Original note keyboard - Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General

I really miss the original 4 row keyboard that my note came with. Any ways on getting this back on my note without downgrading?
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Not easily. Why not just use one of the many keyboards out there? Some of them are pretty close to the stock keyboard. Sorry, I don't remember which

It's called AxT9IME.apk and I am hoping some will post it here so we can get it back.

try go keyboard ,, its better than stock one

ChodTheWacko said:
Not easily. Why not just use one of the many keyboards out there? Some of them are pretty close to the stock keyboard. Sorry, I don't remember which
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why not?
it's easy just go where you type, tap & hold that field
choose input method, ''Samsung keypad'' and you're good to go
actually you can choose the input method in setting too

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Screen Keyboard....

Will I get used to the keyboard on the screen??? I purchased an X yesterday, but wont receive it until 7/27... so they say.
So I went to the Verizon store to try it out... I had heard that the keyboard screen was easy to use... hmmm..
Not sure if its just me... but not one word did I type without errors... couldn't hit the keys right.
I hope some of you that are using the X now... will confirm that I should get used to it...
Please share...
THANKS!
I came from an iphone and now use swype! Switch to it under settings and you will never go back. Its truly a great innovation! Just b a bit patient and u will learn to love it!
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I switched from front- facing keyboard, and I it took some getting used to. Mainly I kept over-reaching the keys. It got better pretty quickly. Ultimately hard keys will always be better, but modern virtual keyboards, like on the DX's, make the trade-off for more screen space worth while.
You may also want to consider the voice-to-text input available on Android. I tend to just use the keyboards, but it's good to have the option.
download and install the high res HTC_IME keyboard, it will be just like the eris keyboard, and can change from the qwerty to the regular one. Requires no hacking Works perfect for me! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=624416

Swype - I used to love you

Hi! Is it just me or has swype become almost unuseable since a few ROMs back when it went from popping a box up to horizontal suggestions above the keyboard.
I'm not talking about the aesthetics, it seems as though the dictionary selection, accuracy and changing of half typed and corrected words is just terrible.
Prior to the update I used to breeze through, now I'm lucky to swype in a few words without an epic correction struggle against its will to correct and change.
Swype, once a selling point and a joy to use now just plain sucks for me, and the thought of using it turns me off productive tasks.
Just me? Bad settings? I look forward to peoples input. I can't exactly remember when the change occurred, it was when it went horizontal instead of pop up.
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no problem here, actually I feel Swype 3 to be better than 2, fast, accurate and reliable.
Feel the same, maybe I swipe too fast, had to correct three times inn the first eight words
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I don't intend to hijack, but I couldn't have an android phone without Swiftkey X on it... only complaint is that I have to use the gmail app for my email instead of the Samsung email one because it is very buggy on the Samsung one....
Same here. Old swype was more accurate.
I did two things:
1) Remove swype that comes with the rom, install the beta from swype.com (its newer)
2) Disable autocorrect
I absolutely love the new one. Much better than before and just as accurate.
The new Swype rocks! Especially with the horizontal word choice window. I can't even consider going back to 2.7. No problems with accuracy whatsoever with the new version on my phone.
It's not just me! Latest Cognition 1.50 just released and Swype has been reverted to 2.x, Designgears said the following:
"I think the new versions suck too, it is no even usable anymore, I can type my message 3x faster with the stock samsung keyboard."
/dance!!!
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I don't intend to hijack, but I couldn't have an android phone without Swiftkey X on it... only complaint is that I have to use the gmail app for my email instead of the Samsung email one because it is very buggy on the Samsung one....
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Quit the bull - if you didn't mean to hijack, why are you doing it? Is this an accidental hijack? Jerk.
On topic - never been a huge Swype fan, but been playing with it a bit this weekend - and I concur with those that say the new version is hopeless.
Still a noob with it, but my accuracy was much, much better on the old version.
Not sure I'll stay with Swype anyway - old dog, new tricks....
Make sure you check your Swype accuracy settings. I put mine closer towards the error tolerance end now. Still works fine.
B3311 said:
Quit the bull - if you didn't mean to hijack, why are you doing it? Is this an accidental hijack? Jerk.
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Haha i rofld
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I don't like it that much, have to swipe twice/thrice for a simple word like 'or'. I used T9 Trace on my S8500 before and it never had any problem, even if I swiped on some wrong letters it ultimately gave me the right word.
I am on 2.72 version, at default setting.
Regards.
Yep same here. Spent more time struggling with auto-correction than actually swyping.
I use TouchPal's keyboard now. Surprisingly accurate even when you mash the wrong buttons, high degree of customisability (you can even use the classic numpad keyboard), and they will also be implementing the swyping functionality in the next major release (hopefully more usable than the current version of Swype).
I've found, disabling auto correction helps a million.
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I removed Swype and bought Big Buttons .
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asgard said:
Hi! Is it just me or has swype become almost unuseable since a few ROMs back when it went from popping a box up to horizontal suggestions above the keyboard.
I'm not talking about the aesthetics, it seems as though the dictionary selection, accuracy and changing of half typed and corrected words is just terrible.
Prior to the update I used to breeze through, now I'm lucky to swype in a few words without an epic correction struggle against its will to correct and change.
Swype, once a selling point and a joy to use now just plain sucks for me, and the thought of using it turns me off productive tasks.
Just me? Bad settings? I look forward to peoples input. I can't exactly remember when the change occurred, it was when it went horizontal instead of pop up.
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I absolutely agree with every word you said. Please if someone can tell me a way of downgrading to an older version, i will be ever grateful. Its terrible now!!
from my perspective.. swype 3 is better than swype 2 .. well the horizontal word suggestions eats up a line, but in exchange it's easier to scroll down (or right ) for the words.. it's true that it's not perfect when selecting words.. but overall.. it's still the best keyboard...
a67543210 said:
I've found, disabling auto correction helps a million.
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How do you disable Auto Correction? Can't find it in settings!
Swype 3 beta says you can't install it on a phone that was shipped with swype pre installed. Anyway to get the new 3 beta of swype on official firmware?
Is there any way to downgrade though?

