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[INFO] Transformer VS IPAD2

Getting my Acer TF Tuesday night 500.00, yea I know 100 over but cant find it anywhere, but I am noticing all these issues is it not worth getting, because Im on the Fence about getting a IPAD 2, someone needs to convince me to get the Asus instead.
I sent my Iconia back to BB.
Thanks

I have an iPad 2, and once you get the transformer you will understand instantly why the transformer is better

seshmaru said:
I have an iPad 2, and once you get the transformer you will understand instantly why the transformer is better
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so I wont be disappointed with the T F
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lou0611 said:
so I wont be disappointed with the T F
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I am not, and I have both
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wolf1306 said:
I am not, and I have both
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IM a big movie watcher and sling box. is the screen as nice as they say.
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so I wont be disappointed with the T F
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iPad UI is slightly smoother than honeycomb (HC is still really nice though, haven't had choppiness or lag so far) but widgets will always win over plain icons on my iPad.
The software loaded on the E3T (myLibrary, myZine, myNet, @Vibe, Polaris Office) work really well and since I read a lot it's quite handy. The slight modification to the UI (custom home/back/recent tasks/menu) icons are an improvement and any other changes they've made have all been for the better.
Yes the iPad has more apps, but I haven't had that much need for that many apps since most things you'll do are already included and mostly work well.
The screen is on par with my iPad 2, and better resolution/dpi, besides reading on 16:10 in portrait is a lot nicer than 4:3, and a lot nicer for watching shows/movies opposed to 4:3.

seshmaru said:
iPad UI is slightly smoother than honeycomb (HC is still really nice though, haven't had choppiness or lag so far) but widgets will always win over plain icons on my iPad.
The software loaded on the E3T (myLibrary, myZine, myNet, @Vibe, Polaris Office) work really well and since I read a lot it's quite handy. The slight modification to the UI (custom home/back/recent tasks/menu) icons are an improvement and any other changes they've made have all been for the better.
Yes the iPad has more apps, but I haven't had that much need for that many apps since most things you'll do are already included and mostly work well.
The screen is on par with my iPad 2, and better resolution/dpi, besides reading on 16:10 in portrait is a lot nicer than 4:3, and a lot nicer for watching shows/movies opposed to 4:3.
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thanks for the quick review you convinced me.
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After having a discussion with an iFanboy the other night, the only excuse we could come up with for getting an iPad over the TF is if you already have all apple products for the integration. In short... get the Transformer.

A Naked Emo said:
After having a discussion with an iFanboy the other night, the only excuse we could come up with for getting an iPad over the TF is if you already have all apple products for the integration. In short... get the Transformer.
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i agree with this. Having extra cables and chargers is really nice. also if you already bought apps on itunes then you wouldnt have to pay for them again on android.

I ordered both iPad and Tf. Keeping tf. In time both honeycomb and apps will catch up. Very quickly.

Does iTunes run on Linux?
I rest my case.

Itunes will not run naively on linux. You might get the windows version running under wine or in an virtual machine.

I have a new policy. I do not buy a product that has no Linux support.

To play devil's advocate ... the iPad 2 has a smoother UI than the Transformer (which will hopefully change soon) and if you download an app, it will likely work, even if it's in a small iPhone-esque window. Some Android phone apps will not work in Honeycomb. There's also a buttload of accessories, more developer support for apps, and a better chance that your tablet will be upgraded to the latest iOS without having to rely on forces outside the manufacturer.
But I'd still never own one. Glorified app launcher, I don't think it's a true tablet like the Honeycomb tabs. I'd get bored pretty quickly. But for someone who wants that experience (say, my parents, my sister, a coworker who finds Android confusing), I have no problem recommending it.

A Naked Emo said:
After having a discussion with an iFanboy the other night, the only excuse we could come up with for getting an iPad over the TF is if you already have all apple products for the integration. In short... get the Transformer.
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I already had an iPhone and this was the deciding factor in me returning the Asus for an ipad2.

My father uses an iPad (3g). I think it is a very nice piece of technology, but I prefer the Transformer because it has the keyboard add-on.
I currently use a Macbook Pro and it is too heavy to take with me to classes. I plan on using the tablet + keyboard combo for university. It is light-weight and the memory is expandable.

CardboardGiant said:
My father uses an iPad (3g). I think it is a very nice piece of technology, but I prefer the Transformer because it has the keyboard add-on.
I currently use a Macbook Pro and it is too heavy to take with me to classes. I plan on using the tablet + keyboard combo for university. It is light-weight and the memory is expandable.
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Remember to get drag and drop on OSX you need to get android file manager from the android website.

There is literally a world of reasons, but this is my main one...
The ipad runs a cell phone operating system while ASUS runs an actual tablet OS. While honeycomb isn't quite as smooth as ios when the next few updates arrive it will be far superior. We have an OS specified for tablets while the ipad has the same old crap on it... It is literally just a big iphone.

