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ROM Manager - Where's the beef?

So I decided to buy ROM Manager to support the project but have to admit I was a little disappointed. Sadly I prefer the candy coating of Sense to that of CM. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot to like in CM too. I just tend to like the polish of Sense. Regardless, I had thought I might have direct access to many of the ROMs I've seen throughout the forums. Apparently that's not the case. Does ROM Manager only support CM ROMs?
No worries. I know I could get a refund for the App and return it but I'm cool with it. Maybe in the future more ROMs will become available for it for the Incredible.

Rom Manager supports virtually any rom, it's just a matter of the author setting up his server to work with Rom Manager AFAIK. More will be added eventually.

The chefs have to opt in to be included in ROM manager. Moto Droid had tons of stuff to choose from and I loved it. I have yet to see anything interesting in ROM Manager for the Incredible. Urge your favorite chefs to participate!

Ok, thanks guys. Hopefully things will get more active in the future then.

ROM Manager will gain more roms in due time, there isn't really alot of roms out for the inc as it is now. Also like mentioned its up to the rom devs to put them on there. They will come.
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I used to be a fan of Sense, but the fact of the matter is that it's bloated.
There are plenty of alternatives in a ROM like CM for all of the Sense features you'd miss.

Also u can download any ROM and use ROM Manager to install it. Just download rom go into rom manager and choose install from SD. Imho its easier than booting into recovery and installing. So, i. A sense it does support everything else. Its also ez to manage and restore ur backups through ROM manager. Once u use it for a while and figure it out it can b a very handy tool if u are addicted to flashing ROMS. Goodluck i hope this can b of assistance to u
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Yeah the developer of ROM Manager strongly encourages all devs to submit their ROMs... Other phones such as the Moto Droid have a much larger selection... As ROM development gets further along, there will be more on ROM Manager for Incredible as well.

I think the incredible has been hurt by the lack of phones available. I don't recall the original moto droid having inventory issues like the incredible. I think this has hindered rom development and availability of different roms. Imagine if we did not have months of no incredible phones available. The popularity of the incredible might be different, thus in my mind making the demand and supply of roms more available.
I am a big fan of Cyanogen's roms so not that big of a deal for me. I know that once the drivers are released the camera will be fixed. I am wondering if we will be able to have video out with cyan's roms?
Either way - rom manager is a great program and has a lot of different functionalities and uses. Some listed below:
flashing other roms (duh)
nandroid
partition sd card
fix permissions
Let's hope that HTC releases the drivers soon

m1k3- said:
I used to be a fan of Sense, but the fact of the matter is that it's bloated.
There are plenty of alternatives in a ROM like CM for all of the Sense features you'd miss.
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No there isnt ... there are a few similar apps that just dont quite do it and there are others that are such crapware you would be embarrassed to show your phone to anyone. Seriously when i went with a vanilla UI and tried to find alternatives to Sense widgets and apps, I found out just how crappy the apps were on this OS.

fader01 said:
No there isnt ... there are a few similar apps that just dont quite do it and there are others that are such crapware you would be embarrassed to show your phone to anyone. Seriously when i went with a vanilla UI and tried to find alternatives to Sense widgets and apps, I found out just how crappy the apps were on this OS.
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Well I'll have to half agree with you there, there are some Sense widgets that I could never find replacements for. It's really a trade off, although it would be nice if we could somehow extract some of those to be used with a 3rd party or even stock launcher

Looks like SkyRaider was added to ROM Manager

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Looks like SkyRaider was added to ROM Manager
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LOL! I'd like to think I may have had something to do with that. I PM'd him earlier and in short time he replied letting me know he was going to add it. Maybe he was going to do it anyway, I don't know.
Regardless, it GREAT that other cookers are starting to get in on the action. I think more people will end up trying their ROMs too. It's a win - win for everyone.

BossMafia2 said:
Well I'll have to half agree with you there, there are some Sense widgets that I could never find replacements for. It's really a trade off, although it would be nice if we could somehow extract some of those to be used with a 3rd party or even stock launcher
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Launcher Pro is going to support that.
Sounds interesting, but it'd be nice if your battery lasts longer than 20 minutes on a full charge, unlike when you're running Sense.

