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Ok, so I finally bought into this whole "task killers are horrible especially on froyo" bit and have not used one for a couple months and have factory reseted my phone between then and now.
There times my phone barely functions. I am currently listening to music and it skips every few seconds because the phone is so slow. Why isn't android killing the background apps? Sure, in a FEW HOURS it will be working ok again but give me a break. Why is it so bad?
Where is the music you are listening to? Your sdcard? Pandora's servers?
I have no trouble with the speed of my EVO..
/shrug my phones speeds are great !
Just try nHAVS, that's something you are thinking about
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i dont seem to have this problem either. even my friends that are too dumb to figure out how to root and install custom roms dont have this problem.... weird.
I use a task killer. I have no problems with it on Froyo. Sometimes my phone is running a little slower than I'd like it to, and I use the task killer and it helps. I really don't know why people have such a problem with task killers. I think it helps me more than it hurts, but if someone wants to chime and fill me in as to why they are frowned upon, maybe I'll change my mind about them.
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I use a task killer. I have no problems with it on Froyo. Sometimes my phone is running a little slower than I'd like it to, and I use the task killer and it helps. I really don't know why people have such a problem with task killers. I think it helps me more than it hurts, but if someone wants to chime and fill me in as to why they are frowned upon, maybe I'll change my mind about them.
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I always used a task killer mainly cuz I think it improved battery life a bit and also never bought into the anti task killer mentality. But since Froyo no longer lets them completely kill the app I've stopped using them. To me they seem unnecessary now.
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I don't think its anything that the phone is running in the background. I think its the kernel you might be running. I am running Netarchy 4.1. 9.1. And it does that, I was also running KingxKlick #4 I believe when it was doing that.
Try using a different kernel.
...in 1943, I killed a drifter.
Hellooo.... I said nHAVS
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I think the OP needs to be a bit more specific. What music app? Is everything slow? Custom ROM or stock? Did you try wiping both caches?
This problem wouldn't be considered normal for anyone. So either it is an easy fix, or you might have a defective phone.
Need more details, what ROM & Kernel are you using? What apps do you have?
I use a task killer but only manually and only kill apps I know don't need to be open, it works great. You just shouldnt use them if you are one of those people that wants to kill every single process that is in memory.
felacio said:
I don't think its anything that the phone is running in the background. I think its the kernel you might be running. I am running Netarchy 4.1. 9.1. And it does that, I was also running KingxKlick #4 I believe when it was doing that.
Try using a different kernel.
...in 1943, I killed a drifter.
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Are you using the BFS or CFS version? The BFS version did that to me as well, CFS runs perfect though.
I still wanna find the person that wrote the development guideline that says that apps shouldn't have a Quit option in the settings. It's one thing to back out of an app to do something else, then come back to where you left it. But a lot of times, I KNOW I'm finished with an app, I want to release its resources NOW and there's no Quit option. It's probably some of these that don't let go nicely that cause me to have much worse battery life one day than the next.
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I still wanna find the person that wrote the development guideline that says that apps shouldn't have a Quit option in the settings. It's one thing to back out of an app to do something else, then come back to where you left it. But a lot of times, I KNOW I'm finished with an app, I want to release its resources NOW and there's no Quit option. It's probably some of these that don't let go nicely that cause me to have much worse battery life one day than the next.
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Give them a good punch for me. Add a QUIT option next time!
Please be helpful to the op guys.
OP, if you haven't done so after you stopped using a task killer, you should do a factory reset. One of the issues with task killers is it can mess up the way Android handles tasks automatically. So if you do a factory reset and don't run any task killers, Android gets pretty efficient on its own and you shouldn't have any more issues. If you are using a custom kernel/rom like others are saying, then you'll want to try switching Roms. Remember to do a full wipe any time you switch roms/kernels. Also, if you are using Titanium backup when switching, don't replace everything. I had a lot of issues when I did that because it can replace some things that won't work right when replaced on a new rom. Plus, if you are having performance problems, it can also be caused by a specific app or service, and restoring it will only bring the problem to the new Rom. I suggest using App Brain to backup your apps and Titanium for only a few specific things, like Scenes and SMS.
Try the Factory reset first without installing anything. Give it a day and see how well it performs. If that works, add things back and see if it still performs well. If that doesn't work, try a different Rom if you are using a custom one or a new kernel if using a custom kernel. If stock, then you probably have a specific app that is causing issues and you'll want to uninstall it. Android will remain pretty speedy if you don't use a task killer as it learns and becomes more efficient at handling tasks.