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There is literally a world of reasons, but this is my main one...
The ipad runs a cell phone operating system while ASUS runs an actual tablet OS. While honeycomb isn't quite as smooth as ios when the next few updates arrive it will be far superior. We have an OS specified for tablets while the ipad has the same old crap on it... It is literally just a big iphone.
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Let's not be inaccurate here to a fault. The iPad does not run a "cell phone operating system". There are slight differences between iOS for iPhones/iPod touch and iPad. Just because they look alike or are similar does not mean that iPads run the exact same operating system as an iPhone and iPod Touch. Last i checked, you couldn't load iPhone OS on an iPad or vice versa.
One can say that Android tablets are big versions of android phones as well. Just like there are apps that run on iPads only, there are apps that run on HC tablets only.

I own the iPad2 16GB WIFI (my very first apple product) ... been a pro-Linux / Anti-MSFT / Anti-AAPL guy for a long time. Given that ... take the next few bullets FWIW ..
CONS -
- The iPad2 's dependence on iTunes-PC tether
- The lack of ext. SD support .. a major downer for someone with a 16gb tablet.
- expensive accessories
- not hackable at all (as of now)
- yet another Apple product worshipped by the clan.
PROS -
- The display is gorgeous (videos and pictures look stunning). Screen rotations are quick and fast.
- Most websites that require flash ... interestingly, also have free iPad apps that play video just fine (i.e. CNN / HBO / CBS / ABC etc. etc. etc.)
- The battery truly runs 10+ hrs (even with moderate to heavy use)
- The battery truly does not run out when the unit is on standby. I close the smart cover in the night at (say) 50% ... the next day morning its at 49% ... and during the night it has also downloaded my emails (i.e. wifi stays on).
- Apps rarely bog down the iPad.
- Never had any lockups or reboots.
MOST IMPORTANT PROS
- Availability of apps. Its shocking how many native iPad apps there are. Almost every well-known company has an app on the iPad. TIVO has an app on the iPad. I doubt TIVO has the necessary resources to build a similar one for the Android. Also ... the iPad and the iPad2 have identical aspect ratios and screen resolutions making life really easy for software developers. Android Tablets will come in all flavors and aspect ratios causing major headaches for developers. To make matters difficult, schools and other institutions are buying iPads ... make it a more lucrative option for developers.
I am waiting for the Transformer to ship (on pre-order status @ Amazon and Target). Its going to be interesting.

Second thoughts?

I'm not sure if this is the correct forum to post this under, seeing as I'm new to the XDA Developers community, but here goes nothing:
Has anyone else that has purchased an Kindle Fire been having second thoughts?
I think the main reason that I'm feeling this way is the whole thing feels sluggish, and the entire experience is frustrating. I did not buy the KF for a media consumption device; I bought it with the intention of rooting it, and having a $200 full-featured Android tablet, and having done so, something still feels off. It's extremely frustrating that I spent hours trying to get a custom wallpaper, and while I understand that it's a known-issue (So many threads made everyday...)
I played with my friends G2 today, which by no means is a new phone, and it (felt like), it kicked the KF's ass in speed. I just don't understand this at all. This (afaik) is a single core 800MHz device that feels more fluid than a 1GHz Dual Core. Is there something I'm missing?
Now, I'm new to Android, so I have absolutely no idea if this is a software issue that will get resolved (Honeycomb / Ice Cream Sandwich?), how long a wait that will be. (I understand that no one knows the answer to that.) Or... Is this just the hardware that $200 will buy you? I understand they're selling each KF at a loss, maybe I had higher expectations than I should have.
I noticed in a local Best Buy Black Friday ad, that the Acer Iconia 7" tablet will go on sale for $190, which has spurred thoughts of returning my KF, and purchasing the Iconia. Can anyone think of a good reason not to?
Please excuse my ignorance, I really am trying to learn something here. Will these issues improve with time, once custom ROMs start getting developed for the KF?
Thanks for reading. I appreciate any input, even if it's pointing out something I've missed. (Especially so.)

First off, welcome to the forums! and yeah, general is a pretty decent place for this sort of thing imo.
I think, if you're looking for a full featured android tablet for under $200, and are willing to brave the black friday madness to get it, then by all means, return your kindle and go for the Iconia. It's got better specs, cameras, honeycomb, etc - and lets face it, amazon designed the kindle to be just that, a kindle. Whatever android functionality we get past that should be looked at as a bonus to what was already there imo.
I've owned an asus transformer as my primary android tablet for close to 6months now, and got the kindle intending it to be mostly a device for media, so I was pleasantly surprised how well it did as an android tablet as well. I actually ended up falling in love with the size and ease of one-handed use of the 7" tablet, and am debating ditching the transformer and either going with just the kindle, or picking up a more powerful 7" tablet myself.
Don't get me wrong, I love the kindle and will definitely be hanging onto it - but one of the more main reasons I got it was it's integration to all of amazons media services.
I think you'll notice a considerable increase in speed and smoothness with the tegra 2 and more notably the 1gb of memory, especially if you root the iconia and install a more cut down rom.
The only thing I will say here is having used both the kindle and a 10" honeycomb tablet now... I'm not entirely sure how i'd like the honeycomb interface on a 7" tablet... it might almost feel too cluttered - but thats an ocd person with a very minimalist taste speaking.
Just my 2 cents, hope it helps.

