should have posted the link, sorry. There's also a sublink in the article that explains the testing methodology.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii-review-757p2.php
Battery life is one of the things that concerns me. If any of you used Vlingo on the SGS2 in "listen mode" it was a battery pig. S-Voice always listening has to have an impact. Same thing with all the sensors being alive 24/7 waiting for you to blink or move the phone. You can turn it all off but it kind of kills the sizzle of the phone. I'm guessing Samsung made the battery 2200mAh for a reason.
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Even if the glass is thinner it doesn't make the screen "more or less" bright.
One place where the brightness on my SGS2 is on full ALL the time is outdoors (auto sensor) and in bright sun it's hard to see, which means the SGS3 will have worse viewing outdoors than the SGS2.
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Having a thinner glass means a lot. If your visibility is improved then you don't need to tune up the brightness as much to see. The type of glass you use also can help our hurt visibility. Think of the glass as a diffuser, when light hits it, it will actually be reflected and diffused throughout the glass, this goes both ways from the monitor and outdoor lighting hitting the screen. By thinning the glass and changing he type of material the glass is made of you can drastically improve visibility. I mean look at the iPhone 4S (541 c^2/m) vs the Galaxy S1 (354 c^2/m) and if I'm not mistaken the Lumia 900 has a pentile (390 c^2/m)
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Noki...martphone-crown-in-outdoor-visibility_id29918
Everyone assumes the Galaxy Nexus and SGS3 are the exact screens, but the way they look is not going to be the same at all. The screen itself is reported to be a bit different as you can see they have different brightness ratings. In addition, the SGS3 is sporting Gorilla Glass 2. Being brighter and having Gorilla Glass 2 will surely bump it up from the Galaxy Nexus screen. But we'll have to wait and see.
I'm sure there are a lot more factors as to what improves what and that's why the engineers went with what they did. In the end the screen probably won't beat the HOS in sharpness and will probably not be as good outdoor but it will be good enough in those areas and better in other areas like contrast. We'll have to wait and see more test done with the device.
Putting all the above aside, Samsung went with the SAMOLED because it helps them make thinner phones in addition to gorilla glass 2 being thinner it probably helped with the foot print in the unit itself to give us the SD card and removable battery and maintain the thinness of the device.
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Having a thinner glass means a lot. If your visibility is improved then you don't need to tune up the brightness as much to see/ The type of glass you use also can help our hurt visibility. I mean look at the iPhone 4S (541 c^2/m) vs the Galaxy S1 (354 c^2/m) and if I'm not mistaken the Lumia 900 has a pentile (390 c^2/m)
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But wouldn't the scope he used to perform the test have netted all the variables out? Unless the test he's using perceives brightness differently than the human eye I'd think the comparisons would be relevant? No?
As for thickness of the glass, it's based on application and ranges from .5MM to 2MM. 2 is 20% thinner than 1 which doesn't seem that meaninful in terms of improved device packaging.
As an engineer, you'll find these interesting. They're way over my head.
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/sites/all/files/GG2 PI Sheet Rev b_050912.pdf
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/sites/all/files/COR_GG_Prod_Brochure.pdf
SlimJ87D said:
Having a thinner glass means a lot. If your visibility is improved then you don't need to tune up the brightness as much to see. The type of glass you use also can help our hurt visibility. Think of the glass as a diffuser, when light hits it, it will actually be reflected and diffused throughout the glass, this goes both ways from the monitor and outdoor lighting hitting the screen. By thinning the glass and changing he type of material the glass is made of you can drastically improve visibility. I mean look at the iPhone 4S (541 c^2/m) vs the Galaxy S1 (354 c^2/m) and if I'm not mistaken the Lumia 900 has a pentile (390 c^2/m)
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Noki...martphone-crown-in-outdoor-visibility_id29918
Everyone assumes the Galaxy Nexus and SGS3 are the exact screens, but the way they look is not going to be the same at all. The screen itself is reported to be a bit different as you can see they have different brightness ratings. In addition, the SGS3 is sporting Gorilla Glass 2. Being brighter and having Gorilla Glass 2 will surely bump it up from the Galaxy Nexus screen. But we'll have to wait and see.
I'm sure there are a lot more factors as to what improves what and that's why the engineers went with what they did. In the end the screen probably won't beat the HOS in sharpness and will probably not be as good outdoor but it will be good enough in those areas and better in other areas like contrast. We'll have to wait and see more test done with the device.
Putting all the above aside, Samsung went with the SAMOLED because it helps them make thinner phones in addition to gorilla glass 2 being thinner it probably helped with the foot print in the unit itself to give us the SD card and removable battery and maintain the thinness of the device.
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Just a minor correction, the Lumia 900 uses an RGB stripe, not PenTile (I assume it's the exact same SAMOLED+ panel that was introduced with the I9100). The Lumia 800 has a smaller, PenTile screen.
About the Lumia's outdoor visibility, it's a result of their "ClearBlack" tech, which is a couple of polarizing filters behind the glass to reduce reflections of outside objects. Of course, thinner glass in the form of Gorilla Glass 2 should help as well.
My main hope is that what reviewers have said about the screen being better than the Nexus is true, especially that the usual PenTile graininess is less visible. I'm sure that the LCD2 on the HOX will remain the superior screen quantitatively, in terms of luminance and color reproduction, but that is not the whole story.
BarryH_GEG said:
But wouldn't the scope he used to perform the test have netted all the variables out? Unless the test he's using perceives brightness differently than the human eye I'd think the comparisons would be relevant? No?
As for thickness of the glass, it's based on application and ranges from .5MM to 2MM. 2 is 20% thinner than 1 which doesn't seem that meaninful in terms of improved device packaging.
As an engineer, you'll find these interesting. They're way over my head.
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/sites/all/files/GG2 PI Sheet Rev b_050912.pdf
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/sites/all/files/COR_GG_Prod_Brochure.pdf
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I'm not sure how the apertures work and measure things, visibility of the screen, light coming from the monitor and how the aperture works itself can all be different variables to be measured separately. If it bypasses through the glass and measures off the the panel itself or does it take into account the glass.
Like the test with the Lumia, Galaxy and iPhone. The brightness was measured seprrately and the visibility factor was done by controlling the environment itself by exposing the phones to different exterior brightness levels. They are actually determining outdoor visibility with photography rather than using an aperture, scope or device. So that I believe shows that brightness and outdoor viability should be independent of each other as they were controlled differently.
I had modified my original post to add this about how I have seen glass affect the military displays. "Think of the glass as a diffuser, when light hits it, it will actually be reflected and diffused throughout the glass, this goes both ways from the monitor and outdoor lighting hitting the screen. By thinning the glass and changing he type of material the glass is made of you can drastically improve visibility." There's also other factors such as how the glass is chemically cleaned on the surface and what kind of finish they add to the surface itself.
I wish I could answer more questions but I only have about 1.5 years of experience in this field as I was working on consumer products with no displays beforehand. I will take a look at those links after I eat dinner. Thank you, I've been looking for the test procedures of the gorilla glass.