Btw camera is working on cm6 for the inc supposedly. So maybe the dev of skyraider can implement the fix some how.
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Btw camera is working on cm6 for the inc supposedly. So maybe the dev of skyraider can implement the fix some how.
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Where did you hear that the camera is working for cm 6?
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Twitter
CM6 Inc test 8 is on ROM Manager now (under the Koush section). Camera works, camcorder still broken.
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Btw camera is working on cm6 for the inc supposedly. So maybe the dev of skyraider can implement the fix some how.
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I think I saw something posted in ROM Manager in the Sky Raider area to fix this. Don't know the specifics or if the video is working. I plan on installing the ROM when I get some free time later.

Video ROM Overviews

I was thinking of putting together some quick video previews of the major custom ROMs floating around. Any requests as to which ones you'd like to see or think would be good to demo? It will mostly be a quick look at what each system looks like after a fresh flash, UI, menus, features of each ROM, what have you. Any input greatly appreciated!

I like this idea. Personally, I'd like too see UI overviews, a breakdown of what's been added removed, and a benchmark of some sort. (Yeah, I know, basically everything you mentioned).
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the new DC rom plz

That's a great idea as I have no idea on which one to use.
Can't wait to see your video.
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I like this idea...
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Dash from SPJ does a lot of ROM reviews for the EVO as well as the HTC Touch I think.
http://www.youtube.com/user/iamdasht19

um... all the ROMs do basically the same and almost all of them are on the stock rosie. You can see what's different in each ROM just by reading the ROMs initial thread.
this would be a waste of time

SilverZero said:
I was thinking of putting together some quick video previews of the major custom ROMs floating around. Any requests as to which ones you'd like to see or think would be good to demo? It will mostly be a quick look at what each system looks like after a fresh flash, UI, menus, features of each ROM, what have you. Any input greatly appreciated!
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That would be awesome! I like the idea
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CyanogenMod to show everyone how much it destroys the others!

infamousjax said:
um... all the ROMs do basically the same and almost all of them are on the stock rosie. You can see what's different in each ROM just by reading the ROMs initial thread.
this would be a waste of time
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I disagree. I'm new to the evo, and to android in general. The custom rom threads frequently seem to assume you are already familiar with the rom. I've seen a lot of changelogs, that explain what is new since the last version, but that doesn't help if I've never run the previous version.
I'm currently running fresh, mostly because I had no idea which one to pick. It's been working great, so I'm in no hurry to switch, but I am wondering what I might be missing with another rom.
I think this is a great idea. With the recent news about record android sales, there will be a lot of folks coming to the evo without previous android experience. This series of videos will help them a lot.
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Then I'll get started today! First on the block will be stock, Fresh 3, and CM6.
Infamousjax, you don't have to watch them.

Me neither....good newbie thread tho

Good idea, as a newbie ill definitely watch. Is bugless beast going to to be featured?

If you request it, I'll flash it.

spoolin347 said:
Good idea, as a newbie ill definitely watch. Is bugless beast going to to be featured?
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That ROM hasn't been updated in forever (There isn't even a 2.2 port or anything).

I think bugless gave up on the evo due to ungreatful users

Hungry Hungry Hippppppo!

SPB Shell 3D - Wow!

http://www.androidcentral.com/spb-shell-3d-android-very-slick-launcher-thats-just-too-expensive
So, I bought lol
It's AMAZING. Very smooth, great transitions, and 9 full homescreens! You can even put more than 9 on if you want to, lol
I'm on Warm 2.2 now, but this is so good that, as a Sense fan (Sense was the reason I bought this phone), this is seriously pushing me to a Gingerbread ROM like CM7. Give it a try!
PS- I am in no way connected to the developer(s) of this software. I just love it

i installed it on my OG droid but it is just a black screen....no luck

Ouch, 15 bones.....looks neat, but not for that much $$. Going to stick with LPro until this puppy comes down in price.