I've seen quite a few complains about sluggish performance but I honestly haven't seen any of that after rooting and switching to go launcher. There was some noticible slow downs changing orientation of the device or just simply scrolling throught the carousel when I was using the stock launcher but that seems to be all gone now. Ive been playing Pandora while surfing on opera with several tabs open haven't seen any lag at all. Maybe im not stressing my tablet enought? Idk what other ppl do on it but coming from an ipad 1 im very satisified with my purchase . ICS is suppose to have similar ram usage to GB so I think the 512 ram should be suffice atleast for my usage.
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Really appreciate the thought out reply.
I love the 7" form-factor myself; the only doubt that I'm having right now is battery life. It seems to be 5 hours of casual WiFi browsing, which is ridiculously low compared to the KF. The other features totally make it worth it. Mini-HDMI and Micro-SD would definitely be nice to have, as well as GPS? Jeez.
Edit: If I do return it, should I unroot it, is there a process to return it to factory settings?

Yeah, 5 hours battery life is a bit rough - although again to reference my experiences with the transformer, at least, a cut down Rom will likely help that a decent bit.
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If you return any tablet you've rooted by all mean unroot it. It not only helps if you get a clerk who knows what to look for (and refuses your return justifiably as rooting voids warranty) but also it's good form. It avoids "surprises" for whomever gets your tab afterwards.
Having owned the Iconia A100 for about 2 weeks before returning it (battery life, viewing angles, Acer possibly leaving tabs and lack of dev support) I must say it's a fine little tab. Only 8G internal but uSD offsets, 1GB RAM, quality build and reported ICS in January are real pluses. Price ($330) is steep but if you can get it on BF then do so.
Now that root has been achieved on the NT, it's blows the doors off the KF (specs, battery life, etc). Seriously look into it as a replacement for the KF.
BTW I would not count on HC or ICS for the KF. No reason for Amazon to do that as it doesn't add revenue to buying anything from Amazon. B&N only upped the NC to 2.2 Froyo after almost a year on 2.1 then stopped.

skeeterpro said:
Now that root has been achieved on the NT, it's blows the doors off the KF (specs, battery life, etc). Seriously look into it as a replacement for the KF.
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Do you have a link for NT root? I can't find it and I am holding off on buying one until I see what's possible on it.

I already own the HTC flyer referenced in my .sig and I don't think anything comes close to it speedwise since it has a 1.5 GHz single core processor. And I've played with the Dell streak 7 which is dual core 1 GHz. Since app so few apps can actually use the second core it feels slower by comparison. It has 512 memory like the KF and I think that's much of the reason it seems so much slower. I used the V6 whatever script by Zepp-somebody (as you can see I'm just horrible with names) from here on XDA and it made a big difference. So I'd guess the Fire would also benefit from tweaked minfrees and OOM settings also. Considering some of that 512 is given to video I think almost all lag is actually the Android OS moving things out of memory and killing apps to make room for the new app or the app you're returning to.
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I have to add that I tried quite a few devices before settling on my 7". I brought home a couple, the Iconia screen was just unacceptable period, the angle you will want to view it the most is the worst, every Iconia I've seen has this problem on both sides of the border. Not to mention not so great battery life although I did find it better than the reviews, and random FCs. I eventually settled on a Flyer and it's miles ahead of the Iconia, what a polished device, it just works, so smooth, has a really nice screen, and is solid built.
I'm here cause I'm looking at the KF myself for my kids, but it sounds like it will be more trouble than it's worth to get them working north of the border. I tried a Vox for a couple of days and it was just so buggy, slow and locked down.

bsoplinger said:
I already own the HTC flyer referenced in my .sig and I don't think anything comes close to it speedwise since it has a 1.5 GHz single core processor. And I've played with the Dell streak 7 which is dual core 1 GHz. Since app so few apps can actually use the second core it feels slower by comparison. It has 512 memory like the KF and I think that's much of the reason it seems so much slower. I used the V6 whatever script by Zepp-somebody (as you can see I'm just horrible with names) from here on XDA and it made a big difference. So I'd guess the Fire would also benefit from tweaked minfrees and OOM settings also. Considering some of that 512 is given to video I think almost all lag is actually the Android OS moving things out of memory and killing apps to make room for the new app or the app you're returning to.
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I also considered the Flyer when I bought the A100. The digitizer for note taking attracted me but not paying upwards to $70-80 for the pen. No HC was a turn-off with little hope of upgrade. That plus a couple articles spectulating HTC getting out of the tab business broke the deal for me. But I have read that the Flyer is a serviceable device indeed!
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sgood1971 said:
Do you have a link for NT root? I can't find it and I am holding off on buying one until I see what's possible on it.
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Sure. You'll need to be familiar with ADB (but then we all should).
Keep in mind the Search function is your friend!