To all those that say task killers work great, the reason you don't understand the issue is because you haven't read how Android works and how task killers interfere. They are bad, and even Google's engineers say that. They wrote the platform, so I'd recommend that you follow their advice. You can really screw stuff up with a task killer and overall they don't actually help you at all. Most people find that they use more power and resources than they end up saving, since if they are running on automatic, they are actively using resources to stop apps. That, and the system uses more resources to restart an app after its killed, which will worsen battery life and resources more than if you just let it run. Most "running" apps are actually just sitting in memory, doing nothing. When Android is running properly, it manages the memory, keeping it mostly full of apps that it thinks you might need in the future sitting there. If you open an app that isn't already in memory, it chooses to close other apps that you are less likely to use to give back enough memory for the current app.
In short, if you are having issues with Android not managing resources properly, its either because you screwed it up using a task killer, or you screwed it up with some mod that interferes with Android's resource management tools, which will either make it unstable or break it completely.
As you know, the fact that bootloaders are unlocked leaves an open door for third party firmwares (custom ROMs) to be applied to the phone.
Usually custom ROMs expand the functionalities of the phone and correct some of the software shortcomings. Even though the phone is only recently in the market, there may be some feature wishes and some complaints already.
In short, what features shoud a custom ROM add and what shortcomings should it correct?
I will start:
With the not-so-last gen processor the Play has, it is probably necessary to be able to overclock it.
I would like a minimal ROM (aka without bloatware) as it seems that the booting time of stock ROMs is incredibly high and it is caused by bloatware.
I don't have the phone yet (it's on its way ^^) but I have read things about the brightness setting being too dim and not changeable.
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As you know, the fact that bootloaders are unlocked leaves an open door for third party firmwares (custom ROMs) to be applied to the phone.
Usually custom ROMs expand the functionalities of the phone and correct some of the software shortcomings. Even though the phone is only recently in the market, there may be some feature wishes and some complaints already.
In short, what features shoud a custom ROM add and what shortcomings should it correct?
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With the not-so-last gen processor the Play has, it is probably necessary to be able to overclock it.
I would like a minimal ROM (aka without bloatware) as it seems that the booting time of stock ROMs is incredibly high and it is caused by bloatware.
I don't have the phone yet (it's on its way ^^) but I have read things about the brightness setting being too dim and not changeable.
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I may be working on an overclock kernel this weekend, it all depends on family stuff plus footy.
MOOOOOOORE MEMORY i dont even need a custom rom, just wish i had more than 40mb free ram at some point lol
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MOOOOOOORE MEMORY i dont even need a custom rom, just wish i had more than 40mb free ram at some point lol
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Doesn't sound right. I usually have over 200 free when the phones idle and no where near full when using FPSE etc.
Disable auto brightness and can set it manual (and increase more brightness).
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As mentioned, a bloat free rom. Pure Android port maybe?
There should be another loader than play, something thats able to load psx,snes,mame (single games) and every other games u installed by opening the pad. With the possibility to add/remove stuff after u install it.
Overclock is mentioned. (Only 1500 in quadrant original??) FPS is okay though.
(I hope wolves - sunderland is canceled, so we have something to look forward too.)
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Doesn't sound right. I usually have over 200 free when the phones idle and no where near full when using FPSE etc.
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I think he's refering to Internal Storage rather than RAM.
Since we suffer from very low internal storage, it would be great if a new ROM would provide something similar to the app2sd application (forces apps to install all data to SD). Might be a big ask though?
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I think he's refering to Internal Storage rather than RAM.
Since we suffer from very low internal storage, it would be great if a new ROM would provide something similar to the app2sd application (forces apps to install all data to SD). Might be a big ask though?
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Sure you can move most app data to the SD from settings AFAIK. Bit of a pain though so installing to SD automatically would be nice.
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Sure you can move most app data to the SD from settings AFAIK. Bit of a pain though so installing to SD automatically would be nice.
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Yuck, I got that wrong I thought app2sd allowed the footprint part of the installation to be mostly moved to SD. Kinda hoped the 30Mb of Asphalt etc cud be reduced to <1Mb or sumthin. Daft now that I think of it.
I agree then, no point in app2sd cuz I manually move the data when I install stuff anyway.
Admin, can someone wipe my replies to this cuz it's only taking up space on what shud be a valuable thread!!
1, faster boot-up time.
2, ability to pick the games you want to have in the games launcher (or a new launcher).
3, widgets from desire.
4, R/L buttons as camera buttons when active.
5, R/L buttons as volume when camera not active, i find the original volume buttons a pain, even more when you have a case/shell on
6, brighter screen for them sunny days.
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I think he's refering to Internal Storage rather than RAM.
Since we suffer from very low internal storage, it would be great if a new ROM would provide something similar to the app2sd application (forces apps to install all data to SD). Might be a big ask though?
