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Bodhi Linux for Gen 8?

Just started a thread with the developers over at http://www.bodhilinux.com/forums/ to try and get this awesome little distro of linux running on our tablets. What is Bodhi linux? Its a beautiful, fully functional, low resource hogging version of Ubuntu, basically. It uses the e17 desktop window manager (http://www.enlightenment.org/) which is better suited to tablet use than Gnome or KDE. It will run on machines with virtually no resources (http://www.bodhilinux.com/system.php) and run well. Last but not least, have a look at the software that it can run (http://www.bodhilinux.com/software/doku.php).
One of the developers on the forum thinks that they might try and push an Arm based version of Bodhi up their list of todo's if they could get the support for it So if anyones interested, and even if your not, please visit the links and don't be afraid to join the forums to show support for this. This could be amazing if it bears fruit.
Thanks for reading
The guys over at Bodhi need a test machine so if anyone can offer some info as how to attain one it'd be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again.

It looks like really nice dream. It is just awsome. I am waiting to authorization email from bodhilinux forum so I can post on it too. I am waiting for my Archos 101 to arrive. I wanted to start some work to get some linux distro with e17 on it. But Bodhilinux developed for it... I have no words. Just awsome.

Wouldn't it be brilliant! Not getting my hopes up yet but I can't help but get a little excited. Bodhi guys seem really supportive too, if they got this working it could really take off for them, every android tab owner would want it from galaxy tab to the nook and we might be the first.
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Wow!! @ zindy. This man means buisness. Please anyone who reads this go over to the bodhi forum thread and check out what zindy offered. Dude , you're awesome.

Hmm, I never thought of using the E17 GUI for a tablet. I think where it shines is that the widgets are resizable! This means you can get them just right for your tablet's screen.
On the downside, it is amazing how many places on your tablet that you are reminded that a touch screen is NOT a mouse when you try to use a desktop environment that was designed to use a mouse. For a preview of what I am talking about simply use either an RDP or VNC client on your tablet to remote into one of your traditional computer's screen. Yes, this is solvable, but it means even MORE work.
All that said, if that guy gets it running on his Nokia N900, then getting it to work on our Archos shouldn't be all that much harder.
I think it would be easier to just do the Debian install on our tablets as found elsewhere on this forum and then E17 would just be an "apt-get" away. Next all you would do is import the wonderful customizations and artwork from Bodhi (not hard) and you are done!

I understand what your saying but the dev over at Bodhi seems really supportive so i,'d expect long term support for Arm based tablets in general. There maybe a tweaked GUI in the future ,who knows? But either way it'd be a really fun little distro to have on our device. I agree that Debian would probably be easier for us but that's a well established distro. Bodhi on the other hand is still in its infancy and they would really benefit from our support , as much as we could benefit from theirs.
Thanks for reading.

wartstew said:
Hmm, I never thought of using the E17 GUI for a tablet. I think where it shines is that the widgets are resizable! This means you can get them just right for your tablet's screen.
On the downside, it is amazing how many places on your tablet that you are reminded that a touch screen is NOT a mouse when you try to use a desktop environment that was designed to use a mouse. For a preview of what I am talking about simply use either an RDP or VNC client on your tablet to remote into one of your traditional computer's screen. Yes, this is solvable, but it means even MORE work.
All that said, if that guy gets it running on his Nokia N900, then getting it to work on our Archos shouldn't be all that much harder.
I think it would be easier to just do the Debian install on our tablets as found elsewhere on this forum and then E17 would just be an "apt-get" away. Next all you would do is import the wonderful customizations and artwork from Bodhi (not hard) and you are done!
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I was thinking about installing Debian with E17 too. But then we got in touch with Bodhi developers. Try installing of E17 on any general distribution and then try installing last Bodhi version. I was using Bodhi in version 1.0 for some time, but some bugs in E17 environment forced me to get back to xfce. But now I tried to install 1.1 and I started thinking about installing it again as main OS to my work notebook. Main difference is Bodhi has many customizations and improvements made to E17 and updates are made from SVN sources. In Debian you get few months old version. In Bodhi you are more up to date. E17 is developing really fast. Those bugs are gone and it is only a few months. This is main reason why I am interested in Bodhi on Archos much more than trying to install it on top of Debian. I will send some money to donate dev tablet for Jeff on thursday so we will see what happens in near future. Still waiting for my Archos 101 to arrive. Another reason for me to make donation instead of trying to get it working on my own is that Jeff and his team will make all the hard work for all of us. I was playing with Debian on Eken M001 and it ate a lot of my time. I appreciate Jeff's interest in this so I can spent my time another way.