To be completely honest, most of the things that I've noticed have performance issues are the Amazon-specific things -- the bottom buttons, the stock launcher, etc. In fact, everything else, now that I've rooted it, runs just fine even when I limit the processor to 600MHz per core.
I really am pretty sure the biggest performance thing is Amazon's modifications to the Android stuff. So, that *may* be fixed in upcoming updates. Or, heck, we'll just get a good custom rom sometime!

I've noticed intermittant sluggish performance only on Silk Browser. Using Opera Browser instead solves this and is much faster browsing experience.

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Sure. You'll need to be familiar with ADB (but then we all should).
Keep in mind the Search function is your friend!
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Thank you for the link. I did indeed use the search, I always do. Unfortunately my search-foo must have been weak indeed today.
Thanks again.

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Or, heck, we'll just get a good custom rom sometime!
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This. I'm thinking it won't be too long before they start the ROM game...or hoping. I wouldn't keep the fire with its stock interface; I also bought it as a tablet. That said, the thing has been out a WEEK and they've already made leaps and bounds. The thing was rooted in like 12 hours, they've got CWM on it (just can't navigate easily) and I think they'll work out the kinks and start romming. My hope is for CM9, myself.

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This. I'm thinking it won't be too long before they start the ROM game...or hoping. I wouldn't keep the fire with its stock interface; I also bought it as a tablet. That said, the thing has been out a WEEK and they've already made leaps and bounds. The thing was rooted in like 12 hours, they've got CWM on it (just can't navigate easily) and I think they'll work out the kinks and start romming. My hope is for CM9, myself.
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True enough but regardless keep your hopes and expectations realistic. Remember that this device was not designed to be an open android tablet. The overlay and mods from Amazon might be tough to completely delete or bypass. Could be wrong but even so it's a $200 device. It will only ever be that. Which is fine but it is what it is.

I own a flyer also and it is a great tablet. I also bought the Fire for what is was advertised for, media content from Amazon. I don't intend on rooting because I think it performs just fine as it is. For your kids, watching movies, games and reading, I think they would enjoy this 7 inch device.
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After going to Best Buy, and playing with the Iconia, it's re-affirmed my purchase in the KF. The display on the Iconia certainly leaves something to be desired.
I think I basically want a Galaxy Tab 7.0 at a $200 price point - not gonna happen, heh.

xodlike said:
After going to Best Buy, and playing with the Iconia, it's re-affirmed my purchase in the KF. The display on the Iconia certainly leaves something to be desired.
I think I basically want a Galaxy Tab 7.0 at a $200 price point - not gonna happen, heh.
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Good to know.. display on that was one thing i never really thought about. heh.

At this point, I have to say the Fire is a keeper for me. What put it over the edge was that I was able to sideload the ereader.com app and read my books in full screen (I have been using this site for ebooks for more than a decade and probably have 200+ books in that library). The ereader app won't let me unlock my books on my Archos Honeycomb tablet and my HTC Flyer on Gingerbread will unlock the books, but the app is the screen size of a phone and I can't figure out how to make it bigger.
The Fire is the only device I can stream Amazon Instant Video without stuttering and allows me to use Netflix and Hulu too.
I've managed to sideload my manga reader apps and some other apps I love.
I can't plug a hard drive in, but I can stream with my Go Flex satellite.
Surfing isn't any better than any other device I own (maybe a little bit slower), but I can live with it for the other benefits.
Still not giving up my other tablets though

Expecting a "full featured" tablet from a $200 tablet is silly. The Kindle wasn't built to be a rooted device, it wasn't built to do all the things that Android tablets can do (GPS, bluetooth, video/voice calling, etc), it was built to be a media consumption device and a reader. It does both of those things well, and anything else it can do is just extra goodness. If you need more storage, GPS, bluetooth, or any of those other features... I'd recommend going with another tablet. You'll be spending more, but you get what you pay for.

Transformer versus HTC Flyer

I am contemplating selling my transformer in order to get the HTC Flyer. I like the form factor and the ever note integration. I know the flyer is 1.5ghz single core but I've read where this is almost equal to the dual core for the Transformer, though mine is ocd to 1.4ghz. Cameras are about equal, but I might be prone to use the flyers camera more as it is more portable. I can read reviews and watch YouTube vids all I want. Right now I am on Prime ROM. I qm a teacher so this is more for note taking and movies books and games and the occasional notes and GPS. I'm still looking for that all in one device.
I guess if I really anted it all minus the camera quality I'd get the ipad 2. But next year the 3 will be out and the price is pretty high and its almost too easy.
Thanks for looking.
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If I'm not mistaken, the HTC Flyer doesn't even run Android Honeycomb. Not sure why you'd want to go from a 3.2.1 device to a 2.3+ device.

But we're under the assumption that ICS will be ported to any device that has active devs, right? In any case... I think taking notes gets harder and harder when you go toward a smaller surface area.

