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Hy everyone,
First of all, thanks for this great forum which never fails to impress me.
I have a question which some of you might help answering: I'm wondering if it's possible to use the mini-usb port of my smartphone to get some data input.
Let me explain myself a bit more: I know that smartphones (HTC Touch for me) aren't USB hosts. However, the data connexions are still present.
Here's what I'd like to do: even though the smartphone can't control another peripheral, I'd like that external peripheral to send data to the smartphone, and the smartphone to use that data to control the screen. That would give an alternative way of controlling the screen.
The input would come from another touch surface, so my guess is that using the data to control the screen shouldn't be much of a problem.
So? Any idea if it's possible? What kind of platform/language would be nice to do that? C#?
(I have JAVA development experience, but I'm quite a newbie as far as Win Mobile devs are concerned. I'm willing to learn though
I think I searched this forum (and others) quite extensively before posting. If by any chance I missed a related post, I'd be glad to know about it
No ideas? Anyone?
Last up before I stop...
prob. not
i dont think that is technically possible. i think one has to be the host, and that host provides power. so to power the input device(im thinking keyboard) it would need the smartphone/ppc to be a host....
but i have no clue in this area...maybe someone could prove me wrong?
Hey, thanks for your answer.
The powering issues could be overcomed by cutting the cables and giving power from an external power source (I think several people have tried doing it, I need to find the links again). By the way, the peripheral itself is plugged on 110V, so there's plenty of available power
I'm not seeking here to "control" the device, just to aquire the signal it's sending... Does that seem feasible, or does the peripheral need to be somehow "activated" by a Host before sending anything?
Well, in order to get data, the host must ask the slave each time it needs some. Other things must be done by the host, like usb enumeration. That means there has to be a host or it won't work, unless you use usb on-the-go, but I do not know many devices that support it.
according to the qualcomm website, the msm chipsets support otg
hi
i dont know if this has been covered (the search didnt find anything relevant)
is there a hack / way for video or tv out on this device??
thanks
zohaer21 said:
hi
i dont know if this has been covered (the search didnt find anything relevant)
is there a hack / way for video or tv out on this device??
thanks
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I am also interested by that.
Any ideas?
Basically, I would like to know if TV out is possible to connect it to my car entertainment device that I am planning to buy :
Din 1, 7 inch with DVD, GPS, Bluetoth, USB.
This will transform this device to a mobile device with a large screen from where I can surf, chat, play games etc...(launch all apps from the HTC HD2)
Any ideas?
It's not possible. Sorry, but it really is that simple.
Thanks for the answer.
Is this because of the harware that does not support it or is it because there is no driver developped by HTC?
i really think thats a driver problem only Maybe there is a way to stream video signal over wifi or bluetooth? it's kinda strange thing to do but i think it's possible using a software?
I read in a forum that via the 3,5mm jack it might be possible to video out (it was for another phone).
If Hardware does not support it via micro USB, we are stuck I guess,
If it is a driver issue, xda gurus might develep one,
If micro USB does not support it, what about the 3,5 mm jack?
I am not an expert at all, but I am just brainstorming...
Any thoughts?
This is the message I got rom HTC Support
Thank you for your enquiry about HTC HD2
To answer question 1 and 2, the HD2 does not support video out as it does not have a built in video out socket nor would you be able to achieve this via the 3,5mm jack.
It is not a built in function to handle this via bluetooth I could only suggest you try to look up some 3rd party program, but I could not provide support for this.
Best regards,
Dennis
HTC
Well actually, the HD2 does support video out! Using myMobiler you can display in full screen on your PC what's going on on your HD2. And if in turn, you connect your PC to your TV you could also watch your HD2 on your 50'' Full HD TV screen
OK, I'm joking here, the quality would be terrible, but still, it goes to show that it's possible to have video come out from the micro USB port and be displayed on a much larger screen, so maybe someone will go one step further!
