While the 'New iPad''s resolution and display are incredibly impressive, but with the announcements, I noticed that Apple is using the term "Retina Display" (it's term for a display that in some pseudo science way is exactly right for the human eyes) in a different way. That is this new iPad's 'Retina Display" has a completely different ppi (pixels per inch) than the iPhone's Retina Display. Because you look at the iPad from farther away is Apple's rational. (see macworld quote below *)
So Apple now changed (updated?) the definition of their "Retina Display" term to some viewing distance / ppi equation, that they seems to be able to pretend has meaning scientifically (I am a researcher in vision and tech, so I hate to see marketing just crap on science). Can't Apple just stick with size/res at ppi like everyone else. Or maybe science (hence us geeks) should be able to use the term for anything that fits Apple's now new pseudo equation -- Hmm doing the 'math' it looks like the Samsung Galaxy Note would generally fit in the wishy washy definition of retina display:
iPhone 4s: 3.5-inch 960 x 640 pixels, 326 ppi
Galaxy Note: 5.3-inch 800 x 1280 pixels, 285 ppi
New iPad: 9.7-inch 2048 x 1536 pixel, 264 ppi
So all this bears the question, according to Apple's own definition, does the Galaxy Note phone have a Retina Display? Can someone with more time than me right now, maybe chart out the 3 devices and viewing distances - then we can send our findings to David Pogue of the NYTimes ( tech gadget writer).
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* Here is macworld explaining why the retina display term changed:
"Apple first introduced the concept of a “Retina display” in the iPhone 4, which packed 326 pixels per inch into its 3.5-inch display. Rather than refer to a specific level of pixel density, the term defines how the average person sees a screen—at a certain distance away, the human eye can no longer distinguish the individual pixels on a device.
Although the new iPad has a lower pixel density (264 versus 326) than the iPhone 4 or 4S, that’s largely due to screen size and relative distance—users hold the iPad further away from their faces than they might an iPhone."
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steveblue said:
While the 'New iPad''s resolution and display are incredibly impressive, but with the announcements, I noticed that Apple is using the term "Retina Display" (it's term for a display that in some pseudo science way is exactly right for the human eyes) in a different way. That is this new iPad's 'Retina Display" has a completely different ppi (pixels per inch) than the iPhone's Retina Display. Because you look at the iPad from farther away is Apple's rational. (see macworld quote below *)
So Apple now changed (updated?) the definition of their "Retina Display" term to some viewing distance / ppi equation, that they seems to be able to pretend has meaning scientifically (I am a researcher in vision and tech, so I hate to see marketing just crap on science). Can't Apple just stick with size/res at ppi like everyone else. Or maybe science (hence us geeks) should be able to use the term for anything that fits Apple's now new pseudo equation -- Hmm doing the 'math' it looks like the Samsung Galaxy Note would generally fit in the wishy washy definition of retina display:
iPhone 4s: 3.5-inch 960 x 640 pixels, 326 ppi
Galaxy Note: 5.3-inch 800 x 1280 pixels, 285 ppi
New iPad: 9.7-inch 2048 x 1536 pixel, 264 ppi
So all this bears the question, according to Apple's own definition, does the Galaxy Note phone have a Retina Display? Can someone with more time than me right now, maybe chart out the 3 devices and viewing distances - then we can send our findings to David Pogue of the NYTimes ( tech gadget writer).
-steveblue
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* Here is macworld explaining why the retina display term changed:
"Apple first introduced the concept of a “Retina display” in the iPhone 4, which packed 326 pixels per inch into its 3.5-inch display. Rather than refer to a specific level of pixel density, the term defines how the average person sees a screen—at a certain distance away, the human eye can no longer distinguish the individual pixels on a device.
Although the new iPad has a lower pixel density (264 versus 326) than the iPhone 4 or 4S, that’s largely due to screen size and relative distance—users hold the iPad further away from their faces than they might an iPhone."
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Interesting.. Although I would think you wouldn't need to plot viewing distances. I would think you would need to either know the algorithm in which apple uses to make this "retina" claim or you would just go by the viewing distances specified by the manufacturer.