Anybody tried the Swiftkey 3 tablet version on the Galaxy Note?

Hi, I need some advice from experienced users. Could anybody please let me know the advantages of using the tablet, rather than the phone, version of Swiftkey 3 on the Galaxy Note? Which version do you recommend to use on the Galaxy Note? I purchased the phone version but immediately after installation, a message showed up saying that "Wrong SwiftKey! SwiftKey 3 (phone) is not optimized for tablets. Please consider purchasing SwiftKey 3 Tablet." I asked for the automatic refund immediately.
I read that the tablet version has a split keyboard. Given that the Galaxy Note's screen is smaller than most tablets, I wonder how easy it is to type on it. Do the keys appear to be smaller if I use the tablet version rather than the phone version? Is the split keyboard's height adjustable? Thanks.
It kinda depends on your prefered dpi.
Id suggest 160 to 200 use tablet version, anything higher use phone version.
Play around with settings, keyboard height etc.
Enough free alternatives though
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If you get tablet version, you can configure it to look like the phone version. So I'd go for the tab one.
Try the free version first
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baz77 said:
It kinda depends on your prefered dpi.
Id suggest 160 to 200 use tablet version, anything higher use phone version.
Play around with settings, keyboard height etc.
Enough free alternatives though
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Sorry, what do you mean by "160 to 200 use"?
hajime_android said:
Sorry, what do you mean by "160 to 200 use"?
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If you use any dpi between 160 and 200
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baz77 said:
Play around with settings, keyboard height etc.
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I found the option of "Portrait key height" and "Landscape key height" under Advanced. Changing the key height also changes the overall size of each key. Is there any other way to change the height of the keyboard especially in landscape mode? I tried both the phone and the tablet versions. I found the split keyboard with Normal landscape key height the most comfortable to type on. (I made lots of mistakes using the small option.) However, I can only see three lines of the text I am composing. In my opinion, the height of the space bar and the suggested words could be smaller. I recall seeing a message that the size of the keyboard could be changed by swiping... It disappeared so quickly that I could not see the rest of the sentence.
By the way, the app adds a space behind each suggested word. For example, I wanted to type "becomes". "become" appeared on the suggested list. When I chose it, "become"+space was typed automatically. I had to hit the back key to add the "s". Similar, I have to hit the back key to add a full stop when the suggested word is the last word in a sentence.
I have 2 doubts about Swiftkey, it's not learning "xD" every time I tell it to learn it, by tapping on it at the top bar, the next time I type "xd" it leaves it as that! My second doubt about swiftkey is that if you type and then switch to the numbers page, and hit space, it doesn't return back to the alphabet page; Right? ARG! Some minor annoyances ...
Any suggestions?
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By the way, the app adds a space behind each suggested word. For example, I wanted to type "becomes". "become" appeared on the suggested list. When I chose it, "become"+space was typed automatically. I had to hit the back key to add the "s". Similar, I have to hit the back key to add a full stop when the suggested word is the last word in a sentence.
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Well, Swiftkey for me offers me both "become" and "becomes"!
FYI, you don't need to go back to end a sentence. If you hit full stop, it will remove any space it had entered automatically.
Regards,
Dave
Tried it last night. Tablet version works just fine, but I can't really compare because I didn't bother to try the phone version. Went back to Swype because I've long been an avid user of swipe keyboards and I can't take that out anymore. )
I like the phone version better as it has an option for arrow buttons (left, right, up, down)
Im not sure if version 3 has it, but i know in x, tablet didnt
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There is no arrow support for tablet version as of now. Very weird.
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There is arrow keys at the bottom when u enabled it under Theme>Arrow Keys
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There is no arrow support for tablet version as of now. Very weird.
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I also cannot find the numerical keypad in the middle of the split keyboard.
I saw photos of it on the developer's website. Very strange.
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There is arrow keys at the bottom when u enabled it under Theme>Arrow Keys
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I think it is only available in the phone version. Don't know why it is not available in the tablet version.
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I also cannot find the numerical keypad in the middle of the split keyboard.
I saw photos of it on the developer's website. Very strange.
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Its an option you have to apply but only available in tablet version.
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Its an option you have to apply but only available in tablet version.
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I cannot find it in the tablet version. Could you please let me know where the option is?
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I cannot find it in the tablet version. Could you please let me know where the option is?
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I'm sorry, you're correct. They've disabled it for any tablet under 10inch which seems retarded. It was enabled on the final beta.
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No problem. Hope they will put it back. They should also include a key to allow switching between keyboard mode and handwriting mode.
By the way, what is the difference between English (US) and English (UK) ? The currency sign?
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By the way, what is the difference between English (US) and English (UK) ? The currency sign?
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I believe it is color versus colour and program vs programme that sort of variation.
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Like you I immediately refunded the phone version purchase and bought the tablet version. I'm enjoying the split keyboard. Overall SwiftKey tablet version works great.