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Well actually, the HD2 does support video out! Using myMobiler you can display in full screen on your PC what's going on on your HD2. And if in turn, you connect your PC to your TV you could also watch your HD2 on your 50'' Full HD TV screen
OK, I'm joking here, the quality would be terrible, but still, it goes to show that it's possible to have video come out from the micro USB port and be displayed on a much larger screen, so maybe someone will go one step further!
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Mon pot
I basically wanted to connect my HD2 to a Car Entertaniement device which has a 7 inch touch-screen, 'genre auto-radio', (7 ' Din1, DVD, GPS, Bluetooth, USB) in order to take advantage of all features/applications from the HTC (Google maps, dictionnaires, enclyclopedia, 3G, opera, chat etc).
Mymobiler will not help at all.
The HTC Touch Pro supports the video-out; The HTC DH2 does not support it as it is now. I have seen on http://wmpoweruser.com/ a guy making a video out cable for this LG eXpo. Check the video. Why can't we do it?
It shouldn't be difficult to make a video out cable...
Via a redfly?
If you were really committed, you could grab a Celiocorp Redfly, wait until they release the HD2 driver, then use the media cable to output to video...
Then, for the transmission of the video, you could use either bluetooth or micro-USB.
So it's technically possible with the right hardware...
The closest thing you'll get to TV out on the HD2 is the ability to set it as a media server, but that will require some kind of media browser client. I've done this with my PS3 and a Nokia N95, but the software is currently under development for the WM platform.
See here...
http://mobileosgi.blogspot.com/2009/08/dlna-media-server-for-smart-phones.html
Incidentally, they use a PS3 on the demo video, but that is not required. Also, you can use this to stream video, not just pictures.
problem is
phones that output through the 3.5 jack have an extra connector inside the socket to carry the image channel so there is no way to adapt a standard 3.5 output to carry video regardless of software. (not taking mine apart to look if its 2 or 3 chanel of course hehe)
as for through the usb im less sure but i'd guess it would only be able to send to host devices and not client peripherals. course, I'd be more than happy to be told otherwise.
samsamuel said:
I'd be more than happy to be told otherwise.
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i wish some one finds out how to do this.. but i just did a quick search on google and what i found out was that none of the snap dragon processor based winmo devices do video out
guess ill be keeping my iphone 3gs (cos i need video out )
i just played with the hd2 today and boy im gonna miss not having it
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i just did a quick search on google and what i found out was that none of the snap dragon processor based winmo devices do video out
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The processor has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the device can output video. It needs specific hardware to do this and it is not included in this device, neither through the USB port or the 3.5mm jack socket.
It is 100% impossible to implement a "fix" for this with software because the device simply does not have the hardware required.
Actually, Snapdragon processors DO support TV-Out. The Acer s200 (neo touch) and Toshiba TG01 both run on Snapdragon and support TV-Out. What I think the problem is, is that the hardware is there, but HTC just haven't implemented it. Meaning that they simply have not connected the function. Which is actually a shame as this was the only thing the pushed me away from this spectacular device and choose the Omnia B7610 instead, because it is a better all round device.
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Actually, Snapdragon processors DO support TV-Out. The Acer s200 (neo touch) and Toshiba TG01 both run on Snapdragon and support TV-Out. What I think the problem is, is that the hardware is there, but HTC just haven't implemented it. Meaning that they simply have not connected the function. Which is actually a shame as this was the only thing the pushed me away from this spectacular device and choose the Omnia B7610 instead, because it is a better all round device.
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You need a lot more than just processor support for TV out functionality, so the hardware is not there. Some of it is, but only 1 small part.
Exactly! That's why I was disappointed with the HD2. Seeing as Acer and Tosh both implemented the tv out functionality from the core, why didn't HTC do the same? Surely it wouldn't cost them THAT much more would it?
As far as I understand, this is a hardware related issue and not driver related? If it is driver related, I am sure one day this driver would be coded and made available in this forum.
I was palnning to video out to my car DVD entertainment touch screen device in order to be able to use google maps, opera, dictionnaries etc..
This plan will ne be feasible then...