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teiglin said:
Just a minor correction, the Lumia 900 uses an RGB stripe, not PenTile (I assume it's the exact same SAMOLED+ panel that was introduced with the I9100). The Lumia 800 has a smaller, PenTile screen.
About the Lumia's outdoor visibility, it's a result of their "ClearBlack" tech, which is a couple of polarizing filters behind the glass to reduce reflections of outside objects. Of course, thinner glass in the form of Gorilla Glass 2 should help as well.
My main hope is that what reviewers have said about the screen being better than the Nexus is true, especially that the usual PenTile graininess is less visible. I'm sure that the LCD2 on the HOX will remain the superior screen quantitatively, in terms of luminance and color reproduction, but that is not the whole story.
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Thanks for the correction. I haven't read or researched the Lumia as it runs windows...
ilostmypistons said:
Do the numbers always translate into how beautiful a display is? Serious question Ive never really paid attention.
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Numbers does reflect how beautiful a display will be. But it won't matter to most of average users like me. In fact, I never pay to much attention on the screen to avoid over stress my eyes.
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Screens have gotten so good anymore I don't care. I guess I have to recognize I'm the out guy on this because you see so many people complain about the quality of the screen on various modern phones but its been a few handsets since I haven't been completely satisfied with the screen.
yep battery technology are holding phones evolution imho
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Screens have gotten so good anymore I don't care. I guess I have to recognize I'm the out guy on this because you see so many people complain about the quality of the screen on various modern phones but its been a few handsets since I haven't been completely satisfied with the screen.
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I would have to agree with you for the most part. I currently own the ipad 3 and the GS1. When it comes to text and sharpness, there is no challenge, ipad 3 owns my gs1. But in terms of pictures and videos, even my humble GS1 screens owns the lcd on my ipad (both made by samsung)
In the case of the GS3, it has a HD 720P over 300PPI. Texts will be crystal clear and sharp all the while giving me superior amoled video and picture qualities. Thats why I will never own another lcd screen given a choice. (didn't really have a choice with a tablet since ipad 3 was the best tablet to get)
Have you seen the 500px app on an amoled? It's freakin amazing. Much more than on my ipad 3. I doubt One X has a better screen than ipad 3 which has some serious color spectrum coverage.
As far as i'm aware the GS3 gas the same screen tech as the Galaxy Nexus, only that it's a little bit bigger. Does this mean that we can expect the same "burn in" issues as well...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1509123
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I remember a while back there was an article on Ars Technica (can't link yet, but google "ars Secrets of the Nexus One's screen" and you'll find it) about the Nexus One's AMOLED screen. They talked about how the AMOLED screen technology/layout resulted in text that wasn't as sharp as on the Motorola Droid. I'm curious if this is still a concern with Super AMOLED technology, as with the Epic 4G?
I'm looking to upgrade from my Palm Pre in the next few weeks (hoping the Epic 4G is out by then), but I'm hoping to do some background research before that. I use my phone quite a bit for web browsing now, and would probably increase that usage on a phone with a bigger screen and better browser. I'm also looking forward to being able to use Kindle's software for Android. Bottom line is that I know I'll be reading a LOT of text on my phone. Super AMOLED is supposed to be incredible for pictures and video, but if it's lackluster on text, it's not as useful to me.
If any of you have any thoughts or experiences regarding this issue (if it still is one on Super AMOLED), I'd love to hear it. Thanks!
Yes, it's still an issue.
SAMOLED Pentil subpixel layout makes text look jaggad compared to LCD. The reason for this is that the true addressable resolution of SAMOLED displays is not 480x480 but 393x653. This is the one drawback of this display. See my other posts where i compared the LCD of the EVO vs the Galaxy S. Additional problems are screen burn in and poor power consumption for mobile devices. Text on white backround (web browsing, document viewing) consumes 330% more power than LCD. The color saturation, contrast, black level, and viewing angles are stunning though.
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SAMOLED Pentil subpixel layout makes text look jaggad compared to LCD. The reason for this is that the true addressable resolution of SAMOLED displays is not 480x480 but 393x653. This is the one drawback of this display. See my other posts where i compared the LCD of the EVO vs the Galaxy S. Additional problems are screen burn in and poor power consumption for mobile devices. Text on white backround (web browsing, document viewing) consumes 330% more power than LCD. The color saturation, contrast, black level, and viewing angles are stunning though.
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I checked out your "Galaxy S (Epic, Captivate etc) VS EVO Comparison and thoughts" thread and it was an excellent overview. I'm leaning towards the Evo for the larger screen and better text readability. I'm out of town right now, but when I get back home next week I might try to track down an Evo somewhere. If the Epic comes out within the 30 day trial period, I'll check it out then.
The main things tempting me with the Epic are the nicer CPU & GPU, but I'm pretty sure I'll be happy regardless after being on my sluggish Pre for a year. If only Palm had been bought by someone who could have brought some of WebOS's features to Android (I think I'll miss having cards and gestures). Either way, both look like excellent phones and I'm anxious to get started with Android.
Thanks for the feedback!
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SAMOLED Pentil subpixel layout makes text look jaggad compared to LCD. The reason for this is that the true addressable resolution of SAMOLED displays is not 480x480 but 393x653.
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If that's the reason that it comes out like that, will the text be fixed when Android Gingerbread comes out? I've heard that gingerbread changes the resolution, but I don't know if that's true.
EnderTheThird said:
I checked out your "Galaxy S (Epic, Captivate etc) VS EVO Comparison and thoughts" thread and it was an excellent overview. I'm leaning towards the Evo for the larger screen and better text readability. I'm out of town right now, but when I get back home next week I might try to track down an Evo somewhere. If the Epic comes out within the 30 day trial period, I'll check it out then.
The main things tempting me with the Epic are the nicer CPU & GPU, but I'm pretty sure I'll be happy regardless after being on my sluggish Pre for a year. If only Palm had been bought by someone who could have brought some of WebOS's features to Android (I think I'll miss having cards and gestures). Either way, both look like excellent phones and I'm anxious to get started with Android.
Thanks for the feedback!
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Visit a T-Mobile or AT&T store and look at the Captivate and/or the Vibrant..the Epic will have the same screen..once you see it you can judge for yourself...the text may not be as sharp but it may be acceptable by your use...so its worth checking..
I have a evo and do pretty much nothing but text reading (ebooks and the web). Text is very easy to read and I have not noticed any eye strain yet.
That sucks about super amoled not doing text well.
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gTen said:
Visit a T-Mobile or AT&T store and look at the Captivate and/or the Vibrant..the Epic will have the same screen..once you see it you can judge for yourself...the text may not be as sharp but it may be acceptable by your use...so its worth checking..
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I tried doing that at a Best Buy yesterday but someone had stolen their demo unit(s). Apparently it's one of the more ghetto Best Buys in Boston. Who knew. I'll be checking it out when I get back home for sure though.
