Hi,
I am considering on buying transformer tf101 with dock in a couple days, to replace my windows xp netbook.
I am planning on using it, on working with documents(words), creating slides(powerpoint) and presentation(connect it to vga projector). Accesing my email. Reading pdf. Using skype on the go(i guess i need the transformers with modem installed)
My questions are,
- user interface from xp to honeycomb (or ics), any simmilarities?
- should i root the device in order to upgrade to custom rom?
- if that the case which custom rom would you suggest for me?
- until now i always work my documents with microsoft office, so which office apps would you recommend me ? Since there are several out there.
- what about presentation with vga connector, any experience?
- how long does the battery last, without dock and with dock?
Thank you for your feedback.
indiziert said:
Hi,
I am considering on buying transformer tf101 with dock in a couple days, to replace my windows xp netbook.
I am planning on using it, on working with documents(words), creating slides(powerpoint) and presentation(connect it to vga projector). Accesing my email. Reading pdf. Using skype on the go(i guess i need the transformers with modem installed)
My questions are,
- user interface from xp to honeycomb (or ics), any simmilarities?
- should i root the device in order to upgrade to custom rom?
- if that the case which custom rom would you suggest for me?
- until now i always work my documents with microsoft office, so which office apps would you recommend me ? Since there are several out there.
- what about presentation with vga connector, any experience?
- how long does the battery last, without dock and with dock?
Thank you for your feedback.
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Similarities none.
Yes only if you want to I did because custom tf101 roms with custom kernels far surpassed stock in many aspects with honeycomb with ice cream sandwich there is alot to be done before they reach the same level.
Development is on going and icys is new so cant pick one at the moment to be all round better.
The tf101 and tf101g etc come with Polaris office which is good and reads MS Office docs but there are lots of options on the market comes down to preference.
Never tried it but I know you can wirelessly.
Its different between stock and custom but I can get 18hrs with dock probably 8-10 without depending on usage and settings.
Hope this helps
Also if your keeping the xp netbook as a backup or plan to keep it try windows8 on it you may find abit of a speed boost and its compatible with all programs from xp to the last win7
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using XDA Premium HD app
A tablet can not yet replace a laptop IMHO
indiziert said:
I am considering on buying transformer tf101 with dock in a couple days, to replace my windows xp netbook.
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IMHO any Tablet will not replace a WindowsXP notebook completely. When it comes to typing, even a Transformer with a keyboard, is not as good as a laptop with Windows or GNU/Linux. The Android Office applications are designed for the touch screen, and not for a keyboard use, which makes them painful for nominal editing with a mouse and regular keyboard.
indiziert said:
I am planning on using it, on working with documents(words), creating slides(powerpoint) and presentation(connect it to vga projector). [
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That IMHO is a show stopper. You will be severely disappointed.
indiziert said:
Accesing my email. Reading pdf. Using skype on the go(i guess i need the transformers with modem installed)
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Skype on the go is GREAT ! For just portable reading, a Tablet is far far far superior IMHO. BUT if you wish to reply, then a Tablet fails in comparison.
indiziert said:
- user interface from xp to honeycomb (or ics), any simmilarities?
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Its very difficult with the Asus Transformer to stop the update to ICS.
indiziert said:
- should i root the device in order to upgrade to custom rom?
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Someone else needs to answer this. I have not rooted my Tablet.
indiziert said:
- until now i always work my documents with microsoft office, so which office apps would you recommend me ? Since there are several out there.
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Again, IMHO you will be disappointed with the Interface. Don't do this to yourself. Keep your winXP. A Tablet can not compete here.
indiziert said:
- what about presentation with vga connector, any experience?
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The Transformer has an HDMI output, and one can purchase an Asus HDMI to VGA adapter. I have done so and it works reasonably well, with the exception that it chops of the lower part of the Android display when projecting on the 'big screen'. That is a bit annoying, but as long as one keeps the projected material of interest on the top 80% of the screen it is not a problem.
indiziert said:
- how long does the battery last, without dock and with dock?
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It depends on your use. I drove an external projector continuous for about 8 hours and when the Transformer got down to about 20% battery I got nervous and plugged in the keyboard dock (which has a battery). And went for another couple of hours when our 10 hour work day was over. I still had battery power left.
I like my TF101 Transformer. I have ICS installed. I suffer from the reboot problem (with reboots once/day) IF I never switch OFF my transformer. But if I switch OFF my transformer a few times/day (when walking to work, when walking home from work, prior to going to bed at night) then I don't have the reboot problems. Asus are working on the reboot issue.
Good luck in your consideration process.
I think a TF101 with the dock is great for reading and sending emails. Much quicker than booting up a winxp machine, even from hibernation etc.
I use my Tablet primarily for reading pdf's, books, email, calendar and useful for all the available apps like google maps etc. I would definintely not buy one with the mindset for using office on it on the go, because it is no where near the standard of using Microsoft Office and probably won't be for a while. In saying that I use it quite a lot for word typing etc. anywhere there is a decent wifi hotspot as I use splashtop to remotely access my pc/laptop, and thus have access to all the programs on my windows pc, however you need a decent wifi connection for this to work well but when it does work well it is just like running windows on your tablet (if using the dock).
Cheers,
Sent from my Transformer TF101G using Tapatalk
Polaris and Quick Office pro on par (with Polaris i have some saving probs, but it has a nice and quick interface - Quick Office is good with Googledocs and Dropbox, sometimes is has probs reading the right extensions). Third place: documents to go
You can use office for simple creating and editing. Writing a letter is no problem. Using open/libre office on linux/windows with mouse is way faster and easier.
Silverlight doesnt work properly: some things do work, some things don't. You have to find alternatives or 'workarounds'. For my work (teacher among other things) it replaces my netbook (with linux/windows) almost completely.
I love the silence, the coolness, the easy to pick up (still easier than a netbook), the battery (16+ hours with dock - so: no strings attached )
I think in the whole: my productivity jumped 15%+ (email, reporting, calendar, todo, making notes, individual instructions). pe when i write a note (i use Jotterpad HD a lot) i can send it way quicker than on a netbook (email, contactlist is under my finger). The intensity or quantity of communication jumped around 25%.
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using xda premium
indiziert said:
Hi,
My questions are,
- user interface from xp to honeycomb (or ics), any simmilarities?
- should i root the device in order to upgrade to custom rom?
- if that the case which custom rom would you suggest for me?
- until now i always work my documents with microsoft office, so which office apps would you recommend me ? Since there are several out there.
- what about presentation with vga connector, any experience?
- how long does the battery last, without dock and with dock?
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1. they are both... graphical? lol. Well thats pretty much where the similarities start and end
2. I dont think you have to, but Id recommend it to get a different recovery, which has a lot more options than the stock.
3. Youre gonna have to try them out yourself and see which fits you the best.
4. Alternatives to office? Remote Desktop from the tablet to a Windows PC. yeah...
5. Dont know.
6. My battery lasts anywhere between 6 and 10h usage, depending on load. Idle it would last around 5 days (note: IDLE, as in, no usage).
Thats without the dock. I dont have the dock so cant give any information about that.
But in short: A tablet cant really replace a windows machine. Well, when I say that it obviously depends on your needs.
When I get my dock my TF will replace my laptop, as I only use that to browse the web and watch some movies before going to sleep.
But if you are in need of the microsoft office tools, for example, your best option is to buy a 10" netbook instead, or if youre like me and can remote control a windows PC most of the time, then the tablet is a good option again.
"if you wish to reply, then a tablet fails in comparison"
...did i read that right? was that about replying to emails? if so, i would like to wholeheartedly disagree.