I could be wrong but that was my thought. Definitely an interesting idea though.
steveblue said:
While the 'New iPad''s resolution and display are incredibly impressive, but with the announcements, I noticed that Apple is using the term "Retina Display" (it's term for a display that in some pseudo science way is exactly right for the human eyes) in a different way. That is this new iPad's 'Retina Display" has a completely different ppi (pixels per inch) than the iPhone's Retina Display. Because you look at the iPad from farther away is Apple's rational. (see macworld quote below *)
So Apple now changed (updated?) the definition of their "Retina Display" term to some viewing distance / ppi equation, that they seems to be able to pretend has meaning scientifically (I am a researcher in vision and tech, so I hate to see marketing just crap on science). Can't Apple just stick with size/res at ppi like everyone else. Or maybe science (hence us geeks) should be able to use the term for anything that fits Apple's now new pseudo equation -- Hmm doing the 'math' it looks like the Samsung Galaxy Note would generally fit in the wishy washy definition of retina display:
iPhone 4s: 3.5-inch 960 x 640 pixels, 326 ppi
Galaxy Note: 5.3-inch 800 x 1280 pixels, 285 ppi
New iPad: 9.7-inch 2048 x 1536 pixel, 264 ppi
So all this bears the question, according to Apple's own definition, does the Galaxy Note phone have a Retina Display? Can someone with more time than me right now, maybe chart out the 3 devices and viewing distances - then we can send our findings to David Pogue of the NYTimes ( tech gadget writer).
-steveblue
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* Here is macworld explaining why the retina display term changed:
"Apple first introduced the concept of a “Retina display” in the iPhone 4, which packed 326 pixels per inch into its 3.5-inch display. Rather than refer to a specific level of pixel density, the term defines how the average person sees a screen—at a certain distance away, the human eye can no longer distinguish the individual pixels on a device.
Although the new iPad has a lower pixel density (264 versus 326) than the iPhone 4 or 4S, that’s largely due to screen size and relative distance—users hold the iPad further away from their faces than they might an iPhone."
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Ignore the others lol... This is a great post as I was thinking the same thing. You explained it much more impressively that I ever could though...
I like this thread. Steve definitely sounds like an expert on the subject.
So according to apple, we do have retina display! !
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I like this thread. Steve definitely sounds like an expert on the subject.
So according to apple, we do have retina display! !
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Should lead to some great Samsung ads.
its all marketing by the great apple. Only company I know that can be late to a party, create a new word, and then set the standard. Its becoming dead around these parts.
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There's nothing "pseudo science" about the resolution of the human eye. It's nothing but a ratio between ppi and viewing distance. It could be argued whether apple's phones and tablets are below the ratio and whether their official viewing distances make sense, but the concept itself is sound science. If you increase the pixel density or view the screen from further away, you won't be able to distinguish individual pixels.
Nice to know.
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I would say it's exactly on the fuzzy edge of retina display - for 285 ppi, the shortest distance from the screen that the user is still unable to discern the pixel difference is about 12 inch. (for iPhone 4s it's 10.5 inch)
For normal usage of the Note (my usage), it's about 11-12 inch or larger, so it's on the verge of retina display.
Before i prove your theory, let me see if I can care less about this exercise.
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Yeah it's a Galaxy Note, are you jealous?
I disagree that the Note has a retina display. it looks considerably more grainy than my wife's iPhone 4. it doesn't bother me, but I know it's there
You do realize Note is PenTile right? That pretty much means 1/3 less pixels. The resolution is high so it isn't that obvious but it reduces the sub pixel density noticeably(which is ultimately more important). Whatever, you either like the screen or not, Retina Display is just a name Apple invented for high density screens.
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You can definitely care less about this exercise - by ignoring it and not posting a reply at all. I guess you do care about it a bit.
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I disagree that the Note has a retina display. it looks considerably more grainy than my wife's iPhone 4. it doesn't bother me, but I know it's there
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Yes, but the new ipad also has a retina display - and it has lower ppi than the Note.
but .....
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You do realize Note is PenTile right? That pretty much means 1/3 less pixels. The resolution is high so it isn't that obvious but it reduces the sub pixel density noticeably(which is ultimately more important). Whatever, you either like the screen or not, Retina Display is just a name Apple invented for high density screens.
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yeah, PenTile RGBG is the dirty word here. I wish they went with an RGB matrix. I can definitely see the dotted edges on small text. That said, the dots are far smaller than the terribly-obvious ones on older screens like on the Nexus One, so I can easily ignore it.
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I would say it's exactly on the fuzzy edge of retina display - for 285 ppi, the shortest distance from the screen that the user is still unable to discern the pixel difference is about 12 inch. (for iPhone 4s it's 10.5 inch)
For normal usage of the Note (my usage), it's about 11-12 inch or larger, so it's on the verge of retina display.
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If this is true, then for me I can't see the individual pixels from my regular viewing distance. Yes, I actually held a ruler up to eye level and put my phone at the end and honestly 1ft is kind of close.
On a side note, I have always loved my Note's screen. If it is not the pinnacle, it sure is sitting on top w/ only a few other phones atop the Android ecosystem.
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You do realize Note is PenTile right? That pretty much means 1/3 less pixels. The resolution is high so it isn't that obvious but it reduces the sub pixel density noticeably(which is ultimately more important). Whatever, you either like the screen or not, Retina Display is just a name Apple invented for high density screens.