Hmmmm.... I went to the AT&T store last week, to check out the captivate and I didn't notice any problem in reading the text personally. I haven't made the switch to a smartphone yet so maybe my eyes are too inexperienced to notice something like that, but I'm pretty sure I'll be happy with my future Epic 4G
I have the captivate and yes, text on it is not as crisp as on the droid or droid x. But is it an issue, no. On really light colored backgrounds like white or light grey, if you look hard for it, you can see some fuzziness. But on colorful backgrounds you really cant see it. I can tell you, its a beautiful screen. Overall it looks better than the droid x, which has been described as dull or drab. The colors on the S-AMOLED really pop, and the fact that its an OLED means that black backgrounds are really true black (complete absence of light).
In my opinion its the second best display available, second only to the iphone4 display.
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In my opinion its the second best display available, second only to the iphone4 display.
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Why would you say the retena display is better?
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Why would you say the retena display is better?
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The only way the retina display is better is if you're reading text from under 10" away from your face, but then again who the heck reads with a phone up in their face? I read alot of e-books and other sites and I can tell you reading a page from a normal distance there is little to no difference.
As far as video playback and pictures the Samsung blows the retina display out of the water and by leaps and bounds is the #1 screen in the phone market hands down.
i have to agree that retina display looks better in my opinion. I have pretty good eyesight so that may be why. However, it doesn't make a difference in eyestrain or readability.
I own a captivate and read ebooks on a white background regularly. Its honestly not an issue.
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i have to agree that retina display looks better in my opinion. I have pretty good eyesight so that may be why. However, it doesn't make a difference in eyestrain or readability.
I own a captivate and read ebooks on a white background regularly. Its honestly not an issue.
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I'm more worried about screen-burn in, which is a very big problem for S-Amoled//Amoled screens.
With less than a year's use of my Nexus One, there is a slight amount of screen burn in, which isn't really avoidable.
NeonMonster said:
I'm more worried about screen-burn in, which is a very big problem for S-Amoled//Amoled screens.
With less than a year's use of my Nexus One, there is a slight amount of screen burn in, which isn't really avoidable.
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Screen burn ins were only a real problem with the early model amoled screens, much like plasma HDTV the screen tech has evolved and it doesn't hurt that the Super Amoled screens are developed by Samsung which are global HDTV innovators.
Besides for screen burn in to become permanent the screen would have to be on for hours on a static image, on a HDTV I can see that happening if you fall asleep maybe but who on earth turns off their phone's screen timeout and let's the screen stay on all day chugging battery life? That just won't happen.
I'm FAR more worried about the phone's future in regard of updates than I am of screen burn in on a mobile device. Not to mention you have a warranty which 100% covers such a thing as screen burn in and if you do happen to burn in a screen it usually happens sooner rather than later.
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I'm FAR more worried about the phone's future in regard of updates than I am of screen burn in on a mobile device.
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I wouldn't be worried about that if I were you. The Galaxy S series is on all four major US carriers and will undoubtedly get a pretty large hacker following, so even if Samsung does stop updating the Galaxy S phones, there will always be cyanogenmod or many other custom ROMS. And if you're posting here, rooting your phone and installing a custom ROM shouldn't be a huge deal.
Sebrina said:
Screen burn ins were only a real problem with the early model amoled screens, much like plasma HDTV the screen tech has evolved and it doesn't hurt that the Super Amoled screens are developed by Samsung which are global HDTV innovators.
Besides for screen burn in to become permanent the screen would have to be on for hours on a static image, on a HDTV I can see that happening if you fall asleep maybe but who on earth turns off their phone's screen timeout and let's the screen stay on all day chugging battery life? That just won't happen.
I'm FAR more worried about the phone's future in regard of updates than I am of screen burn in on a mobile device. Not to mention you have a warranty which 100% covers such a thing as screen burn in and if you do happen to burn in a screen it usually happens sooner rather than later.
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It is not possible to have permanent screen burn in..as for temporary one...even LCDs state not to keep the same image on for too long to avoid temp burn-ins...
As for updates...we are not sure how much of a bone Samsung will give, but at the moment, event the Sprint Moment has gotten a Foyo 2.2 by the community.
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SAMOLED Pentil subpixel layout makes text look jaggad compared to LCD. The reason for this is that the true addressable resolution of SAMOLED displays is not 480x480 but 393x653. This is the one drawback of this display. See my other posts where i compared the LCD of the EVO vs the Galaxy S. Additional problems are screen burn in and poor power consumption for mobile devices. Text on white backround (web browsing, document viewing) consumes 330% more power than LCD. The color saturation, contrast, black level, and viewing angles are stunning though.
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Is that 330% more power figure accurate for the GS screens, I was under the impression that they are different than all previous devices? I read a lot of text in my personal usage. I wonder if an app could be developed to make all white pixels black and black white? Although white text isn't ideal if it amounted to 350% power savings my eyes/brain could adapt eventually?
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I wouldn't be worried about that if I were you. The Galaxy S series is on all four major US carriers and will undoubtedly get a pretty large hacker following, so even if Samsung does stop updating the Galaxy S phones, there will always be cyanogenmod or many other custom ROMS. And if you're posting here, rooting your phone and installing a custom ROM shouldn't be a huge deal.
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I heard that samsung encrypts the hardware drivers so it's not very easy to port new android versions.. Is this not an issue?
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Is that 330% more power figure accurate for the GS screens, I was under the impression that they are different than all previous devices? I read a lot of text in my personal usage. I wonder if an app could be developed to make all white pixels black and black white? Although white text isn't ideal if it amounted to 350% power savings my eyes/brain could adapt eventually?
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Well that is for the regular AMOLED screen...the Super AMOLED screen would most likely be around like 260% for that..but you gotta realize that your screen will never be FULLY pure white like that...the next revision of Super AMOLED(for 2011 plans to go RGBW to fix that).
Either way you'd never have so much white on the screen for it to waist that much energy...
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I heard that samsung encrypts the hardware drivers so it's not very easy to port new android versions.. Is this not an issue?
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It does not make it easy but not impossible...if they release a Galaxy S 2 in the future with Gingerbread or any other phone with it and don't do Gingerbread for Galaxy S..with some effort it would be possible to port it...
I have a galaxy SII and i compare the screen with a galaxy nexus of my friend to see the difference between 800x480 and 1280x720.
We notice the SII has a better detail everywhere youtube,movie..colors are much brighter too!!only texts is sharper in nexus..
I can't understand why samsung launched SIII with super amoled pentile display and make it(probably) worst than SII?super amoled plus is faarrrr wayyyyy a head...what is your opinion?
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I have a galaxy SII and i compare the screen with a galaxy nexus of my friend to see the difference between 800x480 and 1280x720.
We notice the SII has a better detail everywhere youtube,movie..colors are much brighter too!!only texts is sharper in nexus..