Anyway, let me answer the OP in this way, i pretty much replaced my computer with the tablet for the following activities:
* media consumption (watching/downloading movies) little caveat of maximum of 720p. 1080p is hit or miss. I typically do HDMI out for this to my tv. it's excellent with dice player. i recently got a netflix account going. aside from the fact that there's nothing on netflix i really want to stream...the device works very well with the service.
* web browsing - not as quick as computer, but definitely a good experience. i tend to frequent media-heavy sites (flash videos, etc) and it manages to chug along.
* light document editing. again, touch screen is not the same as a mouse, and android, even with a mouse/touchpad, is just not designed to work with the input device. word processing, with the right app, is definitely doable. spreadsheets, and presentations...probably a bit much.
** get yourself a wireless printer (they've gotten cheap over the years) and an app called PrinterShare. very nice combo.
* games...oodles of fun
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk
Coming from a Win XP netbook, you can expect a lot more performance on the TF with ICS.
Even better with the lastest custom ROMs.
Can't recommend a stable one because they are all still in development fase. Maybe Revolver 4 1.3.1 or ARHD 3.10.
You'll have to take some time to adapt, as Android has touchscreen based UI.
But overall you will have a much improved experience for sure.
18 hrs ?!?
Danzano said:
Similarities none.
Yes only if you want to I did because custom tf101 roms with custom kernels far surpassed stock in many aspects with honeycomb with ice cream sandwich there is alot to be done before they reach the same level.
Development is on going and icys is new so cant pick one at the moment to be all round better.
The tf101 and tf101g etc come with Polaris office which is good and reads MS Office docs but there are lots of options on the market comes down to preference.
Never tried it but I know you can wirelessly.
Its different between stock and custom but I can get 18hrs with dock probably 8-10 without depending on usage and settings.
Hope this helps
Also if your keeping the xp netbook as a backup or plan to keep it try windows8 on it you may find abit of a speed boost and its compatible with all programs from xp to the last win7
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using XDA Premium HD app
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@Danzano, 18 hrs? never imagine that kind of long lasting battery.
i am planning to left my netbook at home and using it at backup, therefor no need the windows 8.
only use the tf101g on the go, without dock as document / email reader and with dock as to create documents.
kinda curious, what about using mouse on tf101?
You might try a search. All these questions have been asked and answered several times.
80% from vga output
oldcpu said:
IMHO any Tablet will not replace a WindowsXP notebook completely. When it comes to typing, even a Transformer with a keyboard, is not as good as a laptop with Windows or GNU/Linux. The Android Office applications are designed for the touch screen, and not for a keyboard use, which makes them painful for nominal editing with a mouse and regular keyboard.
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but it is still possible to use mouse on tf101? any experience(especially in working on document or creating power point)?
oldcpu said:
That IMHO is a show stopper. You will be severely disappointed.
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so, you suggest it's a no go for document editing?
oldcpu said:
Skype on the go is GREAT ! For just portable reading, a Tablet is far far far superior IMHO. BUT if you wish to reply, then a Tablet fails in comparison.
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ok, only use skype with bluetooth headset in order to receive calls on the go.
oldcpu said:
Its very difficult with the Asus Transformer to stop the update to ICS.
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i guess i have to rely on the custom ICS rom from XDA dev.
oldcpu said:
Again, IMHO you will be disappointed with the Interface. Don't do this to yourself. Keep your winXP. A Tablet can not compete here.
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i intend to keep it, but not to take it everywhere with the tf101. so i only travel with one device, hopefully it's the tf101. .
oldcpu said:
The Transformer has an HDMI output, and one can purchase an Asus HDMI to VGA adapter. I have done so and it works reasonably well, with the exception that it chops of the lower part of the Android display when projecting on the 'big screen'. That is a bit annoying, but as long as one keeps the projected material of interest on the top 80% of the screen it is not a problem.
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80% should be enough. or should i adjust the screen orientation from vertical to horizontal ? is it possible with the dock attached?
oldcpu said:
It depends on your use. I drove an external projector continuous for about 8 hours and when the Transformer got down to about 20% battery I got nervous and plugged in the keyboard dock (which has a battery). And went for another couple of hours when our 10 hour work day was over. I still had battery power left.
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ok, i asume up to 8 hour with the docking should be no problem.
oldcpu said:
I like my TF101 Transformer. I have ICS installed. I suffer from the reboot problem (with reboots once/day) IF I never switch OFF my transformer. But if I switch OFF my transformer a few times/day (when walking to work, when walking home from work, prior to going to bed at night) then I don't have the reboot problems. Asus are working on the reboot issue.
Good luck in your consideration process.
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hope asus resolve the problem soon. howeverm your experience with tf give me insightful thinking, how to utilize tf wisely. thank you.
remote home pc
kitchenfork said:
I think a TF101 with the dock is great for reading and sending emails. Much quicker than booting up a winxp machine, even from hibernation etc.
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yap, reading and sending email is what my future tf should be capable.
kitchenfork said:
I would definintely not buy one with the mindset for using office on it on the go, because it is no where near the standard of using Microsoft Office and probably won't be for a while.
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ok, maybe i can still imagine using it as word editor. but slide presentation power point editor? i still have no clue. any experience creating presentation on tf (with dock and mouse)?
kitchenfork said:
In saying that I use it quite a lot for word typing etc. anywhere there is a decent wifi hotspot as I use splashtop to remotely access my pc/laptop, and thus have access to all the programs on my windows pc, however you need a decent wifi connection for this to work well but when it does work well it is just like running windows on your tablet (if using the dock).
Cheers,
Sent from my Transformer TF101G using Tapatalk
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it's a nice feature, remotely access my home pc. i'll consider it.
phoranix said:
Polaris and Quick Office pro on par (with Polaris i have some saving probs, but it has a nice and quick interface - Quick Office is good with Googledocs and Dropbox, sometimes is has probs reading the right extensions). Third place: documents to go
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i guess i will these three office first, and consider which one is the best for me.
phoranix said:
You can use office for simple creating and editing. Writing a letter is no problem. Using open/libre office on linux/windows with mouse is way faster and easier.
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i agree with you, but still i want to travel only with my tf101 and left my linux/windows at home.
phoranix said:
Silverlight doesnt work properly: some things do work, some things don't. You have to find alternatives or 'workarounds'. For my work (teacher among other things) it replaces my netbook (with linux/windows) almost completely.
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also using your tf101 for presentation? this is important because i also want to connect it with projector, which mostly in my place use the vga connector. any experience ?
phoranix said:
I love the silence, the coolness, the easy to pick up (still easier than a netbook), the battery (16+ hours with dock - so: no strings attached )
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yap. the long lasting battery alongside with the silence and coolness are several reason why i consider to go for tf101.
phoranix said:
I think in the whole: my productivity jumped 15%+ (email, reporting, calendar, todo, making notes, individual instructions). pe when i write a note (i use Jotterpad HD a lot) i can send it way quicker than on a netbook (email, contactlist is under my finger). The intensity or quantity of communication jumped around 25%.
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i hope the it can raise my productivity level. many thanks to share your experience.
thanks for your experience using tf101 without dock,
Goatshocker said:
1. they are both... graphical? lol. Well thats pretty much where the similarities start and end
2. I dont think you have to, but Id recommend it to get a different recovery, which has a lot more options than the stock.
4. Alternatives to office? Remote Desktop from the tablet to a Windows PC. yeah...
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i'll try to root my tf101. and remotely access the windows pc is not possible, since i merely work only on my netbook. .
Goatshocker said:
But in short: A tablet cant really replace a windows machine. Well, when I say that it obviously depends on your needs.
When I get my dock my TF will replace my laptop, as I only use that to browse the web and watch some movies before going to sleep.
But if you are in need of the microsoft office tools, for example, your best option is to buy a 10" netbook instead, or if youre like me and can remote control a windows PC most of the time, then the tablet is a good option again.