RussianMenace said:
Ouch, 15 bones.....looks neat, but not for that much $$. Going to stick with LPro until this puppy comes down in price.
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My thoughts exactly. I'd love to try this, but not for that much coin.
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I did see in the comments on the link that someone posted a link to the apk... not gonna advertise for warez but if you want to try it out i you *could* try it from that and if you like it buy it... I bought right after I saw the video, so I can't even confirm that it works

Something that concerned me when watching the video is that this launcher looks like a lot of flash and bling, but maybe lacking on some other areas of basic functionality. From reading the comments (in the original link) of people who have used it, there seems to be confirmation of my fears.
People are complaining about lacking certain basic features like widget resizing... or this:
Not to mention the fact that you can't arrange icons and widgets the way you want to. If you want anything on the bottom row, the top 3 rows have to be full
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I'm not sure I fully understand that statement, but in general it sounds like this launcher is optimized to show off its own animations/widgets.
I don't want to pay $15 for this, nor do I want to download warez. So for now, that means I can only judge based on videos and comments. From my impressions though, it looks like switching over would cripple a number of functions that I find very useful in other launchers. In return, I would get some admittedly cool animations, and some visually interesting UI changes, but I don't see any functional enhancements that really interest me.
At the end of the day, I'm very much a "form follows function" kind of guy, so I suspect this just isn't the launcher for me. I'm sure it will be great for many other people though.

I their version for winmo, it was nice, but not for me. Im like the last guy, i like fuction looks. The whole thing with different launchers is to configure what you like. Maybe im just s simple guy, but this launcher looks like something kids will enjoy, i prefer the smart, in smartphone.
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How'd u get it run with the incredible? Wont work with Mine
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bigsapz said:
How'd u get it run with the incredible? Wont work with Mine
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I just installed it, and it worked fine
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bigsapz said:
How'd u get it run with the incredible? Wont work with Mine
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Doesn't work with some ROMs
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Doesn't work on GingerBread?

played with that earlier mentioned version (cough *warez* touchy subject) a little bit (only lets you run it if you turn mobile data off so it is pointless) and it was cool.
a lot of 'wow' factors that look good but it isn't very functional. launcherpro+ blows it out of the water as far as quick and easy getting to apps & widgets.

I got the spb shell 3d today and omg i am amazed at how smooth it runs and how it barely waists battery. i hated that i couldn't put apps wherever i wanted but then i downloaded desktop visualizer and customized it however i wanted.
btw i have an evo 4g and i am running cm7 nightly #41 gingerbread with savaged-zen 1.0.1 bfs nosbc kernel. (AMAZING!!!!!) ^_^

POQbum said:
Doesn't work on GingerBread?
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im using it on gingerbread... it doesn't work for you?

I am trying to decide between this and regina 3d launcher can anyone point me in the right direction?

Right now I'm on Regina because SPB doesn't work on cm7 for me. I prefer SPB though
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JoelZ9614 said:
I am trying to decide between this and regina 3d launcher can anyone point me in the right direction?
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use spb i used regina and spb and spb is ftw!!!

CyanogenMod vs MIUI

Why is Cyanogen the most widely discussed/used rom rather than MIUI? I just tried MIUI for the first time yesterday and im pretty impressed in about every way. It comes with an integrated way to customize every part of the rom, with lots of options. It comes with a firewall and a task killer, even if you probably dont need them. You can change the effect when moving between home screens. Customize the toggles in the status bar. It comes with a built in blacklist. Even the settings are more extensive. I mean the music app even find the lyrics to the song your listening to!
Is it just because it looks like the iphone, so you disregard it even though it has more features integrated more seamlessly?

Why?
CyanogenMod is supported on more devices thanks to a large dev team, faster (Android version) update pace & its a generally clean ROM with great codec support & other little tweaks that make a big difference. It has been around longer.
MIUI is a unique rom made by a great team of devs in China. It offers a great set of feature & a new experience. It requires a little more outside help (as far as U.S. users go) to get it going on other devices, not to mention the translation changes & hardware support. Hasn't been around as long.
Its not really a matter of it reminds me of ___, better than, as good or it does __ ___ __. That Cyanogen gets more viral commentary .vs any ROM.

MIUI is closed source. CyanogenMod is open source. Thats reason enough for a lot more discussion in here.
Besides... MIUI incorporated some good stuff from iPhone, but also some really crap things , like removing the app drawer. IMO

Also, where the hell is 4G? They've had it "in the works" for months and nothing. When they actually make it a fully-functioning EVO rom that makes use of the hardware I paid for, then I'll switch back to MIUI.

