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RAM/Memory Low Problems

For some reason, I don't see too many complaints about low memory issues - yet I have always had problems with my RAM.
I have almost all of my programs installed on my SD card to try reduce any of my memory usage - but if I run PIE, MSN Messenger, or try to play music, I almost always have low memory messages come up.
I usually have one program running in the background - Slide to Unlock - but as far as I know its not that memory intensive?
Any insight on how I can fix this?
Thanks!

Are you running an elf or an elfin? If your not sure.....go to start-->settings-->system-->device information-->hardware. What does your RAM size read? If its 64MB its an elf.....if it says 128MB its an elfin. Your saying you've installed all your applications on the storage card. How much free space do you have for program memory on your phone? Your phones needs free memory in order to run applications too. Perhaps its running low on that end? Two things you should do:
1. Move any extra files, photos, videos or anything else that you might have saved on the phone memory to the storage card. Use activesync. Its faster that way.
2. Clear out your browser history and temp files. This could most probably be your culprit as they take up space too...and you don't necessarily see this upfront. Goto Start-->Internet Explorer-->Menu-->Tools-->Options-->Memory Tab.

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2. Clear out your browser history and temp files. This could most probably be your culprit as they take up space too...and you don't necessarily see this upfront. Goto Start-->Internet Explorer-->Menu-->Tools-->Options-->Memory Tab.
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I've been having "Insufficient memory" errors while trying to run SpB Backup, and have deleted all sorts of applications, but nothing seemed to free up enough memory. Then I tried your advice, and everything is working as it should!
Thanks!!

I have an elf - usually when I close all of my processes, except my stumble to unlock, I'll have approx. 15mb/47 free in my program memory. 10/28 of my storage space is free.
I've tried to clear all of my temp files... even made it so that all my temp files/PIE files are put on my storage card through SK tools, but still have the same issues.
As soon as I run my HTC music player with the one or two background apps, it almost always pops up with memory issues. Browsing with PIE is almost impossible for any period longer than 5 minutes.
I've tried it with several configurations and I always have the same results, even if I have no background processes - I still have the same issues.

Are you using a cooked ROM? Come to think of it, I never had many problems with the original shipped ROM. I was normally running S2U2, PocketMusic, Opera Mini and SpbMobileShell back then.
You mean to say you can't even run one application at a time without running out of RAM? Soft reset. And if you use SKTools like you say you do, try running Free Up RAM, select all options.
In your shoes I'd probably move everything I want to storage card, (you should want more than 10mb storage) try a hard reset and install my most used apps again. Oh, and what is your PagePool size? Try here to find out about that. It should be 4mb.

Your primary problem is indeed the fact that you are running out of space on your phone. 15mb for program memory especially on heavy usage is quite insufficient. Especially if your going to be multi tasking and running several applications at once. I would move ALL my installed programs and anything else I may be able to get my hands on, to the storage card. Try to squeeze out atleast 25-30mb out of your program memory. This should give your phone some more breathing space.

This might be to use of you to try it out.
http://www.oxios.com/memory/

hi
I had the same problem before but now my touch runs fine now & haven't got any issues till now. Use advanced task manager and pocket mechanic. These application will keep ur pocketpc in good shape.

Very good, Thanks.

Apps installed in SD card

I am in the process of deciding to buy a Hero. I found in various other sites that Android apps cannot be installed in the SD card. Is it true. Is this a major inconvenience ? What are the implications ?

If you use the stock ROM, it does not install applications on the SD card. This means it uses the on-board memory for storage. Since this is shared with the operating system (Android), things start slowing down as the system tries to make enough space to run portions of apps in memory if you have downloaded and installed a lot of apps. However, custom ROMs such as MoDaCo's have been tweaked to allow you to store apps on the SD, saving your precious on-board memory for running apps.

you will have to install tons of apps, probably loads of which you will never even use, before you run into memory issues. There is plenty of memory onboard for the average joe to tinker and play with. You don't have to root and load a custom rom on these handsets to make them good, they are pretty slick straight out the box.

crash_194 said:
you will have to install tons of apps, probably loads of which you will never even use, before you run into memory issues. There is plenty of memory onboard for the average joe to tinker and play with. You don't have to root and load a custom rom on these handsets to make them good, they are pretty slick straight out the box.
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Indeed. After installing tons of apps, I realized that I had 40mb of free space on board yesterday and of course it is frustrating. However, I went through all the applications in "Manage Applications" screen and cleared all the cache they have been using. Now I have like double empty space ~80mb. And of course I still have tons of applications and games.

Agreed. Dont believe the statement 'Things start slowing down', he doesnt know what hes on about.
There are two sections of memory, one for storing apps + os and one for running apps. If you install 500 apps and almost fill the apps + os part the memory for running apps is unaffected.
I'm sure storing apps on the SD card is fine, but remember that this was originally done for the T-Mobile G1 which had little memory for apps, the hero has a lot more.

Samsung Apps- memory hogs

My I9000 is very laggy. Not always, just most of the time.
Closing com.sec.android.app.samsungapps.una & Daily Briefings with TasKiller gets me back around 30 MB, available memory now back around 60MB & phone now useable.
I've found a couple of samsung apps in system/app, SamsungWidget_WeatherClock.apk is 8.9MB, I think that's the culprit. How do I stop it running? Do I just delete it? (I'd probably copy it to the SD card & backup just in case.)
Are there any others i should get rid of/prevent from starting?