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. the main reason on considering the tf101 for me is to replace the netbook that i usually travel with. so you are suggesting that tf101 cannot replace my netbook for the heavy ms office work.
i wont suggest you to use android tablet for document editing.. its not that good yet.. you will be frustrated.. simple editing is ok, adding few words.. formatting not good.. document viewing is ok, though not really 100% the same as you see on microsoft office.. varies about 80-99%
other than that, it's cool..
finalhit said:
"if you wish to reply, then a tablet fails in comparison"
...did i read that right? was that about replying to emails? if so, i would like to wholeheartedly disagree.
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i guess @oldcpu try to share the experience, replying to skype message on the go, so not the whole replying to emails. which i cannot image taping the 10' tf101 virtual keyboard on the go. .
finalhit said:
Anyway, let me answer the OP in this way, i pretty much replaced my computer with the tablet for the following activities:
* media consumption (watching/downloading movies) little caveat of maximum of 720p. 1080p is hit or miss. I typically do HDMI out for this to my tv. it's excellent with dice player. i recently got a netflix account going. aside from the fact that there's nothing on netflix i really want to stream...the device works very well with the service.
* web browsing - not as quick as computer, but definitely a good experience. i tend to frequent media-heavy sites (flash videos, etc) and it manages to chug along.
* light document editing. again, touch screen is not the same as a mouse, and android, even with a mouse/touchpad, is just not designed to work with the input device. word processing, with the right app, is definitely doable. spreadsheets, and presentations...probably a bit much.
** get yourself a wireless printer (they've gotten cheap over the years) and an app called PrinterShare. very nice combo.
* games...oodles of fun
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i will try to find the office editor which optimally utilize the tf101 dock keyboard + mouse, but the wireless printer function sound very interesting!
thanks for your opinion.
linuques said:
Coming from a Win XP netbook, you can expect a lot more performance on the TF with ICS.
Even better with the lastest custom ROMs.
Can't recommend a stable one because they are all still in development fase. Maybe Revolver 4 1.3.1 or ARHD 3.10.
You'll have to take some time to adapt, as Android has touchscreen based UI.
But overall you will have a much improved experience for sure.
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thanks for the custom rom hint. but i will definitely take my time to adapt with the android UI. many thanks.
Rumbleweed said:
You might try a search. All these questions have been asked and answered several times.
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thanks for the reminder, i think i post this on the wrong forum section. It should be on the Q & A. .
i hope i can still get various user opinions and experiences, especially on:
* is it possible replace my netbook with tf101, only for the light editing office functionality.
* and experience on using vga connector with tf101 for presentation
and i hope this information to be useful for others,
thanks.
eugoreez said:
i wont suggest you to use android tablet for document editing.. its not that good yet.. you will be frustrated.. simple editing is ok, adding few words.. formatting not good.. document viewing is ok, though not really 100% the same as you see on microsoft office.. varies about 80-99%
other than that, it's cool..
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about 80% and up. that's already good enough, i assume. .
For word processing, I think Kingsoft Office is closest to Microsoft Word, and Kingsoft Office is free to download from Google Play Store.
You definitely will want to use an actual keyboard though, so you can see more of the screen as opposed to having a virtual keyboard clog up a big block of it. You don't have to buy the ASUS keyboard attachment. Any standard Bluetooth keyboard works too, like this one.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/6mm-Alumini...Signal-For-Smartphone-Tablet-PC-/320879043382
For spreadsheets and presentations, there are solutions out there, but I haven't found anything really great yet.
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Hi all,
To those that have received or tried an Atrix, could you please share your experience of Webtop? To many of us, how good or bad Webtop is will affect our decision as to whether to buy or not to buy the Atrix, so I personally think that it is important to gather as many thoughts as possible.
So, is it acutally usable/useful? Or just a useless gimmick?
Is it quick enough for normal use? Or is it frustratingly slow?
Is the user interface natural? Or is it confusing?
Is the Firefox same as the desktop counterpart? Or is it dumbed down?
Do extras like Flash or Firefox Addons work correctly? Or is everything locked down?
Is the "virtual phone" window usable and responsive? Or is it a laggy distraction?
Is there an unreasonable limit of resolution/mouse/keyboard/etc? Or is it pretty flexible?
Does it work as advertised? Or are there catches?
Etc.
Please share.
Thanks.
I have only one question.
Can it run citrix or RDP in full screen??
NonovUrbizniz said:
I have only one question.
Can it run citrix or RDP in full screen??
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Yes, you'll see Citrix Receiver here running in full screen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WzeIGZKW_Y
Max resolution for Citrix Receiver is apparently 1280 x 1024.
take a look at this very good preview http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-atrix-4g-preview/6
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk
Thanks. Sounds like it will be quite frustrating to use...
wywywywy said:
Hi all,
To those that have received or tried an Atrix, could you please share your experience of Webtop? To many of us, how good or bad Webtop is will affect our decision as to whether to buy or not to buy the Atrix, so I personally think that it is important to gather as many thoughts as possible.
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I got both docks, and an generally pleased with them so far.
So, is it acutally usable/useful? Or just a useless gimmick?
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It's been quite usable to far. I'd say it really depends on your needs for whether it is useful or not. I've really been enjoying the media player on my TV as well as the web browsing, and the lapdock is a neat way to charge your phone and have an extra screen to run video on next to your PC, or use for general web browsing and whatnot on the go. Battery seems to be quite good so far.
Is it quick enough for normal use? Or is it frustratingly slow?
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It's about like using the Asus eeepc netbook I got when netbooks first came around for most tasks, although media definitely works better on the Atrix.
Is the user interface natural? Or is it confusing?
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It's very Mac OSX-ish, so I guess it depends on your opinion of that.
Is the Firefox same as the desktop counterpart? Or is it dumbed down?
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It's the same, it actually says it is an Ubuntu build of Firefox.
Do extras like Flash or Firefox Addons work correctly? Or is everything locked down?
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Flash works great for the video / games I've tried. I just tried Adblock Plus since I hadn't tried addons yet, and it installed and is functioning correctly. Pretty limited testing there, but its good to know addons are a possibility, not that I'd want to install too many. Remember, you don't even actually have a gig of ram.
However, I currently have the Android window, 2 Firefox tabs and a second Firefox window playing flash video and 35% of the memory on the device is still free, and everything is running okay.
Is the "virtual phone" window usable and responsive? Or is it a laggy distraction?
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This seems to work just fine, haven't noticed any usability issues with it so far.
Is there an unreasonable limit of resolution/mouse/keyboard/etc? Or is it pretty flexible?
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I haven't used it with my PC monitor yet, but the lapdock is 1366x768, and the entertainment dock connects to my HDTV @ 1280x720, and they both seem to work about equally.
The bluetooth keyboard and mouse work great, as does the remote. I plugged in my Razer Naga to the lapdock, and it detected immediately and is working fine as well.
Does it work as advertised? Or are there catches?
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Most everything so far seems to work fairly close to how it was advertised. I'd say its more a matter of setting the correct expectations. The phone is slightly more powerful than a good Netbook, and the OS takes less resources than Windows or a full on Linux distro, but on the flip side it IS running both the phone OS and the webtop OS at the same time.
I think how I put it above probably sums it up the best - it runs about as well as a Netbook, but with better media playback power, the catch being it isn't a full blown OS, so outside of documents to go and things of that nature, you most definitely can't replace a full laptop, nor is the entertainment dock as powerful and flexible as a standalone media center PC.
For a device that does a little of all of it though, it does what it does quite acceptably, and I suspect software revisions will only improve things.