I can't understand why samsung launched SIII with super amoled pentile display and make it(probably) worst than SII?super amoled plus is faarrrr wayyyyy a head...what is your opinion?
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Seriously?
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alexanter the great said:
I have a galaxy SII and i compare the screen with a galaxy nexus of my friend to see the difference between 800x480 and 1280x720.
We notice the SII has a better detail everywhere youtube,movie..colors are much brighter too!!only texts is sharper in nexus..
I can't understand why samsung launched SIII with super amoled pentile display and make it(probably) worst than SII?super amoled plus is faarrrr wayyyyy a head...what is your opinion?
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"...faarrr wayyy a head..."
You don't want to know my opinion on your post. Seriously.
Humm.. I don't know i found this in gsmarena. You see the values for GS3 and Nexus are different. I don't know if the display would be the same.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_vs_htc_one_x-review-759p2.php
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alexanter the great said:
I have a galaxy SII and i compare the screen with a galaxy nexus of my friend to see the difference between 800x480 and 1280x720.
We notice the SII has a better detail everywhere youtube,movie..colors are much brighter too!!only texts is sharper in nexus..
I can't understand why samsung launched SIII with super amoled pentile display and make it(probably) worst than SII?super amoled plus is faarrrr wayyyyy a head...what is your opinion?
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You are kidding me right?
Look at my signature and i will tell you right now that Note's screen blows away Galaxy SII's
Oddly enough, i prefer Note's screen over the Nexus. Maybe because of the ability to adjust the color temp or the fact that it's larger
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I have a galaxy SII and i compare the screen with a galaxy nexus of my friend to see the difference between 800x480 and 1280x720.
We notice the SII has a better detail everywhere youtube,movie..colors are much brighter too!!only texts is sharper in nexus..
I can't understand why samsung launched SIII with super amoled pentile display and make it(probably) worst than SII?super amoled plus is faarrrr wayyyyy a head...what is your opinion?
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DOOOOOOOOOOOOOD! It's frowned upon to state your opinion on the SIII screen / phone / hardware in any way, shape or form, in a negative manner in the SIII forum. Even if it is just your own opinion. Will you never learn!?!?!?
But in all seriousness, Google how to start up an online blog and I'll gladly subscribe.
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DOOOOOOOOOOOOOD! It's frowned upon to state your opinion on the SIII screen / phone / hardware in any way, shape or form, in a negative manner in the SIII forum. Even if it is just your own opinion. Will you never learn!?!?!?
But in all seriousness, Google how to start up an online blog and I'll gladly subscribe.
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I've complained about the GalNex in the Galaxy Nexus forum and i wasn't alone in the way i felt but he's pretty much alone here
alexanter the great said:
I have a galaxy SII and i compare the screen with a galaxy nexus of my friend to see the difference between 800x480 and 1280x720.
We notice the SII has a better detail everywhere youtube,movie..colors are much brighter too!!only texts is sharper in nexus..
I can't understand why samsung launched SIII with super amoled pentile display and make it(probably) worst than SII?super amoled plus is faarrrr wayyyyy a head...what is your opinion?
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I think you need to do tons of research before you come and make such claims.
SGS3 =/= Galaxy Nexus display wise.
Manufacturing of the SGS3's display has been improved upon in comparison to GN in addition to the different light levels, the SGS3 uses Gorilla Glass 2 which is thinner giving it less light diffusion in the glass giving it better view ability.
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DOOOOOOOOOOOOOD! It's frowned upon to state your opinion on the SIII screen / phone / hardware in any way, shape or form, in a negative manner in the SIII forum. Even if it is just your own opinion. Will you never learn!?!?!?
But in all seriousness, Google how to start up an online blog and I'll gladly subscribe.
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The problem isn't people giving their "opinion" but people claiming their opinions as 'facts" with no evidence. The OP is obviously assuming the GN and the SGS3 have the same kind of screen otherwise why wouldn't he post this in the GN forum?
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You are kidding me right?
Look at my signature and i will tell you right now that Note's screen blows away Galaxy SII's
Oddly enough, i prefer Note's screen over the Nexus. Maybe because of the ability to adjust the color temp or the fact that it's larger
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+1, went to a phone store today, took a good look at the Note's screen, it's nothing short of amazing. I'm not afraid anymore of the S3's screen, since it basicly will be a smaller version of the Note's screen. Also a few good reviews showed me that the S3's screen is one of the best ever.
I love it how human's work. They hear the word "pentile" and like sheep everybody starts saying it's "so bad, so bad", while many probably don't even know what it is. This entire pentile madness needs to stop. Just take a look at the screen and if you like it, buy it. If not, don't.
I loved it how a website that reviewed the S3 already gave the phone to some people and lied to them that it's "not pentile", they loved it an all (while they also go crazy when knowing a screen is pentile, they say they can see pixels and ****). Then afterwards, the guy told those people it's actually pentile xD I have a strong feeling it's all placebo effect.
Yet another pointless and poorly written thread to discuss one of the least important aspects of a PHONE...whether the HIGH DEFINITION screen on a PHONE is good enough for you to get through your day. First world problems to the extreme.
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Yet another pointless and poorly written thread to discuss one of the least important aspects of a PHONE...whether the HIGH DEFINITION screen on a PHONE is good enough for you to get through your day. First world problems to the extreme.
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Least important? I beg to differ
On touchscreen device, nothing is more important than the screen itself
I was worried about the screen after reading random people complain about it here, after reading some reviews and looking at the screen comparison here i dont see any reason to worry.
mobile-review.com/review/samsung-galaxy-s3-fl-en.shtml
I will be buying a Samsung S3 over the HTX One X and the Samsung S2 for that matter
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Humm.. I don't know i found this in gsmarena. You see the values for GS3 and Nexus are different. I don't know if the display would be the same.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_vs_htc_one_x-review-759p2.php
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I guess the difference in brightness could be contributed, partially at least, to the fact that the S3 has Gorilla Glass2, which can be used in thinner sheets without sacrificing strenght.
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Least important? I beg to differ
On touchscreen device, nothing is more important than the screen itself
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You know exactly what I meant. You mean to say that if the HD screen on your phone isn't as sharp as a high end IPS LCD then that somehow limits your ability to use your touchscreen device? Pure rubbish. This is a PHONE, not a digital movie screen.
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Humm.. I don't know i found this in gsmarena. You see the values for GS3 and Nexus are different. I don't know if the display would be the same.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_vs_htc_one_x-review-759p2.php
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in case of this table, the galaxy note has a much better screen than sgs3
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I guess the difference in brightness could be contributed, partially at least, to the fact that the S3 has Gorilla Glass2, which can be used in thinner sheets without sacrificing strenght.
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No, it just makes it more vieawable. The glass has nothing to do with the brightness. They are different factors.
