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Motorola Bootloader Petition (>10K sigs & Moto Response)

Visit Groubal and sign the petition: http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
Retweet: http://twitter.com/#!/ibproud/status/52265679990169600
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/unlockmoto
UPDATE (14th June 2011):
We are now over the 10,000 mark.​
I have now spoken with Motorola and gotten confirmation that Motorola plan to unlock every device that will get an update in the second half of this year. This will include maintenance & firmware updates, but is still subject to Carrier approval.
The promising sign is that Verizon has already allowed Motorola to unlock a device on their network, the Xoom, which utilizes the unlockable/re-lockable model that Motorola intends on using across their devices.
I'm still looking to work with Motorola in the coming months to help see if we can make this a smooth process for Motorola and the community.
You can read the article here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/06/14/an-u...witter&utm_campaign=Feed:+ausdroid+(Ausdroid)
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
UPDATE (26th April 2011):
We are now at ~8,700 mark.​
Motorola has now responded to me, stating that they are looking at unlocking bootloaders across their devices late 2011.
The article for the story can be found here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/04/26/the-little-aussie-taking-on-motorola-u-s/#more-8184
We're still seeking clarity around whether this will be for current devices or only future devices.
I couldn't have gotten this far without the support of everyone here. You guys and girls have been a huge support and help me turn this snowball into a wrecking ball.
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
Previous Update (4th April 2011):
We are now at ~7600 mark.​
We're starting to slow down from our initial boom, so I have now set up a Facebook page to see if we can wrangle in some supporters that don't use Twitter or XDA.
I will need your help getting this out there. So share the facebook page where you can.
I'm also looking to see if anyone is interested in helping me Moderate the page. Please PM if you are.
Original Post:
Hi All,
I have created a Groubal (online petition) to get a response from Motorola on it's bootloader policy.
>>This petition started for the Atrix, but I made sure that it was for Motorola's overall Bootloader Policy. I have reached 200 signatures in 2 weeks, but now believe it's time to expand this out of the Atrix space and into the larger Motorola Dev community.

signed. good luck!
I would say that cracking the bootloaders would be pretty impossible. 1024bit encryption is pretty tough.

signed. want this locked bootloader madness to come to an end!

Signed, u home we get the real keys
Sent from my DROID2 using XDA Premium App

Signed
Sent from my DROID2 using XDA Premium App

Ok guys, we now have nearly 800 signatures, nearly 500 in one night alone.
Keep up the great work everyone, this wouldn't be going anywhere without your support.
Sent from my Atrix (in Australia)

1000+ signs!!!! Wow keep it up!! Spread the word!!!
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Signed!
Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk

I am pesimistic and I think Motorola will not unlock bootloaders on their devices, but signed.

I'm not signing the petition because I'm making a statement with my pocket. When my D2 contract is up, I won't be purchasing anymore Motorola products.

UrbanBounca said:
I'm not signing the petition because I'm making a statement with my pocket. When my D2 contract is up, I won't be purchasing anymore Motorola products.
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Why not both?
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kanek06 said:
I am pesimistic and I think Motorola will not unlock bootloaders on their devices, but signed.
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Unfortunately it seems other device makers are following suit with Moto, like HTC starting to lock down bootloaders. Sad sad sad.

Thank you everyone for your support.
Updated First Post!

Getandroidstuff . Com is willing to help and pulish a post on their blog .
Email them with a description of the article
at
[email protected]
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Groubal has been attacked again!
Hello Irwin,
Yes indeed...Groubal was hacked once again. We have our technical team and our hosting enterprise working feverishly on this to remedy the problem.
Clearly your petition and all your supporters have touched off serious nerves; and your message has created amazing awareness around the world now.
We will fix the problem and move forward. Please take the time to let everyone know on all the forums what has happened to Groubal.
Thanks in advance,
Groubal Customer Care
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I will update the post when they are back to normal operations.

I'm sure this question has been asked before, but are locking these bootloaders unconstitutional? It doesn't allow us to do absolutely ANYTHING with the product that we bought. I thought I heard something about someone that might actually make a lawsuit about this.

HerroMoto said:
I'm sure this question has been asked before, but are locking these bootloaders unconstitutional? It doesn't allow us to do absolutely ANYTHING with the product that we bought. I thought I heard something about someone that might actually make a lawsuit about this.
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It would be great if someone with a Lawyer friend could look into that one. I read somewhere that Motorola stood by it's decision for the Droid X and as long as they release the kernel source code (which no one could do anything with anyway), they were not in breach of any open source licences.

