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Hey all,
I am not a dev, I just dabble. Anyone try extracting any of the apks from the 3.1 sdk or Xoom? I am not sure if the USB connectivity is modular like that, but that could be useful until Acer gets off its a**.
I know dc13 bricked after trying to flash the Xoom rom, but is what I ask even feasible?
This is not a bump, but I think this is a valid topic. Anyone get any real good looks at the apks included with 3.1 on the xoom or in the sdk? I don't own one anymore so I can't check it and I currently do not have access to my computers to try the sdk.
How easy is it to root a Xoom? is it as easy as it was for us? if that is the case, I could probably go to a best buy, root it, and then do a system dump to my dropbox...logoff and leave >_>
I don't know if it is that easy to root, but I really appreciate the reply and willingness.
No one I know owns a tablet apart from iPad or ipad2. I am actually the first of my friends to have an Android tablet and around school, all I see are apple products. The good thing is that the best buy is like 5 minutes from my university, so it's no hassle going in. Plus the staff there is nice, so they won't mind =P
Theres a real easy one click root available for the xoom. I've got mine rooted and overclocked to 1.6 ghz along with having the sdcard slot working and usb hosting enabled.
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dhruvmp said:
Hey all,
I am not a dev, I just dabble. Anyone try extracting any of the apks from the 3.1 sdk or Xoom? I am not sure if the USB connectivity is modular like that, but that could be useful until Acer gets off its a**.
I know dc13 bricked after trying to flash the Xoom rom, but is what I ask even feasible?
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Endgadget report today that Acer will release Android 3.1 next month
So my advice is stop tinkering with OS and wait for the update.
Just started a thread with the developers over at http://www.bodhilinux.com/forums/ to try and get this awesome little distro of linux running on our tablets. What is Bodhi linux? Its a beautiful, fully functional, low resource hogging version of Ubuntu, basically. It uses the e17 desktop window manager (http://www.enlightenment.org/) which is better suited to tablet use than Gnome or KDE. It will run on machines with virtually no resources (http://www.bodhilinux.com/system.php) and run well. Last but not least, have a look at the software that it can run (http://www.bodhilinux.com/software/doku.php).
One of the developers on the forum thinks that they might try and push an Arm based version of Bodhi up their list of todo's if they could get the support for it So if anyones interested, and even if your not, please visit the links and don't be afraid to join the forums to show support for this. This could be amazing if it bears fruit.
Thanks for reading
The guys over at Bodhi need a test machine so if anyone can offer some info as how to attain one it'd be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again.
It looks like really nice dream. It is just awsome. I am waiting to authorization email from bodhilinux forum so I can post on it too. I am waiting for my Archos 101 to arrive. I wanted to start some work to get some linux distro with e17 on it. But Bodhilinux developed for it... I have no words. Just awsome.
Wouldn't it be brilliant! Not getting my hopes up yet but I can't help but get a little excited. Bodhi guys seem really supportive too, if they got this working it could really take off for them, every android tab owner would want it from galaxy tab to the nook and we might be the first.
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Wow!! @ zindy. This man means buisness. Please anyone who reads this go over to the bodhi forum thread and check out what zindy offered. Dude , you're awesome.
Hmm, I never thought of using the E17 GUI for a tablet. I think where it shines is that the widgets are resizable! This means you can get them just right for your tablet's screen.
On the downside, it is amazing how many places on your tablet that you are reminded that a touch screen is NOT a mouse when you try to use a desktop environment that was designed to use a mouse. For a preview of what I am talking about simply use either an RDP or VNC client on your tablet to remote into one of your traditional computer's screen. Yes, this is solvable, but it means even MORE work.
All that said, if that guy gets it running on his Nokia N900, then getting it to work on our Archos shouldn't be all that much harder.
I think it would be easier to just do the Debian install on our tablets as found elsewhere on this forum and then E17 would just be an "apt-get" away. Next all you would do is import the wonderful customizations and artwork from Bodhi (not hard) and you are done!
I understand what your saying but the dev over at Bodhi seems really supportive so i,'d expect long term support for Arm based tablets in general. There maybe a tweaked GUI in the future ,who knows? But either way it'd be a really fun little distro to have on our device. I agree that Debian would probably be easier for us but that's a well established distro. Bodhi on the other hand is still in its infancy and they would really benefit from our support , as much as we could benefit from theirs.