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It is only 1/6 (~17%) not 1/3 less!
And the macbook is just another laptop but if you call it the latter, apple drones get their panties in a bunch.
To start with, "Retina display" is a marketing term, created by Apple. It has no formal definition or "standard". It's only meaningful in terms dictated by Apple relative to their own products.
It's also (as mentioned at the bottom of the OP) based on the distance you're holding the device from your face, you're not likely to be using a 5.3" device at the same distance as a 9.7" device. It's this distance relative to the ppi that they're using to determine if it's a "retina" display or not.
Don't adopt proprietary marketing terms as a meaningful identifier.
I would imagine that since it's a term created, by Apple, to describe a feature of Apple products, it's irrelevant when applied to non-Apple products. They might've lost their "reality distortion field", but they've still got one of the more heavily backed marketing teams in the world.
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So a friend of mine was debating reasons why the iPhone 4's retina display is better than Super AMOLED. An argument that will go on until the next big thing hits. But he brought up something that I can't seem to verify because of conflicting information.
He said that Super AMOLED is only capable of 16bit color, and not 24bit color and that Samsung claims 24bit (16million colors) is due to dithering.
I read that 16 bit color is also a limitation of Android 2.1
So my question is, is Super AMOLED a 16 bit display that only claims 24 bit due to dithering or is it truly a 24 bit display that is limited by Android 2.1?
Can someone shed some light on this? This thread is the second result when i googled the question, and i'd rather hear it from you xda
To answer this the short answer is the Galaxy 9000 series has 16 million color (24bit)+ dithering (The algorithm that is used to blend color) according to their specs. If the question is which is better the I PHONE which has better overall specs or the 9000 which actually has better real life colorization. The answer by most is It depends on what you are looking at. Essentially they are equal, though more the reviews tend to like Galaxy screen color better. See, the real problem with all this is more doesn't always make better so having the best specs doesn't mean having the best output.
The Iphone has the best specs academically, but user does not see the output it as better ..........
http://www.displayblog.com/2010/09/28/displaymate-super-amoled-vs-retina-display/
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The Iphone has the best specs academically, but user does not see the output it as better ..........
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Actually, other than the Retina Display and Super AMOLED display, they are basically the same hardware-wise. Both have A8 CPUs, 512 RAM, and large amounts of flash memory. We have a better GPU though.
Just iOS is a bit more refined than Android as far as the user experience goes. (Not that Android is bad, gotta admire your competitors strengths after all!)
I've been doing some research, and not even the official spec sheet from Motorola mention what type of display the XOOM has other than "10.1” 1280x800 resolution" and "HD widescreen display".. AMOLED? IPS? Comparable to the iPad? I haven't seen any comments on the the quality of the display either.. like.. at all.. I'm very curious.
Very important feature you know, seeing as you are going to be staring at it do everything.
From a couple videos I have seen (purely speculation) it does not look to be amoled. If I had to guess I would say lcd like the ipad. From owning both a amoled (captivate) and a lcd (galaxy tab) both are nice but I prefer the amoled.
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It's a TFT LCD touchscreen, WXGA (1280 x 800), 160DPI, 720p HD with 16:9 aspect ratio
I believe I also saw that Moto is using Gorilla Glass for the screen as well.
Darn, a transflective lcd would be the killer thing.... *sigh*
Its a 16:10 display not 16:9
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So, we heard from our source that the iPad 2 would have a "super high resolution" Retina Display, we heard from AppleInsider that the iPad 2 is getting around 4X the graphics performance of the iPad, and of course there's the fact that the iPhone 4's Retina Display offered a pretty impressively painless upgrade path for developers -- an iPad 2 with a 2048 x 1536 screen is starting to sound less and less like the crazy dream of naive fanboys. But wait, there's more! A .png has been found in the iBooks 1.2 source files, dubbed Wood [email protected]. It's sized at 1536 x 800, while the old and busted Wood Tile.png in iBooks 1.1 was 768 x 400 -- that's 2X in each direction, or 4X the pixels, for anyone who's counting. Incontrovertible evidence? No, but we want to believe.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/ipad-2-retina-display-evidence-mounts-this-time-a-png-of-wood/
Compare the two if this ipad 2 rumor is true?
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Compare the two if this ipad 2 rumor is true?
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Most likely not true. The only displays sporting something close to that (WQXGA, since QXGA with 4:3 aspect ratios pretty much died off) are 27"-30" graphics professional monitors and will run you well over $1,000. I doubt they could shrink it down to tablet-sized, or at the very least make it cost-effective.