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My I9000 is very laggy. Not always, just most of the time.
Closing com.sec.android.app.samsungapps.una & Daily Briefings with TasKiller gets me back around 30 MB, available memory now back around 60MB & phone now useable.
I've found a couple of samsung apps in system/app, SamsungWidget_WeatherClock.apk is 8.9MB, I think that's the culprit. How do I stop it running? Do I just delete it? (I'd probably copy it to the SD card & backup just in case.)
Are there any others i should get rid of/prevent from starting?
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I use LauncherPro so I don't (can't) use any Samsung Widgets. However, I was using touchwiz for a while, I didn't have many memory issues with it. If the widget is running you can just click and hold the widget and move it to the trash, you don't need to back it up (it'll still be installed). There are many other things running that the Samsung TaskKiller doesn't pick up, that said, Android from what I read and see myself doesn't need much more than 30-50mb free at any time (though when I'm going to start surfing and doing a lot of activity I do try to free up around 150mb, just incase) and if you happen to push the boundary it'll free up memory for you.
If you want to be able to kill more tasks get ATK (advanced task killer).

After what ive read android dont page memory the way computers do, when it runs out of working memory. Reason is lack of memory i guess. But with several gigabytes of memory in internal storage, whats the problem?
With winmo I had to share working memory with installed software (if not installing on sd).

robnil said:
With winmo I had to share working memory with installed software (if not installing on sd).
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No lah. Ram & rom, different.

Will my phone turn to toffee again after I install more than 130mb of apps?

Hi
I did a hard reset of my phone the other day and now it runs like lightning. I've slowly started installing apps again and all seems to be going well still.
However I read that without installing some sort of fix (which from initial reading seems beyond my technical skillset) after installing 130mb of apps the apps get put on to a much slower internal card, which causes the lag.
Given I have quite a few storage heavy games still to install (gameloft ones), will I hit crazy amounts of lag again as soon as I install over 130mb of apps?

The short answer is yes. The more apps you install, the more they will automatically process in the background, thus tax your system.

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The short answer is yes. The more apps you install, the more they will automatically process in the background, thus tax your system.
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But is the vibrant more susceptible to this than other android phones given the 130mb nand limit was what I was trying to figure out.
I'm correct in thinking that after 130mb of apps the whole phone slows down??

I have about 150 apps on my phone with a little over 1gig left of space. I'm not running any kind of lag fix because I find them to unstable at this point. I occasionally will get a sec or two of lag when opening an app but that's it. IMO its a really quick phone but it also depends on what apps you are running.
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But is the vibrant more susceptible to this than other android phones given the 130mb nand limit was what I was trying to figure out.
I'm correct in thinking that after 130mb of apps the whole phone slows down??
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No, All apps are stored on the Internal SD. There is a lag fix that uses the 130 dbdata (iirc) nand partition thats 130mb for appdata (not the actual apps).

[Q] Storage is reporting full...

Just plugged my Xoom in this morning, first time in a couple of days and my storage is full. I've calculated all the apps I've got installed based on the 'Manage Applications' reported storage usage and with all the apps I've got installed I'm at about 1.5gb, yet when I go to 'Storage' in Settings it reports I've got 11gb of apps installed. My normal storage usage hasn't changed, I've used about 16gb with music and roms and such, but somehow magically I'm using 11gb of storage for apps that it can't actually find... What do I do? Any suggestions? Never had anything like this happen on my Droid so I'm pretty lost.
edit: It's also keeping me from installing anything at all or even updating apps... Pretty annoying.

Just a guess but did you take application storage onto account PR just the application itself. 10 Gig seems excessive for application storage but some games have large files.
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Just a guess but did you take application storage onto account PR just the application itself. 10 Gig seems excessive for application storage but some games have large files.
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The game data for all my games seems in line with the games I'm playing. In the 'Manage Applications' menu, it shows aggregate total, including application storage.

I just uninstalled all the big apps, still nothing. Astro didn't help me figure anything out either, I've got absolutely no idea what's using 11gb of storage now, I certainly have less than 1gb installed and I've only got 2gb free.

Wound up backing everything up and resetting it to defaults... Have no idea what happened but I'll be pretty annoyed if it happens again.

Elysian893 said:
Wound up backing everything up and resetting it to defaults... Have no idea what happened but I'll be pretty annoyed if it happens again.
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That sucks!
How did you go about doing your backup (and restore)? Are you rooted?

Elysian893 said:
Just plugged my Xoom in this morning, first time in a couple of days and my storage is full. I've calculated all the apps I've got installed based on the 'Manage Applications' reported storage usage and with all the apps I've got installed I'm at about 1.5gb, yet when I go to 'Storage' in Settings it reports I've got 11gb of apps installed. My normal storage usage hasn't changed, I've used about 16gb with music and roms and such, but somehow magically I'm using 11gb of storage for apps that it can't actually find... What do I do? Any suggestions? Never had anything like this happen on my Droid so I'm pretty lost.
edit: It's also keeping me from installing anything at all or even updating apps... Pretty annoying.
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From the market, download an app called DiskUsage. It provides a visual breakdown of all of the data on your device. It should be fairly easy using this app to identify why and where all of this used data is coming from. Hope it helps.