I have installed the Debian from this page:
w w w DOT debian-archos DOT c o m
After that an upgrade to KDE with apt-get was easy (I even tried
the netbook version).
I have testet wifi, video hardware acceleration and several applications like
OO.
The only thing I have to complain are the virtual keyboards. Something like
the maemo virtual keyboard would be nice. Currently I use an external usb-
keyboard. Its like a netbook .
- I read Bodhi-Linux has its own repository. Can I still use debian packages? For example if I like to install software which is not existing in the repository.
- Which virtual keyboard is used by Bodhi-Linux? Can it compete with the Maemo version (Screenshots?).

Bodhi has its own repositories, but only for customized contents. The rest is downloaded directly from Ubuntu repositories. I think Bodhi for Archos may be build on Debian, because it has arm packages ready to use. You will be able to install .deb packages surely.
Virtual keyboard looks really usable in Bodhi (E17). May be it is customizable, but I didn't try to change its skin. It has three different layouts (letters, numbers and symbols, customized notebook keyboard layout including cursor keys, home, end, etc.) and it is possible to use different languages. I don't have any screenshots, but you can try it yourself. Download Bodhi iso and run it in virtual machine. After boot choose tablet/netbook profile and you can make an image of how it would look like after successful port to Archos. The best thing is that it is optimized for finger scrolling and touch operation as well. I like its environment.

As of when i post this we currently have half of the target donated, a total of 108 dollars while we need 200. Jeff over at bodhi will stump up the last 100 dollars to make full price for the archos and then start testing on it. So anyone interested please help out, even a little would help http://www.bodhilinux.com/forums/index.php?/topic/1509-archos-tablet-fund-request-for-donations/ . Thanks.

If say we got bodhi on our archos, can u then install like say a latex editor (say kyle) and edit latex in proper syntax ? (as in the program helps and not just typing a plain text)

Planning on basing Bodhi for ARM on Debian. So once I get it up and rolling you will be able to install any of the 10,000+ packages in the debian repo on your ArchOS
~Jeff

I have good news. We are done. $200 donated for tablet right now.
Good luck Jeff

@ Zindy Good job. Thank you for donating so much and
@ Jeff thank you for taking on this project, I seriously cant wait.

My ArchOS device is ordered thanks to all the donations - for those that want to keep up with the progress follow the thread here
~Jeff

For those wondering I've gotten my hands on a little ArchOS70 and have started work on this.
Pic related - http://i.imgur.com/GF3vT.jpg
~Jeff

Seriously, how beautiful is that? Wow.

Wonderful, absolutely wonderful.
I can't wait till first releases
Dympy.

Found out about this today, had debian running on my archos but it just didn't feel right. This looks to be amazing and if it's anything like the reviews i have been reading it will replace android on my archos (Despite any beta bugs).
Ready and willing to test and help in any way possible, good going Jeff!

Hey guys, another quick update. This is a post from the bodhi forum,
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The general UI is working. The touch screen, wifi, and CPU manager all work. Been currently working on getting support for E's built in battery module working with the tablet hardware.
Once I get the battery rolling I'll post an image with instructions for installing the "alpha" quality image on your own ArchOS.
Then I need to start building some touch-friendly packages to upload to the repository
~Jeff
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So things are looking good for Bodhi on gen 8 devices.

Alpha release... come and get it !!!
http://downloads.bodhilinux.com/jeff91/rootfses/bodhi4gig.img.tar.gz
Pretty slick. Dont forget to thank Jeff for his work.

Debian or Ubuntu chroot?

Greetings Transformers!
Now that I've rooted and have bash installed I am yearning for more, but I want to keep the Transformer usable in it's day to day role as an Android tablet so a Linux chroot would be very handy for mostly server tools: php, apache, maybe some light VNC desktop.
I've noticed a couple of threads about native Linux on the Transformer, but I'm more interested in a chroot simliar to the one on the Xoom. Has anyone tried any of the several Debian or Ubuntu chroot's on the Transformer and how did it work out?
Here is the link / process I'm considering following: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1028464
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droidbird said:
Greetings Transformers!
Now that I've rooted and have bash installed I am yearning for more, but I want to keep the Transformer usable in it's day to day role as an Android tablet so a Linux chroot would be very handy for mostly server tools: php, apache, maybe some light VNC desktop.
I've noticed a couple of threads about native Linux on the Transformer, but I'm more interested in a chroot simliar to the one on the Xoom. Has anyone tried any of the several Debian or Ubuntu chroot's on the Transformer and how did it work out?
Here is the link / process I'm considering following: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1028464
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this sould be easy , just change the sripts to te corrects mounts and pahts , i dint look into this as i only care about native . also i dont know how current modded kernels are build but kernel with loop devices support is a must!!