UPDATE: I had to take the videos down for the moment at Samsung's request. There is information that they are about to change some design features and specs, but I don't know when and what exactly. I'm sorry for the situation, but I assure you I'll post them back as soon as I get word of it! Thank you for your interest and patience
I've had the chance to play around with the Note 10.1, that's the tablet with the S Pen. The reason they've delayed the release is that they've changed it dramatically since the preview at the MWC. It now has a 1.4GHz quadcore processor (I think it's the Exynos on the SIII), a 5 MP camera (instead of the 3.15) and the back got a hyperglazed finish just as the SIII. I've had the pebble blue one and I'm not sure if there is a marble white one.
The S Pen is much bigger than the Note 5.3 (looks EXACTLY the same), but smaller than the model shown at the MWC and it now fits inside a vertical hole in the lower left side. An amazing software feature is the Photoshop Touch app which is brilliant (as you may see in my video).
Here are my videos:
Short hands on presentation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eueOIjW5cIo
S Pen and Photoshop Touch review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0b0SRT_D74
It's an astonishing device, clearly stepping way higher in the high end line and it works like a charm. If you have questions feel free to ask, but unfortunately I no longer have it to do extra demos.
Which is the resolution? Still stuck at that 1280x800??
Yes, but I had no problem with it. At 150 ppi it's quite ok in my opinion.
If the resolution will be the same it will not compete with the ipad and will not sell well and i will not buy it either.
Thanks for the videos! This is a first day purchase for me. Any news on the release date?
Even 1920x1080 are too low for a 10.1. To compete with ipad visual quality they can barely put this resolution into a 8.9, but for a 10.1... no way it's too low.
Omg, Samsung is fond of low ppi especially if fullRGB, yes it's cheaper to build but OMG!
Unfortunately I have no such info, but given the fact that *I* (not some hotshot official) had access to one, it can't be far.
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Even 1920x1080 are too low for a 10.1. To compete with ipad visual quality they can barely put this resolution into a 8.9, but for a 10.1... no way it's too low.
Omg, Samsung is fond of low ppi especially if fullRGB, yes it's cheaper to build but OMG!
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BS.
1920x1080 is normal-sized monitor HD resolution, to say it's too low for a 10.1" screen is beyond ridiculous.
iPhone's "Retina" resolution is completely worthless on a useless 3.5", iPad's "Retina" display is overkill. The higher the resolution the better... up to a point.
Beyond that you are just paying a weight and power consumption (and also brightness in the case of the Ipad) penalty without getting your worth (the higher the resolutions the less your eye is able to see the difference).
Full HD resolution on a 10.1" would be ideal.
P.S. "Samsung is fond of low ppi"??
The Galaxy Tab 10.1's PPI is over 10% higher than the iPad2's.
Great. Thanks for the videos. I really look forward to a launch. Hopefully very soon. I aim for this to be my note-taken tool at work. I hope it will live up to that and be usefull. (Not hand click when using the pen etc.).
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BS.
1920x1080 is normal-sized monitor HD resolution, to say it's too low for a 10.1" screen is beyond ridiculous.
iPhone's "Retina" resolution is completely worthless on a useless 3.5", iPad's "Retina" display is overkill. The higher the resolution the better... up to a point.
Beyond that you are just paying a weight and power consumption (and also brightness in the case of the Ipad) penalty without getting your worth (the higher the resolutions the less your eye is able to see the difference).
Full HD resolution on a 10.1" would be ideal.
P.S. "Samsung is fond of low ppi"??
The Galaxy Tab 10.1's PPI is over 10% higher than the iPad2's.
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Normal sized monitor is not meant to be used as close as a tablet.
The closer a device is used the higher the ppi should be. For a smartphone pixels start beeing unnoticeable from 320-330ppi. Actually the best job is made by lg with 1280x720 on a 4.3" and 342ppi, higher than apple.
The tablet is meant to be used less close than a phone, so the ppi can be lower, around 250... the value adopted by apple in ipad3.
So for an optimal view the ppi has to be higher. 1280x800 on a 10.1 does mean a too low ppi (maybe not for a monitor, but surely for a tablet).
And yes, I confirm that samsung is fond of low ppi devices. You tell me the higest ppi of a fullRGB display of a Samsung device. FullRGB only, because the pentile matrix trash doesn't worth any talk, you know that at ppi being equal the visual quality of a pentile is much lower due to less subpixels, so i.e. the actual ppi of a 300ppi samoled hd is around 250, but this is something already well known.
Do you have any information about battery life?
i'm thinking about buying a tablet .. and i was comparing between this one and the galaxy tab 2 10.1 .. i'm going to buy it for college use .. to be honest .. i haven't had any tablet before .. it's my first .. and i want recommendations .. which one should i buy .. galaxy note 10.1 or tab 10.1 or go for an ipad 3 ?