True, but because of the pen that is made specifically for it, note taking is supposed to be easy. Then I read on the forums for the Flyer that due to flooding or something in Taiwan that the Flyer is hard to get. I was playing with the demo at BB last night. Didn't even think to as about if there were any in stock lol.
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Hmm, didn't know about the stylus, I want to look at it! haha

I thought long and hard about this before I made my TF purchase decision.
I honestly see these devices as being in totally separate categories.
The portability and 3G capability of the Flyer is an awesome bonus for content consumption on the go - like public transport and sitting at the airport etc.
The screen size and dock features of the TF make it a potent all rounder but it's more of an at home in bed or on the couch device.
Personally I find the world that is opened up by the dock (think external hard disk, mouse, keyboard etc) and the dual core (mines OC at 1.6) made it a compellign choice for me.
For most people I don't think these are competing products - depending on your use cases it's likely one wouldn't even be a consideration and the other would be ideal.

Looked at the Flyer when I was looking for a 7" tab. Nice unit. But what broke the deal for the Flyer is 2.3 GB with iffy upgrade. I've read (take with a grain of salt here) that HTC is "maybe" getting out of tablets (a la HP). The Flyer has been on 2.3GB for a loooooong time so ICS, IMO, might be even further down the road (if at all). Add in the price of the pen (yes, it is sold separately) and I walked away. Tried the Acer A100. Rotten screen (non-IPS) viewing, weak battery life broke the deal there. KF? Nope. Want a real tablet. NT? Bootloader remains locked so far but still better than the KF. Got the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus and most pleased.
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eli.kennedy said:
I thought long and hard about this before I made my TF purchase decision.
I honestly see these devices as being in totally separate categories.
The portability and 3G capability of the Flyer is an awesome bonus for content consumption on the go - like public transport and sitting at the airport etc.
The screen size and dock features of the TF make it a potent all rounder but it's more of an at home in bed or on the couch device.
Personally I find the world that is opened up by the dock (think external hard disk, mouse, keyboard etc) and the dual core (mines OC at 1.6) made it a compellign choice for me.
For most people I don't think these are competing products - depending on your use cases it's likely one wouldn't even be a consideration and the other would be ideal.
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Agree. These are two completely different use unit. Sure they can do similiar tasks but are used differently IMO.

sdelliott31 said:
I am contemplating selling my transformer in order to get the HTC Flyer. I like the form factor and the ever note integration. I know the flyer is 1.5ghz single core but I've read where this is almost equal to the dual core for the Transformer, though mine is ocd to 1.4ghz. Cameras are about equal, but I might be prone to use the flyers camera more as it is more portable. I can read reviews and watch YouTube vids all I want. Right now I am on Prime ROM. I qm a teacher so this is more for note taking and movies books and games and the occasional notes and GPS. I'm still looking for that all in one device.
I guess if I really anted it all minus the camera quality I'd get the ipad 2. But next year the 3 will be out and the price is pretty high and its almost too easy.
Thanks for looking.
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As a Asus Transformer user and HTC Flyer user, HTC Flyer is more stable than Transformer because well, Android Gingerbread/Froyo is more stable than Honeycomb.
I use HTC Flyer more now because I can bring it out. The form factor is very good. Quality built like iPad without creaking like Transformer.

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I'm looking at your sig, and I must say, I'm thoroughly impressed.
Nook Color: CM7 7.0.0.3
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Three tablets? Wow, that's amazing. Do you have a use for all of them, or do any collect dust or get used more infrequently/as a hobbyist toy?

jordanjay29 said:
I'm looking at your sig, and I must say, I'm thoroughly impressed.
Three tablets? Wow, that's amazing. Do you have a use for all of them, or do any collect dust or get used more infrequently/as a hobbyist toy?
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Heck. I've seen people with more toys than I!
Actually the only device that doesn't get daily use is the NC Each device has a primary purpose (that can be interchangable at times) but honestly much depends on what I need to do. For example, for Grand Rounds the GTab7+ works better as it's smaller. On desk the TF works well, with the transportability if need be. As all (except the NC) run same HC version my business apps all port well (reference/DDX/Pharmacy/etc). So, yeah only the NC is seeing less use. But fully charged and ready if needed!

I have nook color, flyer, and now transformer.
I use flyer as a more portable tablet in that i, take it on the metro for reading books and use it at work for taking notes. I find the pen to be fantastic.
Transformer is a better form factor for surfing the web (anything more than a quick check of some wikipedia page here or there). It stays at home mostly. If I take a trip somewhere, I'll bring it for movies and such, but I find it a bit large to whip out while traveling (metro, car, plane).
Nook color I gave to my fiancee, but she seems to like the transformer better (maybe size does matter?). Honestly I kinda saw the flyer as an upgraded nook color (nc doesn't have usable bluetooth, cameras, microphones, or HDMI out).
As for honeycomb upgrade for the flyer... There have been a number of increasingly more complete honeycomb builds leaked for the flyer, with the latest being leaked within the last month. This leads me to believe that the official honeycomb upgrade isn't too far off.
Not that anyone really cares, but I've also got an EVO 4G (quite honestly, still a great device), and the original G1.
@OP: did you decide what to do?