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Nope im talking about ram. If you guys have issues with storage, fire up adb, connect your device. And input.
adb shell
$ pm setinstalllocation2
$ exit
This will force all apps to be allowed to install to the sd card, and games like ashpalt take less than a mb
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Nope im talking about ram. If you guys have issues with storage, fire up adb, connect your device. And input.
adb shell
$ pm setinstalllocation2
$ exit
This will force all apps to be allowed to install to the sd card, and games like ashpalt take less than a mb
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Nice tip cheers lad. Still not seeing how you are having problems with ram usage though, I haven't encountered any. If anything I am constantly surprised at the amount I have free when gaming etc.
Nope im talking about ram. If you guys have issues with storage, fire up adb, connect your device. And input.
adb shell
$ pm setinstalllocation2
$ exit
This will force all apps to be allowed to install to the sd card, and games like ashpalt take less than a mb
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Nice tip cheers lad. Still not seeing how you are having problems with ram usage though, I haven't encountered any. If anything I am constantly surprised at the amount I have free when gaming etc.
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Maybe its cuz i have 200+ apps installed lol
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bitme30 said:
As mentioned, a bloat free rom. Pure Android port maybe?
There should be another loader than play, something thats able to load psx,snes,mame (single games) and every other games u installed by opening the pad. With the possibility to add/remove stuff after u install it.
Overclock is mentioned. (Only 1500 in quadrant original??) FPS is okay though.
(I hope wolves - sunderland is canceled, so we have something to look forward too.)
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well with my fone rooted and afew things gone such as timescape
i get 1800+ in quadrant
but as far as custom roms i would love the miui rom
i had it on my x10 and thought it was exellent
i like the look and how fast and vibrant it was
so come on tripNraver or someone else port it over plz
App2EXT
As I hate the original android app2sd... as all widgets get broken by this method...
From what I've heard, since Verizon has fallen asleep.
1. Bare bone rom. Like to where you have to install gapps and other stuff. Only to have the apps android comes with.
2. R1 as take picture and L1 as focus.
3. Ability to add any shortcut to the "game app," forgot what it was called. Whether it be a app or game.
4. No overclock applied. Let the user add a overclocking app if they want.
5. Power control widget in the status bar.
6. And supper user of coarse
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i want a stock android tbh, STOCK; and of-course, an overclocking module
id love an option to disable data traffic automatically when the phones screen is turned off, if this could be built into a custom stock gingerbread rom. the reason that would be awsome is cause it would double your batterylife and save using a widget and having to manually turn it on and off wasting time.
also R1 for taking picture and L1 for focus
having a battery percentage in the status bar would be amazing ( i know theres apps to do this but again if it was built in the rom as stock)
I would love a better keyboard, i came from an iphone and androids keyboard is just not accurate enough.
thanks in advance whoever takes the time to make this possible i understand it takes alot of time and effort to help others but rest assured it also makes many people happy . I wish sony would have released this phone in a more polished state it feels half finished and fragmented with all the apps and games markets
CM7 or MIUI with apps2ext+
Overclocking kernel with CIFS
enough said..
FrAsErTaG said:
CM7 or MIUI with apps2ext+
Overclocking kernel with CIFS
enough said..
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I can agree with that
So do you guys use it and what does it exactly do? And also what does 3g turbocharger and kick ass kernel tweak do?
Basically everytime the memory drops below the thresholds set by v6, the system will start killing of apps running in the background which frees up memory that you most probably aren't using, Im currently on the aggressive settings so everytime my memory drops below 150mb the system starts killing apps. Its basically just tweaking the internal task killer to be slightly more aggressive. It also locks the launcher so the system cannot kill it if the memory drops too low.
The 3g tweaks, I think adjust or add some settings to the build.prop which supposedly make it faster although I haven't noticed much difference with that and the kernel tweaks I'm not too sure where the changes are made but again I don't see a great change from it. Definitely recommend v6 supercharger though.
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Basically everytime the memory drops below the thresholds set by v6, the system will start killing of apps running in the background which frees up memory that you most probably aren't using, Im currently on the aggressive settings so everytime my memory drops below 150mb the system starts killing apps.
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Great. Let's take 150MiB of RAM and then don't do anything useful with it. Processes aren't supposed to be killed unless you actually run out of memory.
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It also locks the launcher so the system cannot kill it if the memory drops too low.
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That seems innocent, but it won't help you if the launcher has a memory leak. If the launcher kept getting killed, it was telling you that your low memory thresholds are too high. Under normal circumstances, the launcher won't get killed. But if it grows too much, it'll get killed and the OS won't crash.