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i'm thinking about buying a tablet .. and i was comparing between this one and the galaxy tab 2 10.1 .. i'm going to buy it for college use .. to be honest .. i haven't had any tablet before .. it's my first .. and i want recommendations .. which one should i buy .. galaxy note 10.1 or tab 10.1 or go for an ipad 3 ?
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The tab 2 10.1 is painfully slow. It's disappointing because it could have been a much better option if they had just put in a better processor (I know the tablet is supposed to be entry level, but the year-old exynos from the s2 would have been better). I'm not a huge gamer, but I do want a tablet that runs without much lag out of the box. I also want to play HD video files without frame skipping and the tab 2 10.1 isn't very good for this either.
As far as the other 2, it depends on you. The new ipad is nice. It's fast and has a fantastic display. My brother in law has one and absolutely loves it.
Personally, I usually gravitate towards android (and samsung). The note 10.1 doesn't have the PPI of the ipad, but it can fully display 720p hd video which is good enough for me. The screen is also a little bigger (than the ipad). Memory expansion is nice through microsd and the US version should have the IR blaster to use as a universal remote. The potential of using the s-pen for note taking and drawing is also a big plus for me. The quad core processor should also be able to handle just about whatever you throw at it (at least for a couple of years).
I wish the resolution was higher. I hate the display on my Tab 10.1, there's a distinct lack of clarity.
Probably gonna exchange my tab10.1 for the Note10.1
Hope it will launch soon, any rumours on that subject?
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That ppi is still ridiculous. Either they increase it till around 250, or sammy will get only low end customers.
But since they still use that crappy ppi on high end smartphones, I guess they are not able to increase the ppi in a tablet.
How close do you hold a tablet? How far do you sit from a monitor? For me it's only a few inches difference in usage? i sit approx arms length away from my monitors and hold my tablet only a few inches closer than that (arms slightly bent)
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The tab 2 10.1 is painfully slow. It's disappointing because it could have been a much better option if they had just put in a better processor (I know the tablet is supposed to be entry level, but the year-old exynos from the s2 would have been better). I'm not a huge gamer, but I do want a tablet that runs without much lag out of the box. I also want to play HD video files without frame skipping and the tab 2 10.1 isn't very good for this either.
As far as the other 2, it depends on you. The new ipad is nice. It's fast and has a fantastic display. My brother in law has one and absolutely loves it.
Personally, I usually gravitate towards android (and samsung). The note 10.1 doesn't have the PPI of the ipad, but it can fully display 720p hd video which is good enough for me. The screen is also a little bigger (than the ipad). Memory expansion is nice through microsd and the US version should have the IR blaster to use as a universal remote. The potential of using the s-pen for note taking and drawing is also a big plus for me. The quad core processor should also be able to handle just about whatever you throw at it (at least for a couple of years).
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well then the tab 2 10.1 is out of the race .. now the iPad 3 And The Note 10.1 .. so your recommendation is to have the note 10.1 right?
That's what I'm going with, but i don't think there's really a wrong choice
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I'm amused by all the comments linking the tablet to the low end of the market simply due to the low ppi. Clearly, everyone has different requirements out of a device. By putting a stylus on a 10" tablet, Samsung attained my personal "Shut up and take my money!" threshold. **** PPI, do you know how incredibly, mind blowingly useful a stylus is? As soon as I can figure out where to buy this thing, I'm buying it. I've been begging for a full sized tablet with a stylus ever since the original Note came out. This is my actual dream come true.
Samsung annonced officially, the Samsung Galaxy S4 mini.
it has 4.3" qHD disply, android 4.2.2 but with out most of the features of S4 (like no double shot, no 360 panorama), has S Health but with out S4 sensors like temperature sensor, barometer and humidity sensor
chipset is most likely Snapdragon 400 at 1.7Ghz with 1.5Gb of RAM and internal storage is 8Gb with Micro SD card slot for expanding it.
rest of connectivity options and usual, wifi, bluetooth,GPS with GLONASS etc...
also has IR blaster for remote controlling.
the phone has dimensions of 124.6 x 61.3 x 8.94mm and weighs 107g which is cool
battery is user replacable and is 1900mAh.
no word on pricing. samsung will show it off on June 20 and most likely to reveal pricing then.
available color options are Black Mist and White Frost.
i kinda like it except the qHD screen. it should have been at least 720p but all its success depends on its pricing.
what do u guys think?
The SIII Mini always struck me as a bit pointless, having neither the spec to appeal to those that like phones with a bit of muscle or the price point for those that want a decent phone on a budget. It didn't really satisfy anyone and I have a sneaky feeling we're going to see more of the same with this.
