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Force close loop

Hey. Well, let me first say I've literally spent the past 12+ hours working on my phone. I am exhausted mentally. I searched the forums and I was shocked to see that only one topic came up about it and it wasn't even about force closes. It was a 100+ page CM post.
I rooted for the first time today using a method posted on these forums + extra info I found about adding the OTA radio leak, and installed UV Hydra kernels. I got Rom manager and flashed Skyraider 2.2 Sense. I booted a few times too and all was good. I swear I thought I was doing it all right taking it slow, rreading all of the info over and over. A true noob. Everything was all cozy until I got my old apps and tried to make a backup with Titanium.
It's so cliche to say it but I need serious help. I don't know what to do and I'm near tears after all this work. I have dozens of force closes going on immediately after boot and even thereafter. At one point it asked me to reset up the phone. I can't run any app because they force close immediately.
I don't know if it's the Rom, something else, or me.
I know this is long winded. Please forgive me. And if this is in the wrong forum section, please forgive that too.

Do a full wipe in recovery and flash the rim and kernel again...but upon restoring, only restore downloaded apps, not system apps.
I remember when it took 12+ hours just to get root (for some people anyway) those were the days.
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lilsaphyre said:
Hey. Well, let me first say I've literally spent the past 12+ hours working on my phone. I am exhausted mentally. I searched the forums and I was shocked to see that only one topic came up about it and it wasn't even about force closes. It was a 100+ page CM post.
I rooted for the first time today using a method posted on these forums + extra info I found about adding the OTA radio leak, and installed UV Hydra kernels. I got Rom manager and flashed Skyraider 2.2 Sense. I booted a few times too and all was good. I swear I thought I was doing it all right taking it slow, rreading all of the info over and over. A true noob. Everything was all cozy until I got my old apps and tried to make a backup with Titanium.
It's so cliche to say it but I need serious help. I don't know what to do and I'm near tears after all this work. I have dozens of force closes going on immediately after boot and even thereafter. At one point it asked me to reset up the phone. I can't run any app because they force close immediately.
I don't know if it's the Rom, something else, or me.
I know this is long winded. Please forgive me. And if this is in the wrong forum section, please forgive that too.
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Wow, That sounds like a seriously horrific days. Not sure if I can help, but i'll sure as hell try to. Can you verify that you Baseband Version is 2.05.00.06.11?
Did you create a nandroid backup of before you flashed any of the kernels? If you did I would restore that backup as I know some people have had issues running the old .29 hydra kernels with 2.2 roms. Or was this the new .32 kernels you flashed?
If you did not create a nandroid backup I would recommend flashing the leaked OTA from 8/1 located here, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=742242, this is a leak of what will be close to the stock 2.2 htc will release in the near future. Remember to wipe data, wipe cache, and wipe dalvik cache(located in "advanced" of recovery.) As soon as you flash that and can verify it is working create a nandroid backup of it before you add any apps, I would recommend signing into your gmail, testing camera and camcorder, make a call, sending and receiving both an sms and mms, 3g data check, and then creating the nandroid when you see those are working. After you create that nandroid then start installing apps. Hopefully this can help you out a little bit. If you have any questions, you can pm me and i'll do my best to try and help you out more.

jdkoreclipse said:
Indeed that does seem horriffic. I think he restored system apps from ti backup tho. Ive never saw anything like this that wasnt ti backup related.
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I didn't see you response until after I posted and you are most likely correct. I remember now, when i tried to restore system apps when i had a droid eris, that was not a fun day. Hopefully it's an easy fix and a learning experience, easiest way to learn is to make a mistake. Even though my answer is most likely not the solution to his problem, IMHO it's essential to always keep a nandroid of stock on your sdcard at all times, just in case.