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I was worried about the screen after reading random people complain about it here, after reading some reviews and looking at the screen comparison here i dont see any reason to worry.
mobile-review.com/review/samsung-galaxy-s3-fl-en.shtml
I will be buying a Samsung S3 over the HTX One X and the Samsung S2 for that matter
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Thank you so much buddy. I pre-ordered one but when i saw this post i was truly worried about the Screen. I am using Galaxy s2 at the moment. After looking at the pictures in mobile-review i confidently say Galaxy s3's display is the best of all in terms of color saturation and Vividness.
Guys please take a look at the sample pics. I don't see any reason to worry S3 has the best display of all. I think most us are worried about retaining the saturated colors in S2, yes it is retained. See the images.
the thing is gnexus has lower brightness than s3 so it might be the cause. If not you are one among the few rare candidates who can see the pentile matrix directly without any lens, so its better for you to stay away from s3.
btw does thing thing need a new thread?
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No, it just makes it more vieawable. The glass has nothing to do with the brightness. They are different factors.
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Well i cut this from Cornings site:
"Corning Gorilla Glass 2 enables up to a 20 percent reduction in glass thickness, while maintaining the industry-leading damage resistance, toughness, and scratch resistance customers have come to expect from the world’s most widely deployed cover glass. The thinner Gorilla Glass 2 enables slimmer and sleeker devices, brighter images, and greater touch sensitivity. These benefits can provide electronics manufacturers with superior design flexibility as they address consumer demand for increasingly high-performing, touch-sensitive, and durable mobile devices."
If Gorillaglass 2 allows for a 20% reduction in thickness compared to the original Gorillaglass, one would think it should increase the brightness a bit. I'm not saying its the whole story, but they do infact mention that it enables brighter images in the exerpt above.
This is an article Posted on 23 Apr 2013 at 09:47, by Gareth Halfacree -> HERE
Given the choice would you take the flexible low resolution (shock resistant) screen or the Glass high resolution(more fragile)?
Galaxy Note 3 may launch with flexible display according to OLED Association
Samsung's upcoming Galaxy Note 3 will apparently launch with a flexible display, providing a reduction in thickness as well as significant protection against impacts.
Samsung's top-end smartphones have long used organic light-emitting diode (OLED) displays, which provide a higher level of contrast and lower power draw than traditional liquid-crystal displays. OLED displays work without a backlight, with each pixel emitting its own light.
For some years, the company has been working on flexible and transparent display technologies. It showed off a plastic-based flexible liquid-crystal display as far back as 2005, promising that commercial applications would be seen very shortly. Sadly, the leap never happened: Samsung's products continue to use AMOLED displays protected by toughened glass, which can shatter if hit hard enough or at the right angle.
Rumours that the Galaxy Note 3, the company's upcoming phablet device, would be the first to include a flexible display have been given weight by the OLED Association, which has suggested the device will launch with a 5.9in or larger plastic-based OLED display. Compared to the company's glass-backed technology, as found in the current-generation Galaxy Note 2, the site believes that the plastic version could knock almost 1.5 millimetres off the thickness of the device, as well as reducing its weight.
One of the biggest advantages to the plastic-backed display technology is its flexibility: while the entire smartphone won't bend, the screen will be able to deform to better absorb impacts. This means the device should be able to withstand being dropped from a height that would shatter the glass of the Galaxy Note 2 without difficulty.
The OLED Association does warn that there could be a trade-off in the use of a plastic display, however: resolution. The current trend is towards offering Full HD 1,080x1,920 resolution displays in smartphones and tablets, but the site says it is unlikely that Samsung would be able to mass-produce a plastic-backed display at these resolutions by the time the Galaxy Note 3 launches towards the end of the year. As a result, it's possible that the Galaxy Note 3 will launch with a lower resolution - or be available with a plastic display in some regions and a glass display in others, splitting the market in a similar manner to its Galaxy S4 which ships with a quad-core chip in the UK and with an eight-core Exynos 5 Octa elsewhere.
Samsung, for its part, has refused to comment on the rumours, but with the Galaxy Note 3 expected to launch before the year is out fans of the company's Note range shouldn't have long to wait.
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The First Flexible AMOLED Display to be launched in Q4’2013
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Glass! I don't really mind that bit of inconvenience. I hope they release a non Note line to perform their experimentation on and when they perfect it, they can bring it to the main Note/Galaxy line. I don't mind the glass at all, hope the develop a method to implement 1080p RGB SAMOLED on Note III, that'd kick ass.
I am pretty comfortable with 720p, right now I don't want more resolution but faster performance for games, going to 1080 will kill that and we will have the same or worse than in note 2.
720p for me without pentile it is more than enough. I see 1080p as a marketing tool rather than a useful feature.
This reminds me of old resistive plastic screens when they would get very easily scratched, Thank you very much but no I will never buy a phone with plastic screen I like the smooth touch feeling of the glass and will stick with it.
I dont think is likely since we are going to use a pen. And the pressure at the tip of the pen is very high compared to a finger and most likely to easely scratch a plastic screen over a short time period plus that i cant imagine drawing on a soft screen would be a pleasant experience
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http://oled-a.org/news_details.cfm?ID=783
Confirmed, Note III is going to have flexible OLED display.
tuxonhtc said:
http://oled-a.org/news_details.cfm?ID=783
Confirmed, Note III is going to have flexible OLED display.
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Interesting, I don't know if I should be happy or not.
They won't be able to produce enough flexible OLED for everybody so they will have to split the market.
Does this mean the Flexible OLED version phones will have bigger battery?
Flexible OLEDs will consume less battery, surely? But I won't be terribly happy to go back to those 2100 mA batteries just because it's power efficient to be honest. If the market is split, I would gladly go for non plastic OLED if it has larger battery and large screen.
Will I think no one will notes the changes between the two screens only the power consumed and the power of taking hits on it ... the feel will be the same ad thy both have yhe same finishing ..
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Flexible OLEDs will consume less battery, surely? But I won't be terribly happy to go back to those 2100 mA batteries just because it's power efficient to be honest. If the market is split, I would gladly go for non plastic OLED if it has larger battery and large screen.
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Look at the picture, the battery will be bigger. Since the screen is so much thinner there is more place for the battery AND the screen consumes less battery so the battery life should(in theory) be much better.:laugh:
I don't care all that much about going to 1080p as 720p is already VERY good, I don't care at all about getting some extra bit of battery as the present one is already pretty good and I use extra batteries and NEVER charge the phone anyway, I do care about a lighter and tougher smartphone BUT the main point of these rumors are for me the screen dimensions: I am really, REALLY hoping that it won't be just 5.9" (especially seeing that the Mega is coming out with a 6.3" display which would be an IDEAL size for me).
Although I don't see them doing so, it would be perfect if they offered a 5.8" and a 6.3" Note III as they are doing with the Mega...
Damn you Samsung. I didn't want to upgrade this year. Now it's gonna be a whole lot harder to resist the urge.
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Seriously people don't have anything else to do than just editing their build.prop(s) ,but the top result looks interesting ,more likely to be another fake though.