Really need some help setting this thing up

Help everyone. After a brief affair with the iPhone 5 this dinner, I have returned to Android via the Samsung Galaxy S 4.
Only problem is the bezels. They are too thin!! I literally can't type on this thing. Its not the size of the screen, I used to run a note, it's the bezels. Mainly the bottom one.
At the moment I run the GPE ROM. This is all fine and dandy, I'm loving the Nexus 4 like experience. But I miss the on screen buttons. They brought the bottom bezel size up significantly, making the typing experience amazing. I need that on this phone. But I also don't want the capacitive buttons. Luckily they dissapear when not lit up. And I found a flashable script to disable their functionality. I just need to find a ROM as stable as the GPE ROM and with on screen buttons and IR support like the GPE ROM.
Does anyone have any ideas? Other than the typing issue I like the phone. It's not nearly as comfortable as the 4.7" screen of the Nexus but its usable and really my only choice to get back to my Android home.
Thanks!
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WOW, talk about picky! Maybe I'm just a noob, but what do you mean by on screen buttons?
agent929 said:
WOW, talk about picky! Maybe I'm just a noob, but what do you mean by on screen buttons?
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He means soft buttons. Like on the nexus devices.
OP, there's a couple aosp roms in the original Android development section that include soft buttons.
xBeerdroiDx said:
He means soft buttons. Like on the nexus devices.
OP, there's a couple aosp roms in the original Android development section that include soft buttons.
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Got ya...guess I'm not totally familiar with some of the jargon
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Orange_furball said:
Help everyone. After a brief affair with the iPhone 5 this dinner, I have returned to Android via the Samsung Galaxy S 4.
Only problem is the bezels. They are too thin!! I literally can't type on this thing. Its not the size of the screen, I used to run a note, it's the bezels. Mainly the bottom one.
At the moment I run the GPE ROM. This is all fine and dandy, I'm loving the Nexus 4 like experience. But I miss the on screen buttons. They brought the bottom bezel size up significantly, making the typing experience amazing. I need that on this phone. But I also don't want the capacitive buttons. Luckily they dissapear when not lit up. And I found a flashable script to disable their functionality. I just need to find a ROM as stable as the GPE ROM and with on screen buttons and IR support like the GPE ROM.
Does anyone have any ideas? Other than the typing issue I like the phone. It's not nearly as comfortable as the 4.7" screen of the Nexus but its usable and really my only choice to get back to my Android home.
Thanks!
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xBeerdroiDx said:
He means soft buttons. Like on the nexus devices.
OP, there's a couple aosp roms in the original Android development section that include soft buttons.
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My girlfriend had the exact same problem and he's right - there are some great ROMs on there that will have exactly what you're looking for. There are some that coincide with the haptic buttons and some that are stand alone and do not use them at all.
Some can be found at:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2257#romList
You can also find more by searching for specific ones.
Orange_furball said:
Help everyone. After a brief affair with the iPhone 5 this dinner, I have returned to Android via the Samsung Galaxy S 4.
Only problem is the bezels. They are too thin!! I literally can't type on this thing. Its not the size of the screen, I used to run a note, it's the bezels. Mainly the bottom one.
At the moment I run the GPE ROM. This is all fine and dandy, I'm loving the Nexus 4 like experience. But I miss the on screen buttons. They brought the bottom bezel size up significantly, making the typing experience amazing. I need that on this phone. But I also don't want the capacitive buttons. Luckily they dissapear when not lit up. And I found a flashable script to disable their functionality. I just need to find a ROM as stable as the GPE ROM and with on screen buttons and IR support like the GPE ROM.
Does anyone have any ideas? Other than the typing issue I like the phone. It's not nearly as comfortable as the 4.7" screen of the Nexus but its usable and really my only choice to get back to my Android home.
Thanks!
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You should give Task's AOKP a try. He works really hard to make sure it is as stable as possible, and you can activate the on-screen buttons.
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You should give Task's AOKP a try. He works really hard to make sure it is as stable as possible, and you can activate the on-screen buttons.
