I was looking around and found the Google plans to release Jelly Bean (5.0) in November of this year! So my question is, will the Cyangen(Mod) developers make this available for our Epic 4g. And also what new features will it feature? There's a rumor we will have an official personal assistant in the OS.
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Give it some time
Don't be so impatient
We'll know eventually
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I am patient, just wanted to know if anyone had a leak
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Can you provide the site or doc you got this from
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2348z said:
I am patient, just wanted to know if anyone had a leak
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A Leak? Google hasn't even said anything publicly about it yet and your asking for a leak? lol. ICS barely handles on our phone, are phones have 360Mb of Ram after everything said and done but ICS requires 400Mb so were sliding along. Jelly Bean unless its less aggressive but doesn't require as much RAM as ICS, we wont be able to run it. Your talking about extremely new technology and software trying to handle the latest and greatest on older tech.
Put in terms of Trying to Run Win7 (PC) with only 256Mb of Ram, and 1.2GHz Single Core Processor Never going to happen lol.
Wouldnt you have upgraded to a new phone by November anyway? Maybe not but the majority of us will and i dont cyanogenmod would support a phone that would be nearly dead by the time of jelly bean. Our phones are lucky enough to run ICS.
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I have 383MB of RAM. But I agree that ICS itself should be more than enough to hold everyone over till upgrade time.
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Zeinzu said:
I have 383MB of RAM. But I agree that ICS itself should be more than enough to hold everyone over till upgrade time.
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if you go into TW task manager and look at ram it should say whatever amount your using and be exactly 359Mb im on Ginger Bread so im not exactly sure ICS is the same but how could you possibly have more? lol.
But if and ever Jelly Bean were to successfully be ported to this phone then it will hold up to its name be "EPIC"! The way i see it if the Samsung galaxy 3 or 5 can have ICS and run it most likely than this phone should handle more you'd think? it would be the only phone that would say it had 5 major OS Updates haha and kept alive even when considered old Tech.
ICS was just released...why would it be leaked? I don't think that kinda stuff gets leaked anyway.
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Flash cm9, go into manage apps, running, do the math for yourself.
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Flash cm9, go into manage apps, running, do the math for yourself.
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Don't forget that the stock b0 cm9 kernel freed up an extra 36 mb of ram.
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ICS is barely chugging along on our phones. You would be sacrificing serious usability if the jelly bean was ported. ICS runs smooth, most of the time, but its clear that the epic is right on the edge.
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Jelly Bean and Cyanogenmod
I believe that once Jelly Bean gets dropped, if Cyanogen supports it there is a possibility we could get it. I had the original G1 running Cyanogen6 on it and that was long after the official updates stopped from Google/TMo. I mean if they can get Froyo on a device that stopped getting updates at Doughnut, I believe they can get some Jelly on a Gingerbread. This is just an opinion though. Either way I am fine with my ICS on my Epic.
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I am patient, just wanted to know if anyone had a leak
I won't even bother reading what others have said about this statement. Your asking about a leak when you yourself stated this MAY be released in November. You sir, are an idiot.
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I believe he's asking for a leak of data.
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I believe he's asking for a leak of data.
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That's what I thought he meant too. As in leaked info about Jelly Bean in general.
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Don't forget that the stock b0 cm9 kernel freed up an extra 36 mb of ram.
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If you wanna get technical that's the RAM left on the build. The device itself physically has 512MB of RAM doesn't it? The extra 36MB didn't magically appear out of thin air, it had to already physically be there to begin with.
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The device itself physically has 512MB of RAM doesn't it?
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That was my thought. Is there a place where I can see a breakdown of the full 512mb?
Reason I ask, is under menu > manage apps> All, it lists 184mb used and 493mb free, and unless my math has gone screwy, that adds to 677mb which is more than 512mb
Also, under menu > system settings> storage, under apps, it shows total of 676mb, with 180mb used.
What gives??? Is this all due to the file system conversion to MTD?
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That was my thought. Is there a place where I can see a breakdown of the full 512mb?
Reason I ask, is under menu > manage apps> All, it lists 184mb used and 493mb free, and unless my math has gone screwy, that adds to 677mb which is more than 512mb
Also, under menu > system settings> storage, under apps, it shows total of 676mb, with 180mb used.
What gives??? Is this all due to the file system conversion to MTD?