If you aren't flush with cash (or a foolhardy tech geek), I'd probably go with the recommendations of most sites. If you don't have a media PC, the entertainment dock is quite nice. If you don't have a laptop, analyze heavily what you will need a laptop for; web browsing, email, video/music and some light document work? The lapdock is fine, particularly if you want the ecosystem benefits of everything you do on your laptop being immediately available on your phone as well.
However, and its a big however, even the launch combo price of $300 for the lapdock makes it extremely questionable to get the lapdock over a netbook or low end laptop, barring your feelings on the ecosystem benefits mentioned. At $500, it is most certainly not worth it.
I hope any of that helps. If you'd like to know more I'll try to answer what I can, but I've also only had it all for a day myself, so I'm still experimenting.
tomit12 said:
I got both docks, and an generally pleased with them so far.
(cleaned up for bandwidth)
I hope any of that helps. If you'd like to know more I'll try to answer what I can, but I've also only had it all for a day myself, so I'm still experimenting.
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Great review tomit12.
I agree with your assessment, in general it is very much like a first rev netbook. I've been able to install all my normal FF add-ons (adblock, xmarks, url tooltip, no menu, etc) and they seem to work fine.
As far as the "OS" goes it does what it needs to, but is not very customizable. I wish for instance you could move the "taskbar" over to one side and get more vertical space but no-go. I paired a BT mouse with it, and as long as I wait until the Webtob OS has loaded before turning it on, it works great. If I turn on the mouse before WT loads, the scrolling and buttons seem to get messed up.
I'm still not sure if I'll be keeping it. If I didn't know it was all coming from a phone I'd be pretty disappointed in the performance, but knowing it's all coming from my phone, it's kind of impressive.
YMMV
Thanks for sharing your oppinions guys; I was thinking about licking it up; I know I would love it,but I just don't have a use for it now; if someone/ were to take the iPad off my hands I might though.
The concept is amazing though and I'm sure Ill end up getting one down the road.
Rooted/ROM Captivate
Rooted Atrix
Many many thanks for sharing. I cannot express how much I appreciate it.
I think I'll wait first to see if there is going to any way of customising the Linux distro. There are apps (such as Chrome) I want to put in.
I hear so much about the Transformers incredible capabilities, but I have yet to hear what it cant do? What exactly separates it from being just as good as a computer?
btw, picking up mine locally on saturday. 32 gig, no dock, 10 hours of use, $400.
It cannot fill the void of a lonely life, nor replicate the caress from a beautiful woman, or the sense of wonder when you hear your child speak for the first time.
Left my TF to make me a cup of coffee this morning whilst I took I shower, but when I came back it hadn't even made an attempt to do it.
Very poor Asus!
Regards,
Dave
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It cannot fill the void of a lonely life, nor replicate the caress from a beautiful woman, or the sense of wonder when you hear your child speak for the first time.
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Quality. . @ fox
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In all seriousnes.. For me it cant edit pictures efficiently in a manner I do on my laptop.. And I wouldnt even dream of dropping a Full HD h.246 video right out of my DSLR on it.. Its not powerful enough to play them let alone even try and manipulate those movie files.. Some day I hope to have a TF like device that will.. Anouther thing is that Video playback from the Browser could be better.. It does well but still isnt anything compaired to my i7 laptop.
Another thing is that in the Browser the keyboard has some serious lag issues that will need to be fixed later on in firmware updates.
Hmm .. I am trying to think of what else.. OH big one..
NO NETFLIX!! I know its comming but this is kinda a real bummer at the moment.
Aside from that I absolutly love mine and I think its the greatest money I have ever spent.. I dont expect it to do the things that my i7 laptop does but then again that is not what I bought it for.. I dont need a monster truck of a computer to go get the groceries ever day ( aka Fackbook, email, daily Forum surfing, blogs, etc)
All in all I love it.. I can throw my DSLR SD card in the Dock and view all my pics while charging my Droid X and/or OG Droid and using my wireless mouse plugged into the other USB port..
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It can't do the most simplest things such as open a CBR file in file manager.
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It can't do the most simplest things such as open a CBR file in file manager.
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thats nothing to do with the Asus that'd be a android/filemanager thing. If your CBR reading app correctly associates itself with .cbr files then a filemanager would open it.
change .cbr to .rar and most file managers will open the file, or get ACV to read your .cbr files.
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The transformer cannot play minecraft (yet).
It cannot edit photos with photoshop.
It cannot play back live tv from a usb tv tuner.
Otherwise I have found a way to do virtually anything that I need it to do.
It can't do anything itself without you.
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It can't do anything itself without you.
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yeah , not quiet as funny since those amusing comments were at the beginning of this thread.
It can't make folders on the desktop.
Can't make usb->serial to work No damn serial port apps yet.
For the life of me I cannot get it to do my laundry, go to work for me, train my cat, CLEAN ITS LITTER, or take out the garbage for me.
and sadly having a Transformer has done NOTHING for my sex life.
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I hear so much about the Transformers incredible capabilities, but I have yet to hear what it cant do? What exactly separates it from being just as good as a computer?
btw, picking up mine locally on saturday. 32 gig, no dock, 10 hours of use, $400.
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3rd party. No full MS Office suite, cant run my copy of Photoshop CS, etc. With a dual core 1ghz processor it will be capable of running lighter versions of some very powerful desktop apps.
Also, it doesnt make my breakfast for me, this is about the last straw and I might have to return it because people say the ipad makes breakfast.
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Yours cant connect to youporn?
Can't give me superpowers...yet...
I have spent most of the day working on mine doing my reports, what it can't properly do is replicate the productivity apps on your PC, like Word & Excel. The Android equivalents do a fair job of allowing you to see & edit most docs, but using tables & more advanced formatting in a WP doc & trying to edit / create charts is beyond the apps at the moment. I doubt MS will bring out an Android Office, so we have to make do with what's there.
Printing is an issue, I can print, but not always the documents I want to & they don't always come out right.
I watch movies & content from Flash sites & spend a lot of time on email & websites like this, all are good (agree that the current browser typing lag must be addressed urgently).
It doesn't have a decent BBC iPlayer app or Sky Mobile app - UK users need to be vocal about BBC & Sky stepping up support for Android tablets.
If you can settle for the fact that the TF is not a PC & wasn't designed to be you will be happy.
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I hear so much about the Transformers incredible capabilities, but I have yet to hear what it cant do? What exactly separates it from being just as good as a computer?
btw, picking up mine locally on saturday. 32 gig, no dock, 10 hours of use, $400.
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NO Netflix!!! With such a beautiful ips screen, Netflix needs to hurry up and optimize their app for HC without all of the security issues!!! Other than that, it does the things I need it to do (browsing, gaming, twittering, facebooking, etc.)
KB does lag and sometimes it takes to switch app between apps!!!
I use PlayOn for Netflix and Hulu. It's not perfect, but good enough in a pinch. It's also not free, but it also allows Hulu which, even if there were an official client, would require Hulu+ at $7.99/month. So, technically speaking Netflix doesn't need to be on the list.
For me, the biggest thing the TF doesn't do, as mentioned, is allow for editing complex documents. I can use it for my fiction writing and blogging (although the Wordpress interface doesn't work sell, so I still need to finish larger blog posts on a PC some of the time), but not for most of my day job work, which requires the ability to create Word docs with headers and footers, tables, embedded Excel spreadsheets, etc. Oh, and PowerPoint support is pretty sketchy across the board, although of the options I've tried so far the included Polaris Office actually does best with Photoshop. And, of course, there's no robust Photoshop and InDesign support, and so I can't do that kind of work on it.
I think the TF makes a great adjunct device to a good desktop and/or notebook. If I were to go on a trip away from my desktop for a week or so, I'd still take my HP Envy notebook with me. On the typical day or overnight trip, however, I just take the TF.