You can use the hd2 as an usb-stick. With that function i can view movies and listen to music on my Alpine touchscreen radio.
okay. since Android got it self a forum, i thougt we need a Ubuntu thread. I have no idea if this post belong here, but i belive it needs to be somewhere. I love to have a full Ubuntu running with WiFi at least. The Andriod and Ubuntu thread is overwhelmd with Andriod dev so here i go. If the Ubuntu developers for HD2 want to setup a thread of there own i would love it
Also read the first sticky Linux post for current info and files . Im not a developer just a user hoping for further development on Ubuntu, and i hope im not alone out there
My story so far:
I have used Ubunto now for a while with a USB hub with a mouse, keyboard, soundcard and external power. So far i found Ubunto to be a bit unstable. Feels like its easy to make it drop out. I have ended up with no startmeny and no computer icons, leaving me with just desktop pic and i have to press power/hangupp button to shut it down.
Also playing music in included music player is a bit shaky, sometime i dont get audio and need to change a couple of tracks to get it to play again.
BTW anybody have a password problem? If i want to change time as a example,i need to type a password and its not accepting "ubuntu"?
Also, anybody have managed to get landscape somehow? Would also be nice to get WiFi up and running, so if a dev has any ideas on possible updates on progress would be nice. I have no mobile usb dongle so i havent been able to try that.
So how your experience so far? Type away and lets at least share what we know.
Best regards from me.
ROM, latest NRG cookie dilink glass edition
Radio, 2,12,50
only ubuntu download link i found
gamesquare.co.uk/ubuntuh.html
wow, talkabout being the only one wanting Ubuntu on my HD2. Sorry, wont ask again.
I would definitely be interested in running Ubuntu on my HD2 - it is the OS of choice for my desktop. Is there any bluetooth support at present? I have a BT keyboard / mousepad combo and that would make it very useable for me.
ok but if i don't have a keyboard for my phone and i want to use ubuntu .. i reallt can't use it ? is there any virtual keyboard ..?
Bluetooth and WiFi is currently not working, also no sound.
BUT there is built in usb support. I went to rhe cheepest electronic store and bougt a USB HUB that has its own power adaptor, also som USB cables and adaptors.
A regular pc keyboard, mouse, mobile internet dongle etc. Everything being USB can be used. And i also found in a drawer of mine a usb stick soundcard. So basicly as it is now, all works with some cheep usb tec, but as stated, i have no mobile internet so dont know if it works.I did get to borrow a dongle for like 5min and it found the internet supplyer etc so should work i guess.
Now i realise for some that they might go banana because they cant use Ubuntu without USB gadgets. But thats one reason to try to get the developers attention. If you get to connect some usb stuff(mouse being the least, no k-board if you want to just try it out, i belive you will get hooked on the idea and trying out stuff of your own. I find it fun connecting all old USB stuff i have lying around.
Next step is to add my 1TB usb drive, maybe get to watch some movies.
So, its Ubunto is its birth at least crawling. But with the full attention on Andriod it seems Ubuntu is getting forgotten, hence this thread, so they notice us, and while we wait, try it and report here in lack of space, only wish this could be a sticky or a seperat dev Ubuntu thread because, were drowning in the Android happiness going on.
I will keep testing its 0,1 beta further to se what makes it tick. But im no developer, just a concernd fan, but im having fun, so i report my findings, fun to be in the edge, or birth of something so comon, bring out the dea...ops, i mean bring out your USB gadgets and play, who knows, you might have fun as i.
..oh, sorry for missing one reply here. Found no virtual keyboard so far, this password thing is my biggest concern atm, its like admin rights i need.
Some touch screen implementation is in there, so you can use your fingers to move around and dubble tapp opens SOME stuff and menys. Not very presise but it works if your patient.
Heres a list of USB gadgets im using atm.
HUB: Plexgear, 4 usb ports + 1 data port (its where you plugin you HD2) + power adaptor (Incl in the package)
Mouse: A old Microsoft 2.0 wired mouse and a reaaally sheep wirless mouse, just tried if wireless mouse would work, and i can confirm it does.