When you force close an application through the application manager, it shows you a warning. There's a reason for that (exactly what it says). And since Android 2.2, the framework can take care of itself just fine. No need for any 3rd party task killers.
Lol..... Thought you'd have something to say on it, actually mate the way my phone is usually setup there is nothing running in the background to kill anyway, thanks to autostarts I only have apps running that I need and make sure that I close things properly after use, so it really doesn't matter which settings I use whether they be low such as 30mb before it starts killing the first lot of empty apps or high such as 150mb as my setup rarely drops below because there is only the bare minimum running in the first place.
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Allright, it's not that RAM would slowly wear and tear by using it but at least you're not buying that it's better for performance. And I just wonder how these apps are made, as a thought experiment to figure out the mindset of whoever wrote this task killer.
...So let's make an app which looks real cool and doesn't do anything useful in particular! Wait, no one would download that! Hmm... Oh, I know! Let's call it "V6 Supercharger"! Yeah, that sounds awesome! Now people will download it for sure! It's the coolest thing since sliced bread!
It's the same with those programs like "Registry Booster". How did that happen? Someone must've woke up one day, turned on his PC, started poking in the registry, saw lots of keys which aren't really strictly necessary but are there anyway and thought like "Hmm, what if I made a program which removes all these unneeded keys? MS-Windows would be ZOMG faster!!111eleventyone". Then made it look real slick with a custom skin and a speedometer showing progress and say at the end that the registry has been "boosted". And since this guy is such a nice fellow, he threw in some extra free toolbars into the mix as well. Users always appreciate having more toolbars to click on and agreements to ignore.
Ok, I'll stop ranting now. Enjoy your week
Try explaining that to the dev who created it here. Honestly, it would be better, because, I am pretty sure most members here are not as technically inclined as you.:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
You're just setting him up so I can tear him apart... aren't you?
The poor bastard doesn't even know what it is... he thinks it's a task killer app... heh
No, I would like him to discuss all the technical aspects with you. Because, clearly, he's wasting his effort as a developer here educating non-technical people like me, and the majority here on the Wildfire Forums.
And before you accuse me of trying to set people up, I can assure you I have nothing against you / your script or anything. Rather, I have used your script, and came away impressed with it.
I know you you weren't doing anything like that... I'm always putting down these clowns that think that suffocating the phone is good... idiots lol
Like I say, what the hell good is phone if you can't make a call because of some crap hogging the ram?
Besides, I doubt very much he has any technical skills at all... like I said before, he doesn't even know what it is so he's not very techinical
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what does it exactly do?
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It makes you feel good.
And I definitely noticed a 0.00001ms speed difference when opening apps.
Another liar
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Another liar
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Yeah lol. Most people in this forum are wannabe developers who know **** about developing but they like to act like they do. Apart from few people who actually know stuff and the others like me who acknowledge the fact that we don't know anything
Fact is, those who know they don't know learn more than those that think they know it all
Less than a year ago, I knew 0 about android.
And when I started the supercharger script, I knew nothing about linux scripting.
Just started off with a few commands and everytime I wanted to try something new or add something... I googled it up.
And I'm still figuring it out.
For example, I set my 256mb device to have 25mb free with the number I use in slot 3.
So whatever memory tool I use will show I have 25 or 30mb free... great - that's what I want
But when I was doing up the recent update and enhanced the Fast Engine Flush, I wanted to show before and after using the "free" command.
To my surprise, system tuner shows that I have 30mb free while the free command shows I have only 5mb free!
So what's that mean? Why that difference of 25mb?
It means that all that "free ram" is actually being used for cache.
And it's giving me speed
So to those that think it's great to have ram clogged with apps when the system is starving for space to use for cache...
BOOYA!
Really have trouble using your scripts and I think after enabling 3gturbotweak thing my 2g data isn't working haven't tried 3g.
I can't recall it affecting 2g... so I assume 2g used to work (I don't get 2g - it's unavailable)
But if you unturbocharge, the 2g/3g goes back to normal, no?
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I can't recall it affecting 2g... so I assume 2g used to work (I don't get 2g - it's unavailable)
But if you unturbocharge, the 2g/3g goes back to normal, no?
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Well I had to format system data and cache and wiped everything and now it's working again so I'm not completely sure if it was the turbocharge thing.
The idea that you can magically "supercharge" your OS by freeing up memory is fundamentally flawed.
what the hell good is phone if you can't make a call because of some crap hogging the ram
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If this is really a problem on your phone, you're doing it wrong. I haven't done anything to free up ram and the amount of ram available on my wildfire is currently 108,48MiB. I start 10 random apps, Angry Birds, and Angry Birds Rio. 40,68MiB still free. I start Angry Birds Seasons and end up with 49,66MiB free and 9 apps died, including the first angry birds. Running out of ram is in general not a failure mode of Android and at no point was I unable to place a call. I close the 2 remaining open instances of Angry Birds the normal back-button way, 147,68MiB free.