Thank for all the informative responses. I believe I am going to wait a bit longer and look at the TF Prime or the HTC Flyer when more stock arrives. I like to play games on my tablet so Kal El has me interested. The Flyer will lack here but still like its portability. I could be like the good Doc and get both but that's overkill for me. I'm either at home or in the classroom or at my campground site so I guess the bigger form factor not as big of a deal.
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Should I buy?

Simply, should I buy this Tablet? I was going to get a Nook Color. But after having a Duel Core Device, running ICS. Can't go back to single core. The Nook Color Tablet can't be hacked as of now. But this device is 200 USD. Has MIUI, CM7, ICS. Even if some are beta. Its better than most. Id only use it for Netflix, N64oid, Gmail, Youtube, etc.
So should I make it my Tablet?
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All I can tell you is I like it. Runs great with CM7.
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You should probably consider there are some other devices coming out soon-ish (End of Q1, beginning of Q2) you might want to wait for such as the Asus MeMo 370t. Competition's about to get real heated in the 7-inch market segment.
That said, I've spent a good month or so with my Kindle Fire and it's worked wonders so far. CM7 is smooth as hell and pretty much fully functional, and while CM9 is on the works and has some kinks to work out, it's also a pretty solid start as it is now. Rooting is pretty much effortless and fool-proof, and I don't regret getting it for a second; it's a brilliant media-oriented tablet and it's handled every game I've thrown at it without a single second of lag as well.

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You should probably consider there are some other devices coming out soon-ish (End of Q1, beginning of Q2) you might want to wait for such as the Asus MeMo 370t. Competition's about to get real heated in the 7-inch market segment.
That said, I've spent a good month or so with my Kindle Fire and it's worked wonders so far. CM7 is smooth as hell and pretty much fully functional, and while CM9 is on the works and has some kinks to work out, it's also a pretty solid start as it is now. Rooting is pretty much effortless and fool-proof, and I don't regret getting it for a second; it's a brilliant media-oriented tablet and it's handled every game I've thrown at it without a single second of lag as well.
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You bring up a good point, I'm wanting a 7" Tablet. There's so many coming out. But I want something with a strong Dev team. I've made the Mistake of thinking all fourms where like the HD2, G2, and G1.
Is there any news about an Offical CM9 Rom?
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You bring up a good point, I'm wanting a 7" Tablet. There's so many coming out. But I want something with a strong Dev team. I've made the Mistake of thinking all fourms where like the HD2, G2, and G1.
Is there any news about an Offical CM9 Rom?
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there aren't any official CM9 Rom
but I beleve it just a matter of time
here is the link of the progress
(http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1411895)

Love my kindle don't get me wrong. But just so you know the Nook is hackable it just takes some work.
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The current ICS rom in development is good enough to be a daily driver. I've been using it without any problems. It's been very stable for me.
Kindle Fire has a strong dev community and is very popular. Amazon sold many, many units. That being said, The ASUS tablet seems like a dream machine.. but it's not coming out for a while.

This device is just perfect for me!
If you like 7" (fits in my inner pocket), no sound buttons and if you can stand an alpha version of ICS, then it's perfect for you aswell!
The screen is very touch responsive, good light levels, high dpi (good for reading pdf) and the device feels sturdy in your hand. I get well over the specified 7-8 hours of usage, especially when I lower the light level to a minimum (still sufficient).
I recommend the Kindle Fire Lightweight MicroShell Folio Cover by Marware, Graphite which makes the device lean and has a nice feel over it.

My Aunt is buying one, so Ill get a 1st hand look at it. But I think my minds made up. Kindle Fire Hopefully they get the Bluetooth radio up and running
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I dig it, wish it had cameras, but I like it. Like it more after rooting and installing the Google apps and sync working with contacts and calendar.
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I really like the Kindle Fire. Like others have said, it would be nice if it didn't skimp on hardware devices like cameras, etc. but then it wouldn't be $199.
They do need to make the UI a little better. Native Swype keyboard support would go a long way.

I tend not to look towards upcoming products when it comes to electronics because while on page they may appear attractive, one cannot forsee their performance/relability.
I buy something that is fairly current and put it through its paces during the alloted return period. Something can obviously happen afterwards with it but I'm comfortable knowing I had the opportunity to try it and I like it without wondering what other forthcoming product works or when it truly will become available for that matter.

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I tend not to look towards upcoming products when it comes to electronics because while on page they may appear attractive, one cannot forsee their performance/relability.
I buy something that is fairly current and put it through its paces during the alloted return period. Something can obviously happen afterwards with it but I'm comfortable knowing I had the opportunity to try it and I like it without wondering what other forthcoming product works or when it truly will become available for that matter.
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A strong dev community is always positive! That way, even if the manufacturer screws up, you'll still have support.