Definitely not more of the same, but then the s3 mini was especially useless. Rumors/leaks have the ATT version of the s4 mini at 720p (presumably pentile, but no confirmation). But gsmarena just confirmed that the version announced for europe is NOT pentile. It's got the same RGB s stripe as the Note 2. At 4.25" with qHD, it has a very respectable 259ppi that is at least as sharp as a Galaxy S3, and maybe slightly sharper. I'd almost as soon have RGB qHD as 720p pentile, so at least I know for sure what I'm getting. It comes with air view and multiwindow, which is kinda surprising.
http://www.androidbeat.com/2013/05/gs4-mini-720p/
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_mini-review-932.php
If this is $300, I'm gonna be very happy. If $350, I'm gonna be a little happy. If $400, I'm gonna be not very happy, but might get it anyway.
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Definitely not more of the same, but then the s3 mini was especially useless. Rumors/leaks have the ATT version of the s4 mini at 720p (presumably pentile, but no confirmation). But gsmarena just confirmed that the version announced for europe is NOT pentile. It's got the same RGB s stripe as the Note 2. At 4.25" with qHD, it has a very respectable 259ppi that is at least as sharp as a Galaxy S3, and maybe slightly sharper. I'd almost as soon have RGB qHD as 720p pentile, so at least I know for sure what I'm getting. It comes with air view and multiwindow, which is kinda surprising.
http://www.androidbeat.com/2013/05/gs4-mini-720p/
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_mini-review-932.php
If this is $300, I'm gonna be very happy. If $350, I'm gonna be a little happy. If $400, I'm gonna be not very happy, but might get it anyway.
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I saw it in a video (closely), and it's not as sharp as S3.
I don't know but it's clueless to compare the number of subpixels to say which is sharper.
With the lower ppi, Note 2 is still a little bit sharper than S3 because they scale it the same as S3 (by adjusting ppi) and no pentile effect on Note 2. But they cannot do the same on a smaller screen like S4 mini-
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I saw it in a video (closely), and it's not as sharp as S3.
I don't know but it's clueless to compare the number of subpixels to say which is sharper.
With the lower ppi, Note 2 is still a little bit sharper than S3 because they scale it the same as S3 (by adjusting ppi) and no pentile effect on Note 2. But they cannot do the same on a smaller screen like S4 mini-
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It's clueless to think you can make a screen sharper through scaling (presumably, you meant adjusting "dpi"). And to claim subpixels have nothing to do with sharpness but still hail the Note 2's lack of a pentile effect as responsible for it's sharpness. What do you think the pentile effect is? And to think you can divine screen sharpness through an encoded web video. Trust me, you can't.
You can pixelate software elements through improper scaling, but you can't sharpen a low density screen through software scaling. For example if you zoom in enough (a form of 'scaling') on a small image even viewing it on a super sharp screen, yeah, it'll look bad, but that's not the screen's problem. If you've got a low density screen, the sharpest of images will look crappy no matter how you scale them. The S4 mini is sharp for the same reason the Note 2 looks sharp: because they share the same complete RGB matrix and almost the same density.
Pentile is nothing more or less than false advertising, a way of artificially inflating the raw spec. It's not the worst thing in the world, it just requires a much higher purported ppi to reach the same sharpness as an RGB matrix screen.
Again like the S3 mini, Samsung is trying to milk more money out of the S4 series but now targeting the mid-range side. Average consumers will probably buy this as there is an "S4" tag on it and is much cheaper than it's big brother.
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It's clueless to think you can make a screen sharper through scaling (presumably, you meant adjusting "dpi"). And to claim subpixels have nothing to do with sharpness but still hail the Note 2's lack of a pentile effect as responsible for it's sharpness. What do you think the pentile effect is? And to think you can divine screen sharpness through an encoded web video. Trust me, you can't.
You can pixelate software elements through improper scaling, but you can't sharpen a low density screen through software scaling. For example if you zoom in enough (a form of 'scaling') on a small image even viewing it on a super sharp screen, yeah, it'll look bad, but that's not the screen's problem. If you've got a low density screen, the sharpest of images will look crappy no matter how you scale them. The S4 mini is sharp for the same reason the Note 2 looks sharp: because they share the same complete RGB matrix and almost the same density.
Pentile is nothing more or less than false advertising, a way of artificially inflating the raw spec. It's not the worst thing in the world, it just requires a much higher purported ppi to reach the same sharpness as an RGB matrix screen.