I was considering only native too... I would like to use my transformer for Ruby On Rails development, so I need linux ( now I take with me everyday my transformer and my netbook, it would be cool if I would be able to take only my transformer)...
But I was thinking recently that maybe even the chroot method can do for rails development, I will have the shell, the browser, and maybe I can install something like cloud9 ide so I can edit my code directly in the browser....
debian or ubuntu? both would be fine, but maybe I would prefear ubuntu because I am more acustomed to it
regards
Gnagnone

Your goals are similar to mine, I want a lightweight dev environment along with the tools to do meaningful command line work.
I was hoping someone had already been down this road, but it doesn't seem all that daunting of a task to change a few paths in the scripts...if I can find the time.

Running Debian w/o chroot
You should contact the OP of this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1138661

e.mote said:
You should contact the OP of this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1138661
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Actually for the transformer the situation is a bit different, as reported here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1116471 they are still working on making it boot linux natively
@droidbird, are you developing in rails too? maybe we should start a new thread to find all rails developers that would be interested in developing on their android tablet?

e.mote said:
You should contact the OP of this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1138661
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From my point of view the native Linux is a step backwards. I still want all the convenience of my Android tablet, but with additional capabilities which is what leads me to the chroot.

droidbird said:
From my point of view the native Linux is a step backwards. I still want all the convenience of my Android tablet, but with additional capabilities which is what leads me to the chroot.
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Did you identify any alternative as code editor?
here is a list of some: http://www.smashingapps.com/2010/12...itors-to-code-directly-from-your-browser.html
there is even this one which looks very promising: https://mozillalabs.com/blog/2009/02/introducing-bespin/
maybe this one is the best: https://github.com/ajaxorg/cloud9

gnagnone said:
Did you identify any alternative as code editor?
here is a list of some: http://www.smashingapps.com/2010/12...itors-to-code-directly-from-your-browser.html
there is even this one which looks very promising: https://mozillalabs.com/blog/2009/02/introducing-bespin/
maybe this one is the best: https://github.com/ajaxorg/cloud9
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You mean there are other ways to edit code than vi or vim?

droidbird said:
You mean there are other ways to edit code than vi or vim?
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sorry, I don't understand if you want to say that for you vim is enough or you're really surprised of the alternatives I proposed.
If really vim is enough for you then chroot and a ssh client would be enough... I was just thinking about providing a set of tools easy to use for everyone

Ubuntu-on-a-stick
There are many solutions for the VNC route. Here is one in apk form, from a cursory search:
http://liliputing.com/2011/06/ubunt...y-to-run-android-and-ubuntu-side-by-side.html
The Streak 7 is also a Teg2 device.

Windows 8 on XOOM?

Hi
Am I being wholly unrealistic on this or could we hope to see Windows 8 run on these sluggish XOOMs ?
It seems like the hardware is not massively different?
Possibility or impossibility?
sent from my mz604
you live and learn ... at any rate you live

Would be nice, no idea what the requirements are for Win8 tho..

I can't believe no one else seems to be thinking about it ... couldn't find anything on the web suggesting they were though.
I just hope someone comes up with something to make me excited to own a xoom again. I was excited when I bought expecting to be on a wave of development but there has been only one small set of bug fixes/features that should have been on release version.
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s.t.s said:
I can't believe no one else seems to be thinking about it ... couldn't find anything on the web suggesting they were though.
I just hope someone comes up with something to make me excited to own a xoom again. I was excited when I bought expecting to be on a wave of development but there has been only one small set of bug fixes/features that should have been on release version.
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Tiamat is pretty darn fast.... then ADW ex makes it even faster.