Updated OP

Signed. I wish Google would refuse to do business with manufacturers that lock the bootloader.

silverfang77 said:
Signed. I wish Google would refuse to do business with manufacturers that lock the bootloader.
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Unfortunately that would breach the Open Source licences and open them to a whole world of hurt.
But where there is a will, there is a way.

Motorola Bootloader Petition (>10K sigs & Moto Response)

Visit Groubal and sign the petition: http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
Retweet: http://twitter.com/#!/ibproud/status/52265679990169600
New Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Unlock-Motorola/115620798518187
UPDATE (14th June 2011):
We are now over the 10,000 mark.​
I have now spoken with Motorola and gotten confirmation that Motorola plan to unlock every device that will get an update in the second half of this year. This will include maintenance & firmware updates, but is still subject to Carrier approval.
The promising sign is that Verizon has already allowed Motorola to unlock a device on their network, the Xoom, which utilizes the unlockable/re-lockable model that Motorola intends on using across their devices.
I'm still looking to work with Motorola in the coming months to help see if we can make this a smooth process for Motorola and the community.
You can read the article here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/06/14/an-u...witter&utm_campaign=Feed:+ausdroid+(Ausdroid)
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
UPDATE (26th April 2011):
We are now at ~8,700 mark.​
Motorola has now responded to me, stating that they are looking at unlocking bootloaders across their devices late 2011.
The article for the story can be found here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/04/26/the-little-aussie-taking-on-motorola-u-s/#more-8184
We're still seeking clarity around whether this will be for current devices or only future devices.
I couldn't have gotten this far without the support of everyone here. You guys and girls have been a huge support and help me turn this snowball into a wrecking ball.
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
Previous Update (4th April 2011):
We are now at ~7600 mark.​
We're starting to slow down from our initial boom, so I have now set up a Facebook page to see if we can wrangle in some supporters that don't use Twitter or XDA.
I will need your help getting this out there. So share the facebook page where you can.
I'm also looking to see if anyone is interested in helping me Moderate the page. Please PM if you are.
Original Post:
Hi All,
I have created a Groubal (online petition) to get a response from Motorola on it's bootloader policy.
>>This petition started for the Atrix, but I made sure that it was for Motorola's overall Bootloader Policy. I have reached 200 signatures in 2 weeks, but now believe it's time to expand this out of the Atrix space and into the larger Motorola Dev community.

If this much effort was put into ROM tweaking we wouldn't need the bootloader unlocked.

rocko73 said:
If this much effort was put into ROM tweaking we wouldn't need the bootloader unlocked.
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Well, since my development skill is negligible (i'm more of an advanced user), I thought I'd contribute the only way I knew how.

Sorry, crappy day, shouldn't have posted it. I too wish they would listen to the masses.

Signed!
Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk

zwade01 said:
Signed!
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Cheers, love the signature for your above post.

What would be the possibility of creating an app like [email protected] that can share the load and distribute a brute force hacking attempt?
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deathbysnoosnoo said:
What would be the possibility of creating an app like [email protected] that can share the load and distribute a brute force having attempt?
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Could happen, but the 2 key Devs on the Atrix at the moment are looking at bypassing rather than breaking the bootloader.
They have both admitted to not knowing much about Cryptography.

You do know that there about half a dozen of these petitions already circulating.
They get some steam everytime there is an 'event' surrounding the bootloader, and then they die out just as quickly.
Rather than repeating the cycle, how about 'SEARCHING' for one of the other threads/petitions, and breathe some life into it.

Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
You do know that there about half a dozen of these petitions already circulating.
They get some steam everytime there is an 'event' surrounding the bootloader, and then they die out just as quickly.
Rather than repeating the cycle, how about 'SEARCHING' for one of the other threads/petitions, and breathe some life into it.
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I appreciate the feedback. I did make sure to reference the other significant petition in the Droid X forum, unfortunately the petition on the other one is through an outdated site and Groubal isn't just a petition, once enough interest has been shown for a particular complaint, they have a group that will personally get involved.
Not sure how effective it will be, just thought it was a good approach.

SIGNED! We shall prevail!

Wanna bet?

Thanks for starting this. Signed.

Signed. it is a shame motorola tried so hard to secure something rather than improve it to its fullest potential.

Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
Wanna bet?
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Lol no not really.

mattmartin77 said:
Signed. it is a shame motorola tried so hard to secure something rather than improve it to its fullest potential.
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Agreed.
I don't care if I have to sign a legal release accepting that my phone is no longer covered under warranty, just as long as I can unlock my phone.