Wow I see alot of info and I'm going to work with some of it but let me add this before I start dinking around today.
Right after I posted last night, I sat on the edge of my bed and had a thought. I had made a nandroid backup when I had almost every app back on my phone. The only ones I ones I didn't have when I got stuck were, Shoot me, Titanium backup, Adfree Android, and Tasker. Tasker being the only one I had before root. The others I picked up after.
SO! I told the phone to use the backup I had and I passed out to sleep.
I'm up now lol and thankfully I'm a stay at home mom so I can mess with this.
The backup made it a working phone again! Which is good. And this morning I had a second thought. When I opened Titanium backup last night, I got a message at the bottom of my screen that said Titanium had set itself up right... but it wouldn't go away. It kept looping itself. I thought it was just a fluke. Oh god... and NOW to think about it, that's WHY I rebooted in the first place. BECAUSE in the midst of it being weird, I tried to do a backup OMG. I wonder...
My Software says
Baseband 2.05.00.06.11
Kernel has a 32 in it

Alright I'm doing this nice and slow making backups along the way.
The only quirky thing that has happened is Titanium backup started spamming me again that it had been given superuser permissions so once again I had to reboot but this time it came up. Slow.... but it came up.
I guess what I"m trying to say is that I don't have a clue now what caused it.
OH! And my kernel is a 32 that came with the rom? The UV one I forgot to put on lol. It's on my SD card but I hadn't installed it. That one is a 29.
I just found a post on Android Forums where 2 people has this happen to them last night as well on Incredibles. They were without root.

If they were without root it could be a phone defect, I was going to recommend selecting fix permissions from rom manager.
EDIT: If ur running froyo try to only use .32 kernels. New kernels r up on Hydra website that are .32 check those out
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Is there a way to access Apps on a soft-bricked phone?

I'm stuck at the boot-screen of Deck's 1.2 rom, however, I can still access HBOOT and Clockwork Mod Recovery.
I don't see an explicit option, but is there a way I could access Apps or other data to save as a back-up?
I foolishly deleted my rom back-up, and last time I used Titanium Backup was a few weeks ago, so it's not a good option. Thanks!

Android 17 said:
I'm stuck at the boot-screen of Deck's 1.2 rom, however, I can still access HBOOT and Clockwork Mod Recovery.
I don't see an explicit option, but is there a way I could access Apps or other data to save as a back-up?
I foolishly deleted my rom back-up, and last time I used Titanium Backup was a few weeks ago, so it's not a good option. Thanks!
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As long as the .zip for the ROM doesn't wipe /data, you could reflash "Deck's 1.2 ROM hopefully fixing your issue and not losing your apps.

mattykinsx said:
As long as the .zip for the ROM doesn't wipe /data, you could reflash "Deck's 1.2 ROM hopefully fixing your issue and not losing your apps.
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I already tried wiping cache and dalvik, reflashing the rom, and I still get stuck in a boot-loop =/
Thanks for the suggestion though.

Android 17 said:
I already tried wiping cache and dalvik, reflashing the rom, and I still get stuck in a boot-loop =/
Thanks for the suggestion though.
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You could wipe /boot and /system as well and reflash and see if that fixes it.

mattykinsx said:
You could wipe /boot and /system as well and reflash and see if that fixes it.
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I just tried that and it didn't work either. This is maddening.
The last thing I remember doing was tinkering with the lockscreen settings in the advanced settings. I set up a rotary revamped lockscreen with Dolphin Browser HD as my custom application. I have Dolphin saved to SD too, but I don't see why such a small thing would cause constant bootloops.
It ran fine before 1.2 stable and messing with the lockscreen.

Android 17 said:
I just tried that and it didn't work either. This is maddening.
The last thing I remember doing was tinkering with the lockscreen settings in the advanced settings. I set up a rotary revamped lockscreen with Dolphin Browser HD as my custom application. I have Dolphin saved to SD too, but I don't see why such a small thing would cause constant bootloops.
It ran fine before 1.2 stable and messing with the lockscreen.
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I have titanium backup run every night along with my call log back up app and go sms to back up texts.
Prevents this kind of thing.
Nothing you've said you have done explains a boot loop.

mattykinsx said:
I have titanium backup run every night along with my call log back up app and go sms to back up texts.
Prevents this kind of thing.
Nothing you've said you have done explains a boot loop.
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That's a good idea. I usually just use Titanium backup when I'm doing a full wipe or flashing a ROM with significant updates, but since I'd been using Deck's for a while and having no issues whatsoever really and just updating incrementally, I didn't think to backup in a while.
I had actually backed-up the ROM prior to flashing 1.2 stable, but I needed to delete it to make room to back up the newer version, and I didn't think it'd be a big deal since it was stable for a few boots. I guess I got too comfortable.
This is ridiculous, I didn't make any changes to the ROM or flash any new radios or anything of the sort that should cause a bootloop.
I do also use the Theme Manager MattedBlues theme but I've been using that for over a week or so with no issues, so I doubt that's the cause.
Oh well, thanks for the ideas though.