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Do you know if that ROM supports the IR blaster? Its not extremely necessary just a nice thing to have
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Do you know if that ROM supports the IR blaster? Its not extremely necessary just a nice thing to have
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Yes it does. the latest 4.2.2 build works superbly. Grab the gapps from the 14th (in his thread). Cheers.
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Do you know if that ROM supports the IR blaster? Its not extremely necessary just a nice thing to have
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As a second confirmation - yes it does
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One last question, is vibration alerts like really weird on this phone? Not just the ROM, I mean the phone in general. The vibrator is extremely loud, doesn't buzz very well, and with notifications it'll either go off in three very strange bursts or two very short bursts.
This is nothing like my iPhone, nexus 4, galaxy bite 10.1, or really any device I've ever used.
You might think I'm being really picky, but I just want to make sure this is normal
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One last question, is vibration alerts like really weird on this phone? Not just the ROM, I mean the phone in general. The vibrator is extremely loud, doesn't buzz very well, and with notifications it'll either go off in three very strange bursts or two very short bursts.
This is nothing like my iPhone, nexus 4, galaxy bite 10.1, or really any device I've ever used.
You might think I'm being really picky, but I just want to make sure this is normal
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Mine isn't very loud. I think you can adjust what it does for vibrations in settings but if it's new I would exchange it just in case.
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Mine isn't very loud. I think you can adjust what it does for vibrations in settings but if it's new I would exchange it just in case.
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Unfortunately its not new :/ I'll just have to pick up a replacement one and toss it in
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Unfortunately its not new :/ I'll just have to pick up a replacement one and toss it in
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Do you mean a replacement phone, or a replacement vibrator?? Remember, if you get a replacement phone, you won't be able to flash any custom roms.
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Do you mean a replacement phone, or a replacement vibrator?? Remember, if you get a replacement phone, you won't be able to flash any custom roms.
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Replacement vibrator. I'm out of warranty already I think
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So, this ROM is amazing!!! Well I just have one small issue, the nav bar covers up the bottom portion if NY screen, so typing in the message fields in the Messages app doesn't work, and I can't see the footer in most web pages in Chrome.
Other than that, wow! Smoothest ROM I've ever used! With Dynamic Notifications from the play store the ROM is literally perfect, once I figure out the NavBar issue and how to disable the capacitive buttons (the flashable script I found didnt work :/)
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Orange_furball said:
So, this ROM is amazing!!! Well I just have one small issue, the nav bar covers up the bottom portion if NY screen, so typing in the message fields in the Messages app doesn't work, and I can't see the footer in most web pages in Chrome.
Other than that, wow! Smoothest ROM I've ever used! With Dynamic Notifications from the play store the ROM is literally perfect, once I figure out the NavBar issue and how to disable the capacitive buttons (the flashable script I found didnt work :/)
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A couple of things:
1. Keep in mind, using Dynamic Notifications on an Android 4.2 rom will result in battery drain while the notification is active. An Android 4.3 rom would be better for that, since it has the new "NotificationListenerService" feature.
2. For disabling the capacitive buttons, it might be worthwhile to move to a rom that has full hardware key rebinding. I'm a big fan of SlimBean. There is a settings screen that lets you choose exactly what each of the buttons does, and you can just set it all of them to "none", and then disable button backlighting in Display settings.
SlimBean has it's own look and feel, because the DPI is very low and the Slim logo is inserted a few places. All of this can be changed, though, if you prefer a more stock experience.
Feel free to PM me if you have any questions; I'll be happy to help.