Thanks for reading.
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Hmm, I never thought of using the E17 GUI for a tablet. I think where it shines is that the widgets are resizable! This means you can get them just right for your tablet's screen.
On the downside, it is amazing how many places on your tablet that you are reminded that a touch screen is NOT a mouse when you try to use a desktop environment that was designed to use a mouse. For a preview of what I am talking about simply use either an RDP or VNC client on your tablet to remote into one of your traditional computer's screen. Yes, this is solvable, but it means even MORE work.
All that said, if that guy gets it running on his Nokia N900, then getting it to work on our Archos shouldn't be all that much harder.
I think it would be easier to just do the Debian install on our tablets as found elsewhere on this forum and then E17 would just be an "apt-get" away. Next all you would do is import the wonderful customizations and artwork from Bodhi (not hard) and you are done!
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I was thinking about installing Debian with E17 too. But then we got in touch with Bodhi developers. Try installing of E17 on any general distribution and then try installing last Bodhi version. I was using Bodhi in version 1.0 for some time, but some bugs in E17 environment forced me to get back to xfce. But now I tried to install 1.1 and I started thinking about installing it again as main OS to my work notebook. Main difference is Bodhi has many customizations and improvements made to E17 and updates are made from SVN sources. In Debian you get few months old version. In Bodhi you are more up to date. E17 is developing really fast. Those bugs are gone and it is only a few months. This is main reason why I am interested in Bodhi on Archos much more than trying to install it on top of Debian. I will send some money to donate dev tablet for Jeff on thursday so we will see what happens in near future. Still waiting for my Archos 101 to arrive. Another reason for me to make donation instead of trying to get it working on my own is that Jeff and his team will make all the hard work for all of us. I was playing with Debian on Eken M001 and it ate a lot of my time. I appreciate Jeff's interest in this so I can spent my time another way.
I have installed the Debian from this page:
w w w DOT debian-archos DOT c o m
After that an upgrade to KDE with apt-get was easy (I even tried
the netbook version).
I have testet wifi, video hardware acceleration and several applications like
OO.
The only thing I have to complain are the virtual keyboards. Something like
the maemo virtual keyboard would be nice. Currently I use an external usb-
keyboard. Its like a netbook .
- I read Bodhi-Linux has its own repository. Can I still use debian packages? For example if I like to install software which is not existing in the repository.
- Which virtual keyboard is used by Bodhi-Linux? Can it compete with the Maemo version (Screenshots?).
Bodhi has its own repositories, but only for customized contents. The rest is downloaded directly from Ubuntu repositories. I think Bodhi for Archos may be build on Debian, because it has arm packages ready to use. You will be able to install .deb packages surely.
Virtual keyboard looks really usable in Bodhi (E17). May be it is customizable, but I didn't try to change its skin. It has three different layouts (letters, numbers and symbols, customized notebook keyboard layout including cursor keys, home, end, etc.) and it is possible to use different languages. I don't have any screenshots, but you can try it yourself. Download Bodhi iso and run it in virtual machine. After boot choose tablet/netbook profile and you can make an image of how it would look like after successful port to Archos. The best thing is that it is optimized for finger scrolling and touch operation as well. I like its environment.
As of when i post this we currently have half of the target donated, a total of 108 dollars while we need 200. Jeff over at bodhi will stump up the last 100 dollars to make full price for the archos and then start testing on it. So anyone interested please help out, even a little would help http://www.bodhilinux.com/forums/index.php?/topic/1509-archos-tablet-fund-request-for-donations/ . Thanks.
If say we got bodhi on our archos, can u then install like say a latex editor (say kyle) and edit latex in proper syntax ? (as in the program helps and not just typing a plain text)
Planning on basing Bodhi for ARM on Debian. So once I get it up and rolling you will be able to install any of the 10,000+ packages in the debian repo on your ArchOS
~Jeff
I have good news. We are done. $200 donated for tablet right now.
Good luck Jeff
@ Zindy Good job. Thank you for donating so much and
@ Jeff thank you for taking on this project, I seriously cant wait.
My ArchOS device is ordered thanks to all the donations - for those that want to keep up with the progress follow the thread here
~Jeff
For those wondering I've gotten my hands on a little ArchOS70 and have started work on this.