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Also, where the hell is 4G?
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MIUI is closed source...
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lombas said:
MIUI incorporated some good stuff from iPhone, but also some really crap things , like removing the app drawer. IMO
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I echo these same sentiments as the same reason why I haven't fully adopted MIUI. Beautiful launcher and Core apps is really how I think about it (and IMHO a little too iOS).

Cyanogen is Awesome, but MIUI is a dream. To me aleast, don't have no 4g in San Diego so who cares. I put all my app's in a folder and named it "app drawer" as for closed source, oh well. I'm not a developer by a long shot, so I don't care. It's all about preference and mine is MIUI. I'm hooked like a bad drug.
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popper668 said:
Cyanogen is Awesome, but MIUI is a dream. To me aleast, don't have no 4g in San Diego so who cares. I put all my app's in a folder and named it "app drawer" as for closed source, oh well. I'm not a developer by a long shot, so I don't care. It's all about preference and mine is MIUI. I'm hooked like a bad drug.
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Use Alt Drawer for your app drawer. I use it with ADW EX, even though there's already an app drawer. I'm running MIUI, but missed ADW so I switched back. It's really good and fits well with MIUI. Find an app drawer icon that you like and put it into your theme mtz with the package name for Alt Drawer & put it on your dock. Or do what I do and use an app like Button Shortcut to open it when you long-press the search button.
If you don't know how to change the icon, pm me and I'll do it for you. It's actually a bit faster & easier to do it than it is to explain it.
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I've tried MIUI twice, but I just can't stand it. Too much like iOS and I dislike the home screens.
I prefer my android to look like android, especially aosp.

Fadakar said:
Also, where the hell is 4G? They've had it "in the works" for months and nothing. When they actually make it a fully-functioning EVO rom that makes use of the hardware I paid for, then I'll switch back to MIUI.
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That has been answered 10,000 times. There will NEVER be 4G for MIUI unless the Chinese get 4G in Shanghai or they release the source code. If a tlittle bit of a faster data connection is enough to keep you away from the most innovative ROM out there, then buh bye.... Trust me, no one using MIUI will miss you
Also, other than no App drawer, MIUI is nothing like Iphone. I'm sick of that comparison, too.
Considering a large number of users use LPP, ADW EX and GO, not many are missing an app drawer, anyhow.

^Agree with Hipkat, MIUI is not to be compared to IOS. Only thing tht is happening to it is the 4G and that is subject to the chinese opening their source. As far as everything else, I had MIUI and is eye candy. One of the best made for androids phones.

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Considering a large number of users use LPP, ADW EX and GO, not many are missing an app drawer, anyhow.
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Folders FTW!

The question shouldn't be "which is better" but rather which fits you best. Both roms are excellent but one might keep you away from other due to the way it operates. Cm has tons of extras including adw launcher, 4G, etc which makes it the way it is.
While miui has the "iphone" look (yes it looks like iPhone so get it over it) and has that awesome customization market that let's you change almost anything on the phone.
I personally don't use either due to the fact that both have some kinks to work out but that doesn't stop me from trying both out every now and then
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Nick N said:
Folders FTW!
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Yah! Folders, FTW!!

Hey Nick where did u get that background
HTC EVO 4G

App drawer is a matter of preference. I'd rather organize my apps in different home screens or folders rather than be lumped into one massive list and hunt thru them. I have no idea why the app drawer is considered a great feature.
And if you really want it, there's an app on XDA which will do it.
In everything else, MIUI is leagues beyond other rom's. Contacts, dialer, sms, backup, theming, notifications, monitoring - all of these are best in class, and to even get close you have to get a bunch of extra apps in other rom's.
It may be inspired by iOS but it has more features than iOS or Android, is updated weekly, and runs faster.

Cyanogenmod never really did it for me. Granted I haven't tried it on the Evo 4G yet (used to have a Hero CDMA). All the extra stuff they added just never really grabbed me and the performance just never seemed as good as pure AOSP.
I really love MIUI. It's super fast and being able to customize everything really is nice. Plus since I'm an update junkie I love that there's new stuff every week.
I'm in Reno, NV, so there's no 4G so I don't really care about that. As for the app drawer, I don't see what the big deal is. Once I have the apps I use on my home screens I hardly every go into the app drawer.
I don't think one is better than another it just really comes down to preference.