Keyboard: A mini keyboard named Zippy with built in blue lights, got to type in style =)
Sound: A no name usb stick not much larger then the usb reciver for a wirless mouse. All it says on the stick is " USB Audio Controller. I belive i heard somthing they going for the amout of 17$ or somthing.
Harddrive: Tryed my 1TB drive, maybe its to large to get recognized or something, but i cant find it atm.
BTW Anybody have a small USB HD lying around they could test?
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okay. since Android got it self a forum, i thougt we need a Ubuntu thread. I have no idea if this post belong here, but i belive it needs to be somewhere.
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'HD2 Android Development' naming is erroneous for that reason. I vote we rename the forum Linux and Android development.
-Most elementary progress is seated in the kernel - which has nothing to do with android in the first place. The kernel is Linux and not android.
-Android is not the only userland usable. As seen here there is ubuntu and other stuff.
edit: Find a thread discussing this issue here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=654560
I can fix you ubuntu 0.2 with wifi and all kinds of stuff soon.
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wow, talkabout being the only one wanting Ubuntu on my HD2. Sorry, wont ask again.
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cant wait to boot up ubuntu on my hd2. But still cant even boot up with v0.1.
dcordes, ur great man! love how the team actually progresses to achieve the current state.
just would like to ask issit possible, technically, to tap on gprs while running ubuntu? Was thinking bout it but not technically sure.
wangiles said:
dcordes, ur great man! love how the team actually progresses to achieve the current state.
just would like to ask issit possible, technically, to tap on gprs while running ubuntu? Was thinking bout it but not technically sure.
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you're welcome. yes that's possible I'm working on it as we speak.
speedwie said:
cant wait to boot up ubuntu on my hd2. But still cant even boot up with v0.1.
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Hmm, thats bad. I read the read me file and it booted up nicly. Are you using stock rom or somthing? What happent for you?
What i did was basicly just extract the folder "Ubuntu and copied it to storage card so the Ubuntu folder was in the root of the SD. First try i had no hub or mouse or anything connected just to se if it worked.
Im using latest NRG rom from 24th, cookie Dinik version with 2.12.50 radio, i have 575MB activated.
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I can fix you ubuntu 0.2 with wifi and all kinds of stuff soon.
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woooo, lovly, cant wait to try it out.
linux distro
wich linux distro would it be better for android?
i would say the ubuntu netbook remix
but thats only me...
i can't wait to use it, the kernel its almost done anyway (android), also wouldn't it be possible to swap between the 2 of them? (android and linux) i know you can with a piece of software change between gnome and kde or other in ubuntu, i already used it.
cheers
linux
in android you just can't keep up with the thread, speak of linux and nobody cares, ndo they know what we are on about?
i don't think so...
I've been using Ubuntu linux as the only OS on my laptop I use for everything (school, work, personal stuff) for about a year now. I absolutely love it, and if it weren't for games and some work stuff, I would also switch to Ubuntu with my desktop. One thing that did give me a lot of headaches on my laptop was my phone though: I've had lots of trouble with the combination of my HD2 and ubuntu/linux (obviously, since M$ does not support linux at all).
But still, I don't really feel the need to have ubuntu on my phone. I'm happy with android because that is supported well by my ubuntu laptop, but I don't see how an OS that has been made for screens of 7" or bigger (taking into account the netbook edition, otherwise I'd say 12") and input by mouse/keyboard can be really useful on a 4" mobile phone.
If you want a debian-based distro that is useful on your phone I'd look at Maemo/Meego: these distro's are more open and desktop-like than android but have been made for usage on a phone (touch)screen. I just have no idea how much work it would be to port one of these OSes.
I respect that people want to tinker around with ubuntu and try to get it to work, but personally I think it is best to have as many as possible developers working on Android itself rather than not-so-useful side projects...
ah well, just my two cents
port linux
to port ubuntu or any other distro to a mobile all you need is the kernel, for htc hd2 its almost ready, on top of the kernel you can put whichever linux u want, maemo android linux whatever u want.
