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[DISUCSS] Phone not represeted as Marketing..

i really want to buy this phone but i keep getting reasons not ..
if phone cant run PSP/PS1 game...(not even PSP Emulator from Sony )
and only can run PSP developed to Android games..
(which for some reason i dont see GOW and other titles coming to Android)
what other reasons i got buy this phone?
Thank you

TDMaster said:
i really want to buy this phone but i keep getting reasons not ..
if phone cant run PSP/PS1 game...(not even PSP Emulator from Sony )
and only can run PSP developed to Android games..
(which for some reason i dont see GOW and other titles coming to Android)
what other reasons i got buy this phone?
Thank you
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It can play ps1 games with the emulator fpse
I play final fantasy , tekken 3 , gran turismo at full speed ! if you want I can make a video
I think with the xperia play a developer will create a worthy psp emulator (at least I hope so

arcticmedia said:
It can play ps1 games with the emulator fpse
I play final fantasy , tekken 3 , gran turismo at full speed ! if you want I can make a video
I think with the xperia play a developer will create a worthy psp emulator (at least I hope so
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There isn't even a really working PSP emulator on PC However, Sony Ericsson demo'd God of War and Little Big Planet from the PSP on the phone already - so we will most likely see some ports of existing PSP games appear in the Playstation Pocket app.

Meister_Li said:
There isn't even a really working PSP emulator on PC However, Sony Ericsson demo'd God of War and Little Big Planet from the PSP on the phone already - so we will most likely see some ports of existing PSP games appear in the Playstation Pocket app.
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do you have a link to that? that would be really interesting to read/watch
as for the OP, i said to my self long before i got this phone was confirmed that if any manufacturer made a android phone with a slide out gamepad i would buy it even if it had zero games at launch or the foreseeable future
why would i buy such a device? emulators and thousands of roms that come with them plus the android games, the icing on the cake will be PS suite, possible PSP games in the future would be further icing
im not sure what you want out of this phone but maybe this has helped you in some way

There IS a emu for psp on pc called jpcsp which is java develop

I only remember it from some page where they said they demo'ed GOW and LBP's PSP counterparts on the Play. I think it was from the TGS, but I could be wrong.
I know of the emulator, but from what I heard, it performs very poorly. I don't think it's realistic to expect it to work on the phone in any usable form. The PSP Hardware is pretty close to the PS2, and you need a 2Ghz dual core Processor on a PC to get any joy out of it's emulator, which is not programmed in Java (and thus faster in general)

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I only remember it from some page where they said they demo'ed GOW and LBP's PSP counterparts on the Play. I think it was from the TGS, but I could be wrong.
I know of the emulator, but from what I heard, it performs very poorly. I don't think it's realistic to expect it to work on the phone in any usable form. The PSP Hardware is pretty close to the PS2, and you need a 2Ghz dual core Processor on a PC to get any joy out of it's emulator, which is not programmed in Java (and thus faster in general)
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There is no way that Hardware from 2-3 years of the PSP is better then 1GHZ CPU and the Graphics card i find it weird if so...
and Android is not all Java there is NDK which is Native C++ OpenGL 2.1

TDMaster said:
There is no way that Hardware from 2-3 years of the PSP is better then 1GHZ CPU and the Graphics card i find it weird if so...
and Android is not all Java there is NDK which is Native C++ OpenGL 2.1
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I think you misunderstand how Emulators work. They emulate - as the name implies - the hardware of another system by software. That means, you need a TON more resources to emulate the hardware of the other System. Usually, that means you need to jump at least two generations ahead to make it work.
Some examples:
A GBA has 66 Mhz. To Emulate it back in the day properly, you needed about 800Mhz to do it.
The PS2 has a 300 Mhz CPU and 147 Mhz GPU. To make it run on today's computers via emulation, you need a 2.5 Ghz Dual core. And even that isn't very smooth in some games.
Ontop of that, the Emulator you're refering to is coded in Java, which means it'll be easy to port, but eat EVEN MORE resources due to the unspecialised code.

[DISCUSS] PSP Games?

Does anyone think/know if it will ever be possible to play PSP games on this device? It is much more powerful than the PSP, and has the same buttons, so i was thinking if it would be possible. I know it would require some emulation, and that's not easy
But what do you think? One day maybe..?

I can see games like patapon, loco roco being ported over easily. psp emulation on the phone prob will never happen but sony could recode games from the psp to the xperia play.