I'm always putting down these clowns that think that suffocating the phone is good... idiots lol
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I just wanted to quote that.
And when I started the supercharger script, I knew nothing about linux scripting.
Just started off with a few commands and everytime I wanted to try something new or add something... I googled it up.
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That's exactly the impression I had. Now take it from someone who has run Linux both embedded and on his desktop for the past 12 years. Your app doesn't improve anything, and I'd be glad to be proven wrong because you would've actually made a discovery we can use to improve Android and Linux with. From your post I understand it you change vm kernel parameters such that the oom killer is invoked sooner. This is actually detrimental to the stability of the OS, the oom killer is only meant to be invoked as a _last_resort_. The Android framework has its own means to free up memory, including calling onLowMemory in any application and doing a gc run. This does not cause instability and is completely transparent to the user. I've only ever had to manually kill applications in a broken state and others for debugging purposes, which is why the Force Close button exists.
It means that all that "free ram" is actually being used for cache.
And it's giving me speed
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If the output looks anything like this:
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total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 3456 3325 131 0 10 93
-/+ buffers/cache: 3221 235
Then you've just never bothered to look. You can clearly see in the second line it makes a calculation for you which is exactly what it says in the leftmost column. And of course completely disregard the fact that cached pages are invalidated on a write (marked dirty) and reads from an mtd are really fast already anyway.
So to those that think it's great to have ram clogged with apps when the system is starving for space to use for cache
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This is not how it works! For starters, ram cannot be "clogged". A drain pipe can be clogged but ram is made of digital circuitry, not plumbing. And second, there is no resource starvation in the page cache. It's just an old optimisation to keep data pages in memory for longer to serve repeated reads and give them back whenever they're needed for something else. More apps in ram can actually mean less reads are necessary because the data is already there (especially if you tend to switch between recent apps). Since Android 3.0, application developers are encouraged to use Loaders which cause filesystem I/O to be performed on a background thread. And applications which actually use the available ram always trump applications designed to use as little ram possible in performance. Between a collection of loaded objects and a cached filesystem, the collection always wins. You have 256 to 512 MiB of RAM in a typical Android device. The average application is 18 to 30 MiB. It can manage. Especially when you consider the fact that the UI only shows 1 task at a time and pressing the back button usually destroys the activity you were in. The gc takes care of its remains.
Now here's something which will actually improve write speeds on /data: Open up settings, applications, manage applications. Sort by size. Remove the biggest apps you don't need and move the rest to SD if you can (you can use "pm setInstallLocation 2" as root to move non-froyo-aware apps to SD). I've been using the market a lot lately so I just removed aDosBox, Albert Heijn, PocketCloud, Pulse and moved Dolphin Browser to SD which meant 47.25MiB free on /data. On a 175MiB partition, 30% of it is about 52MiB so I'd try to keep the available space around 50MiB. If your phone is low on storage, doing this will perceivably improve performance.
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Well I had to format system data and cache and wiped everything and now it's working again so I'm not completely sure if it was the turbocharge thing.
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Same thing happened to me, but every time i turned 3g on the phone rebooted and i got stuck in a bootloop, i had to use the ruu update to restore phone.
I would stay away from the network tweaks. It doesnt improve speed anyway.
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The idea that you can magically "supercharge" your OS by freeing up memory is fundamentally flawed.If this is really a problem on your phone, you're doing it wrong. I haven't done anything to free up ram and the amount of ram available on my wildfire is currently 108,48MiB. I start 10 random apps, Angry Birds, and Angry Birds Rio. 40,68MiB still free. I start Angry Birds Seasons and end up with 49,66MiB free and 9 apps died, including the first angry birds. Running out of ram is in general not a failure mode of Android and at no point was I unable to place a call. I close the 2 remaining open instances of Angry Birds the normal back-button way, 147,68MiB free.
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All that you said is very informative.
What are your minfrees?
Set them to something like 6, 12, 16, 18, 26, 30.
Run a bunch of apps...
See how great it runs then
Fact of the matter is, user's with 1GB ram devices notice a real improvement.
Not placebo.
Pressing the home or back button has an instant effect without hesitation - which indeed happens on stock roms.
Yes in theory I'm sure it all makes sense and I apologize for using layman's terms such as "clogging".
An android phone is not a Linux PC so I believe it's not a great idea to configure it like it is a Linux PC.
They have difference purposes.