[Q] Best hackable sub-$300 Android tablet?

I'm looking to get my first Android tablet. I've always rooted and run custom firmware on my Android phones, so I need a "cheap" Android tablet with a healthy developer community and a lot of support.
My first thought was to go for the $250 Nook Tablet, spec for spec it's better than the Kindle Fire; but didn't an update come out for it recently that made rooting it near impossible or so highly difficult that it hasn't been done yet?
Then the $200 Kindle Fire came to mind, very popular tablet must mean a very healthy/active hacking/dev community right? But isn't it also locked down in such a way it can't be rooted or modified anymore? I need a working Android Market (Oh I'm sorry, I mean <sarcasm>Play Store</sarcasm>) and good custom ROM's including ICS.
Then I see a $189 Lenovo A1 Tablet at Best Buy with decent specs. It's running Android 2.3 which I'd normally prefer over Android 3.0/Honeycomb but now that ICS/Android 4.0 is out, I'd definately want to run that on my tablet.
So is ICS running very good/stable on any sub $300 Android tablet? I wonder when the $250 Tegra3 based tablet from Asus (or is it Acer...) comes out. Suggestions on which route to go?

I'm interested in this too. Are you not interested in going the used route though?
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I'm interested in this too. Are you not interested in going the used route though?
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I have no issues with going used, in fact it could even be preferred. I can get a used Kindle Fire from the local Craigslist for $140-$160.
I can get a $250 Nook Tablet (not the new cheaper one) for about $195 on Craigslist.
I wonder what the status is of Android on the HP TouchPad's are, did they get Android 4.0/ICS running on it? The HW specs are quite good.

I am very happy with CM9 on my HP Touch pad..
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I am very happy with CM9 on my HP Touch pad..
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Not to hijack this thread, I know I'm in a Kindle Fire forum, but what are the known issues with CM9 on the HP Touchpad? The HP Touchpads specs are superior to the Kindle Fire's (naturally considering the Touchpad is originally a $500 tablet), but CM9 on the Kindle Fire only has 3 known issues (HW Acceleration, 720p video and Bluetooth); Doesn't CM9 on the HP Touchpad have a lot more known issues "HD Video/codecs not working, Speaker farting noise when screen is off, Wifi hit or miss, Sound still has some major issues to be worked on, Camera doesn't work yet (therefore no skype and what not), Reboot to recovery hit or miss, No Mic"?

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Suggestions on which route to go?
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You are in KF forum, so probably most common answer will be Kindle Fire
Anyway, IMHO
KF pros
Very good build quality
Powerful proc
Gorilla glass & good screen
Price
Existence of excellent CM7 ROM (see my sig)
ICS on the way
KF contra
No SD card slot
No bluetooth and never will be
No USB support (as far as I know there are theoretical possibilities to hack this).
Personaly I am very pleased with KF for $200

I thing you would get a better Tablet for 350 $. Maybe the huwei Mediapad wich is pretty awsome.
But the Kindle had a very good dev community.
I dont like the Lenovo A1, of course the community is ok, but hardware is not so good as the fire one is. Take a look at the Display its awfull and the CPU is a single core.
I buy a used Fire in germany for about 190$ and they sell a new A1 for about 180$ here.
Look at the thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1545172 Hashcode is in development for a 3.0 kernel, dont know if somwone does for Lenevo.
no matter ICS is tunning very well with the 2.6 kernel

My only con with kf is connecting to wifi. I heard it was a kernel thing and it may also be my router. Hopefully it gets fixed with the new 3.0 kernel, if not I'm thinking of selling my kf. It's a good device, but it gets really annoying when I can't connect, makes it pointless
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It is actually super easy to root the kindle fire

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My only con with kf is connecting to wifi. I heard it was a kernel thing and it may also be my router. Hopefully it gets fixed with the new 3.0 kernel, if not I'm thinking of selling my kf. It's a good device, but it gets really annoying when I can't connect, makes it pointless
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I never had a problem to connect to any wifi. Explain your issue.

paranoid android85 said:
My only con with kf is connecting to wifi. I heard it was a kernel thing and it may also be my router. Hopefully it gets fixed with the new 3.0 kernel, if not I'm thinking of selling my kf. It's a good device, but it gets really annoying when I can't connect, makes it pointless
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i used to have the same problem i started using raven's kernal now no problems it actually will now connect to my home and work and switch between the 2 without doing anything. this may or maynot help but worth a try

I wouldn't recommend the fire unless you plan on using it as Amazon intended with prime. Most apps do not behave right on CM7 and the lack of volume controls make it even worse.
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I'd hold out for the "Nexus Tablet" that is supposedly launching very soon. It's rumored to be like the Kindle Fire size-wise, run Tegra 3, and be $150!