Krislawl said:
I can see games like patapon, loco roco being ported over easily. psp emulation on the phone prob will never happen but sony could recode games from the psp to the xperia play.
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I do think this is a possibility, and I can see that games in this format would suit the platform very well, although it would be nice for some more "hardcore" games to be ported

McGinty13 said:
I do think this is a possibility, and I can see that games in this format would suit the platform very well, although it would be nice for some more "hardcore" games to be ported
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I think Leisure Suit Larry will be as close to 'hardcore' as you'll get!

That would be quite to my likings
Wouldn't mind them making san andreas stories for the xperia play or something. But would be more then happy with a vice city stories port.

I doubt it. PSP is pretty powerful, dual 333 MHz processors. MIPS architecture (Play uses ARM IIRC)

if sony bother to recode some PSP games to run natively on the play, there is a possibility
only time will tell

NeoTechni said:
I doubt it. PSP is pretty powerful, dual 333 MHz processors. MIPS architecture (Play uses ARM IIRC)
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i'm pretty sure it's a single core

Krislawl said:
i'm pretty sure it's a single core
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it is. but it has the media engine too (which seems to be, in essence, another cpu)
it'll be more likely to see a "wine" kinda thing, from the psp os to android, than emulation.

Krislawl said:
i'm pretty sure it's a single core
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It isnt. We've known it has 2, 333 MHz processors since before it was launched
And as someone who has developed for PSP, I know this personally.

Theorycraft Tegra 3

Pure speculation at this point, but anyone who might have more insight than the rest of us chime in on the full power of a Tegra 3 that we are supposed to be seeing in the next Transformer.
Specifically my wife is giving me the ultimatum on my PS2 game discs that are gathering dust. I adamantly insist that I'll see a PS2 emu on the Tegra 3 so I am saving all my PS2 RPG's for that day. She thinks I am being a packrat.
Only you can save my PS2 discs from the salvation army!

Don't hold out hope for a PS2 emulator on Android any time soon. The current PS1 emulators barely run at full speed, even when overclocked. On PC, you need about a 4Ghz CPU clock to run most PS2 games at full speed. It's all because the PS2 runs on a unique architecture that no one has yet been able to optimize for current hardware, and Sony has never been nice enough to open source the PS2 for emulators.
My advice? Rip all of your PS2 games to a hard drive, then get yourself a brand new gaming PC and overclock the crap out of it.

Hm, I never had any gaming device other than the original nintendo... and I got that from a garage sale. Man, you people are spoiled.

earlyberd said:
Don't hold out hope for a PS2 emulator on Android any time soon. The current PS1 emulators barely run at full speed, even when overclocked. On PC, you need about a 4Ghz CPU clock to run most PS2 games at full speed. It's all because the PS2 runs on a unique architecture that no one has yet been able to optimize for current hardware, and Sony has never been nice enough to open source the PS2 for emulators.
My advice? Rip all of your PS2 games to a hard drive, then get yourself a brand new gaming PC and overclock the crap out of it.
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Thanks for the honest answer.

An even different point of view: the PS3 can't emulate via software the PS2. And Sony kinda knows how a PS2 works
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PSP games on the Xperia Play.

I was wondering if it wil be possible to run PSP games on this device.
I should be getting it next week. The other games sound great but I'm really looking into playing MHP3rd (great game if you don't know it)
I understand there is no current way to play PSP games but, is anyone working on it?
Thanks in advance!

If you bought this phone thinking of playing PSP games, you better return it. There is no way that this hardware, or the next couple of generations, can emulate PSP.
From N64 below though... It's fair game

What he said. If your talking about emulating psp on the xperia play then thats impossible, even on the most powerful smartphones it would be impossible. (well maybe not impossible but definitely very very very slow, just look at the DS emulator)

A PSP emulator would be very slow, yet the Dreamcast emulator still in development ran the entire Shenmue introduction at 102% speed on the Galaxy S II? Is the PSP really that much more powerful than the Dreamcast?

Selim873 said:
A PSP emulator would be very slow, yet the Dreamcast emulator still in development ran the entire Shenmue introduction at 102% speed on the Galaxy S II? Is the PSP really that much more powerful than the Dreamcast?
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The psp is so powerful that if I were to post it's specs, there is a 3.14% chance this entire site can implode.
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You're talking about a dual core device with 333 mhz which takes a nice 2.5 GHz with 4 GB Ram to run its most well known emulator properly. It's true that Java programs like Jpcsp need more oomph than programs in other languages like C, but emulating PSP is a daunting task, unfeasible by today's state of the art mobile hardware.
Contrast the single core, 200 mhz processor in Sega's console. its emulators run with less specs than PSP emulators, and it is very plausible that the Xplay won't boot but the simplest of games, not unlike today when slower phones can only run Mario 64 without sound.