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That's a good idea. I usually just use Titanium backup when I'm doing a full wipe or flashing a ROM with significant updates, but since I'd been using Deck's for a while and having no issues whatsoever really and just updating incrementally, I didn't think to backup in a while.
I had actually backed-up the ROM prior to flashing 1.2 stable, but I needed to delete it to make room to back up the newer version, and I didn't think it'd be a big deal since it was stable for a few boots. I guess I got too comfortable.
This is ridiculous, I didn't make any changes to the ROM or flash any new radios or anything of the sort that should cause a bootloop.
I do also use the Theme Manager MattedBlues theme but I've been using that for over a week or so with no issues, so I doubt that's the cause.
Oh well, thanks for the ideas though.
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Sorry I took my Xanax to sleep or else I'd likely be able to think of some kind of solution.
Hopefully someone else can help you out.

I think in CWM if you mount System&Data /apps you could utilize adb pull..... Also did you set up any custom partitions, a2sd, data2ext, ect... ?
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Actually thanks for the suggestions guys, I managed to dig up an older version of the rom saved on my downloads folder and flashed it and booted.
For some odd reason, an older release labeled as experimental works better than the 1.2 stable...
It's strange too because I looked around Deck's thread and no one else reported any problems similar to what I was having at all.
For all intents and purposes it appears to be very stable and functional for everyone BUT me
Thanks for the suggestions though. I guess I'll hold off on flashing any roms for a while or wait for a newer version and try flashing with a full wipe.

Cool glad you got her going.
Kaaameeehameeehaaaaaa!

Xperia Play epicly failing....please help?

What's going on guys? I've had my Play for a while and for the most part I love it...def could be faster but thats ok.
So, the problem. I'm rooted, but stock rom and kernel. I was using go launcher, go sms and have alot of apps, a 32gb sd card thats almost full. I installed go locker a couple nights ago and it was running great. Then, the next day, I have no clue if it relates to go locker...but now my phone is like on life support or something!
75% of apps force close upon opening, the phone is deathly slow if it doesnt close...like I'll open up "settings" and it will either FC or take 2 minutes to load up...then it loads and I click something and it FCs. SOMETIMES an app will open fine, play fine. Like muffin knight, sometimes it opens and plays 100%. other times it instantly FCs over and over. Every single app no matter how complex is subject to the same problems in the same way.
I honestly have no clue wtf is wrong. It feels analgous to a computer virus. Everything is bogged and broken. I tried cleaning my phone. I uninstalled every launcher and theme app, and then uninstalled about a dozen apps I dont use alot. I left mself with the bare minumum....Id then open the "messaging" app and it would crawl open to greet me with a force close. It doesnt seem to be a problem with any specific app.
I checked battery use....very normal stuff. I don't know whats going on!! but my phone barely works....someone will call and it will take 10 seconds for me to be able to slide the slider and accept the call...
Anyone have any direction for me? I don't want to flash any kernels or roms yet (waiting for 100% stability) and I'm busy right now w tests and I just want my phone back to how it was a few days ago. I'm using adw launcher now and its the same as with the go launcher or without anything....slow, force closes everywhere, hang ups everywhere...
thanks SO much for any help from anybody...I really appreciate it.