Anyway, in theory, a bumble bee can't fly - but it does.
i can only open about 3-4 app before my ram is full and its forcing to closing app . seriously ? wtf is this .
i feel like this phone is worse than n95 .
if i open a web page one youtube link and i still have in memory my message app it will start closing app and sometime it even close the Touch wiz widget so they have to re appear and load for 4 second . i cant believe they only putted 1gb of ram with all there touchwiz bloarware.
Ram issues
Check what apps are running on the background, i would check primarily things you log into that are always logged in like FB, Gtalk, Skype. although even with all those running you shouldnt have issues, maybe try doing a cache and dalvik cache wipe reboot and check changes.
MY BEST FIX is rooting, flashing an AOSP based rom that normally for me they use 350 to 400mb on a normal basis instead of 550-600mb in a sammy based rom.
mine is usally 800-1g and im constantly clearing memory. I dont get it either.
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mine is usally 800-1g and im constantly clearing memory. I dont get it either.
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S3 has a horrible memory management.
1 gb ram ain't enough for the beast.
Launcher redraw on a Top end phone is an Epic fail.
Selina40Kyle said:
S3 has a horrible memory management.
1 gb ram ain't enough for the beast.
Launcher redraw on a Top end phone is an Epic fail.
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I agree, I just opened every app i have and went up to 1.26gb.. and when i have no apps open it jumps from 800-1gb on its own.. so i guess its all in the system that takes up most of the space
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S3 has a horrible memory management.
1 gb ram ain't enough for the beast.
Launcher redraw on a Top end phone is an Epic fail.
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Jeez 1gb is more than enough
Problem is with the Samsung bloatware. Kies, Remote Controls and all those other services. Delete kiesexe and freeze the Samsung crap inc SVoice..
I see no need to sync to Samsung and Google. The Google services are enough.. The Samsung store is only worth unfreezing for those free offers. The four tracking services ain't needed etc I use Avast to do that etc.
Getting 285M free apx after bootup, same as ICS, on 4.1.2 now. 12 widgets, FB, G+, Fancy widgets, Jorte etc
Also make sure not to run supercharger. It kills multitasking!
Disable all the Bloatware or freeze it using link2sd.
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Still sitting between 540mb and 630mb maximum
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My 2gb i747m really makes use of the extra ram. It not only can handle 50 background apps with stock rom as apposed to 15-20 for the 1gb version (assuming there is enough ram), but it will boot with about 1.6-1.7gb available, about 700mb used, and 1gb free, and will use memory up to about 200mb free before killing apps to make room for new apps. Bottom line, it multitasks like a S.O.B. My opinion based on 2.5 years Android experience...is that 2gb ram helps big time...especially if you do not optimize your system.
If I had the 1gb version, I would consider a lighter rom as some have mentioned, but also the V6 Supercharger app with specific settings to allow maximum multitasking while remaining stable...which might take some experimenting. I would install Titanium Backup Pro and freeze as many non needed apps to prevent them from loading at boot and using up precious ram. Also, for some apps, I use AutoRuns to prevent them from loading at boot time.
Also remember...that some apps will stay in RAM when it's plentiful. But other apps are programed to allow Android to kill them after a certain length of idle time when they haven't been used.
Ram management is fine on the S3.
If you are not happy with it use a task killer, custom rom/kernel and/or supercharger v6 script.
Also if your ram<100 then you should start making complaints.
My free ram is at 120mb-160mb and i'm happy,no lags,no slowdowns,nothing at all.
Android preloads apps in memmory in order to open faster when we launch them.
Free ram really is wasted ram...it cancels multitasking and if you've bough a 600$ phone and can't multitask with it then you're worth of your fate.
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Ram management is fine on the S3.
If you are not happy with it use a task killer, custom rom/kernel and/or supercharger v6 script.
Also if your ram<100 then you should start making complaints.
My free ram is at 120mb-160mb and i'm happy,no lags,no slowdowns,nothing at all.
Android preloads apps in memmory in order to open faster when we launch them.
Free ram really is wasted ram...it cancels multitasking and if you've bough a 600$ phone and can't multitask with it then you're worth of your fate.
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The fact that an user has to get task killer and manage memory by him own: FAIL!
I know android pre loads stuff in memory, but it got the priority all wrong.
Why does it keep killing msging, phone and the GODDAMN launcher .
While it never kils the stupid stuff like "Google Book mark Sync", unless you freeze it.
There's no denying that 1gb has crippled S3 badly.
You can claim "Free ram is wasted ram" and throw down links, but at the end of the day it is giving me a bad experience.
Case in point:
1) Launcher Redraw:
Two points to it:
->Bad priority (I'm not sure if it's either a Samsung fault or Android; OOM 6 isn't the way to go).