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I believe it that is storage space not RAM. Our phones are supposed to have 512 mb of ram. I am not 100 percent sure where you would find that actual break down though.
edit: the 676 megabytes under storage is the data partition. This is how much space you have to store apps on your internal storage. My guess is you would have to get some kind of ram manager in order to see the actual memory allocation.
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That was my thought. Is there a place where I can see a breakdown of the full 512mb?
Reason I ask, is under menu > manage apps> All, it lists 184mb used and 493mb free, and unless my math has gone screwy, that adds to 677mb which is more than 512mb
Also, under menu > system settings> storage, under apps, it shows total of 676mb, with 180mb used.
What gives??? Is this all due to the file system conversion to MTD?
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Those two parts are both listing internal storage space.
MTD conversion resized the partitions so storage has ~677MB.
Back to RAM.
There is 512MB total. On stock Epic drivers and kernel configs, ~165MB is dedicated to system space(kernel/driver/phone os) leaving ~347MB to user space (app memory).
Our cm devs have found out how to free up 36MB from the system by merging Nexus S drivers and sacrificing 1080p video playback (kinda overkill on a 800x480 screen anyway)
And tweaking some jpeg lib for another 1.9MB.
So right now we have ~384MB available in ICS.
And its still possible (AFAIK) to free up another ~32MB with the move to 3.0.x kernel (further merging with Nexus S base).
I think the 400MB(user space) requirement is for reaching the intended performance for ICS multi tasking.
I might not be 100% correct though.
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I know its supposed to have 512mb.
But the app manager program I'm using shows 326.
I'm not complaining, phone is plenty fast but I'm Rom crazy and I'm just making sure I didn't mess something up.
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Trev420 said:
I know its supposed to have 512mb.
But the app manager program I'm using shows 326.
I'm not complaining, phone is plenty fast but I'm Rom crazy and I'm just making sure I didn't mess something up.
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I believe the rest is dedicated to the software and free is 326. I could be wrong ..
I read somewhere that only Froyo can utilize 512 and up.
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I read somewhere that only Froyo can utilize 512 and up.
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This
The current .29 kernel has a memory limitation.
Froyo comes with .32 "himem" kernel so when we get froyo you utilize all your ram
i am showing 1.16GB available for application storage.. it this the same?
ROM and RAM are different. When people speak of memory its generally referring to RAM. ROM is the storage space used for apps.
JIT and the .32 kernel would be so nice on this phone.
So does this mean we are not using all the RAM available on the phone!? That's stupid!
I agree.
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So does this mean we are not using all the RAM available on the phone!? That's stupid!
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Unless u run android 2.2, you will not use max 512MB ram capacity. If u installed lag fix, u can use 326MB out of 512MB. Without lagfix, u can only use 256MB out of 512MB!
There is only a bit over 300 mb app ram. The rest is graphivs ram. You won't see 512 ram in froyo because normal apps can't use the graphics memory. Laughable considering the sad shape which is gaming on android.
But hey, you got sims 3!
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Does froyo recognize the full 512mb of ram, if so does this lend itself to better performance
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no
it recognizes 340 something or 380 something
What's that other space used for? Why isn't it available?
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In the leaked tmo froyo there is 304 available. The rest of it I believe is used for video/graphic procesing and other core processes.
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Does froyo recognize the full 512mb of ram, if so does this lend itself to better performance
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Not the whole 512 but I'm using Eugenes Unofficial TMO 2.2 Froyo and it is a good amount faster, especially browsing.
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In the leaked tmo froyo there is 304 available. The rest of it I believe is used for video/graphic procesing and other core processes.
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+1, there are dedicated allocation of ram to certain system needs whether there running or not.
Friends don't let friends flash drunk...
I read that Fire will have a stripped/modified version of android. Would the devs eventually be able to load the full version of android on to fire? Right now I'm paranoid by the possibility of having limited usage due to the modified version of android.
Its got the Amazon interface, but it will be running over 2.3
Plus, amazon has said they will not stand in the way of rooting the device, so its very likely that within a month or so some ROMS will be out for it.
Speculators say that the specs have potential for Android 3.0
512MB of RAM = kinda sucks.
Same as in ipad 2
Samsung Galaxy S Dos indeed
Honestly. I'm more worried about ice cream sandwich than honeycomb.
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Same as in ipad 2
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Completely different OS with a significantly different style of memory management. Apples and oranges.
Yeah but 512MB certainly isn't lacking, especially considering it's a device that's under $200. It would've been hard to put in any more and keep it at that price point. Also ICS is supposed to be pretty memory efficient.