What device are you running? R800x? R800i?
Is your bootloader unlocked? What firmware/android version are you on?
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Leraeniesh said:
What device are you running? R800x? R800i?
Is your bootloader unlocked? What firmware/android version are you on?
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r800x, unlocked bootloader through hardfix with Alejandrissimo....and most current Verizon firmware so 2.3.4 (right?)
since I rooted it I haven't messed it with it much, just took the liberty of using apps like root explorer and stuff

Dyelon said:
r800x, unlocked bootloader through hardfix with Alejandrissimo....and most current Verizon firmware so 2.3.4 (right?)
since I rooted it I haven't messed it with it much, just took the liberty of using apps like root explorer and stuff
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If you have CWR installed I'd try to wipe the cache and dalvik cache. I've had weird things like that happen and wiping them fixes it.
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Clienterror said:
If you have CWR installed I'd try to wipe the cache and dalvik cache. I've had weird things like that happen and wiping them fixes it.
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I don't think I do....I'm really noob when it comes to the in depth rooting stuff but I don't even think I have a nandroid backup...
I can boot to that orange screen and I did save my state when I initially rooted...
How do I clear the caches for that stuff? Davlik, can that be done thru titanium backup?
and what about the other cache? How do I see if I have clockword recovery? (I never intentionally installed it so I don't think I have it?)

Okay so I wiped the davlik cache (like 24mb) thru titanium backup....and then I reinstalled the market (one of the more troublesome apps to open)...and then rebooted.
Tried opening a few apps in succession upon boot, and for the first time ever the phone froze and rebooted itself!
What the hell is going on?? Lol my phone was fine a few days ago and now its just insufferable!!
Any more ideas as to whats going on?
I never dled clockwork mod so I don't think I can wipe that cache?

Deleting dalvik-cache via Titanium Backup only deletes "unneeded" caches. You need to delete every dalvik-cache by going into data/dalvik-cache and deleting every file in it. Then reboot, which will rebuild the caches (first boot will take a while)

jacklebott said:
Deleting dalvik-cache via Titanium Backup only deletes "unneeded" caches. You need to delete every dalvik-cache by going into data/dalvik-cache and deleting every file in it. Then reboot, which will rebuild the caches (first boot will take a while)
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I deleted every file in the davlik cache folder...rebooted.
No change. Takes 10 seconds to open the phone...everything is slow/force closing.
Sigh. My phone is possessed and/or dying.

Then I suggest backing up your user-apps (if still possible) and doing a factory reset

Do a nandroid backup, then factory reset. Then install apps one by one testing for stability after each. If an app is causing problems that will identify it. Or provide us with a list of your apps and we could help determine if one of them may be the culprit.

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Then I suggest backing up your user-apps (if still possible) and doing a factory reset
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Wouldn't factory reset erase my root? Or no?
I paid for that root haha that would be disappointing

Dyelon said:
Wouldn't factory reset erase my root? Or no?
I paid for that root haha that would be disappointing
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I assume you paid to unlock the bootloader (reset does nothing to this). Root is much more easily obtained
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1312859

It won't. factory rest doesn't wrote the system partition where root is located.

Factory reset.

Please dont be scared of losing root, just use the search bar and type in doomlord zergrush. His script has to be the easiest most automated way to get root on any xeria firmware ever

TheCraig said:
Factory reset.
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Just want to thank you guys alot. I backed up everything i cared about in Titanium and did a factory reset...everythings running 100% now and I have all my apps back in place...
I really appreciate the help

Factory Data Reset before ICS . . .

It is great news I hear they are finally rolling out ICS but the big question I have even before this pending update is:
For those on stock how many plan to do a system wipe, that is Factory Data Reset and then update to ICS? I have over 100 apps and many tiring, tedious customizations on ADW EX launcher. This would be a new OS much like moving from Windows XP to Windows 7 therefore starting fresh seems like a logical choice so I can avoid junk messing with a new OS install,
But .... the thought of installing every single app and redoing all the widgets and customizations is giving me a brain tumor.
The question, yay or nay on factory reset?

AstroTrain said:
It is great news I hear they are finally rolling out ICS but the big question I have even before this pending update is:
For those on stock how many plan to do a system wipe, that is Factory Data Reset and then update to ICS? I have over 100 apps and many tiring, tedious customizations on ADW EX launcher. This would be a new OS much like moving from Windows XP to Windows 7 therefore starting fresh seems like a logical choice so I can avoid junk messing with a new OS install,
But .... the thought of installing every single app and redoing all the widgets and customizations is giving me a brain tumor.
The question, yay or nay on factory reset?
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ummmmm ever heard of titanium backup?

kingofyo1 said:
ummmmm ever heard of titanium backup?
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That would be nice IF he was rooted.

kingofyo1 said:
ummmmm ever heard of titanium backup?
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Actually, when I did a TB of all my apps on Gingerbread when I switched to ICS, it couldn't restore them. Would FC every time.