I'm late to this discussion, but ... I just don't understand what all the excitement is over flexible screens. Aside from being THEORETICALLY harder to break, what's the advantage? Even if the screen is flexible, the rest of the phone ain't! The frame, the case, the circuit board, the battery -- none of those are gonna flex, so what's all the excitement about? It's just another marketing gimmick, if you ask me.
Gimme 1020p and I don't care whether the screen is flexible or not.
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iCurmudgeon said:
I'm late to this discussion, but ... I just don't understand what all the excitement is over flexible screens. Aside from being THEORETICALLY harder to break, what's the advantage? Even if the screen is flexible, the rest of the phone ain't! The frame, the case, the circuit board, the battery -- none of those are gonna flex, so what's all the excitement about? It's just another marketing gimmick, if you ask me.
Gimme 1020p and I don't care whether the screen is flexible or not.
mudge
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Well besides the fact that a replacement screen is costly and having a unbreakable screen is very useful, another HUGE advantage of the flexible screen(too bad you didn't read before posting) is the thickness. The flexible screen is 1.5mm thinner than the already thin glass OLED allowing for more room for a bigger battery in a same size phone.
Note 3 will be announced around July/August, and the screen says Q4. Doesn't make any sense.
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Note 3 will be announced around July/August, and the screen says Q4. Doesn't make any sense.
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Actually the announced date have been changed since the OP. It was originally set for September but recent rumors is setting it for mid-summer.
No way midsummer....they have to ride the S4 sales ride out...
I doubt they would let this debut on a flagship, it would spell their doom if this is in any way imperfect.
They would probably introduce this on another phone, and depending on it's reception implement it in their future devices.
Like the Samsung beam, not every needs these features.
It could go the way of 3D on phones
... Not enough to make me regret my purchase of the HTC One.
My previous phone was a S3, which I absolutely loved and had me seriously excited about the S4. However, holding the one I knew which one to go for. Had my one for about 2 weeks now, and I love it but had that niggling worry that I'd regret my decision.
Today, that worry was cleared up.
The Samsung rep visited us today with an s4. and I got to play with it for a short while. Yes, the ability to interact with the screen without touching it is pretty cool, but apart from the lock screen I started getting frustrated with it (kept touching the screen). The health app is very nice, and laid out really well, but like many of the other features, its just not something I need or want.
The actual UI felt laggy, like it was running slower that 24fps. Switching through home pages on both devices at the same time and it just looked smoother on the One. The Samsung rep said he felt otherwise but he is paid to say that
The screen on the S4, in my opinion is much nicer than the one on my One. Granted, the One has quite a dark coloured interface and the S4 has a very colourful vibrant interface, but I just felt the colours were much more alive than on the One.
The build quality is nice on the S4, with all completely uniform gaps around the device, where as the one has gaps etc. However, the S4 does indeed feel cheap to hold. The texture of the plastic doesn't feel amazing, the weight is nice but just lacks that... premium feel.
I know most of these points (if not all) have been covered on reviews etc. but I thought it might be nice to put my 2 pence in as a HTC One owner and previous Samsung user. I do not regret my purchase and still feel I have bought the better device for my own needs and wants.
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cool story bro
For balance just to say my One has no gaps, perfect build.
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To be fair I'd love a display with a bezel like the S4 but wouldn't sacrifice the quality of the screen in the One for a S4 display.
The thing is..the screen on the S4 is OLED so the colours will look far more vibrant but, they wont be accurate and its a pentile display. I am quite keen to get my hands on an S4 just to see what its like.
I would say the HTC One is like a Rolls Royce Phantom and the S4 like a Nissan GTR.
Goof choice. I was on deciding which phone to get for a month. Chose the HTC one . Boom sound is awesome. Sense is pretttyyyyy compared to touchwiz. For 649 vs 750 for a s4, it was a no brainer for me. Also im going to sell hundreds of s4 throughout this year anyways lol
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I would say the HTC One is like a Rolls Royce Phantom and the S4 like a Nissan GTR.
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I hope note as I would prefer the GTR
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Some nice info there mate! I think the only thing i prefer on the S4 is the AMOLED display.
Can i ask a question? Before i do, i know the S4 has improved ALOT on the PPI on the display, however, when i had the S3 i also had my One X, when holding them together, the screen on the One X was such much clearer! Much harder to see the Pixels, but on the S3 the pixels stood out like a sore thumb? Was this something you noticed on the S4 compared to the One? Or have they dramatically improved on this and its now similar to HTC? This is something i would like to know.
My HTC One has no gaps at all.
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Some nice info there mate! I think the only thing i prefer on the S4 is the AMOLED display.
Can i ask a question? Before i do, i know the S4 has improved ALOT on the PPI on the display, however, when i had the S3 i also had my One X, when holding them together, the screen on the One X was such much clearer! Much harder to see the Pixels, but on the S3 the pixels stood out like a sore thumb? Was this something you noticed on the S4 compared to the One? Or have they dramatically improved on this and its now similar to HTC? This is something i would like to know.
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I was curious about this too, as I had hopes AMOLED had been improved. But honestly I see the same flaws as on earlier iterations:
Dirty whites (turquoise), even in film mode (early measurements reported accurate color temperature, but if you look at it, it is clear that RGB balance is off) - most colorimeters can't measure OLED correctly.
Quite a bit dimmer than the best LCD displays
Discoloration with off axis viewing
Are you sure you prefer the AMOLED screen? I have had an AMOLED for the last 2 years and I can't look at them anymore. AMOLED were OK when LCD's were dimmer, but now the gap is huge.
Honestly, if you can, try browsing the same web pages in parallel on the S4 and the One. It is literally "night and day". It doesn't need to be outdoor. Even in the store the HTC One's screen strikes you as the more vibrant one. I will likely be measuring the S4's screen myself because I don't believe those early measurements that showed a 6500K color temperature. The screen has a green push even in film mode...
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The actual UI felt laggy, like it was running slower that 24fps. Switching through home pages on both devices at the same time and it just looked smoother on the One. The Samsung rep said he felt otherwise but he is paid to say that
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I also saw that!!! I was very surprised by this considering my S2 had a smooth experience. I don't know if the overclocking created voltage throttling but it was as you said, laggy and reminded me of the HTC One X when it first started. The browsing experience was horrible.
Are people here actually really paying attention to the S4 screen characteristics?
Firstly, pentile is IRRELEVANT at this PPI.
Second, colour accuracy is good and excellent in the Adobe RGB and Movie modes respectively. Whites are FAR more accurate than the HTC One.
Maximum brightness is less than the One, however sunlight legibility is essentially equivalent due to decreased screen reflectance.
Some fresh reading at Display Mate about it, for those who aren't satisfied with the several 'early' measurements taken by a number of sites.
I know everyone in this forum wants to straight up believe the HTC One has a far superior screen, but it just ain't so folks. Don't get me wrong, the One also has a truly excellent screen, but I just don't see its screen as being a selling point or differentiator in comparison to the S4 screen (neither do I think the S4 screen should be used as a rationale to buy an S4 over an HTC, they're both excellent).