-> Less ram.
The fact that browsing through play store for 15 mins and then hitting Home button results in launcher redraw is pathetic.
Less ram is the culprit( atleast one of the).
On such an expensive device this is just EPIC FAIL.
Sure we can do Super recharge and try removing the bloatware, but these are quick fixes and doesn't get rid of the main problem.
Not to mention not every one finds all this stuff easy.
The fact that you have to do tweaking on the 'supposedly greatest android phone' to make it work smoothly is an EPIC FAIL.
Custom Roms for an device as expensive as S3, should be there to enhance functionality and increase features. Not to make it works the way it should have out of the box.
2) Sh**ty Multitasking:
Trust me, my iPod touch does better multi tasking that S3 for day to day experience. (I am not an apple troll, btw)
And it doesn't even have a true multitasking and the specs are no where near S3.
When I pause a game, and resume it after an hour it starts from exactly same place . Try that with S3.
Try to use your phone when many apps are getting updated and notification bar is constantly changing.
It'll lag the hell out.
There's no defending to these points.
This is where Apple excels , by giving user everything perfect from out of the box.
Sure you can't do much, but what ever you can, you do it smoothly.
What makes me sad is that Samsung is so close to it, yet they screwed the experience.
And I'm not even going to talk about Contacts and Phone apps.
nfsmw_gr said:
Ram management is fine on the S3.
If you are not happy with it use a task killer, custom rom/kernel and/or supercharger v6 script.
Also if your ram<100 then you should start making complaints.
My free ram is at 120mb-160mb and i'm happy,no lags,no slowdowns,nothing at all.
Android preloads apps in memmory in order to open faster when we launch them.
Free ram really is wasted ram...it cancels multitasking and if you've bough a 600$ phone and can't multitask with it then you're worth of your fate.
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Sorry but this is complete and utter drivel. Stop quoting websites and Google and start wising up.
If you have a game that needs to run and it uses 100mb and the phone has no free ram it kills something else.
This would be fine if the phone loaded the apps quickly but it doesn't.
Custom ROMs do not fix the lack of ram and neither do any of the memory management scripts.
My phone has around 200mb to 300mb though and it still loads and reloads phone and messaging and browser randomly.
Sgs3 is useless at memory management and anyone who says otherwise is living in a dreamland.
No lags and slowdowns is just blatantly not true as your messaging app and phone app will frequently take up to two seconds to load if you are using any Samsung ROM.
biffsmash said:
Sorry but this is complete and utter drivel. Stop quoting websites and Google and start wising up.
If you have a game that needs to run and it uses 100mb and the phone has no free ram it kills something else.
This would be fine if the phone loaded the apps quickly but it doesn't.
Custom ROMs do not fix the lack of ram and neither do any of the memory management scripts.
My phone has around 200mb to 300mb though and it still loads and reloads phone and messaging and browser randomly.
Sgs3 is useless at memory management and anyone who says otherwise is living in a dreamland.
No lags and slowdowns is just blatantly not true as your messaging app and phone app will frequently take up to two seconds to load if you are using any Samsung ROM.
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True that.
I have no idea what is stored for 500-600Mb ram if not the important things like Phone, Msg and Launcher.
Useless stuff.
It is just marketing and business politics, Samsung knew that 1GB is not at all future proof but that is exactly what they need so they can sell the Note 2 and the i9305.
And still they sold over 30M i9300 devices.
eggman89 said:
True that.
I have no idea what is stored for 500-600Mb ram if not the important things like Phone, Msg and Launcher.
Useless stuff.
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Man, Android loads that stuff itself based on usage, OOM settings and Minfree values. The other stuff is services that need to run full time so that Kies sync, Location and other Samsung bloat that is really not doing anything most of the time.
Ya I know.
I wonder how can the most important thing, launcher, has an OOM of 6.
Stupid really.
Is it a fault of Android or Samsung messed it up.
In all the galaxy nexus videos I've never seen launcher redraws.
So maybe Samsung messed up for whatever reason.
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"Free ram is wasted ram"
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that remark has been misused greatly by people that can't code for ass and fail at memory optimisation.
It was originally in reference to the Superfetch feature in Vista/7 storing frequently accessed data in ram for faster application startup. It wasn't meant to be applied to applications that use huge amounts of memory for no good reason.
much of Androids poor memory management is Java related, who knows, maybe Google will get a clue and dump the Dalvik VM eventually for a native operating system.
Use aokp or cm 10
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Diaze said:
Use aokp or cm 10
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For many of us, camera is an important thing.
aakarani said:
Disable all the Bloatware or freeze it using link2sd.
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Is it in the app store ?