1) I would certainly do individual program backups. Much of your customization in ADW Launcher can be restored just by doing a backup in ADW and then restoring that backup later.
2) What's to lose by NOT doing a wipe now? Presumably once you have ICS if you are having problems you could do a factory data reset and then be returned to a reset version of ICS. Seems to me like you might as well give it a shot first.

What about the asus backup app? Ideal for this

It would be nice if Asus actually told us stock unrooted guys the correct update procedure.
Do we just update? Or do we back up everything using the new Asus backup app?
I would assume the update will wipe the tablet anyway, but Asus should really let us know.

Update went fine without doing any backup or wiping. If I do encounter problems, I'll bother with the factory reset. Until then, eh.

When I updated my Xoom to ICS from HC a month ago, I had no problems. I did not factory reset or wipe and everything worked perfect. But, it was my Xoom. I hope my TF101 goes as smooth. <fingers crossed>

The way I see it, a full wipe allows one to really assess whether or not the installed apps are still useful. There is a lot of junk that gets added on over the months just to test stuff out and just sits there, especially games. I don't do any fancy customizations, thankfully, so there is no worries. I am sure others may not be too happy about losing those obviously.

I think I will go with wiping the tablet after the update if I see issues, too lazy to reinstall everything but I prefer a clean install rather than the upgrade OS over honeycomb way.
I believe the problem with the Prime update was some apps/widgets were not compatible with ICS hence all the reboot issues.
In a way I wish Asus would force a clean install for the tablet providing a warning message prior so that incompatible apps don't muck up the system.

To be honest I don't want my data wiped since I actually store a lot of data on my transformer
It would be nice if they gave the option (i.e. made it optional) but I doubt they will

I have flashed my Nexus S just yesterday (2.3.6 -> 4.0.3; yes, I AM a late adapter..), and it went all smooth; no data loss at all (not-rooted, stock). So, I assume, TF should give the same treat when upgrading..

AstroTrain said:
<...> This would be a new OS much like moving from Windows XP to Windows 7 <...>
The question, yay or nay on factory reset?
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Relax . One man went from MS-DOS to windows 7 by upgrading one by one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14
I won't wipe everything. If I will experience some problems I can wipe after upgrade. That`s no difference to wipe before, or after. And in case of no problems I will have everything persited

The TFP's ICS update id not require app backup or anything like that. In fact, first ICS bootup the system scanned each individual app and checked for compatibility and modified the data to be compatible with the system.
I'm assuming the TF's ICS update is like this as well.
For those that are unrooted stock, just update. No worries.

Considering all the problems I'm having with my TF101, I'll be wiping and starting ICS fresh.
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AstroTrain said:
It is great news I hear they are finally rolling out ICS but the big question I have even before this pending update is:
For those on stock how many plan to do a system wipe, that is Factory Data Reset and then update to ICS? I have over 100 apps and many tiring, tedious customizations on ADW EX launcher. This would be a new OS much like moving from Windows XP to Windows 7 therefore starting fresh seems like a logical choice so I can avoid junk messing with a new OS install,
But .... the thought of installing every single app and redoing all the widgets and customizations is giving me a brain tumor.
The question, yay or nay on factory reset?
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You know ADW-EX has its own backup-restore feature for your settings and layout right?
Your apps should be synced with Google if you selected that. That means once you run the original setup program again for the first time it SHOULD re-download all your apps.
Or,
you could root, install Rogue Recovery, and backup your data partition. Then install ICS and restore your apps from the backup. Restoring the entire backup might work, but might not...

No way would Asus release an update that wipes data. Can you imagine grandma who has her TF101 set up perfectly losing everything because she clicked the "you have an update" button that popped up. It would be a customer service nightmare if it was a wipe update.
I will be wiping mine just because all my data is stored in Google/Evernote/OneNote and I can always reinstall apps I need as I go along (don't play games on it so that doesn't matter). I like a clean install of the base OS.
Edit: what's the best way to do a full wipe tomorrow, once ICS is available? Just using the menu to format the device then install the OTA?