Id be happy with a chroot of win8
Sent from my ADR6400L using xda premium

With the dev preview only being x86/64 at the moment we will have to wait for the ARM version to be released before anything can be done on the Xoom. I cant wait to see if there are any devs that can get it going.....a dual boot with ICS would be fantastic

I am sure it is faster when rooted and overclocked ... just haven't got round to doing it yet ... kind of resent having to do it to get a user experience that might be close to acceptable
I know that there is no arm preview yet but I believe the min spec is detailed ... are there any things we fall short of?
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guys, I'd hate to burst your bubbles, but there were around 4 posts about win 8 on the xoom and all of them came to the conclusion that it wouldn't work, or at least, very unlikely. Windows is closed source. Its not like Ubuntu or any other Linux distro that we can modify.
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s.t.s said:
I can't believe no one else seems to be thinking about it ... couldn't find anything on the web suggesting they were though.
I just hope someone comes up with something to make me excited to own a xoom again. I was excited when I bought expecting to be on a wave of development but there has been only one small set of bug fixes/features that should have been on release version.
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There was a bunch of windows 8 topics on xoom but not looking good. And development will get better overall on xoom when ics comes out because you have to remember, honeycomb source wasn't released and never will be. Ics will be open source though.

Android may soon do more than windows can. By the time WIN8 comes out in arm form android will be on key lime pie.

What really is needed is a full Linux version for the Xoom. Linux is already available for ARM CPUs. But what is needed is the kernel patch for the Xoom, and the hardware drivers.
Stop pining for windows, as there are already plenty of gadgets with it on it. I just purchased a Azpen X1 tablet. The 16GB drive is so small, that I ran out of space the first time that I ran the windows update!! I got a 32GB drive for it, and will install Ubuntu on it. I use Linux for everything, and found that windows is very over rated.

Not sure how Windows is "over rated" ... it seems everyone is out to say mac/ios/linux is better than it. If linux is so great why are you giving it double the storage space the windows install was offered ;-)
I know windows is closed source ... but the hardware appears to be very similar to other tablets that run windows, it would just be a case of suitable drivers?
ICS may improve things but it still doesn't feel like the direction android is headed in is where I hoped/expected in terms of offering tablet optimized/specific applications.
Windows 8 looks a lot more like the tablet os I would like to use ... I guess time will tell.
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s.t.s said:
If linux is so great why are you giving it double the storage space the windows install was offered ;-)
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At first I intended to give 16GB to each OS. But since widows barely fits on 16 GB, I decided against it.
s.t.s said:
I know windows is closed source ... but the hardware appears to be very similar to other tablets that run windows, it would just be a case of suitable drivers?
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What other tablets like the Xoom run windows? Windows only runs on the Intel family of CPUs (and clones), while most tablets have an ARM CPU.

samsung has a dev tablet out that runs windows 8. they gave it out at some convention.

patass said:
samsung has a dev tablet out that runs windows 8. they gave it out at some convention.
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Yes and nobody is going to sit down and spend the time and write drivers for a closed source OS. Especially from scratch. Not to sound like a jerk, but if you're bored of your xoom, sell it and get a windows slate

kenfly said:
Yes and nobody is going to sit down and spend the time and write drivers for a closed source OS. Especially from scratch. Not to sound like a jerk, but if you're bored of your xoom, sell it and get a windows slate
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lol i never said i was tired of it, but windows 8 from what I played with it on the desktop is a more practical platform. Often times I'm using splashtop to access my desktop at home. You're mad.
also people write custom drivers for windows all the time. custom graphics card drivers, controller drivers, etc.

patass said:
lol i never said i was tired of it, but windows 8 from what I played with it on the desktop is a more practical platform. Often times I'm using splashtop to access my desktop at home. You're mad.
also people write custom drivers for windows all the time. custom graphics card drivers, controller drivers, etc.
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Look at it this way, most other hc tablets have a port of Ubuntu, which is open source, and we don't. If nobody wants Ubuntu enough to work with the open source os, who is going to work with closed source windows 8?

That is another thing that I just dont get ... it really feels like my best informed choice to get the XOOM was the wrong one. Moto are not pushing the development and user experience like I had hoped and the dev community hasn't been set alight either :-(
Still I hope we see some stuff soon. For now I will just have to try one of the few android roms
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[Q] Ubuntu & Nexus 10

I have searched everywhere, can only find information on Nexus 7.
Is this going to happen, possible? Timeframe?
This would make this tablet even more awesome. Assuming duel-booting will be happening.

I don't think dual booting will be happening (ever). Ubuntu via VNC is probably rather easy to do, I expect something like this quite soon.
Would love to see the Ubuntu version that runs on the Android Kernel concurrently with Android, but that's probably a long time away, if it ever happens at all (this only works via a custom tailored ROM).