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Doesn't do Hulu (as previously mentioned) and it really doesn't like open office files. And if a file transfer that had huge numbers of small individual files fails, you'll have a fun time having to individually delete sub folders (or I did anyways). But I just got mine, so I haven't really found out what it can do, let alone what it can't (aside from all the humorous stuff already covered).
--Jak
Hello, i was hoping to get some advice with this choice i have.
I need a device to replace my old/dead 15" laptop. Bought years ago for £400, pretty weak AMD processor and integrated graphics i use it for browsing and entertainment purposes. Basically, facebook, news and watching films. It does rarely get used for work, mainly typing out a few documents and a quick spreadsheet if i am trying to work out some finances. Things i am confident polaris office can handle. I do also use the HDMI out when i want to play a film on a big TV, however usually standard def or occasionally 720p
I am in the military so i move about a lot! My current laptop last around 2 hours on a charge so i get very bored on an 18 hour flight as you might expect! I have a SGS II so i already have a nice catalogue of apps. So my question to you, owners of shiney eee pads now that the glaze of new ownership may have left some of you, do you think your device could replace a laptop for someone like me?
Can it output via HDMI port without making you tear your hair out?
How often do you have to reach for a windows device because your tablet/dock fails?
Does it power your external hard drives well enough?
If i bought one, it would be my only mobile device, is it up to functioning on its own?
Do the bugs ruin the experience?
Thank you kindly!
hurry up and get one, it will be perfect for you.
Yes to all your questions and no for the last.
You will love the battery life of the tablet + dock
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Yes, it seems to be perfect with the keyboard, especially with the looong lasting batteries
But read the forum about the office ... some people don't like it ... and check out how to print with this baby ... I haven't a clue how, because I use Windows for that.
And don't worry too much about bugs ... I would be more worried about getting a TF without too much light bleeding in the display.
9mmpistol said:
Hello, i was hoping to get some advice with this choice i have.
I need a device to replace my old/dead 15" laptop. Bought years ago for £400, pretty weak AMD processor and integrated graphics i use it for browsing and entertainment purposes. Basically, facebook, news and watching films. It does rarely get used for work, mainly typing out a few documents and a quick spreadsheet if i am trying to work out some finances. Things i am confident polaris office can handle. I do also use the HDMI out when i want to play a film on a big TV, however usually standard def or occasionally 720p
I am in the military so i move about a lot! My current laptop last around 2 hours on a charge so i get very bored on an 18 hour flight as you might expect! I have a SGS II so i already have a nice catalogue of apps. So my question to you, owners of shiney eee pads now that the glaze of new ownership may have left some of you, do you think your device could replace a laptop for someone like me?
Can it output via HDMI port without making you tear your hair out?
How often do you have to reach for a windows device because your tablet/dock fails?
Does it power your external hard drives well enough?
If i bought one, it would be my only mobile device, is it up to functioning on its own?
Do the bugs ruin the experience?
Thank you kindly!
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I bought my TF to replace a defunct laptop and would never go back to a laptop now. I originally bought an expensive laptop with alot of memory for playing games and as with most high end laptops it never got used for anything other than web, emails, documents and the occasional video. The ASUS can handle all this and much much more. Facebook is handled easily either through the FaceBook app or on the browser (I use the latest Opera Mobile which works very well), Pulse (free on the Market) handles News beautifully on a Tablet and Movies look very nice. I have never used it to watch high def movies but im sure it will play 720P fine as long as the movie is encoded correctly and the codec is supported on the Video Player. I use MoboPlayer which works alot better than the built in player and covers alot of codecs.
Trust me you wont look back and with the keyboard dock you can expect 15-20 hours battery life which would suit you very well on your long journeys. What I tend to do is use the tablet on its own until the battery gets low (around 9 hours normal use) and then plug the dock in to recharge the tablet. Once the screen is fully charged (takes round 3 hours while docked) you can then undock and continue or just use it while docked if you wish. The keyboard dock also makes a good stand if you want to put it on a desk and watch a movie.
The HDMI works perfectly with my Smasung 51inch Plasma. The first time I plugged it in it connected straight away and looks stunning. No problems at all although I think there are reports that new Panasonic TV's have problems but they may be isolated cases.
My tablet has only rebooted itself a few times and those times haven't been due the TF but to a custom kernel that had some bad settings. You have to remember that Honeycomb is still a VERY new operating system and there may be a few bugs but they will soon be ironed out as google are very good at updating Roms.
I have a 500GB external HardDrive (2.5inch with a single usb connector) and there is no problem at all with it being powered via the ASUS. You have to be docked as the USB connectors are only on the keyboard (so make sure you get one with the keyboard if you need this feature) but im sure you wont have any problems.
If you do get one (with the keyboard) then you wont miss your laptop at all if you are going to be using it for the things you mentioned. There is no laptop that can come close to the life of the TF and the screen is very clear and sharp which makes it ideal for movies and web browsing. The keyboard is very tactile and can hammer out documents very quickly and if you plug a usb mouse in you can even control it in the same way as your pc. A little tip, there is a button on the keyboard (top row, 4th in from left side) that turns the trackpad on and off which helps alot when you are docked and using your finger on the screen. My arm kept touching the trackpad making it do strange things and it took a while to figure out what was happening lol.
Hope this little review helps you make up your mind either way
Mark.
I bought this to replace my very old 15" powerbook G4, thats right, I said it....G4 hahaha. I knew that in no way was this a laptop replacement. I understood that this was more of a multimedia/entertainment device than anything else.
Purchasing this product with that in mind has was the best purchase I've made this year. However, if I bought this with the assumption that it would function the same as my laptop, I think I would have returned this a long time ago.
Surfing the web: Can't beat it. I used to get frustrated with the stock browser always crashing on me but I found Opera Mobile 11 and I've never looked back. Sometimes I do wish there was a full size browser for the tablet instead of mobile browswer but yeah, Opera gets the job done.....I know there is Maxathon or something that offers a full browser experience, but I've had issues with it so I'll stick to Opera.
Movies: At first I wanted to throw my tablet out the window but thanks to the XDA forums I found the means to convert my movies to MP4s. And with the update to 3.1, movies are near flawless. I do wish that the tablet could support all media files and play as smooth as my desktop but I only watch movies on the road. If I'm at home, I havea TV for that. It's acceptable.
Reading: eBooks are great, but PDFs are teh suck! The MyLibrary app is complete garbage. I've tried other apps but loading PDF magazines are always laggy so I just get pissed off and don't even bother.
Music: The speakers on this thing sucks.....get a nice pair of headphones.
Work: I've tried to use Polaris Office to do some spreadsheets but it was super troublesome. I guess if I got used to the way Android operated vs thinking of how Excel and Word works in Windows it might be ok. What I do is I just RDP into my Windows computer and work off the full version of Office.
Hope this helps
I also take flights occasionally and as you are aware...a laptop just doesn't fit in a modern airline seat space!! there is no lap left...but the TF is perfect!
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Can it output via HDMI port without making you tear your hair out?
I do this at least once or twice a week...plug it in watch a movie on the TV...not issues at all.
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How often do you have to reach for a windows device because your tablet/dock fails?
It never fails but I do use the laptop every day due to an app that I need on android that isn't ready for prime time...if it was...I'd never use the laptop.
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Does it power your external hard drives well enough?
Yep...I watch movies right from the external drive.
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If i bought one, it would be my only mobile device, is it up to functioning on its own?
the ONLY weakness that I still have is the Office app...it doesn't have cut/paste capability. Once that's worked out....I'll be happy.
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Do the bugs ruin the experience?
What Bugs? I never have bugs...
Thank you kindly!
You're welcome!
