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Played with Galaxy S with Froyo and....

I just played with a Galaxy with 2.2 Froyo. And I can honestly say I see absolutely no performance upgrade. Yes flash is there and a few added features we all no about in froyo. But nothing noticeable! There was still lag on the lock screen and animations. Market was better, browser seemed the same when I tested speed against my fascinate. Except flash.
Was I getting excited for nothing? Any
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froyo update = when major development starts
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not only is that right about development, but any froyo that you have played with that is out right now isnt final. supposedly samsung pulled it to make major optimizations and put their phones up to par with all the other froyo phones. we will not actually know how it runs on the fascinate to we get a build that is specific to the fascinate. Im still holding out a little hope, however ive never seen any lockscreen lag to begin with so dont know what thats all about.and once i put adw or LP as my launcher i really dont see any lag. it sticks for a second every once in a while but i never see the jitteryness that i had on my droid x, that she now has with froyo that is not one bit faster than my fascinate. i dont know about everyone else but im ready for that nice big LTE LG phone that we all saw on engadget and every other news site. that would be nice

If you don't know what Froyo adds, you don't know what you're playing with.
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Daswolven said:
If you don't know what Froyo adds, you don't know what you're playing with.
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That is not what the op said.
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I know I've heard this stated wrong a couple places. A major release is 1.x to 2.x and a minor release is x.1 to x.2 so the froyo update is a minor release. Most of the features are under the hood improvements. I've seen froyo on the evo and most of my friends didn'tnotice a difference.
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adrynalyne said:
That is not what the op said.
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Perhaps you should read the op, and reread my response. The V8 browser boost, JIT, and memory management upgrades are very apparent to someone who knows what they're looking at regarding performance.
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Sherwood1 said:
I just played with a Galaxy with 2.2 Froyo. And I can honestly say I see absolutely no performance upgrade. Yes flash is there and a few added features we all no about in froyo. But nothing noticeable! There was still lag on the lock screen and animations. Market was better, browser seemed the same when I tested speed against my fascinate. Except flash.
Was I getting excited for nothing? Any
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Four words. Just In Time Compiler.

Daswolven said:
Perhaps you should read the op, and reread my response. The V8 browser boost, JIT, and memory management upgrades are very apparent to someone who knows what they're looking at regarding performance.
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Please. If you need to be told about performance to notice it, then its a placebo. Maybe you should re-read. The op never said they didn't know what froyo adds, as you insinuate. They said they didn't see a performance increase. Two very different things. Coming from Froyo on two different phones....a lot of these performance increases are situational, and not translating into overall performance increases.
Plus how can you say the op is wrong about galaxy s froyo if he had tried it and you have not? Samsung has a track record for screwing **** up.
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adrynalyne said:
Please. If you need to be told about performance to notice it, then its a placebo. Maybe you should re-read. The op never said they didn't know what froyo adds, as you insinuate. They said they didn't see a performance increase. Two very different things.
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Well, okay. Since you said please. Lol.
There's a notable performance difference is my point. Having played with quite a few 2.1 and 2.2 roms on my Nexus, it is night and day. Heavy apps and games load quicker and run smoother. Hard multitasking doesn't cause any drag. The browser is twice as fast running side by sides.
Ill speak more plainly then, so perhaps you can catch on to my point.
My mother in law plays farmville and checks email. If I upgrade her 1.8 ghz P4 with a gig of ram to a quad core 2.6 ghz and 6gb gaming memory, she really isn't going to see much of a performance difference in farmville and hotmail.
However, when I run photoshop, play with video editing, or crank up Fallout3, it will be very evident.
JIT is not a placebo. Nor is the V8 browser, or the kernel based memory management improvements that 2.2 brings.
So again, if you do not see the performance enhancements, then you do not know what you are looking for.
This is a statement, not an opinion.
As for samsung screwing it up, it is possible, though I won't care a whit as soon as I can get into either a clean AOSP froyo rom, or a CM port.
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I've used a Nexus One before and after Froyo. We use the phone as a "computer" for research purposes. The performance upgrade may not be readily apparent to the average user but JIT really boosts performance for computations. Froyo also adds some API's that developers can use to boost performance.

From what I read the J.I.T COMPILER doesn't do much for the humming bird processor and gpu.....it improves performance much more on SNAPDRAGON Processors.
Even with flash turned off I've seen videos of the iphone loading SOME webpages faster than the nexus one with 2.2.... that irks me cause I hate APPLE

Sherwood1 said:
From what I read the J.I.T COMPILER doesn't do much for the humming bird processor and gpu.....it improves performance much more on SNAPDRAGON Processors.
Even with flash turned off I've seen videos of the iphone loading SOME webpages faster than the nexus one with 2.2.... that irks me cause I hate APPLE
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I rest my case.
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Sherwood1 said:
From what I read the J.I.T COMPILER doesn't do much for the humming bird processor and gpu.....it improves performance much more on SNAPDRAGON Processors.
Even with flash turned off I've seen videos of the iphone loading SOME webpages faster than the nexus one with 2.2.... that irks me cause I hate APPLE
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Well not that it matters but my phone on 2.1/voodoo/OC with xScope loads "some" web pages (as in all 3 I tried) faster than the ipad I played with.