Is there any way to freeze samsung permanently without root ?
does link2sd need root to work ?
is advance task killer enough to kill all samsung bloatware ?
Kojaes said:
Is it in the app store ?
Is there any way to freeze samsung permanently without root ?
does link2sd need root to work ?
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1) Yes.
2) Yes. You can go to "manage apps", select the applications. There will be an option called "Disable". No need for any app.
3) See above
Good night to all. I have the stock unbranded rom for Argentina v4.4.2 and I am very disappointed with it performance. I use one app to clean ram and liberate the ram used by app in background that I am not using. The problem is that I have 900 mb unused ram and the phone has lag... When I open an app I have lag, when type on keyboard I have lag, etc. Several times and really, it's very angry for me . Any solution? Some files must be to erase? Maybe I didn't the full wipe correctly when I had installed the new rom.. Really, I don't know...
Thanks in advance!
Did you try a factory reset? You can also root the device and uninstall bloatware. I like using "System App Remover" for this purpose. Flashing a custom rom would be my recommendation, but if you want to stick with the stock rom, I would say you should just get rid everything you don't need and see if that helps.
First of all stop using those ram clean apps. They do more harm then good. It doesn't matter how much ram unused ram you have left. Android takes care of it. It isn't Windows where it matters.
It can be multiple things. The first thing you could try is to do a factory reset and/or try a different rom.
Lennyz1988 said:
First of all stop using those ram clean apps. They do more harm then good. It doesn't matter how much ram unused ram you have left. Android takes care of it. It isn't Windows where it matters.
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I've heard this argument a million times now, but I don't buy it. Android does a terrible job of managing ram on its own. I've always had hugely improved performance once I started manually controlling running processes.
soldier9599 said:
I've heard this argument a million times now, but I don't buy it. Android does a terrible job of managing ram on its own. I've always had hugely improved performance once I started manually controlling running processes.
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+1 with @Lennyz1988
Ram cleaning apps damage the phone than helping it much.
Be done with the bloat and the unnecessary stuff that we linger on with and I bet you wont need a ram cleaning app.
Since the day I am on CM, I dont remember when I last used the ram manager.
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DeepankarS said:
+1 with @Lennyz1988
Ram cleaning apps damage the phone than helping it much.
Be done with the bloat and the unnecessary stuff that we linger on with and I bet you wont need a ram cleaning app.
Since the day I am on CM, I dont remember when I last used the ram manager.
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Despite all the people who make this claim, I'm yet to hear a single convincing argument as to how these apps actually damage the phone. I don't have bloat because I have exclusively used AOSP based ROMs for years. I don't have a single app on my devices that I don't use regularly.
You're advocating great practice by suggesting to avoid software bloat before trying to clean out RAM, but step one isn't always enough. On my GS4 I have no need for a RAM cleaning app because it just barely has sufficient RAM to handle what I use it for. Occasionally, I kill applications individually through the Android system, but it's nothing too crazy so I don't need something to handle multiple app terminations simultaneously.
Newer software keeps needing more and more RAM, and older devices have difficulty providing what is demanded. I have the lightest possible ROM I could find for my tf101, but the fact is it simply becomes unresponsive when I am multitasking unless I regularly clear out the memory. 1GB of RAM is too much of a limiting factor. We could avoid this whole problem if manufacturers focused on providing sufficient memory rather than pointlessly high resolution displays and overpowered CPUs and GPUs. Until then, we will continue to see the effects of Android's terrible memory management. It leaves tons of things running when there is no use for them. RAM cleaning apps free you from that disaster by allowing you to create rules for sets of applications rather than having Android refusing to terminate processes that should not be running.
Thanks to all! It's obvious that to use cleaners app add one more process running and take off free ram. This problem take a long time already and I must say that I had tried a lot of roms, official and customized.. The problem is the same. It's like with the across the time add specific files to the system storage and it's not deleted when I make a factory reset.. I have not idea to do to clean this problem.. It's frustrated right now because I have 2 Gb of ram and it doesn't seems enough..
Tomorrow I will a new factory reset to prove if the performance increase..
Thanks!
luchos297 said:
Thanks to all! It's obvious that to use cleaners app add one more process running and take off free ram. This problem take a long time already and I must say that I had tried a lot of roms, official and customized.. The problem is the same. It's like with the across the time add specific files to the system storage and it's not deleted when I make a factory reset.. I have not idea to do to clean this problem.. It's frustrated right now because I have 2 Gb of ram and it doesn't seems enough..
Tomorrow I will a new factory reset to prove if the performance increase..
Thanks!
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IMHO it is a hardware fault. If nothing has helped, go to the samsung care and act like a child who knows nothing if they ask you about something
Trust me, it wont help.
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