I have a TF,a rooted Nook Color, a laptop and a desktop. LOL, my desktop system might as well a doorstop at this point I never use it. My laptop is a decent machine but the battery life is dismal compared to the TF or the rooted Nook. I work from home a lot,love sitting outside and also really appreciate how cool running my TF and it's dock ar, no sitting in the sun while holding awarm laptop!
There are some windows programs I need to use regularly, I bought Splashtop HD and simply connect to one of my computers when I need to access these programs. Another plus with Splashtop HD is that I can use it to stream Netflix from my computer to my TF, I love watching a movie while lying comfortably in my bed and the screen on the TF is simply lovely for this purpose.
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I do wish that the tablet could support all media files and play as smooth as my desktop ...
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I'm quite happy with Mobo Player, which plays all common formats, even Xvid and WMV.
..., but PDFs are teh suck!
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Adobe Reader works fine for me.
... get a nice pair of headphones.
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I highly recommend the AKG K319, which have a fantastic sound, nearly like a big high-end home headphone, e.g. Beyerdynamic DT-880. And don't get shocked by the shown price ... just google a bit ... I only payed 25 Euros
I was astonished how good the TF sounds with this headphones though it doesn't have an equalizer built-in.
Oh btw ... the K319 have a nice hardcase and an air plane adapter in the package. If I would loose them I would buy them again. But be warned, they need to burn in for about 50 hours to develop it's full potential. So don't get disappointed, when you first plug them in.
These are by far the best mobile headphones below 200$, no joke.
needs are manipulable... once u have the device, u'll have the needs to do stuffs with it *evil grin*
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The asus transformers with serial number B4O.... Have been plagued with screen issues, from what I hear as long as you get a transformer with B6O, you should have no such issues.
Thank you all for your informative replies.
Are the newer transformers B60 then? I will be getting mine through PC world, who currently have no stock, so i assume when they get them they will straight off the production line.
9mmpistol said:
Thank you all for your informative replies.
Are the newer transformers B60 then? I will be getting mine through PC world, who currently have no stock, so i assume when they get them they will straight off the production line.
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I just got mine yesterday from best buy and it was in fact B60 with 3.1 update already installed. From what I've experienced these things sell-out pretty quick (at least thats what best buy told me) so they're always getting new shipments.
There is another thread on here regarding t different models, though I don't think there's much difference (my mistake) . Mine isn't terrible in that I only notice it in the dark (lightbleed) but if you're not on a budget, I'd consider the Galaxy Tab 10.1 as they seem to have better quality control. Do you're research though, I haven't done any digging myself.
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I'd consider the Galaxy Tab 10.1 as they seem to have better quality control.
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Maybe, but if the tab will be your only PC, I think the TF is currently the best choice ... maybe besides the Arconia Tab, which doesn't have light bleed issues.
Another choice would be waiting until fall, when the next models will be available ... the Archos 3G e.g. looks promising.
Hey guys I don't mean to highjack this thread or anything, but I am probably getting the tf in the near future and I was wondering where I should buy one and what place has a good warranty where if I got a defective one I could get it replaced easily. And a little side question, I can make/edit/print word documents from this right?
Thanks for any help
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... I was wondering where I should buy one and what place has a good warranty ...
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If you can't find a good local shop, I'd try Amazon.
I can make/edit/print word documents from this right?
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It has Polaris Office preinstalled. From what I read, it can open MS Office documents. But so far I didn't find any hints how to print with the TF or if any printer wil be compatible on the USB. I think the printing topic is worth a new thread.
I found THIS to print to network printers ... I fear, that's the only way.
PS: Also have a look at THIS.
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Hey guys I don't mean to highjack this thread or anything, but I am probably getting the tf in the near future and I was wondering where I should buy one and what place has a good warranty where if I got a defective one I could get it replaced easily. And a little side question, I can make/edit/print word documents from this right?
Thanks for any help
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Well for starters noone can give you an answer since you have given no indication as to where you live. If you want to get it from a shop then any large electrical retailer should give you good customer service if anything goes wrong. I cant comment about buying it online until I know what country you live in lol.
You can easily create and edit word documents using the included Polaris Office app. There is no default app to let you print but you can either use an app called PrinterShare (or similar from the market) or look into google cloud printing.
EDIT: Google cloud printing works extremely well. Just go *HERE* and install Google Chrome on your pc. Then enable Cloud Printing from Chrome and print a test page to make sure its set up using the email address that your Tablet is set up with. You then need to install an app which supports cloud printing such as PrinterShare or Cloud Print BETA and you are good to go. Tested this with both PrinterShare and Cloud Print BETA and both work fine.
Mark.
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Well for starters noone can give you an answer since you have given no indication as to where you live. If you want to get it from a shop then any large electrical retailer should give you good customer service if anything goes wrong. I cant comment about buying it online until I know what country you live in lol.
You can easily create and edit word documents using the included Polaris Office app. There is no default app to let you print but you can either use an app called PrinterShare (or similar from the market) or look into google cloud printing.
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Haha touché
Well I live in Pennsylvania, I have best buys, targets, blah blah... and for online, as far as I can tell amazon has the transformer for 400 which is the lowest. But idk how good there Warranty and easy there customer service is? Also I wanna make sure I get the newest model, which I understand to be the B60?
Thanks for your understanding support
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Haha touché
Well I live in Pennsylvania, I have best buys, targets, blah blah... and for online, as far as I can tell amazon has the transformer for 400 which is the lowest. But idk how good there Warranty and easy there customer service is? Also I wanna make sure I get the newest model, which I understand to be the B60?
Thanks for your understanding support
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Amazon has very good customer service from what experience I have with them and is usually quite quick with replacements if anything goes wrong. Their warrany will be exactly the same as any other online retailer. The only problem with buying online is that you wont know what model you get until it arrives at your door.
If you really really want the B60 model then your best bet is to goto a store and ask to view the product in the box to make sure of the model. Some places may not oblige but most should. Saying that, I have the B40 model of tablet and have had absolutely no problems with it so far (touch wood).
Mark.
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Amazon has very good customer service from what experience I have with them and is usually quite quick with replacements if anything goes wrong. Their warrany will be exactly the same as any other online retailer. The only problem with buying online is that you wont know what model you get until it arrives at your door.
If you really really want the B60 model then your best bet is to goto a store and ask to view the product in the box to make sure of the model. Some places may not oblige but most should. Saying that, I have the B40 model of tablet and have had absolutely no problems with it so far (touch wood).
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Alrighty thanks for your help
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I'm just curious - with tablets as popular as they are - and with nice big screens, do you think there is any chance Android will provide any sort of windowing system in the future (so you can see more than one app at a time)? I think that would be awesome on tablets...
Any thoughts??
There is always that onskreen thing that is being developed... i heard conflicting sides to why it's not available on android, but itsounds like google is trying to displace apple instead of overwhelming it by showing that tablets can be more than entertainment..
Hmm, haven't heard of Onskreen - I just looked it up and it looks awesome! Has any OEM actually used it yet?? It says that it IS for Andorid, from what I read!
Well, there are several reasons why onskreen cornerstone is having a hard time launching. But here are the main reasons.
(1) Onskreen wants to make a lot of money out of this. So, they want to go through the formal route of having google and tablet manufacturers incorporate this in the updates.
(2) Unfortunately for onskreen, google and tablet manufacturers are not convinced that people would want this feature on their tablets.
About #2, look at the success of the ipad and ipad 2. And you couldn't even multitask on the ipad. Yet, apple is selling them by the tens of millions. Google and android tablet manufacturers think people don't want multitasking on their tablets. These mega companies are trying to catch up to the ipad's success by tailing it. And that means copying how ipad works.
Last there was any info on the development of cornerstone, google and some manufacturers were making onskreen take surveys to prove that anyone at all would like this feature on their tablet. It's sad, really, that these mega companies are perfectly happy tailing apple instead of trying something new to beat it.