Pic related - http://i.imgur.com/GF3vT.jpg
~Jeff
Seriously, how beautiful is that? Wow.
Wonderful, absolutely wonderful.
I can't wait till first releases
Dympy.
Found out about this today, had debian running on my archos but it just didn't feel right. This looks to be amazing and if it's anything like the reviews i have been reading it will replace android on my archos (Despite any beta bugs).
Ready and willing to test and help in any way possible, good going Jeff!
Hey guys, another quick update. This is a post from the bodhi forum,
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The general UI is working. The touch screen, wifi, and CPU manager all work. Been currently working on getting support for E's built in battery module working with the tablet hardware.
Once I get the battery rolling I'll post an image with instructions for installing the "alpha" quality image on your own ArchOS.
Then I need to start building some touch-friendly packages to upload to the repository
~Jeff
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So things are looking good for Bodhi on gen 8 devices.
Alpha release... come and get it !!!
http://downloads.bodhilinux.com/jeff91/rootfses/bodhi4gig.img.tar.gz
Pretty slick. Dont forget to thank Jeff for his work.
Hey guys,
as some of you may know, it shall be possible to run Ubuntu on the EeePad Transformer (for those who don't know, look here for instruction). Even though, it doesn't boot natively (yet), it should be a full Ubuntu.
Does anyone of you made some (performance)tests with that? Here are some things, I would really like to know:
- How is performance/ usability in general?
- How "usable" are programs like OpenOffice, internet browsing or maybe IDEs like Eclipse?
- Is the keyboard dock fully supported?
- Is it possible to use an USB-Mouse in Ubuntu?
- Is it possible to "switch" between Android / Ubuntu?
- Is it possible to use Ubuntu 11.04 - with all of the touchscreen features?
If some of you would make some tests (maybe with a video), it would be realy awesome!
I think I'm not the only one who is really interested in these things.
Since I'm going "back" to college, I need a device (cause I can't afford 2 ), that can handle all of those basic things you need in college.
Thanks a lot guys!
Apparently I was wrong before. It should be possible to boot in ubuntu. See here and here for instruction. In genereal it deals with ubuntu on tegra 2 platform.
But before dual-boot is possible, I'd rather choose the VM.
Doesn't anyone tried ubuntu on the Transformer?
Are you sure you linked the right article?
You're right, I forgot to post the second article. I edited my post, those instructions are more general for tegra 2 devices. Don't know why I mixed these things up.
Well, I couldn't resist Just ordered one. I'll keep you guys updated on the ubuntu thing, gonna make some tests when I got mine.
The El said:
Well, I couldn't resist Just ordered one. I'll keep you guys updated on the ubuntu thing, gonna make some tests when I got mine.
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Thanks...anyone know if running Ubuntu will mean we can play mkv's??
adam18488 said:
Thanks...anyone know if running Ubuntu will mean we can play mkv's??
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It could be done but Tegra2 is not in to movies
The El said:
Well, I couldn't resist Just ordered one. I'll keep you guys updated on the ubuntu thing, gonna make some tests when I got mine.
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Well? How is it going with ubuntu? I'm searching some benchmarks or at least users feelings about ubuntu performance on transformer.
BTW which one do you have? Tf201 maybe? I'm going to buy one. I would wait for tf700t but do not know if I can wait that long...
Why do you do chroot when here is native Ubuntu > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1191141 ?
I've bought a new phone however I do not want to waste my Nexus One. The idea came to my mind firstly was to make it a small 'server' running at home.
Technically I bet it's possible however I don't have a clear path to do that... I've googled for a while and I saw a lot tutorials about how to run Ubuntu on top of Android. However what I want is to get rid of Android and run Linux directly on the hardware.
I think that should have been done by some guys... any help thanks in advance!
zhangxiao83 said:
I've bought a new phone however I do not want to waste my Nexus One. The idea came to my mind firstly was to make it a small 'server' running at home.
Technically I bet it's possible however I don't have a clear path to do that... I've googled for a while and I saw a lot tutorials about how to run Ubuntu on top of Android. However what I want is to get rid of Android and run Linux directly on the hardware.
I think that should have been done by some guys... any help thanks in advance!
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IIRC, Android is Linux.
If you mean the computer OS, I have no idea.
Theshawty said:
IIRC, Android is Linux.
If you mean the computer OS, I have no idea.