I know that, I was talking about the portability of the OS itself... the software on the OS has to communicate with the right drivers and stuff. Since android runs on HTC devices with similar software, a lot of stuff can be copied. Maemo normally runs on a Nokia device, Ubuntu is mainly developed for x86/x64 hardware, that's why I think they're more of a job to port.
yeah should be quite a challenge but i believe that is what drives this guys, anyway ubuntu is already running on hd2 my concerns are actually the distro to be used that makes it usable, i mean if i have to carry a keyboard and mouse to make it work its not very practical. i rather have a choice to use it or not, regarding the os communicating with the drivers it should be quite straight forward since ubuntu is pretty much plug and play at the moment, it will detect your hardware (drivers).
Dear HD2 Gods of XDA,
Hello! For the tl;dr version just check out the bold.
I have two questions/goals in this post. I teach high school science and I was looking for a way to avoid spending >$500 on a document camera for my classroom. I'm on T-Mobile USA and I currently have Android NAND on my HD2.
I'm looking for a way to turn my cell phone's camera into a document camera. Essentially I want to take the real time image (sound is not needed) and feed it to my projector in my classroom. I don't need to actually save the video footage, just have it appear of the screen. Do you know of any apps for Android that can accomplish this? I saw some for WM - but I finally removed WM from my phone...will I have to go back? Thoughts? Options? Opinions?
Secondly, I want to reverse tether option for my phone. My classroom is buried and I often get no signal all day at work. Right now I turn on airplane mode to conserve battery and just disconnect from the world until 3pm. I'd like to be able to atleast plug my phone into a USB port and get some data on the phone. As a teacher I can't really be on FB at work, but still being connected on my HD2 would be nice. Maybe then I'd actually buy a dock for the thing. I saw some older posts about setting up an adhoc network with android but I'm fairly inexperienced - if there's a setting or app now that can do this I think that would be easier. Again, I am sure this is possible, but I just want your opinions about how to BEST accomplish this.
Now...the complicating factors...the mismatching hardware across the board.
My HD2 Running Android
My Laptop: M11xR2 (only has DP, HDMI and USB ports) running Windows 7
Dell Projector: S-Video and VGA ports currently connected to...
Dell POS School Tower: Has the VGA connected to the projector. Runs Win XP and I'd need my tech guys to do any software installations on due to administrator lockdown on the computers at work.
What other details would be helpful? What do you think the best approach is? I'm open to flashing the phone back if it's needed.
Any chance to use an USB DVB-T DONGLE with NEXUS PLAYER?
Maybe. You want "TV" on your Set top box ?
Software is the tricky part. Does this work ? : http://www.geniatech.com/pa/pt115m.asp
I recall a decent thread here on XDA somewhere but can't find it right now and seem to recall the app wasn't going anywhere too fast.
And there's at least one 3 star app on Play, but doesn't work for many people.
I'll be happy just to get FM radio, with SDR Touch or whatever...
thanks, can be a thing like that but I want to use any usb dongle that I want and not a single choose like that.
For example I'v build for my daily use, a mini barebone with a small debian distro with VDR, in this way I can play divx and dvb-t as I want but, if my dongle usb dvb-t for any reason broke........I can buy the first dongle usb that I found on any market online, compile kernel module for that dongle and put in usb port it, it's so simple.......
I love nexus player, 99$ about, remote control, android marke, playing game, youtube, and more infinite possibility, but at TV DVB side I want be free to use any usb dongle DVB for desktop pc as I made today
There's any chance to get, nexus player kernel, enable DVB module for dongle, put inside usb port of nexus player, and watch tv?
At software side, is need an app or Android TV S.O. is capable to manage DVB correctly?
Thanks in advance!
Do you have any other Android devices? If you're already comfortable recompiling a kernel to support your hardware, I'd suggest trying that on a different Android device first. Then you would know if the Android framework could handle such a device.
EDIT: Here's a link to the Android TV developer site about supporting live TV in Android TV. It appears it's designed around that being possible, so if you can add your tuner hardware support to the kernel I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to make it work within Android.
ok tnx