The new oled screen in the S4 is amazingly good. It's actually far superior to the S3 screen.
I played with it on Sunday and I like it.
It's really nice and it will definately sell really well. I love the fact that they added easy mode. This will be such a great way to get noobies to switch to a smartphone($$).
I still prefer the One and I hope it does well. I feel like the One is meant for a different type of user. Samsung is for the mass and the HTC is for those who care.
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Are people here actually really paying attention to the S4 screen characteristics?
Firstly, pentile is IRRELEVANT at this PPI.
Second, colour accuracy is good and excellent in the Adobe RGB and Movie modes respectively. Whites are FAR more accurate than the HTC One.
Maximum brightness is less than the One, however sunlight legibility is essentially equivalent due to decreased screen reflectance.
Some fresh reading at Display Mate about it, for those who aren't satisfied with the several 'early' measurements taken by a number of sites.
I know everyone in this forum wants to straight up believe the HTC One has a far superior screen, but it just ain't so folks. Don't get me wrong, the One also has a truly excellent screen, but I just don't see its screen as being a selling point or differentiator in comparison to the S4 screen (neither do I think the S4 screen should be used as a rationale to buy an S4 over an HTC, they're both excellent).
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I have seen the display mate contribution. I like their approach but I don't agree with their conclusions (and it should be noted they have been fierce promoters of OLED displays since the Galaxy S came about).
For one, they fail to mention that even though the measured white color temperature is close to 6500K, the whites actually suffer from greenish cast - so pentile does matter, as there is a discoloration depending on how you look at the screen, and sadly, looking straight at the screen shows a turquoise veil whereas looking more from the side seemed to clean the screen a little from its dirty whites.
Second, the auto-adjust brightness feature taxes the battery so much that no one in their right mind will use it on the go.
When measuring pentile OLED displays it is important to note:
The orientation of the meter has an impact on the measurement, especially on screens with asymmetric structure such as pentile screens...this is something that I would like to quantify on the S4 when I get a chance
Colorimeters will not measure OLED displays correctly out of the box (this point is not relevant here, though, because I think Displaymate used CS-200 spectrophotometer)
So the theory is one thing, but the practice is completely different story. Please believe me that when I saw the measurements made by Displaymate and others I was quite enthusiastic (my S2 does not track as accurately). But while testing both screens in a real life situation, it became very clear to me the AMOLED screen did not live up to its alleged qualities, even in film mode.
Regarding peak brightness, HTC One also has an adaptative brightness mechanism with peak brightness at 530cd/m², but in daily use it is more around 460cd/m². Regardless, the lack of brightness is not totally offset by the better reflectance value, so OLED displays still are poorer performers outdoor and it is even worse indoor under moderate lightning as the S4 does not tap into its peak brightness at any time...
So my question to you. Have you been to a shop to compare both devices and if so, can you in good faith maintain that the HTC One's display does not trounce the S4's AMOLED? The difference was shocking to me. At first I thought it was down to my particular unit but seeing as someone is reporting the same experience, I think this is the screen as it is on any S4 device.
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cool story bro
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wow really?
NZtechfreak said:
Are people here actually really paying attention to the S4 screen characteristics?
Firstly, pentile is IRRELEVANT at this PPI.
Second, colour accuracy is good and excellent in the Adobe RGB and Movie modes respectively. Whites are FAR more accurate than the HTC One.
Maximum brightness is less than the One, however sunlight legibility is essentially equivalent due to decreased screen reflectance.
Some fresh reading at Display Mate about it, for those who aren't satisfied with the several 'early' measurements taken by a number of sites.
I know everyone in this forum wants to straight up believe the HTC One has a far superior screen, but it just ain't so folks. Don't get me wrong, the One also has a truly excellent screen, but I just don't see its screen as being a selling point or differentiator in comparison to the S4 screen (neither do I think the S4 screen should be used as a rationale to buy an S4 over an HTC, they're both excellent).
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That's true, I wouldn't even bother nitpicking on S4's screen. The only concern could be AMOLED tends to deteriorate faster(which is impossible to tell right now), otherwise I don't see a big con on S4 screen. I feel more comfortable with LCD but hey , a well-calibrated AMOLED isn't bad at all. it's just about preference.
Honestly, if anyone could tell a difference between 440/460 ppi, or even 720p/1080p on a phone, and I'll consider you the "God's eye". I got a phone with 330 ppi (darn it was good at that time) three months ago, and I could not easily tell the difference from my nexus7(~220ppi).
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So my question to you. Have you been to a shop to compare both devices and if so, can you in good faith maintain that the HTC One's display does not trounce the S4's AMOLED? The difference was shocking to me. At first I thought it was down to my particular unit but seeing as someone is reporting the same experience, I think this is the screen as it is on any S4 device.
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Hopefully tomorrow! I'm meant to be getting my HTC One this afternoon unless Fedex fails me (usually they are very reliable here in NZ, so I'm hoping not). I get my S4 tomorrow.
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Are people here actually really paying attention to the S4 screen characteristics?
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Don't forget the common issue with ugly screen burn in that most people experience with AMOLED from Samsung, pretty big issue as its a matter of when not if and sometimes happening inside of a month, don't even need your screen on for this to happen.
Noidea why this hasn't been mentioned and really should be on the side of the box as a warning.
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That's true, I wouldn't even bother nitpicking on S4's screen. The only concern could be AMOLED tends to deteriorate faster(which is impossible to tell right now), otherwise I don't see a big con on S4 screen. I feel more comfortable with LCD but hey , a well-calibrated AMOLED isn't bad at all. it's just about preference.
Honestly, if anyone could tell a difference between 440/460 ppi, or even 720p/1080p on a phone, and I'll consider you the "God's eye". I got a phone with 330 ppi (darn it was good at that time) three months ago, and I could not easily tell the difference from my nexus7(~220ppi).
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Pentile doesn't matter so much because of resolution but more because of the greenish discoloration it produces. Dynamic or Film mode has no impact, it is just an inherent flaw. Sure you can get used to it but you come back to an LCD screen you realize what you have been missing out on.
I created this thread specifically for all the members to talk about the new 2k screen of the LG G3. The screen is the most important feature of the LG G3 and it is what LG brags about the most. For many of us including me, the screen will be the deciding factor of whether we buy the phone or not.How does the new 2k display panel perform in real life situations compared to other high end phone display panels like the Galaxy S5 or HTC One M8? Let's have a nice dedicated thread to the most important feature on this phone.
Ideas to talk about:
•Contrast levels
•How your content looks on it
•Your thoughts of it compared to the previous display you had.
•Any weird issues? (Screen interlacing, ghost issues)
•Color production
•Do you find it nice and worthwhile?
•How are those BLACK LEVELS (Important!)
•Any heat issues with the screen?
•Good high and low brightness levels?
All of the above... Thinking of upgrading from a nexus 5...