Valynor said:
I don't think dual booting will be happening (ever). Ubuntu via VNC is probably rather easy to do, I expect something like this quite soon.
Would love to see the Ubuntu version that runs on the Android Kernel concurrently with Android, but that's probably a long time away, if it ever happens at all (this only works via a custom tailored ROM).
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In the meantime, there is the trusty http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585009
If you do try this, please report back regarding usability (graphics and otherwise) -- e.g. is it good enough as a laptop replacement for a short trip? (libreoffice, emacs, light coding, hdmi out to external monitor/TV, ...)
I'm thinking of getting a N10 to do just that; your report would be most helpful. THANKS!

If a native method was done on the Nexus 7, I don't think it would be too much trouble to port over to the Nexus 10 (although I could be very wrong about this). I do hope someone at Ubuntu does at least give it a shot though; I feel Ubuntu might even work out a bit better on the Nexus 10

Valynor said:
I don't think dual booting will be happening (ever). Ubuntu via VNC is probably rather easy to do, I expect something like this quite soon.
Would love to see the Ubuntu version that runs on the Android Kernel concurrently with Android, but that's probably a long time away, if it ever happens at all (this only works via a custom tailored ROM).
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Why do you say never? Isn't it available for the Nexus 7? That is what I read.

bmancell said:
Why do you say never? Isn't it available for the Nexus 7? That is what I read.
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The very early beta (alpha?) of Ubuntu that's available for the Nexus 7 is a ROM that boots Ubuntu - nothing else. There's no Android on the N7 anymore after you install it.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation

I think it will happen especially since the nexus 10 and samsung chromebook both share the same processor and the chromebook already has ubuntu on it.

Asadullah said:
I think it will happen especially since the nexus 10 and samsung chromebook both share the same processor and the chromebook already has ubuntu on it.
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Any news?
I love the Nexus 10, epecially the screen. Would be really nice to have ubuntu (or other distributions) running on it!
Cheers! :good:

IRKONIK said:
Any news?
I love the Nexus 10, epecially the screen. Would be really nice to have ubuntu (or other distributions) running on it!
Cheers! :good:
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What would you even do with unbuntu on a tablet?

Nickslife89 said:
What would you even do with unbuntu on a tablet?
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Well, let me explain: Android is like a crippled Linux. So if you have Ubuntu, you have way more options in using the tablet, especially with Wine.
Also, why do we need a reason to mod? Everything is worth some modding! Starts with Android, over IKEA and Ubuntu, too Xubuntu (Sorry, my brain didn't knew anything with a "Z" :silly

Official Ubuntu for the N7?

I just watched a video on Ubuntu where the head of Canonical showed a Gnex running official Ubuntu (which I think they'll discuss at CES), but you think the N7 will get it?

The nexus 7 is the device which has ubuntu even as first...
Getting ubuntu to run on a nexus 7 is already done by canonical and you can run it yourself too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7

Are you joking? There is already a official and a dualboot option for the nexus 7!
Dualboot option (sorry im on tf101 ubuntu and english layout, cant find doubepoint xD)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2011403[/url
Sorry, you bet me in speed...

These guys are silly....they obviously don't pay attention to up-and-coming mobile OS's.
Yes, I think it'll come out for the Nexus 7. I'm going to try it but the only way I'd keep it as a daily driver is a noticeable increase in battery life.

Wafflcopterz said:
These guys are silly....they obviously don't pay attention to up-and-coming mobile OS's.
Yes, I think it'll come out for the Nexus 7. I'm going to try it but the only way I'd keep it as a daily driver is a noticeable increase in battery life.
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If Ubuntu already exists for the N7, what was the countdown for? Unless I'm mistaken, the Ubuntu the two other guys were talking about was some pc port?

Theshawty said:
If Ubuntu already exists for the N7, what was the countdown for? Unless I'm mistaken, the Ubuntu the two other guys were talking about was some pc port?
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the phone stuff, I watched the online keynote, looks great, I'll def be trying it once the images get posted for the gnex

Theshawty said:
If Ubuntu already exists for the N7, what was the countdown for? Unless I'm mistaken, the Ubuntu the two other guys were talking about was some pc port?
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countdown was for "ubuntu phone" .
But there is already full blown ubuntu for your nexus.
If you want only UI of ubuntu for phones, then you have to wait.
If you are intrested in Linux/Ubuntu OS itself, then it is already here. Just without phone friendly User Interface.
It is basically PC port. But more it is the same Ubuntu that runs on PC-s.
read more here
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7