Exactly. Thus chalk up another signature.
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Any idea how many signatures we would need to get some attention?
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Jon El Canche said:
Any idea how many signatures we would need to get some attention?
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I think around the 1000 mark, Groubal themselves will get involved. If you look at their home page, you will see that the 2 leading Groubals on there marked "Company Response" had around 1100.
AT&T even committed to the HSUPA fix in April. Not sure how much of that was a direct result of Groubal, but it's all very promising.
That's why I strongly encourage everyone to share this as much as they can.
Even if you're cynical, you spend just as much time discounting this than spreading it.
Consider all the other forums and social mediums you use and get it out there.

Ok guys, we now have nearly 800 signatures, nearly 500 in one night alone.
Keep up the great work everyone, this wouldn't be going anywhere without your support.
Sent from my Atrix (in Australia)

Bootloader petition

Motorola Bootloader Petition (~7600 sigs & counting)
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Visit Groubal and sign the petition: http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lock...loader-policy/
Retweet: http://twitter.com/#!/ibproud/status/52265679990169600
New Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Unlock...15620798518187
UPDATE (4th April 2011):
We are now at ~7600 mark.
We're starting to slow down from our initial boom, so I have now set up a Facebook page to see if we can wrangle in some supporters that don't use Twitter or XDA.
I will need your help getting this out there. So share the facebook page where you can.
Motorola is now aware of the petition!
https://supportforums.motorola.com/m.../355098#355098
Unfortunately we have had a few setbacks with Groubal the provider of the petition, but that have been absolutely fantastic about working with us to keep this petition in the forefront.
They have been hacked sever times, but it was as a result of an SQL bug that has affected over 690,000 other sites on the internet.
The site is now bug free and completely restored
Further SQL Bug Reading:
http://arstechnica.com/security/news...rls-so-far.ars
•Please continue to spread the word and show your support.
•Also, help us get the attention of major News sites Engadget and Gizmodo by submitting a tip for the story.
Previous Update (31st March 2011):
~5,600 Signatures!!! This is getting some serious attention now!
Stories have hit half a dozen Android News sites now.
Phandroid:
http://phandroid.com/2011/03/30/peti...ion-practices/
Droid-Life:
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/03/30...tion-for-that/
We're hoping to be picked up by Engadget and Gizmodo, but it won't be easy.
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Yeah, of course Moto's gonna unlock the bootloader after we signed this petition.
But even if it doesn't help: I signed it.

Its worth a shot. Ty for signing it
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I signed it, too.

Signed too. Lets give it a try

Thanks to everyone for their support. Motos ways are bleeding off onto other manufacturers. Thunderbolt and the new samsung have signed bootloaders now. We have over 6500 sigs and hoping engadget will pick this up. We will hopefully succeed in letting these manufacturers know that we wont stand for it.
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6700+ signatures now and counting. Let's aim for 10,000!

piperat said:
Please sign this to get moto to remove bootloaders http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/#sharethis
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Yes It's good for me, with a comment :
EveAlex62 said:
Please Moto send Key to unlock the bootloader .... Without People back on HTC device !!!!!!!
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Motorola has officially noticed the petition. This is the link to check it out. Over 7000 sigs now.
https://supportforums.motorola.com/m.../355098#355098

I've signed as well

https://supportforums.motorola.com/m.../355098#355098
This site can't be found ? Where is the problem ? MFG

the problem is the url, it's uncomplete
https://supportforums.motorola.com/m.../355098#355098

Motofan1996 said:
https://supportforums.motorola.com/m.../355098#355098
This site can't be found ? Where is the problem ? MFG
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Corrected link (I think): https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/355098#355098 (the [...] is for display only - clicking it actually leads to the forums)

updated OP all links should be correct now.
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Updated OP and fixed links.

2 filesonic 1 month acoounts giveaway

i new in xperia play comuunity and i want to give 2 accounts for 1 month each for the 2 top developers here but i don't really know who they are.
any suggestions?

Look in the Android development section and pick for yourself. we have quite a few deserving people.
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I would say doomlord and blagus
Sent from my R800

Imo it should be doomlord (defo) and zerojay or binary. As far as i'm concerned for all the money blagus was donated he has gave nothing back to the community except free unlocks to the people that donated! (I hope i don't offend anyone with that comment)
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AndroHero said:
Imo it should be doomlord (defo) and zerojay or binary. As far as i'm concerned for all the money blagus was donated he has gave nothing back to the community except free unlocks to the people that donated! (I hope i don't offend anyone with that comment)
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You forget that he delivered the SETweak kernel,before Doom, and he's been busy with porting Sense. You brought the first update.zip ROM, too. Being the first one counts IMO, because you risk much of your reputation.