Daswolven you rest your case.... what was that?
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Your last post illustrates very clearly that you don't understand what you are trying to elaborate on.
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Daswolven said:
I rest my case.
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You rest your case of the iPhone loading some webpages faster than Nexus on 2.2?

You are so wrong. I know your a android fan boy but again you have no clue. Its a fact that JIT improves snapdragons much more than the hummingbird. Much more!!
You have no point, no case because your not basing it on experience or fact.
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My point was 2.2 doesn't offer much improvement in real world use atleast on galaxy s.... that's my point
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Sherwood1 said:
You are so wrong. I know your a android fan boy but again you have no clue. Its a fact that JIT improves snapdragons much more than the hummingbird. Much more!!
You have no point, no case because your not basing it on experience or fact.
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Awesome.
Okay, I am wide open. Please explain technically, or point to a source that explains how the snapdragon works better than the hummingbird with a virtual engine. JIT impacts the Dalvik VM, so you have lost me here. This is a sincere question.
I'm not a developer, nor an engineer, so perhaps you can enlighten me and others on this. Clarify this with verifiable source pls.
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How to get 2000 on quadrant

I onlly get like 1100 with a fresh install. I never beat the nexus x
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Check out the benchmark topic in q&a forum, its recently added on the last page of this topic. Quite a story to type over, so check it out yourself.
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allstate973rd said:
I onlly get like 1100 with a fresh install. I never beat the nexus x
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what rom are you using and what are your settings? overclocked? Sysctl?

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what rom are you using and what are your settings? overclocked? Sysctl?
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CM 6.1.1 V3.2 + Z`s Data2SD
Quadrant 2428

Always nice to not reply on your own topic when people bother to reply... I always imagine how things go when people do that in real life. Entering a shop, asking a question, get a reply and than leaving without saying anything...
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PollPixx said:
Always nice to not reply on your own topic when people bother to reply... I always imagine how things go when people do that in real life. Entering a shop, asking a question, get a reply and than leaving without saying anything...
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ahahahahahaha
excelent

PollPixx said:
Always nice to not reply on your own topic when people bother to reply... I always imagine how things go when people do that in real life. Entering a shop, asking a question, get a reply and than leaving without saying anything...
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Lol. Quite Funny.. But if you do ever come back allstate, I think Data2SD will do the trick.

I also get very high with data2sd and wolfbreak's 1.6.3 v4.3 rom. I have got up to 2500, but I'm not sure if it actually makes a difference. I can't tell a real speed difference with or without data2sd other than the quadrant. Without it it is around 1400.

misterwaugh said:
I also get very high with data2sd and wolfbreak's 1.6.3 v4.3 rom. I have got up to 2500, but I'm not sure if it actually makes a difference. I can't tell a real speed difference with or without data2sd other than the quadrant. Without it it is around 1400.
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Thats strange because I too have 6.1.3 v4.3 and without Data2SD I get no more than 1080. And I too dont really think Data2SD does anything with the speed or performance, well none I can notice anyway.
Coming out soon: Data2SD+++ (3800 plus and you can notice a major difference in your phones performance. Its faster than your mind can keep up...)

Get cm6 gingerbread made by jerpelea?I scored 1300 I had 200 free memory using task killer plus free memory recoverer and its battery life is not that bad I can go through a day
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I get 775 with stock Eclair, Im cool with that. I don't undersand the obsession of getting a high score to beat another phones, if we already know X10 is good.

if you want to get that much quadrant you need to have data2sd install on you phone.Im currently using tripNmiui and i have 2750 quadrant.it fast tho. or you van use free x10 beta 3 & 4.beside you need to install freex10 data2sd too.

900 with stock rom,with link2sd and setr cpu in 998 mhz ondemand

[Q] Overclocking on standard rom

Very basic and quick question.
I HAVE used the search button and didnt find the info i was looking for.
I've seen a few threads about people bing able to over clock their XPlay, and i was wondering how this would be done. I have got SetCPU ready to install, lol. The bit of info i need is, I am only using a standard rom, bootloader is unlocked and I am rooted, is this enuff to be able to overclock or do i need a custom rom running?
If I do need a custom rom, how would i go about using one and would i lose all the data on my phone??
Thanx to everyone in advance, I know everyone here are great people and I will get a decent answer and no one taking the piss for me being such a noob with these things, lol.

you need to install a custom kernel that supports overclocking...
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And you need an unlocked bootloader to flash a custom kernel
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Development forum has the kernel. It's reported that it runs at 1.5ghz without errors.
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Quick question also, what should be the normal score of our XPlay if we run it on app like quadrant standard? Thanks..

well i dont know what normal is but i get between
1700-1800 on stock rom with bloatware removed

brochador said:
Quick question also, what should be the normal score of our XPlay if we run it on app like quadrant standard? Thanks..
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Quadrant is a load of ****, its not an accurate benchmark, devs have been known to make kernels and mods that can trick quadrant into giving massive scores

I get 12to 1300... Not that it matters.. There is no lag
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AndroHero said:
Quadrant is a load of ****, its not an accurate benchmark, devs have been known to make kernels and mods that can trick quadrant into giving massive scores
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You can't even get consistent quadrant scores on the same device at the same settings.