If my tablet had a twenty inch screen I would want Xmonad, never mind that. At 10.1 inches Android is good enough at multi-tasking. Maybe if Android overtakes Windows PC someday in the next billion years, we'll get windowing.
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If my tablet had a twenty inch screen I would want Xmonad, never mind that. At 10.1 inches Android is good enough at multi-tasking. Maybe if Android overtakes Windows PC someday in the next billion years, we'll get windowing.
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No way... imagine being able to watch a YouTube video while browsing Tapatalk. Or open GTalk while watching a movie. A tiling window manager for our TF would be really awesome. Not to mention I hook my TF up to a 24" monitor or 40+" TV for doing development work on (ConnectBot SSH'd into a VPS running vim), which would really really benefit from this.
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No way... imagine being able to watch a YouTube video while browsing Tapatalk. Or open GTalk while watching a movie. A tiling window manager for our TF would be really awesome. Not to mention I hook my TF up to a 24" monitor or 40+" TV for doing development work on (ConnectBot SSH'd into a VPS running vim), which would really really benefit from this.
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+1 - my thoughts exactly!
Unfortunately it seems running eMMC Ubuntu is the only solution to this at the moment, and without hardware accel it's definitely not the quickest solution.
That being said, I run a full dev environment (with VPN) on my Transformer and it's incredibly convenient.
Also, battery life in Ubuntu is incredible! Surprisingly so for me anyway..
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Gary13579 said:
No way... imagine being able to watch a YouTube video while browsing Tapatalk. Or open GTalk while watching a movie. A tiling window manager for our TF would be really awesome. Not to mention I hook my TF up to a 24" monitor or 40+" TV for doing development work on (ConnectBot SSH'd into a VPS running vim), which would really really benefit from this.
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I am a _very_ heavy multi tasker and overloader, as in making my laptop want to halt and catch fire kind of multitasking. At a minimal we're talking code compiling, music streaming, and 3+ IM tabs. while surfing the web. If I have a 24" or 40+" to work with, I'll want them each arranged in tiles automatically like XMonad can.
Over the years I have used the following: 15", 19", 22" wide, 10.1" wide, and 15.4" or w/e the wide format is. Resolutions from SVGA to HD. You know what I found when I was using a 10.1" netbook? Most of the time ALT+TAB was more effective with so little screen space. Whether I was reading or writing, watching or chatting, there just wasn't enough screen screen space for more than 1 and 1/3 programs on a 10.1" at 1024x600. I'd rather ALT+TAB than use smaller windows. The TF101's resolution on the 15.x" laptop wasn't so much better, that I would expect the same resolution on 10.1" to be a serious improvement. To be honest I never notied that big a serious gain until I hit 1920x1080 on a 22" wide screen!!!
At work, I run tmux locally (it's like screen) and connect to dtach'd shells on the development server; at home I skip the SSH part. Chrome and Pidgin being the primary GUI needs that matter and corrisponding to Opera Mobile and IMO+jTalk on my TF101.
So I don't really miss adding the 20" Dell on my desktop to it most times. It is a short comming that I can't hook up my TF to my 22" wide at home and have xterm and chrome side by side, the way my netbook and laptop could, and being able to use xrandr to choose if I wanted a mirror or a second screen, or even to make the big screen the only screen. But hey, I can't really complain because most of the time I would just be filling it with a huge ass xterm. For most people that use a tiling wm, probably the same. Regular users have more need of it and regular users are not going to use their TF the way I do.
It was a nice to have feature not a requirement -- because if it was, I wouldn't have been using anything less mobile than my desktop PC to start with! I just don't need that to be productive...maybe if I spent my job in photoshop instead of vim, idk.
edit: if it was to a vote, I'd rather have better access to things like Chrome's debugging tools than multiple windows. Then I wouldn't need my workstation every now and then!
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But remember - as with any windowing system, you would always have the option to run any app in full screen mode.... It would just be nice to have the option to view mutiple apps at once in certain situations... I don't see any drawbacks - just advantages!
The biggest problem I currently have is that when I go back to the home sceeen from some apps, the app actually closes, so there is no way to multitask.... If I had multiple windows on teh screen at once, I wouldn't have that issue...
Currently, I guess it's up to the app to determine if it stays open when going back to the home screen?? It just seems like I don't have the option to multitask all apps....
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But remember - as with any windowing system, you would always have the option to run any app in full screen mode.... It would just be nice to have the option to view mutiple apps at once in certain situations... I don't see any drawbacks - just advantages!
The biggest problem I currently have is that when I go back to the home sceeen from some apps, the app actually closes, so there is no way to multitask.... If I had multiple windows on teh screen at once, I wouldn't have that issue...
Currently, I guess it's up to the app to determine if it stays open when going back to the home screen?? It just seems like I don't have the option to multitask all apps....
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Get an ipad.
goodintentions said:
Get an ipad.
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Huh? I have an iPad - it's even worse than Android at Mutlitasking!
Back to the question - what determines if an Android app is multitask-able? Is it up to the author of the app?
Thanks!
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Huh? I have an iPad - it's even worse than Android at Mutlitasking!
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But... but... according to engadget the ipad is perfect at everything. Surely, the best, most powerful tablet in the world (personally created by St. Stephen and distributed by the Holy Apple Church) would be perfect at multitasking.
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But... but... according to engadget the ipad is perfect at everything. Surely, the best, most powerful tablet in the world (personally created by St. Stephen and distributed by the Holy Apple Church) would be perfect at multitasking.
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Too funny! I would like the option as well to view both programs similar to cascade in windows. The only thing close I have ever seen is the dual browser whcih is ok but obviously only for internet pages. I truly think android needs a couple more software iterations. However I also don't think eclipse would let u do half of a screen for example because they have specific dimensions and sizes built in. Much like compatibility mode, if the app could default to a smaller size then it could be possible but probably wouldn't look natural.
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jtrosky said:
But remember - as with any windowing system, you would always have the option to run any app in full screen mode.... It would just be nice to have the option to view mutiple apps at once in certain situations... I don't see any drawbacks - just advantages!
The biggest problem I currently have is that when I go back to the home sceeen from some apps, the app actually closes, so there is no way to multitask.... If I had multiple windows on teh screen at once, I wouldn't have that issue...
Currently, I guess it's up to the app to determine if it stays open when going back to the home screen?? It just seems like I don't have the option to multitask all apps....
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I can't really see the development efforts and the major headscrew for the user expirerence as being worth it until we have the Android PC where most people have a Dell or an eMachine on a desk. Maybe someday if Windows 8 flops but not today w/o a freaky fork of Android.
A great plus of Android to me, I have almost all the power my BSD and Linux based systems have, everything I need (personally) to be productive, some useful propritary apps I might not get with FreeBSD, plus it is so easy to use that my mother can use Gingerbread and Froyo. We have had computers for nearly 20 years and she has used Windows XP since 2001 ---- and still struggles with multiple windows, copying and pasting, browsing/saving files, etc. Holy crap, I think it took 7 years for her to stop asking me, "Left or right click". Google has done an awesome job IMHO.
That is just an awesome combo, plus I could probably use x forwarding/vnc magic and get a 1280x1080 GNU/Linux desktop on my big screen, and use a local VNC connection when getting up to go. Maybe even resize it after rather than scroll around. So I can technically have it if I wanted or needed it for productivity, just not with Android apps.
@the multitasking part, usually you can use the copy buffer as an accumulator when that happens. I tend to use Home or the "Multitasking" buttons / ALT+Tab depending on what I'm doing, and rarely have a problem unless I take too long to switch back or launch something memory intensive. Also another reason I switched from TexTab to Tablet Talk, hehe. Most apps that I use don't cause me troubles and those that do on occasion (TeamSpeak) wouldn't if designed properly for the life cycle of an Android application. Then there are some where the activity just dies out, like MoboPlayer lol.