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I don't think you understand my opinion, maybe due to my bad English. To say clearer, what I mean is the Note 2's screen's scale is basically the same as Galaxy S3 with the same 320 dpi - zooming from 4.8 to 5.55 inch. This means, a same font of texts, a word with a length of 120 pixels on S3 (1/6 of the total length) is still 120 pixels on Note 2 (also 1/6 of the total length), but 15.625% bigger in real-size (what you actually see). So is the result is what you can see clear on S3, you can see it CLEARER on Note 2. That's is the technichque Samsung usually implements, like on Note 8.0 that make it much more sharper than iPad mini in browsing. If we compare a same line of texts with 5mm of "real size", the result from a screen like One X basically has 18% more pixels to illustrate the detail of the text, which results in being clearer than Note 2. And if you really have a Note 2 (i'm using it), when visiting some websites in desktop mode (like xda forum, lol), the text is very small and not crisp anymore.
But how about Galaxy S4 Mini? "The S4 mini is sharp for the same reason the Note 2 looks sharp"? OK, now we will consider the same thing as Note 2 above. For a line of texts equivalent to 1/6 total length of the screen, it takes only 93.33 pixels, which means noticeably less than S3 and Note 2 with smaller "real size" also, so it cannot be as sharp as S3. And in fact, Samsung did rescale from 320dpi to 240 dpi on Galaxy S4 Mini, which also means for a same font of texts, the number of pixels for displaying increases about 15.3%, so from 93.33 pixels I said above now it is appox. 108 pixels, which is not too far from Galaxy S3, and the payoff is the screen is cramped. So we cannot say "because Note 2 is sharp so Galaxy S4 Mini is also sharp"
About Pentile screen, it is not totally "nothing more or less than false advertising", but more like "false understanding of the major and the misleading criticisms". Why? Because most of people don't understand what is "Pentile". In fact, this "technology" can ONLY be used on OLED (AMOLED) technogy, which has the uneven luminance and lumious time of different color subpixels. Even experts cannot show the "exactly" ppi of an Pentile Amoled screen (because even with Pentile, different stripes layout leads to different result), while some people try to do an easier way that comparing the total number of subpixels, which is totally false. In fact, Galaxy S4 has 623 subpixels/inch, slightly higher than Blackberry Z10 (615) and iPhone 5 (565), but it is MUCH more sharper and not really different from the normal RGB 1080p screen like Xperia Z.
With Pentile screen, the main culprit of all criticism is not the lack of subpixels, but the uneven scale of pixels (because they're not real pixels) and uneven big-small gaps redundant. That's why they call the subpixels layout of S4 is innovative while still Pentile, because it is much much better than the traditional matrix on Galaxy S3 and together with the high ppi reduces most of Pentile problem (in fact, with traditional matrix, even with 441 ppi probably there will be something there)
Does or can S4 Mini have stock or by a custom rom have Air & Motion gestures ??
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Does or can S4 Mini have stock or by a custom rom have Air & Motion gestures ??
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No, the sensor isn't there.
i wish this could be my next phone
I'm considering this too as my next phone.
Compact, powerful, enough RAM and a non-pentile qHD display.
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I'm considering this too as my next phone.
Compact, powerful, enough RAM and a non-pentile qHD display.
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It was recently announced that CM10.1 is being prepared for i9195 version. Is there any info of whether it will also be supported for i9190 international version (without LTE and NFC)?
I also suppose we need a separate ROOT thread for it as nor 9192 neither 9195 procedures might fit.
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I'm considering this too as my next phone.
Compact, powerful, enough RAM and a non-pentile qHD display.
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Me too
But only if i will find it around to 300€ in next months, and if there will be a good support on XDA
Hi Is there usb otg on galaxy s4 mini ?
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Hi Is there usb otg on galaxy s4 mini ?
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Not at the moment. MHL isn't supported either.
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It was recently announced that CM10.1 is being prepared for i9195 version. Is there any info of whether it will also be supported for i9190 international version (without LTE and NFC)?
I also suppose we need a separate ROOT thread for it as nor 9192 neither 9195 procedures might fit.
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No info. There isn't a root for the 9190 yet - the 9192 and 9195 procedures do not work on the 9190 and will probably brick your device.
hello, does anyone know when this phone will be available in the usa? can not find any info on this
if this is in the wrong forum please move, thanks
Which phone should i buy? sIII or s4 mini
Get the S4 mini if you want to future-proof yourself.
The S3 mini specifications are quite outdated
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Get the S4 mini if you want to future-proof yourself.
The S3 mini specifications are quite outdated
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No, i said between the normal s3 4.7" and s4mini. S3is cheaper here and has more ROMs and development
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No, i said between the normal s3 4.7" and s4mini. S3is cheaper here and has more ROMs and development
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Hmm, you've mentioned the main benefit of getting the S3 I guess.
Also, the S3 has quad-core as opposed to the dual-core S4 mini. S3 has 1 GB of ram only though.
There are also more accessories for the S3 than for the S4 mini because the mini has a smaller market and is also a newer device.