Wait, there's a DreamCast Emulator on the way??? Holy moly that is going to be amazing, will the Xperia run it alright?

PSP games won't be emulated on the Xperia Play - HOWEVER
I believe the phone's specs are actually better than the PSP's specs - so in theory at least, PSP games could be ported to the Xperia Play. Not emulated, but properly ported.
That's if Sony can be bothered.

Erikwithafro said:
Wait, there's a DreamCast Emulator on the way??? Holy moly that is going to be amazing, will the Xperia run it alright?
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It works and it runs full speed on a galaxy s 2, the developer hasn't released it though. Then again he made a dreamcast emulator for the psp years ago and never released that either. :/

bubblegumballoon said:
It works and it runs full speed on a galaxy s 2, the developer hasn't released it though. Then again he made a dreamcast emulator for the psp years ago and never released that either. :/
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I wonder if it's actually using both cores though, if it isn't I'm sure a OCed XP has a shot at emulating it.
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Just one thing about the title of the thread...
"PSP games on the Xperia Play." ----> Statement.
"PSP games on the Xperia Play?" ----> Question.
If you are gonna ask something, use a question, ok? Thanks.

Clienterror said:
I wonder if it's actually using both cores though, if it isn't I'm sure a OCed XP has a shot at emulating it.
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Its a port of the pc emulator NullDC which only uses one core, Its very unlikely that the emulator uses both cores. (no emulators use both yet).

White_Pointer said:
PSP games won't be emulated on the Xperia Play - HOWEVER
I believe the phone's specs are actually better than the PSP's specs - so in theory at least, PSP games could be ported to the Xperia Play. Not emulated, but properly ported.
That's if Sony can be bothered.
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The XPlay is FAR more powerful than the PSP, the PSP had 64mb ram and a 333 mhz processor. So while that may not be enough of an exponential increase to do an emulator, ports would be very possible.
Just have to wait for the Suite to come out to see whats available. Too bad it feels like that won't happen anytime soon.

I'd say they are probably timing the launch of the PS Suite to coincide with the launch of the Vita. Just a hunch I have.

Ignorance is... bliss.

White_Pointer said:
PSP games won't be emulated on the Xperia Play - HOWEVER
I believe the phone's specs are actually better than the PSP's specs - so in theory at least, PSP games could be ported to the Xperia Play. Not emulated, but properly ported.
That's if Sony can be bothered.
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You have alot to learn my friend

bubblegumballoon said:
It works and it runs full speed on a galaxy s 2, the developer hasn't released it though. Then again he made a dreamcast emulator for the psp years ago and never released that either. :/
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I've seen videos of progress on the PSP, and there's only one video of his Wii port. They both run severely slow, he probably couldn't even optimize them specifically for those systems as easily as he could for the Android. Android on the other hand, have been getting more and more powerful as time goes by.
Even compared to the Wii...
Wii: 88MB Ram, CPU clocked at 729MHz.
Xperia Play: 512MB Ram, CPU clocked at 1.00GHz.

Selim873 said:
I've seen videos of progress on the PSP, and there's only one video of his Wii port. They both run severely slow, he probably couldn't even optimize them specifically for those systems as easily as he could for the Android. Android on the other hand, have been getting more and more powerful as time goes by.
Even compared to the Wii...
Wii: 88MB Ram, CPU clocked at 729MHz.
Xperia Play: 512MB Ram, CPU clocked at 1.00GHz.
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I think it will and power of our hardware with Android yesterday after almost 2 years, I turned on again the psp fat to give to my son and curiosity I put the N64 emulator super mario64 and are appalled by slow and he was without sound emulation, with which even if it was activated was unplayable ....... I mean that today's technology and the very top and specifically to emulate the PSP on and Android difficult but not impossible;-)

Selim873 said:
I've seen videos of progress on the PSP, and there's only one video of his Wii port. They both run severely slow, he probably couldn't even optimize them specifically for those systems as easily as he could for the Android. Android on the other hand, have been getting more and more powerful as time goes by.
Even compared to the Wii...
Wii: 88MB Ram, CPU clocked at 729MHz.
Xperia Play: 512MB Ram, CPU clocked at 1.00GHz.
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Thats fair enough but the wii has a much much much more powerfull gpu than the play meaning it only needs a percentage of the memory/processing power to display much more complex graphics. Plus consoles have dedicated graphics, the play dosent.
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I see a lot of people mentioning clock speed in emulation arguments. What you have to remember is that clock speed is only relevant when your comparing two CPU of similar architecture. A dual core Pentium IIII clocked at 3.9 Ghz is not even AS fast as a core 2 duo clocked at say 3.0. A better architecture means better performance, and while gaming consoles don't always have a high clock speed, they usually have tightly integrated designs with efficient architectures.
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Anyone here planning on using the Nexus 4 to display its screen onto a Miracast TV?