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I have seen a couple of reviews that say the max brightness is quite dim. Can someone who owns one confirm if this is true?
The G2 has the best display I have ever had and I don't want to downgrade to a duller screen (I am not bothered about the high res as the G2 has enough res. I want bright and vibrant!
Spewy1 said:
I have seen a couple of reviews that say the max brightness is quite dim. Can someone who owns one confirm if this is true?
The G2 has the best display I have ever had and I don't want to downgrade to a duller screen (I am not bothered about the high res as the G2 has enough res. I want bright and vibrant!
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Go to s5 ^^ it's too bright and too vibrant :laugh: (^^)
And ffs please, reviewers, don't simply declare that you can't distinguish individual pixels on 1080p as well as 2k and then conclude from that that the extra resolution doesn't make a difference. The question is: how do you subjectively experience visual items in 2k vs. 1080p--images, text, UI items, etc.. Past 325 dpi, a pixel is not an item, so it's irrelevant that you can't see one. Tons of those online reviews provide what the reviewer thinks their impression of the screen must be instead of the reviewer providing their true impression.
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Go to s5 ^^ it's too bright and too vibrant :laugh: (^^)
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I don't like the s5. Various reasons but mainly the cover over the charging port and overall design.
I love my g2 but need more memory (64gb minimum). I am worried about the screen on the g3 but the reviewers all focus on the resolution but I want to hear from real users about the real world experience of the screen.
Many thanks in advance for any input from owners of the phone.
Great Arstechica review as usual
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/lg-g3-review-a-great-phone-with-way-too-many-pixels/
That cover on the S5 (my wife has one), is for water proofing and easily ripped off.
Personally, I could use a screen with less pixels and longer screen-on time. I consider the screen resolution to be a minus. My preference is less pixels and make it a 6", like the HTC One Max I just returned after a week.
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Great Arstechica review as usual
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/lg-g3-review-a-great-phone-with-way-too-many-pixels/
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Can't agree with you there. They did the same move as all the other reviewers where they presume that the inability to distinguish individual pixels automatically means people can't see any overall difference in image quality:
Even at point-blank range, it's hard to resolve a single pixel. 1080p screens are also beautiful, though, and when looking at the two, side-by-side, we aren't convinced the jump to 1440p is necessary. More pixels only matter if you can see them, and on a ~5-inch device, it's almost impossible to tell the difference between a 1080p screen and the 1440p screen of the G3.
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That's why I asked above that any reviewers here avoid that particular groupthink and tell us how they actually experience 2k vs. 1080p.
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Can't agree with you there. They did the same move as all the other reviewers where they presume that the inability to distinguish individual pixels automatically means people can't see any overall difference in image quality:
That's why I asked above that any reviewers here avoid that particular groupthink and tell us how they actually experience 2k vs. 1080p.
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I think the most important caveat is that hardly any apps will be optimized for 2k display when the phone finally arrives.
HAving said that, kind of hard to judge don't you think?
Contrast and black levels are bad , i can garantee u that
hamad138 said:
Contrast and black levels are bad , i can garantee u that
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How can you?
theraker007 said:
I think the most important caveat is that hardly any apps will be optimized for 2k display when the phone finally arrives.
HAving said that, kind of hard to judge don't you think?
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That's logical. But so is the idea that the human eye can't distinguish pixels at a density greater than 326dpi. So, yeah, it comes down to subjective judgment calls. In that case, I'm interested in the subjective point of view of people who actually have one of these devices and their actual experience. We already know how do deduce logically what everyone's experience must be, and all the reviews I've read only do that. Images and text may appear sharper at a given distance from the eye in a way unrelated to whether or not you can distinguish an individual pixel.
The LG G3 has the best smartphone display I've seen: It's sharp, but it's also bright and has great color. The colors don't pop quite as much as on some of the better SuperAMOLED screens I've seen (such as on the just-announced Samsung Galaxy Tab S), but the sharpness is off the charts.
Comparing the G3's display to the one on the HTC One M8 (my current favorite Android phone), I felt the LG's was just as sharp, and a few details — such as drop shadows in Evernote — stood out slightly more. And even though colors weren't as vivid as on the HTC, the G3 had more natural skin tones
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From Mashable's review. Everyone's eyes are different I guess.
Contrast was superb. Black text on white background — one of the most essential things a smartphone, or any display, needs to get right — really stood out. The ultra-sharp characters nearly jumped off the screen, and I couldn't discern individual pixels, no matter how close I put my eye to the screen.
So the LG G3's Quad HD display is more than just hype. But only a bit. There's nothing wrong with the HTC One M8's screen — or the Samsung Galaxy S5's or the iPhone 5S's for that matter. They're still mighty sharp, and can display great images, just not quite as sharply or as impressively as the LG G3.
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hamad138 said:
Contrast and black levels are bad , i can garantee u that
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I truly hope that the screen is great on this phone but I can't wait any longer and have just ordered an S5. I have waited for all the flagships to come out this year and was truly hoping that the G3 would be the one. Two of the most important things to me are brightness and battery life and I'm worried that with the G3 I would end up having the brightness cranked all the time and would have poor battery life as a result. Really wanted to try LG this time but lost my nerve
Tapped it!
hamad138 said:
Contrast and black levels are bad , i can garantee u that
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Seriously? Those are much more important then resolution to improve upon.
helikido said:
Seriously? Those are much more important then resolution to improve upon.
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yes but not for marketing.
I'm most concerned with the viewing angles, black levels, contrast, and color accuracy. I'm definitely getting the G3 but I really don't want to have to play the panel lottery. I'd prefer a warmer display over a cooler display - as long as it's not noticeably pink/green/blue, I'm fine. A slight yellow/orange tint is okay, but obviously a calibrated display would be the best. My black Nexus 5's viewing angles aren't great, with the screen washing out at 30+ degree angle. My buddy's white Nexus 5 seems to have better viewing angles, so I'm not sure what the deal is. I'm pretty confident in LG's ability to produce good displays -- they pretty much made this phone just to show off their new display.
Actually, I'm now concerned about the narrowness of the bezel. Yes, it's a cool feature, and everyone dreams of a bezel-less phone, but I already have problems due to the narrowness of my S4's bezel. When I'm holding my phone for an extended time, referring to notes while speaking to people, my grip often gets interpreted by the system as a touch and hold. That pops up a dialog that I have to dismiss, and it's really obtrusive in real time situations. Sure, I could be more careful, but it's just too easy to make that problem happen during normal usage. It's not like I have big fat hands or a weird grip or anything. I've already been thinking that when we finally get bezel-free phones, there will have to be utilities to create a non-reactive border of pixels in a user-specified width, or else the user will accidentally be popping things up all over the place. At present, though, I think the G3's large size and tiny bezel are actually going to make it difficult to use the way I want to use it even though it's hardly bigger than my S4. You never know until you actually use it for a few days and try to adapt, but there's no way to do that without buying it, which I'm now hesitant to do.
You're holding it wrong ☺
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