AndroHero said:
Quadrant is a load of ****, its not an accurate benchmark, devs have been known to make kernels and mods that can trick quadrant into giving massive scores
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So what app can you suggest that can get an accurate score? Thanks.

None. Benchmark apps at the moment are not really solid.

Best kernel for Epic 4G ICS?

Any idea? Stability + good battery?
I was using Legendary before, awesome battery life while at 1400Mhz all the time. It was amazing.
Anyone know which kernel I should use now?

YMMV but this was my battery today with the newest samurai kernel tanto
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This being covered time and time again in many different posts over many different threads almost warrants no answer but ill give you one and here it is
try them all flash one per day till you find one that works for you the way you like it everyone uses their phone differently so no matter what you will get different results than i do or the next person that post on this

It's really up to you, try them out and see what you like the best. I've tried all 3 kernels currently out right now and they all work pretty good. The two I usually stick with are shadow kernel and the samurai kernel. Shadow kernel is nice and makes everything feel real snappy. You can overclock to 1400 mHz and the battery life for me is good. The newest shadow, tanto, overclocks to 1500 mHz and works with voodoo control. Haven't gotten the chance to really test battery since it just came out but so far it runs pretty good. Just test both of them out, you can always flash over another kernel.
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Bad question....like what's the best ROM. Every phone and every user is different. You have to try them out to see what works best for you.
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Exactly im still on froyo acs because it works for me

ZenInsight said:
Any idea? Stability + good battery?
I was using Legendary before, awesome battery life while at 1400Mhz all the time. It was amazing.
Anyone know which kernel I should use now?
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I am pretty much a noob here and know better than to ask any "what's the best....." question. I have read it dozens of times that your phone and your use is different. Might as well ask us how you should dress too.

Stock.
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Zeinzu said:
Stock.
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Also close to stock kernels like aprosamurai's. He likes to keep his stockish with a few tweaks and some new fixes. Just my opinion of what works best on my phone. Others like earthbound's are too tweaked for me but his is really fast and bleeding edge. Bbelos's are also good.
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Zeinzu said:
Stock.
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The best kernel is Colonel Sanders.
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xSaint21 said:
Exactly im still on froyo acs because it works for me
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Lmao ohh my...believe me your missing out on so much my man
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Cm7 till cm9 is official
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Best kernel is facepalm. Epic facepalm.

Frostacious said:
Cm7 till cm9 is official
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Those are ROMs not kernels.

austin420 said:
The best kernel is Colonel Sanders.
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That's for CM7 only
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I'm using shadow now and have used apro's too and they both worked great. You need to experiment with them, and you're going to have to tweak to get better battery life. I had several trying to constantly run and none of them were things I use a lot so they had to go. If I wanted super battery life I would have bought a flip phone and not a micromini laptop, and I wouldn't have such a joyful device to tinker with.
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Stock is always going to be the best for wanting nothing but the simplicity.
Put it like this when i buy a car, i put bigger tires on my car for grip, and better handling. But i know i will loose some gas mileage but not alot.
I'll put a turbo and some internals into my engine to gain in power but will loose gas.
But if we can put bigger tires and a bigger turbo but still have the same gas results as stock, Then why not do it?
We all benefit in one area and thats why custom kernels are there for those who want options that stock doesn't provide.
Stock= Base Model
Custom = Fully Loaded
Simple as that. So everyone should try different kernels and then reply not saying oh this is the best. But say IMO i prefer this over that simply because of these reasons. Everyone will want a specific kernel because one may like different things about the different kernels

tony45x220 said:
Lmao ohh my...believe me your missing out on so much my man
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I know we all are man we gotta get that iPhone

kennyglass123 said:
Those are ROMs not kernels.
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And also cm9 IS official.
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If you want to keep close to stock: aprosamurai's.
If you want to live on the bleeding edge: earthbound's
I prefer stock, though I may give earthbound's another try now that he made some updates

What's everyone's setup!?

Just wondering what everyone's kernel settings are that are rooted with a custom rom? What's giving best performance/battery life etc..... Let us all know! :beer:
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I use these settings. I figure the dev of a kernel knows a lot more then me
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=41756874

I'd give mine out but I always seem to get into huge debates over it. But I seem to do well in quadrant. I have 0 lag and I couldn't be more happy

rawintellect said:
I'd give mine out but I always seem to get into huge debates over it. But I seem to do well in quadrant. I have 0 lag and I couldn't be more happy
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Post em up rawintellect haha I wanna check em out , been getting really similar scores - been trying to get to 15k! Some people just don't realize not every kernel setup has got to be for saving battery life and some are for lightning fast performance.
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