I would do a Backup then update without wipe then when you do sort out after update you've always got those apps available if you want them back(e.g. Unknown Source apps that are not available through market)
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And.. Xperia Play R800i [Rooted][DarkForestROM3.0.5][DooMKernelOC1.6_Governor=SmartAssV2_I/Oscheduler=Deadline][BaseBand=36][RAMmanagerPro=Balanced(MoreFreeMemory)][ZeamLauncher][SDext2=1GB][Link2SD'd][280mbFreeInternalSpace]

ericshmerick said:
Edit: what's the best way to do a full wipe tomorrow, once ICS is available? Just using the menu to format the device then install the OTA?
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If you're using CWM, then do a regular format prior to flashing your update.zip.
If you're completely stock, then a simple data reset should be fine. More wiping requires root/custom recovery.

The Most Clean Installation Possible.

Hi guys,
"Do I need to make a full wipe?", I see this question asked over and over on development thread. And the developers patiently answer all the time. Well you can stop asking, here is the answer.
There is a lot of reason why you should do a full wipe.
1-) It prevents FC's, bootloops, gives better battery life and reduce other unexpected problems.
2-) By trying to save a little time you might end up with problems, loose a lot of time try to fix them, and finally making a wipe anyway to solve your problems.
3-) Some people just flash over their old ROM and then complain that the new ROM is buggy or Android plainly sucks. I don't think it's fair to blame hard working people(who gives you FREE products) for your own lazyness.
So why not do it right from the begining and save some time to everybody. Here is the procedure that I use(Thanks to Memnoc and DarkAdrien.) and is the most clean installation possible.
Memnoc and DarkAdrien's original post was created for battery optimization, I only re-wrote the steps that involve flashing a new ROM.
This will work with every Rom but some ROM's might ask for extra steps (fix permission, etc..), read instructions first.
1- Make backup of your current ROM. (no need to do this everytime, I keep one backup of my favorite ROM)
2- In recovery go to "mount & format" and format system.
3- Format data.
4- Format cache.
5- Go to Main menu and do "Wipe data/ Restore"
6- Wipe cache partition.
7- Go to Advance and wipe calvik cache.
8- Flash your new ROM ONLY. (IMPORTANT: Wait after #10 before flashing anything else)
9- Reboot
10- (This step might not work between ICS/JB or between AOKP/AOSP/Samsung)
Go back to recovery and in Backup choose "Advance restore" and then choose "restore Data". -Reboot again
(if you have problem with some apps, you might want to uninstall them before the backup and reinstall them the normal way after #10, or you can use Titanium Backup to test if they work well in the new ROM)
# 2-3-4 are not doing the same thing as #6, Read original post bellow for explanation.
This whole process from 1 to 10 should take you 15 minutes. From 2 to 7 should take less than 1 minute.
Your phone will have a very clean ROM and all your apps, contacts, SMS, games, etc... will be exactly like they were before.
I've flashed over 50 roms using this procedure and it always work fine.
Memnoc original post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16808932
DarkAdrien original post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=937080
If it helps please says thanks.
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You obviously don't have 20+GB of data to backup/restore each time...

Kremata said:
making a full wipe is ALWAYS better.
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Then, by your own admission it is not always necessary. "better" ≠ "necessary"
If posters were clear that it is only recommended, not necessary, then no one would need to ask the question in the first place.
I've seen posts telling people to do a wipe when upgrading from official stock to another official stock. There is absolutely no need for that except in the rarest of circumstances.

full wipe is only required if there are major changes in the new rom to be flashed or the user is facing any trouble in his previous roms. Unless otherwise its a waste of time.

That list is a little excessive and needs to be tuned down. When you flash a rom it already formats everything except for "system"
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bala_gamer said:
full wipe is only required if there are major changes in the new rom to be flashed or the user is facing any trouble in his previous roms. Unless otherwise its a waste of time.
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Question.
I've been using LI5 for quite sometime without any problems, and a couple of days ago suddenly the phone started showing signs of sluggishness.
Even moving between the screens of Apex launcher seemed to be quite jerky. I tried uninstalling some apps etc (thinking they might have caused some memory leak or something), to no avail.
Just wanted to ask, will a full wipe and reinstall solve this problem? I'm planning to restore all my apps back.