I'm on cm9 from bl1nk thread and if one of my rooms in my house has a weak wifi signal I'll lose connection. I noticed in a few days of flashing a rom it gets worse and worse. I'm going to try another kernel like someone suggested, see if that helps
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I'd hold out for the "Nexus Tablet" that is supposedly launching very soon. It's rumored to be like the Kindle Fire size-wise, run Tegra 3, and be $150!
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That will be pretty sweet if it's true
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Kindle can be rooted easily
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Then the $200 Kindle Fire came to mind, very popular tablet must mean a very healthy/active hacking/dev community right? But isn't it also locked down in such a way it can't be rooted or modified anymore? I need a working Android Market (Oh I'm sorry, I mean <sarcasm>Play Store</sarcasm>) and good custom ROM's including ICS.
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I actually rooted my Kindle fire on the newest 6.2.2 update (it did take me a little while cause it's the first time ive used a computer to root) and I even got ICS to work on it swimmingly... but i took it off because it's still in beta. As for the market every single app ive downloaded from there works too.

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I wouldn't recommend the fire unless you plan on using it as Amazon intended with prime. Most apps do not behave right on CM7 and the lack of volume controls make it even worse.
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Disagree completely. I have had CM7 on two Kindles for months now with absolutely zero problems. If you experienced problems with "most apps" then I am guessing you had serious user errors, not CM or KF errors. Plus, having an onscreen volume slider with the Volume Control app works beautifully.

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Not to hijack this thread, I know I'm in a Kindle Fire forum, but what are the known issues with CM9 on the HP Touchpad? The HP Touchpads specs are superior to the Kindle Fire's (naturally considering the Touchpad is originally a $500 tablet), but CM9 on the Kindle Fire only has 3 known issues (HW Acceleration, 720p video and Bluetooth); Doesn't CM9 on the HP Touchpad have a lot more known issues "HD Video/codecs not working, Speaker farting noise when screen is off, Wifi hit or miss, Sound still has some major issues to be worked on, Camera doesn't work yet (therefore no skype and what not), Reboot to recovery hit or miss, No Mic"?
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The TouchPad's version of CM9 took a few revisions for hardware acceleration for HD video content, but alpha 2 fixed that. I've been using the TouchPad's since alpha 0.5 as a daily driver. In all those revisions and ROMs I have never had the speaker issue you mention in android. Before CM9 I would get that occasionally in webOS. I have only had wifi issues with CM7, CM9 and webOS have had solid stable wifi. From what I understand its more about the router channel than anything else. Overlapping SSIDs on the same channel causes the issue, and changing the channel on the router usually fixes it. My sound is great. Now that HW accel works HD YouTube looks and sounds great. Hulu+ and Netflix look great and sound perfect. There is no camera support, and I think that's very low on the priority list. You can always switch to webOS for video chat. Note that you cannot remove webOS, you dual boot. That's part of the issue with reboot to recovery. You cannot boot directly into recovery. When you power up you get a boot menu, after 5 seconds android boots. But, from that menu you can select recovery or webOS. I use a delay of 1 second because its very rare for me to need to boot to recovery or webOS. I have never checked the mic, so I can't comment on that, again though, it will work in webOS. With the TP don't discount webOS. Its stable, snappy, elegant, and intuitive. I thought it was better than CM7. The only thing it lacks is apps. The browser is great, and supports flash.
On Black Friday I had a Kindle Fire in my cart on Amazon, hoping for a black Friday deal. I saw an ad for the TouchPad for $99, and after 30 seconds of research I knew I wanted that instead. I ended up getting one for $195 NIB. To me a tablet is mainly an internet device, and a web browsing device. The 10" vs 7" screen makes a world of difference. Its still just as portable, but that extra screen makes web browsing basically desktop class. The TouchPad also has the TouchStone, the inductive charger. I never have to mess with cables, and never see battery below 75% because after a few hours of use I put it on the charger. Those sold for $90 new, but you can get then $40 easy. Plus the HP case is really nice for $15 usually. To me is was a no brainer. But I'm someone that has been on xda for years, flashing a ROM every week. When my family ask what to get I always recommend the Kindle Fire over the nook, and over the TP. The Amazon app store alone tips the scales over any nook advantage. But, those are users that need the device to work out of box, and consistently, without any hacking. I would still bet on the Kindle Fire getting more support here.
Sorry to derail the thread ...
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ive got a Kindle Fire and for 200 bucks, you cant beat it. i rooted mine before the update, so i dont know how difficult it is to root on 6.2.2 (which i believe is the newest firmware), but i believe someone has gotten it done
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Disagree completely. I have had CM7 on two Kindles for months now with absolutely zero problems. If you experienced problems with "most apps" then I am guessing you had serious user errors, not CM or KF errors. Plus, having an onscreen volume slider with the Volume Control app works beautifully.
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Right lol...If your intention is rooting and using cm, buying a first gen android tablet for about the same price makes much more sense. It is something with the aspect ratio, I had numerous apps not behave correctly when going from landscape to portrait, and the software volume control options on cm7 were hideous. The tablet is great if you intend on using it in conjunction with prime as amazon intended though.
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