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/...yboard-multiple-users-photo-sphere/in/3335719
The highlight is support for Miracast, an industry-standard Wi-Fi display sharing protocol that allows new devices like the Nexus 4 to stream audio and video to TVs. (Think AirPlay with broad industry support.) Miracast boxes for existing TVs are expected to go on sale from a variety of companies soon, and Google expects them to cost well under $99. And Miracast will soon be built directly into TVs, which is pretty exciting — LG's already committed to building it into all of its 2013 smart TVs. The technology worked quite well in our demo of Android 4.2 on a Nexus 4, and Google says developers can use each screen independently for big-screen gaming and other apps.
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Seems like you could do this with your Nexus 4 and play gaming emulators with a bluetooth game controller on your big screen TV wirelessly :victory:
I wonder how well the n64 or Playstation emulators run on the 2gb of ram + S4 Pro cpu?

Is Miracast a brand of TV? I was try to find some information about this, but I don't think it's out yet. Is it more of a device like the Apple TV that our device will link to, or would it be more like an Apple TV sort of thing? Either way, I've never really tried Wi-Fi direct or any branch of it so I guess I'm excited.

Wi-Di
It looks like the Newest Intel Wi-Di software supports Miracast as well.
Looks like I'm buying a Miracast adapter now.

ap3604 said:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/...yboard-multiple-users-photo-sphere/in/3335719
Seems like you could do this with your Nexus 4 and play gaming emulators with a bluetooth game controller on your big screen TV wirelessly :victory:
I wonder how well the n64 or Playstation emulators run on the 2gb of ram + S4 Pro cpu?
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My Xperia Play with Qualcomm 1ghz cpu and old ass Adreno 205 gpu can handle N64 and PSX games. I get 1000fps in 2d PSX games with my previous Galaxy S3 which has quadcore Mali-400 gpu. I don't think the S4 Pro and its new Adreno GPU which is supposed to be just as fast or faster will have any problem.
I do plan to get the Nexus 4, but I still prefer my Xperia Play for classic gaming.

eksasol said:
My Xperia Play with Qualcomm 1ghz cpu and old ass Adreno 205 gpu can handle N64 and PSX games. I get 1000fps in 2d games playing FPSE with my previous Galaxy S3 which has quadcore Mali-400. I don't think the S4 Pro and its new Adreno GPU will have any problem.
I still prefer my Xperia Play for classic gaming.
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Interesting. It's been awhile since I've used android so I wasn't sure. So you can play Final Fantasy 7 with no hiccups and the music is in sync? I remember when I could play FF7 and I wasn't sure if the hardware wasn't fast enough or if the emulator needed to be updated and tweaked.
Any emulator you would recommend for FF-7 or Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time?

The Play can handle those games. FPSE is probably the best PSX emulator, if you turn off framelimiter it can go over 100fps. The touchpad (joystick) is working too, but it depends if the app support it or not. For N64 I use N64oid, it might not be 100% smooth on some games, but playable for most, I suspect Mupen64Plus could be faster. I also recommend emulators made by "explusalpha". Anything 2D can be handled easily.
This device doesn't seem to have TV output though. Also you can't have too big hands because the gamepad is a bit on the small size so you might get cramp over long sessions. It might be better to get a bluetooth gamepad in that case.
You can get a refurb Verizon Play for very cheap on ebay right now. But if you want to install custom rom, only the international (R800i) can unlock its bootloader (without paid service), because the Play required flashing the kernel separately by fastboot in order for the rom to boot.
Otherwise, this phone have similar spec to the HTC Nexus One, so its quite underpowered by today standard. It does have have nice stereo speakers and excellent sound quality. It's camera is a bit less detailed than the Galaxy Nexus, but actually perform better over different lighting. It even support GLONASS.
I have an iControlPad, which also an excellent bluetooth gamepad, but I never use it with the convenience of the Play.

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It's camera is a bit less detailed than the Galaxy Nexus, but actually perform better over different lighting. It even support GLONASS.
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Why do you think it will have GLONASS? I can see it nowhere in specs. And, no I don't count gsmarena - they posted that as rumour specs weeks ago....
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Monkeybrew said:
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It's camera is a bit less detailed than the Galaxy Nexus, but actually perform better over different lighting. It even support GLONASS.
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Why do you think it will have GLONASS? I can see it nowhere in specs. And, no I don't count gsmarena - they posted that as rumour specs weeks ago....
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I was talking about my Xperia Play.
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