In the Note 10.1 (2014) forum as well as a few other 10" tablet forums people complain about the fact the resolution on the 12.2 is the same as on 10.1" devices. I hadn't really thought much about it until tonight. I was sitting at my desktop which is a dual monitor setup. Desktop is a 27" iMac with a resolution of 2560x1440 and a gorgeous 27" widescreen Samsung monitor at it's max resolution of 1920x1080.
A pair of 27" monitors, one which lets me do very detailed pixel peeping in photoshop (iMac), and another which is so crisp and stunning, and still with very easy to read text (The Sammy). Neither of these 27" beautiful screens has as many pixels as our lil' tablet. I don't want this to be a debate regarding PenTile as that is not the point. Just saying that the resolution on my Note Pro blows away every desktop and laptop (as well as other tablets) I own.
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In the Note 10.1 (2014) forum as well as a few other 10" tablet forums people complain about the fact the resolution on the 12.2 is the same as on 10.1" devices. I hadn't really thought much about it until tonight. I was sitting at my desktop which is a dual monitor setup. Desktop is a 27" iMac with a resolution of 2560x1440 and a gorgeous 27" widescreen Samsung monitor at it's max resolution of 1920x1080.
A pair of 27" monitors, one which lets me do very detailed pixel peeping in photoshop (iMac), and another which is so crisp and stunning, and still with very easy to read text (The Sammy). Neither of these 27" beautiful screens has as many pixels as our lil' tablet. I don't want this to be a debate regarding PenTile as that is not the point. Just saying that the resolution on my Note Pro blows away every desktop and laptop (as well as other tablets) I own.
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People will complain about anything. Can't make everyone happy and some people think specs are more important then real world results. too bad for them. Love this tablet and couldn't imagine going back to a little 10 inch!
Yep. My beautiful full hd 60 inch tv is only 48 ppi and 1920x1080 pixels. Never complain
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Supposely, Apple will release a Macbook Air 12 inch with "Retina" display. When I checked the resolution, it's the same as our Note Pro 12.2.
Samsung marketing department should have named our tablet the Galaxy Note 12.2 Retina LOL.
My 12.5" 1920x1080 laptop looks much sharper. My 12.2 is noticeably jagged at closer viewing distances, even on straight lines like the light brown line surrounding this reply box on XDA.
PenTile is the reason. I would much prefer a 1920x1200 RGB stripe screen over a 2560x1600 PenTile screen.
I have note pro p-901 and my wife has note 2014 p-601. Both of them have great resolution which is better than any laptop I have used...
And of course better resolution than Ipad air with retina display (my ex-tab)....
I like sammy tablets and I think Tab-S has a brilliant sharper screen than Note Pro...
I used to be very very worrying about the resolutions before I purchased this device. After I bought it, I have been satisfied with the resolutions.
With people having 2k res smart phones it seems the world is about numbers rather then immersion any more. I don't get also. I love the screen on this bad boy. I never understood the rat race on numbers and packing as many pixels into a small screen as possible. When will it get to a point of crazy, as in you wont be able to see the difference with the human eye..
Well by that time we will have robotic eyes and then complain that the screen in our new robo eyes are are not as pixel dense as the ones the billionairs have. :cyclops:
Now I do like bright colors alot so I love the look of samsungs s5 screen.. Over saturated colors are great to look at imo. Though 2k Samoled screen vs 1080p Samoled screen I prob wont really see the hype.. I will focus on the colors.
same here. The resolution is already insane. Could it be better? Obviously. But no way I am going to ***** about this.
I ran a showing of The Hobbit 2 in 2K on both this tab and the newest iPad.
I have converted 14 long-time Apple fans in 4 minutes. Says it all, I believe.
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I ran a showing of The Hobbit 2 in 2K on both this tab and the newest iPad.
I have converted 14 long-time Apple fans in 4 minutes. Says it all, I believe.
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4 mins? A 2k trailer or what? Link please, my dad has the air and I'd love to fully blow him away once and for all
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I never understood the rat race on numbers and packing as many pixels into a small screen as possible.
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Would you be happy if the screen was 1280x800?
Put the Note 12.2's 2560x1600 screen next to a 12.5" laptop's 1920x1080 screen, display the same small text like on a website or document and see if you can tell the difference. It's not the resolution that's the problem, it's the pentile layout that makes it look jagged.
When will it get to a point of crazy, as in you wont be able to see the difference with the human eye..
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You really can't see the pixelation caused by the pentile layout? I can clearly see it on smaller text at normal viewing distances.
Just because your eyes can't see them doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
You might find this research paper interesting too:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jsid.186/abstract
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4 mins? A 2k trailer or what? Link please, my dad has the air and I'd love to fully blow him away once and for all
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Wasn't an online vid, I had the file on my SD. Sorry. But you can usually find the high-res trailers at (ironically) trailers.apple.com.