I upgraded from stock ICS to stock JB, then through three more JB revisions.
I have yet to perform a wipe and everything is running great!
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g4rvd4 said:
Question.
I've been using LI5 for quite sometime without any problems, and a couple of days ago suddenly the phone started showing signs of sluggishness.
Even moving between the screens of Apex launcher seemed to be quite jerky. I tried uninstalling some apps etc (thinking they might have caused some memory leak or something), to no avail.
Just wanted to ask, will a full wipe and reinstall solve this problem? I'm planning to restore all my apps back.
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If a normal flash dosent work good go for a full wipe
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kilrah said:
You obviously don't have 20+GB of data to backup/restore each time...
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20gb data? Your apps use up to 20gb? o.0....
bala_gamer said:
full wipe is only required if there are major changes in the new rom to be flashed or the user is facing any trouble in his previous roms. Unless otherwise its a waste of time.
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Yeah true but seriously I hope they tried wiping before they complains problems like tons of apps fc... Really annoying...

tanjiajun_34 said:
20gb data? Your apps use up to 20gb? o.0....
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Nanodrois backups can be up to 4 gbs or more.
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g4rvd4 said:
Question.
I've been using LI5 for quite sometime without any problems, and a couple of days ago suddenly the phone started showing signs of sluggishness.
Even moving between the screens of Apex launcher seemed to be quite jerky. I tried uninstalling some apps etc (thinking they might have caused some memory leak or something), to no avail.
Just wanted to ask, will a full wipe and reinstall solve this problem? I'm planning to restore all my apps back.
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I had the exact problem, same launcher too, a full wipe sorted it. Restored apps with titanium and now I'm flying.

kilrah said:
You obviously don't have 20+GB of data to backup/restore each time...
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Your telling me you have 20gb of ROM+APPS?

SlimJ87D said:
Nanodrois backups can be up to 4 gbs or more.
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No but 20gb+ When did your phone has so big data partition?
unless you telling me you backing up your sd cards as well which is pointless..

irish-sid said:
I had the exact problem, same launcher too, a full wipe sorted it. Restored apps with titanium and now I'm flying.
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Cool.
Which ROM btw?

tanjiajun_34 said:
No but 20gb+ When did your phone has so big data partition?
unless you telling me you backing up your sd cards as well which is pointless..
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Well I'm sure if we think it over there can be plenty of reason why someone doesn't have room for backups if they are a flashholic, loves music, games and always on the go.
Who knows, I don't think it's that big of a deal.
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I have a 16GB phone and an 8GB card and, as of yesterday, they were full to the brim.
So- yes! People can have that much data.

Just one question................. Do I need to do a full wipe?
I'm sorry I just had to, but pretty much the rule is if the Android version is the same a full wipe is not needed, if it's an upgrade to the same android version ex 4.0.1 to 4.0.2 there is a chance you will need a full wipe, if the android version completly different ex 2.3.6 to 4.0.1 or 4.0.4 to 4.1.1 there is a good chance you will need a full wipe.
The exception is stock ROMs are usually designed as no wipe, therefore they have been designed so you shouldn't need a full wipe, but if there are any problems, like lag, or bootloops you should wipe, but it is not always needed.

Aughhhhh.
I've been quiet for a while and nice and peaceful.
Feel.....anger.....rising.....must....resist....temptation......
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g4rvd4 said:
Cool.
Which ROM btw?
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Check Rom 5.5
DeadSOL said:
I have a 16GB phone and an 8GB card and, as of yesterday, they were full to the brim.
So- yes! People can have that much data.
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I have my music, pics, nandroids, titanium backups and the Rom I'm about to flash on my exSd. I pull the card out, wipe the phone clean, Stick it back in, flash rom, restore apps. Very quick easy process.
If you're that anal then you should save up and invest in a 32gb sd card or whatever bigger is available. We'll all need one eventually

Kremata said:
I don't see the reason why someone would not make a full wipe?
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Developers sometimes label their ROMs as "No wipe". Whether you feel this is accurate or not, don't be surprised when folks don't wipe.