[Q] Better stylus keyboard?

Hi, could someone please recommend me a better keyboard to use with my note 4's stylus (handwriting) cause the stock keyboard has a pretty bad handwriting recognition (wrote the letter "s" 10 times in a row and got these letters: "r, p, q, s" and funny enough the letter I got the least of was "s")?
Swype, just Swype the words with the stylus. It's quicker than writing out your letters. If that's not the case, you need more practice cause Swype is easily the fastest keyboard.
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Swype, just Swype the words with the stylus. It's quicker than writing out your letters. If that's not the case, you need more practice cause Swype is easily the fastest keyboard.
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Thanks but I want a handwriting keyboard, already have aosp keyboard for swiping, any suggestion for a handwriting keyboard?
Ranomez said:
Thanks but I want a handwriting keyboard, already have aosp keyboard for swiping, any suggestion for a handwriting keyboard?
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I suggest you search for LG G3 keyboard, available I think from N2 thread... I have the zip file somewhere
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I suggest you search for LG G3 keyboard, available I think from N2 thread... I have the zip file somewhere
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Perhaps something I could use without rooting, lol, don't want to void my warranty just yet, don't even have the phone for 1 week?
Try stylus beta on the plays tore. Sounds like what you want.
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Try stylus beta on the plays tore. Sounds like what you want.
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Thank you, will do that, hope it has better handwriting recognition than Samsung's keyboard, if not I'll probably root my phone after I receive my S-View cover and SD-card (want to first be sure the phone's hardware works 100%) and try the LG keyboard as suggested.
l normally use Swype but if you hover over a text entry a little blue Circle appears with a T in it which brings up a different text input. I find this much easier to use. I just wish that a backward line was delete like it was my on Palm graffiti!
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Ranomez said:
Thank you, will do that, hope it has better handwriting recognition than Samsung's keyboard, if not I'll probably root my phone after I receive my S-View cover and SD-card (want to first be sure the phone's hardware works 100%) and try the LG keyboard as suggested.
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You can also try Touchpal X which im using right now. Alot better than Samsung's.
Just cross it out with stylus and it deletes it. It's much better than palm. U can delete a letter, a word, or a sentence.
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You can also try Touchpal X which im using right now. Alot better than Samsung's.
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This doesn't have handwriting recognition, does it?
You could try out graffiti for Android if you ever used a Palm Pilot
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pedmond said:
This doesn't have handwriting recognition, does it?
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It has recognition for handwriting, i use it all the time juz coz for Chinese handwriting input.
angelky said:
It has recognition for handwriting, i use it all the time juz coz for Chinese handwriting input.
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Thanks, didn't know that.
Thank you everyone, yes, I will try Touchpal X also (and I expect it to be good from my past experience with Touchpal Keyboard in the old Android 2.3 days, when I had a HTC Touch Pro 2).
angelky said:
It has recognition for handwriting, i use it all the time juz coz for Chinese handwriting input.
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I also found this one - mazec 3 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.metamoji.mazecen&hl=en
Has anyone tried this one?
greatg said:
I also found this one - mazec 3 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.metamoji.mazecen&hl=en
Has anyone tried this one?
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Not bad, but seems quite expensive.....

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