I suggest give it to the Thread starter that helped you.. It's your call..

thanks all!
i'll have a filesonic account to share, i just need to see how to fegure it out so users won't change the password (or i can restore it?).
it's a lifetime account.
it's all about keep courge the developers here to keep and develop and contribute to the xperia play commuity.

blagus.
DooMlord is a good choice
Bin4ry if you want too
Top Devs ^^^^

I'd say to the developer of PSXPERIA: yifanlu and the developer of camera mod: Zoop57 please

those 2 account sent privately.
i still have 1 unlimited account (lifetime) i want to share with the community, i just need to see how to restore the password if someone will change it.

SGS3 Roms Distribution via DropBox

Please give me your input on this idea aimed at ROM Developers of the SGS3.
Since the Samsung Galaxy S3 comes with 50gb of dropbox space for two years, could you rom developers please use dropbox folder sharing as a way of distributing your roms?
Sometimes getting roms from mirrors and ad-filled file hosting sites can get really annoying. It would be really convenient if we could just join dropbox folders from a rom developer and have really easy access to roms. Devs simply need to post the folder link on their rom detail post and people can join anytime. Add folder restrictions so only the folder owner (in this case the rom developer) can modify the files. Limit your shared folder to the latest builds (or two) of your roms so people that have joined wont eat up too much of their DropBox quota. I would think like 1gb max per shared folder.
Since Dropbox is hosted on Amazon S3 infrasfructure, we would all be getting really fast speeds when downloading roms! Get rid of all those "60 seconds wait". Hopefully this method will also save developers from the crazy costs of hosting.
I dont know about you guys but my dropbox is nowhere close to be using 50gb! I wouldnt mind using 10gb of that for roms!
I also know that we have the awesome rom manager app but even that mostly links to slow mirrors. Please chime in and let me know what you think.
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I think drop box stops excessive downloading like photo bucket. It is great if you PM someone the link but they don't like excessive downloading. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Developers get paid from clicks on those ad filled hosting sites.
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benefit14snake said:
I think drop box stops excessive downloading like photo bucket. It is great if you PM someone the link but they don't like excessive downloading. Correct me if I am wrong.
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I think thats if you direct link to a file thats made public. But what about joining folders (which would eat up your own quota).
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1) Dropbox would nuke the link in no time due to traffic
2) inviting everyone who wants it to a folder would both be a HUGE pita also would break XDA rules RE direct links.
If you want file hosting, one of the best is dev-host, also XDA has a relationship with them, so if you are a RD, RT, or RC you get a free premium account, see here.
There is also Jumbofiles though they have issues at times due to load.
Also if you are a somewhat notable developer, you can sign up for a Goo.im account here.
I could go on, but there are tons of good hosts.
One of the problems is that stock SGS3 roms are HUGE (600-800meg?), so more traditional hosts wont do.
Dont you just wish we still had megaupload?

veyka said:
1) Dropbox would nuke the link in no time due to traffic
2) inviting everyone who wants it to a folder would both be a HUGE pita also would break XDA rules RE direct links.
If you want file hosting, one of the best is dev-host, also XDA has a relationship with them, so if you are a RD, RT, or RC you get a free premium account, see here.
There is also Jumbofiles though they have issues at times due to load.
Also if you are a somewhat notable developer, you can sign up for a Goo.im account here.
I could go on, but there are tons of good hosts.
One of the problems is that stock SGS3 roms are HUGE (600-800meg?), so more traditional hosts wont do.
Dont you just wish we still had megaupload?
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Huh? Not questioning your information...but wholly crap! 800mb? I thought motorola was bad lol... cm9 can be made to fit under 100mb... 700mb of bloat huh?
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Ah ok! Thanks for the explanation! That means this dropbox idea is pretty much out then. I think a lot more rom developers need to know about that developer hosting site and the free premium account perks. After all this thread was a result of my frustration of downloading a 600mb rom for 2 hours and timing out (the recent Wanamlite rom for sgs3)
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benefit14snake said:
Huh? Not questioning your information...but wholly crap! 800mb? I thought motorola was bad lol... cm9 can be made to fit under 100mb... 700mb of bloat huh?
Sent from my Axiom MAXX!!
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"Downloading: I9300XXALF2_I9300OXAALF2_BTU.zip | 753.5 MB"
Its just crazy, with touchwizz you are basically getting a second whole framework on top of the google stuff.
Even "lite" roms don't seem to be able to get much below 200megs, and lots are in the 600meg region.
Current SGS2 CM9 roms are 128megs, which is "large" compared to CM7 at 101megs give or take but still!
The host info was on the portal, not much more you can do to bring peoples attention to things.
Maybe if you see a dev having issues with finding hosting, point them at that portal post, even if they are not an RD/etc the free dev host stuff is good (if not great for the SGS3 as the limit is 512MB ) (the XDA premium thing is 10 files at up to 10gig each!)