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Spidey, fact is, I'd get a lot of use out of a tiling wm on Android. I know we can go without it, certainly, that's why I'm still using my TF for development! The TF offers so many advantages over a traditional notebook that the loss is worth it, but that doesn't make it useless. There are many, many uses for it, especially for IM and video. I suppose we could probably get IM working with window fragments... I'll have to look into it for my #1 l33t IM app! Also tiling things like connectbot and the browser would be great, for so many reasons. It may not be perfect on such a small screen, but it would be useful most of the time.
jtrosky said:
Huh? I have an iPad - it's even worse than Android at Mutlitasking!
Back to the question - what determines if an Android app is multitask-able? Is it up to the author of the app?
Thanks!
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He tells that to everyone that even hints at Android not being perfect.
Android sends a signal to an app when you leave it, telling it that you left. It sits there for a while, and if you don't enter it again for so long, Android sends it a destroy signal, and it's up to the author of the app to save the current state so it can be resumed next time it's opened. If it doesn't behave like this, then yea, it's because of the author of the app (or it's too complicated an app to save/restore the state... eg imagine a 3d game).
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Android sends a signal to an app when you leave it, telling it that you left. It sits there for a while, and if you don't enter it again for so long, Android sends it a destroy signal, and it's up to the author of the app to save the current state so it can be resumed next time it's opened. If it doesn't behave like this, then yea, it's because of the author of the app (or it's too complicated an app to save/restore the state... eg imagine a 3d game).
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Thanks for the info! What I've been noticing thuough is that when I try to multitask certain apps, they wont even show in my recents list at all (like tthere is NO chance for multitasking...). From what your saying, it sounds like all apps shoudl be able to multitask to some point, but that's not what I'm seeing... I'm wondering if it's just an issue with the custom ROM/kernel I'm using...
Thanks again! Obviously, not a huge deal, but kinda annoying sometimes.
Regardless, I would NEVER even think of switching back to Apple devices (gave the iPad to the wife) - Android really is so much more powerful!
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Thanks for the info! What I've been noticing thuough is that when I try to multitask certain apps, they wont even show in my recents list at all (like tthere is NO chance for multitasking...). From what your saying, it sounds like all apps shoudl be able to multitask to some point, but that's not what I'm seeing... I'm wondering if it's just an issue with the custom ROM/kernel I'm using...
Thanks again! Obviously, not a huge deal, but kinda annoying sometimes.
Regardless, I would NEVER even think of switching back to Apple devices (gave the iPad to the wife) - Android really is so much more powerful!
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The only time I've seen this happen is because of launching one app from another. eg if you click a web link within an app and it opens the browser, it won't show both the originating app *and* the browser for some reason, it only shows one (I forget which).
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The only time I've seen this happen is because of launching one app from another. eg if you click a web link within an app and it opens the browser, it won't show both the originating app *and* the browser for some reason, it only shows one (I forget which).
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Ok, thanks for the info. I can't even remember which apps were giving me issues off-hand - I'll have to start paying attention to this again to see if my system is working properly or not.
Thanks again.
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Spidey, fact is, I'd get a lot of use out of a tiling wm on Android. I know we can go without it, certainly, that's why I'm still using my TF for development! The TF offers so many advantages over a traditional notebook that the loss is worth it, but that doesn't make it useless. There are many, many uses for it, especially for IM and video. I suppose we could probably get IM working with window fragments... I'll have to look into it for my #1 l33t IM app! Also tiling things like connectbot and the browser would be great, for so many reasons. It may not be perfect on such a small screen, but it would be useful most of the time.
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I never said it was useless but short of the Android PC on almost everyones desk, I don't see that happening; because I can understand why Google hasn't really done that. And I think we will just get refineme ts on what we already have for multi-tasking by Android 6.x.
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What I've been noticing thuough is that when I try to multitask certain apps, they wont even show in my recents list at all (like tthere is NO chance for multitasking...).
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This is most probmatic when one activity lauches another, for example openning a PDF in Polaris via Opera. I hope the mukti0tasking button gets better in ICS, since I need the dock to use the okd one.
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hi all,
recently my laptop started going up the creak so have been looking for a replacement.
anyway i saw this on offer at argos for 399.99 with dock, and was thinking of getting one, would you say its a suitable laptop replacement or should i get a standard laptop again?
i love android and am not a noob with it which is why i was looking at this haha will still try putting windows 8 on it though since i enjoy using photoshop and after effects but would be nice to have an android tablet to take on the train when im going on long jeorneys to see my dad
anyway thanks
btw if i get one i will be making a userbar for it so if anyone would like it then let me know (see sig for more info)
Had it for two months now and it's Fab
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whitest0rm said:
hi all,
recently my laptop started going up the creak so have been looking for a replacement.
anyway i saw this on offer at argos for 399.99 with dock, and was thinking of getting one, would you say its a suitable laptop replacement or should i get a standard laptop again?
i love android and am not a noob with it which is why i was looking at this haha will still try putting windows 8 on it though since i enjoy using photoshop and after effects but would be nice to have an android tablet to take on the train when im going on long jeorneys to see my dad
anyway thanks
btw if i get one i will be making a userbar for it so if anyone would like it then let me know (see sig for more info)
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Its a great tablet but it really depends what you are using it for.
As a true laptop replacement, something you plan to use for work that requires third party programmes, it is just not realistic. I have found it has replaced my laptop in most situations that I would use my computer for entertainment (web browsing, youtube, videos etc), but for real work like data analysis, report writing, multiple monitors and true multitasking, my laptop gets the job done in half the time.
As for windows 8, definately dont buy this in the hope that you will be able to put windows 8 on it. I think the chances of that happening are close to zero. Ubuntu maybe, and remote desktop, yes, but native windows 8... i dont think that will ever happen.
All in all I would summarise by saying:
Tablet Pros:
Lightweight
Portable
No heat/moving parts
Insanely good battery life vs laptop
Detachable screen
Touch Screen
More enjoyable as an entertainment and media consumption device
Many games are more accessible, especially with touch screen controls.
Likely to be cheaper than a laptop
Laptop Pros:
Larger screen (for work)
Full OS means you will be much more productive
Most if not all of the advantages of a laptop come from the operating system so i wont expand on this.
It all comes down to one thing - what you want to be using it for.
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Its a great tablet but it really depends what you are using it for.
As a true laptop replacement, something you plan to use for work that requires third party programmes, it is just not realistic. I have found it has replaced my laptop in most situations that I would use my computer for entertainment (web browsing, youtube, videos etc), but for real work like data analysis, report writing, multiple monitors and true multitasking, my laptop gets the job done in half the time.
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I fully agree on this, I still use my laptop when I have to create more than just an email. For work the TF300T is only a benefit when it comes to reading a lot of documents. It saves time, for printing documents is not needed. Annotations however are a bit harder to make (as they involve typing on the tablet keyboard), but doable.
ok then brilliant thanks, see i do use it alot for graphic design but only when im out of the house sincei have a dedicated computer for that, other than that it will be for messing around on, playing games, youtube and web browsing so think i will have to get it btw wat do you think on the price?
£399.99 for the tab and dock/keyboard
whitest0rm said:
btw wat do you think on the price?
£399.99 for the tab and dock/keyboard
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Pretty good I think ^^
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i love my gfx and i love my tf300 but the 2 dont mix well lol, photoshop for android is a joke its nothing like the real version, but saying that do you know of any good gfx apps for android???
i dont know any at the moment since my only android is htc wildfire s lol not the best for much of anything haha, will try dual booting windows 8 if possible, then i can run windows for photoshop and android for everything else, will have a look for good gfx android apps though