Once its able to be rooted and loaded with custom roms I'm buying three. One for me and one for each of my kids. IM getting an Htc Flyer for the wifey.
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A little caution here might be in order. The android devs are a wickedly creative crew BUT...until the AF is rooted (consistently) I would NOT presume it can or even will be!
Note how the Transformers were rootable up to the later B70 models. Then after that....nada so far. It's all about the SDK, bootloader, etc.
Wait and see if the AF can be rooted is all I say.
EDIT: Disregard.
i hope it has full android
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i hope it has full android
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No its a heavily modiefied 2.3 android. And putting full android ob there will break the cloud storage one has, and 6gb is not enough to have all the apps you want.
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No its a heavily modiefied 2.3 android. And putting full android ob there will break the cloud storage one has, and 6gb is not enough to have all the apps you want.
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Unless you only plan to use it as an ereader and for watching movies.
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Snagged from this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1309598
That last bit about being able to work on 2.3 devices snagged from this other thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1309724
I think we're all aware of this as well, but for those that don't read many threads, GB Source for our Epics have been released.
Also, after the unveil of the Samsung Nexus Prime, The 4.0 SDK is also available.
Here is the Roboto Font from ICS.
(Edit: Roboto is available on Custom Font Switcher App)
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Snagged from this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1309598
That last bit about being able to work on 2.3 devices snagged from this other thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1309724
I think we're all aware of this as well, but for those that don't read many threads, GB Source for our Epics have been released.
Also, after the unveil of the Samsung Nexus Prime, The 4.0 SDK is also available.
Here is the Roboto Font from ICS.
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I've had the font for a little bit now it's pretty nice, but all the apps are odexed and there isn't a means to deodex them yet, so we have to wait and see I believe.
Yeah, I saw that you posted, I installed soon after, very easy on the eyes. I'm excited for ICS even though we just got GB source. I'm thinking maybe Google's ICS framework is what's needed for that sexy contacts or as they say, "people app", but I want that on my epic.
Yeah, I'm trying to take images from the ICS keyboard and move them to the Gingerbread keyboard. I replaced all the files....and yet, it still shows Gingerbread images. D:
But the font makes it more enjoyable.
Thanks Shiny, now that GB source just hit, you would think all the Debbie Downers would shut the hell up but now I am already seeing threads as to when will we get ICS. And this adds fuel to their fire....LOL.
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Thanks Shiny, now that GB source just hit, you would think all the Debbie Downers would shut the hell up but now I am already seeing threads as to when will we get ICS. And this adds fuel to their fire....LOL.
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LOL some ppl will just never be satisfied
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While it would be great, I highly doubt the Epic will ever see official ICS
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While it would be great, I highly doubt the Epic will ever see official ICS
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But will probably get a ported version...just as good, sometimes better.
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But will probably get a ported version...just as good, sometimes better.
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Yep. Just the fact that ics doesn't require a newer kernel is good. (I think)
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Yep. Just the fact that ics doesn't require a newer kernel is good. (I think)
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Don't know if that is what they meant by it should be capable on 2.3 devices. More that the hardware will be able to handle ICS if it could handle Gingerbread. This would not be the first time though that a phone runs a newer version of android with a modified older kernal.
I'm still on bml because its more reliable and every thing works the way it's supposed to. I tried the cm7 rom and I lasted about 2 days and quickly realized that it was very limited in flexibility and function.
Granted, it was very smooth. I know it's the future but its still very beta. Just read all the mtd threads, and you'll see how some basic things are buggy or not working.
I'm a little disappointed that some of the devs are abandoning all ei22 bml support. Especially since official gingerbread isn't even fully mature yet.
I am happy that at least TW will be supported in MTD, that's a major plus for me.
What are your thoughts?
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I totally agree with you on this. I am trying to keep up on the MTD TW threads to see where the future is going but will remain probably on Legendary 2.1 with Shadowkernel for the immediate future because my phone is so freaking awesome right now!
As soon as Bbelos puts up 1.04 you guys should grab it! It will be phenomenal! All the speed you are used to and great voodoo color defaults (most will not need voodoo control app).
Well I happen to be the one that always says you'll come back. I have since moved to cm7 because earthbound put out the cm7 kernel I missed the first time I moved. I do have a few bugs I'm dealing with atm but nothing to hard to workaround. To be honest I don't see much improvment from mtd to bml or than the space and file system. As of now its just not too different however once the devs start to tear it apart and see how stuff works is when things will start to pick up. However they must be getting somewhere since there has been multiple updates on cm7 since to mtd move compared to bml.