I love them both and bounce between both. They both are great rom's based off a great os, so really do you have to pick? Just enjoy the freedom of being able to have a choice and not stuck with what your given... just my two cents...
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larry2513 said:
I love them both and bounce between both. They both are great rom's based off a great os, so really do you have to pick? Just enjoy the freedom of being able to have a choice and not stuck with what your given... just my two cents...
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I use both, usually get board about every other week and flash.

slimno19 said:
Hey Nick where did u get that background
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It was deep in the online wallpaper section. I found it while sitting in a meeting.

HipKat said:
That has been answered 10,000 times. There will NEVER be 4G for MIUI unless the Chinese get 4G in Shanghai or they release the source code. If a tlittle bit of a faster data connection is enough to keep you away from the most innovative ROM out there, then buh bye.... Trust me, no one using MIUI will miss you
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4G is my main reason that I haven't tried MIUI.
And in my area, I do get 4G and its significantly faster. There are lots of sprint users where I live, but most of them are on 3G it seems, so bandwidth on 4G is much more available. Now, its not that much faster than 3G if you are in a good unsaturated 3G area, but I am not. The 3G around here is very saturated.
So for me, 4G isn't a little bit faster, its way faster, so don't be quick to judge. If it weren't for lack 4G, I would definitely try it. I don't mind the iPhone inspiration that some others have issues with and I have heard very good things about MIUI, but lack of 4G really is a dealbreaker for me.

Ice Cream Sandwich

Sooooooo conference is over... I can just image what can be done through development on phones now. Now that the SDK is available, hopfully we will see some ICS this month? Im excited!
What are your favorite features? (If you watched the conference)

Without source code we're basically SOL for a daily driver, but SDK ROMs are cool to check out
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The face unlock seems cool but what is your in a dark place like a bar. I hope they have an alternate way to unlocking it in that situation.
The new camera app looks sweet and I love how fast it can snap pictures on the Galaxy Nexus.
Taking out physical buttons was brilliant. Not only does it make the screen bigger but this way you can have what ever buttons you like (fully customizable). Unlike now as I never use the search button on my Dinc.

i Love the idea of the facial recognition, im sure rooted devices could eventually impliment thaf into unlocking apps too.
and when they had the mess up, it looked like it went to the pattern unlock, so i guess thats a back up.
the buttons was also great, much more room for larger screens, but the lack of physical buttons also worries me a bit.
hopefully some nice development will come out of this, so far i think this is the best android version with the most features and ui changes
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Someone will get the SDK on the DInc, Gingerbread was on our device by this time of night last year....they're just lagging behind xD

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Someone will get the SDK on the DInc, Gingerbread was on our device by this time of night last year....they're just lagging behind xD
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BAM!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1309601
Well, I think it's the ICS apps at least...

Can't wait to so CM8/9 to start showing up. Please make it work on the Incredible.(and the RZR too)

Yeah hope we get some ICS roms soon. Since I'm holding out on a Droid 4 or anything with a QWERTY keyboard, that's not that Samsung toy

more info: http://lifehacker.com/5851162/first-look-at-the-highly-polished-android-40-ice-cream-sandwich

If some roms get good enough, i might ditch miui and give it a try. its exciting to see what all has been put into it.
hats off for google!
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Here's my question...
The ICS Google Music app was already leaked a couple weeks ago. Will the other updated apps (like Gmail, for example) be made available to Gingerbread users as well (either via apks or official market update)?

Phillip Fry said:
The face unlock seems cool but what is your in a dark place like a bar.
Without a front facing camera, facial unlocking doesn't seem practical on our device
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I like the new font.

it may not seem practical with our phones, but you could always use the other camera, turn your phone facing you, and hope it recognized you.
the bricked layout is nice, its not as simple as windows phones, but its a great balance between simplicity and advanced customizability.
also i believe some apks in ics will be ported for other android versions too.
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demarcmj said:
Here's my question...
The ICS Google Music app was already leaked a couple weeks ago. Will the other updated apps (like Gmail, for example) be made available to Gingerbread users as well (either via apks or official market update)?
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Yes, most likely through market updates. Although if your willing to try you could attempt to install the apk from the system dump. I might mess something else up though, and even if it didn't I don't think the gmail widget would work.
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Edit: don't try, it won't work unless its Deodexed

I think there were a lot of decent updates but truthfully, my life is run by my calendar and I think that was a great update.. looking forward!