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Yes I understand that - However I meant Linux such as Ubuntu or Arch distribution...
zhangxiao83 said:
Yes I understand that - However I meant Linux such as Ubuntu or Arch distribution...
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Running Ubuntu has been deemed possible.
Yes, but why and who will make a port (isn't this simple)? And not all drivers are open source and available to public.
BTW, android is linux and you can even port some applications (a time ago sometime is talking about porting glibc to android, don't remember if this get done, but I think is useless somehow).
It will happen
Word on the street is that Android drivers are being merged back into the development branch of the Linux 3.3 kernel. It's not too surprising considering Android developers were working with the Linux kernel developers until the 2.6.33 Linux kernel.
I bet we will see Debian or Ubuntu running on our N1s eventually. The N1 has a great developer backing since it was pitched as a developer phone, so I bet one of the many talented developers out there will eventually cook up a native Linux ROM. Besides, there are native ports for other devices out there so they can't be too far off.
You can currently install Ubuntu on your N1 but honestly it's pointless. Yes There are great apps to use but compatibility isn't 100% on the phone AND the apps run too slow to actually be useful.
You'd have better chances developing an app for android to do what you want lol.
If this helped hit THANKS
http://nexusonehacks.net/nexus-one-hacks/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-your-android/ Check this link for a how-to.
I have searched everywhere, can only find information on Nexus 7.
Is this going to happen, possible? Timeframe?
This would make this tablet even more awesome. Assuming duel-booting will be happening.
I don't think dual booting will be happening (ever). Ubuntu via VNC is probably rather easy to do, I expect something like this quite soon.
Would love to see the Ubuntu version that runs on the Android Kernel concurrently with Android, but that's probably a long time away, if it ever happens at all (this only works via a custom tailored ROM).
Valynor said:
I don't think dual booting will be happening (ever). Ubuntu via VNC is probably rather easy to do, I expect something like this quite soon.
Would love to see the Ubuntu version that runs on the Android Kernel concurrently with Android, but that's probably a long time away, if it ever happens at all (this only works via a custom tailored ROM).
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In the meantime, there is the trusty http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585009
If you do try this, please report back regarding usability (graphics and otherwise) -- e.g. is it good enough as a laptop replacement for a short trip? (libreoffice, emacs, light coding, hdmi out to external monitor/TV, ...)
I'm thinking of getting a N10 to do just that; your report would be most helpful. THANKS!
If a native method was done on the Nexus 7, I don't think it would be too much trouble to port over to the Nexus 10 (although I could be very wrong about this). I do hope someone at Ubuntu does at least give it a shot though; I feel Ubuntu might even work out a bit better on the Nexus 10
Valynor said:
I don't think dual booting will be happening (ever). Ubuntu via VNC is probably rather easy to do, I expect something like this quite soon.
Would love to see the Ubuntu version that runs on the Android Kernel concurrently with Android, but that's probably a long time away, if it ever happens at all (this only works via a custom tailored ROM).
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Why do you say never? Isn't it available for the Nexus 7? That is what I read.
bmancell said:
Why do you say never? Isn't it available for the Nexus 7? That is what I read.
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The very early beta (alpha?) of Ubuntu that's available for the Nexus 7 is a ROM that boots Ubuntu - nothing else. There's no Android on the N7 anymore after you install it.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation
I think it will happen especially since the nexus 10 and samsung chromebook both share the same processor and the chromebook already has ubuntu on it.
Asadullah said:
I think it will happen especially since the nexus 10 and samsung chromebook both share the same processor and the chromebook already has ubuntu on it.
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Any news?
I love the Nexus 10, epecially the screen. Would be really nice to have ubuntu (or other distributions) running on it!
Cheers! :good:
IRKONIK said:
Any news?
I love the Nexus 10, epecially the screen. Would be really nice to have ubuntu (or other distributions) running on it!
Cheers! :good:
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What would you even do with unbuntu on a tablet?
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What would you even do with unbuntu on a tablet?
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Well, let me explain: Android is like a crippled Linux. So if you have Ubuntu, you have way more options in using the tablet, especially with Wine.
Also, why do we need a reason to mod? Everything is worth some modding! Starts with Android, over IKEA and Ubuntu, too Xubuntu (Sorry, my brain didn't knew anything with a "Z" :silly