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Mtd is awesome!!!!!!!
Im running tortel1210's TWMTD rom and its amazing with Samurai3.3.1MTD and Ii really can see somewhat of a difference. On BML my phone was not able to run certain programs like chainfire correctly. Games like Trainz,SHADOWGUN, and GTA 3 would not play. After switching to MTD these games run smooth as ever and I have seen change in the behavior of many apps I have downloaded. MTD in my opinion will save the Epic from discontinuation of development on it. Mabye ports like working sense can finally be achieved from this new propietary system
Imho mtd is waay more reliable. I haven't got any of the dreaded gingerbread corruption.
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Imho mtd is waay more reliable. I haven't got any of the dreaded gingerbread corruption.
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I haven't had any problems with Gingerbread on BML. I always make sure journaling is enabled.
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I haven't had any problems with Gingerbread on BML. I always make sure journaling is enabled.
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Bml/rfs is fine. Bml/ext4 sucks (even if journaling is enabled). Mtd/yaffs2 FTW!!
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Im running tortel1210's TWMTD rom and its amazing with Samurai3.3.1MTD and Ii really can see somewhat of a difference. On BML my phone was not able to run certain programs like chainfire correctly. Games like Trainz,SHADOWGUN, and GTA 3 would not play. After switching to MTD these games run smooth as ever and I have seen change in the behavior of many apps I have downloaded. MTD in my opinion will save the Epic from discontinuation of development on it. Mabye ports like working sense can finally be achieved from this new propietary system
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Chainfire works fine for me on bml/rfs. I've been playing Shadowgun and Deadspace all afternoon.
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Bml/rfs is fine. Bml/ext4 sucks (even if journaling is enabled). Mtd/yaffs2 FTW!!
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Wow! Don't sugar coat it Xopher...how do you really feel? LOL. A lot of people said that about EXT4 vs. RFS but there are still those that prefer RFS. I am not ready for the MTD jump yet but may check it out in the months to come.
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I love MTD. Between CM7, marcusant V2 and the Stock MTD ROM, I see no reason to switch back to BML.
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Wow! Don't sugar coat it Xopher...how do you really feel? LOL. A lot of people said that about EXT4 vs. RFS but there are still those that prefer RFS. I am not ready for the MTD jump yet but may check it out in the months to come.
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You should just take the jump once Earthbound comes out with his updated cm kernel so far cm7 has been everything I wanted it to be. Much faster game wise than two I don't quite understand it but its amazingly fast. Try it at least. I have yet to regret it.
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You should just take the jump once Earthbound comes out with his updated cm kernel so far cm7 has been everything I wanted it to be. Much faster game wise than two I don't quite understand it but its amazingly fast. Try it at least. I have yet to regret it.
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Can't. I use 4G a lot.
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Awe 4g too bad alright stay where your at mtd tw is the same as bml tw. Cm is a whole nother beast.
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Awe 4g too bad alright stay where your at mtd tw is the same as bml tw. Cm is a whole nother beast.
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I am hoping that we will see CM9 and LTE working together in the summer on the new phones.
Merry Christmas B!
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I am hoping that we will see CM9 and LTE working together in the summer on the new phones.
Merry Christmas B!
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That's what I'm waiting for too. No 4g is the deal breaker for me to.
My 4g service is awesome in my area, no rom can be so good that I would sacrifice my 4g for it.
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I am hoping that we will see CM9 and LTE working together in the summer on the new phones.
Merry Christmas B!
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Yessir, it's going to be Epic.
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thomasskull666 said:
Yessir, it's going to be Epic.
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So .... you holding out on us again ? Got sum inside info to share ? LOL !
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So .... you holding out on us again ? Got sum inside info to share ? LOL !
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Heh I wish, I did see something about a quad core HTC phone that I'm *hoping* is on Sprint.
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I've been running MarcusantRom on mtd since he released it, and it is great! I have had no problems on v2. I like the room that my internal memory now had. I always had "low memory" messages on bml roms.
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Heh I wish, I did see something about a quad core HTC phone that I'm *hoping* is on Sprint.
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I WANT IT! I read somewhere that the Galaxy S III will be quadcore. I wonder when it is coming out
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seanknighton said:
I wonder when it is coming out
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In due time.
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