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I had a iphone 3GS and sent it back so I could get the Hero.
I'm not sure now if it was the best trade off? The Apps are much more polished as is the whole iphone OS. Now the 3GS can be jailbroken and unlocked it can be used on any network which is good because O2's 3G coverage is not good.
So... are you regretting the switch? would you go back to iphone?

I had the original iPhone and the 3G for ~6 months months, but haven't used either in more than a year. Since the iPhone, I've used a Blackberry Bold, e71, Xperia X1, and Touch Diamond 2.
The Hero has been the closest to an iPhone experience compared to any of those phones. No, it's not quite as polished, and nowhere near as fast as the 3GS (based on my brief experince with it), but its design, flexibility, and Sense UI makes up for it.
I've had iPhone users comment on the design of the Hero, as well as the Sense UI. It is the general consensus amung people that have played with my phone that the UI is far nicer designed than the iPhone design.
I couldn't stand the iPhone because it would always lock up when I tried to answer a call, which proved to be extremely frustrating. I don't get that with the Hero...in fact, it's the best PHONE I've had, with the exception of the Bold.
All in all, yes, the lag is annoying, and there are definitely a few things I would change, but for the most part, the Hero is the most enjoyable phone I've ever had, and don't regret switching from the iPhone (or any other phone) to it. Plus, the exclusivity of not having a phone that 10+ million other people have is always nice .

i keep wanting to sell my hero and go back to iphone, i hand the original 3g and now think the 3gs would have been a better purchase.

The only thing I really miss about the iPhone are some of the games. Games are a weak point for Android at the moment though this will eventually change as more and more handsets keep coming out and developers will be unable to ignore it. Come to think of it, that's about the only thing about the iPhone I actually liked lol.

I am missing my iphone a bit now that i'm using the hero. I think the iphone had one of the most fluid interfaces of any phone i've ever used. I miss the screen automatically turning on and off during a call when it is close to your face. I always try to turn off the screen during a call out of habbit on the hero and end up disconnecting the call. I also liked the hardware silence toggel on the iphone for quick ringer switching. The keyboard on the iphone was also a little bit more responsive and got more of my keystrokes correct. The main reason why I got the hero was for the widget and facebook integration. I got sort of board with the limits on the iphone os, and always having to open individual programs everytime I wanted to do anything. If the iphone started to offer home screen widgets i'd probably switch back in a heartbeat. I think the sense ui is cool, but until they make it less buggy, its just hard for me to fully enjoy it. I'm also getting mad at the fact that my facebook links in my contacts keep getting erased for no good reason, if anyone has an idea to why this happens and how to prevent it please share. Also i've noticed the signal and call quality are lower on the Hero than the iphone and my other HTC devices, I can hear a hiss in the background of all my calls, and tend to drop calls in places my iphone never did. Hopefully this can be fixed with a new radio version. I would like to keep my hero because I think it has so much potential, I just hope HTC releases some new firmware soon.

Well, though question...
I´ve had the iPhone 3G for more than a year now but bought the Hero after having drained the iPhone in a heavy rainfall. I also (don´t ask me why..) ordered the new 3Gs simultaniously and I´m still waiting for it...
I loved the iPhone, and still do, but the Hero is more "interesting" and more flexible when it comes to customization.
The iPhone is more "snappier" and more polished but the Hero is something fresh and interesting. Keep in mind that Android is still in it´s first year on the market which I find VERY impressing.
Will I keep the Hero, the iPhone or both? I seriously don´t know...
If both phones have had been new to me I would have bought the iPhone because of its (imo) still superior ease of use and "snappines".
Hero on the other hand is the only phone that I´ve met that can compete with iPhone on the ´overall experience´, the both ´simply works´ (...just that iPhone works a little bit better. Question is, will it last?).
I only know one thing for sure. It will take Microsoft more than ´some´effort to make me go back...

Video playback on iphone is unrivaled, The camcorder with editing is better than expected. Battery life is also better.
I waited ages for the Hero and really want to like it. But as with the facebook issues and the camera/video quality isn't great either? Video playback on the Hero is not great with the stuttering.
Seems the only thing going for the Hero is the widgets?

mwatson said:
Video playback on iphone is unrivaled, The camcorder with editing is better than expected. Battery life is also better.
I waited ages for the Hero and really want to like it. But as with the facebook issues and the camera/video quality isn't great either? Video playback on the Hero is not great with the stuttering.
Seems the only thing going for the Hero is the widgets?
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I actually totally agree with you. I tried to play an mp4 just now and get stuttering every 4-5 secs. The music app can't compete with the iphone either, I love the widgets and the customization on the hero, but as of right now that’s about it. I have another week to return it but I want to give HTC the benefit of the doubt that they will be upgrading software quickly. Man I don't know what to do.

dondula said:
I actually totally agree with you. I tried to play an mp4 just now and get stuttering every 4-5 secs. The music app can't compete with the iphone either, I love the widgets and the customization on the hero, but as of right now that’s about it. I have another week to return it but I want to give HTC the benefit of the doubt that they will be upgrading software quickly. Man I don't know what to do.
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Thats where i am with it. Dunno what to do and time is ticking before we get locked into contracts.
Maybe iphone is the way to go for now. Not to dismiss Android and HTC, maybe during next year's contract renewa'/upgrades HTC and Android maybe have caught up. But for now, the damm iphone just can't be beat on every count. Sure the widgets are great, but in 3-6 months (or less!) will the novelty wear off and we're left with a duff battery, dodgy signal reception, a less than impressive camera, don't even go there with video recording.
Tell ya what though.... being a geek is tough! and expensive!

I'm sticking with the Hero personally. I hate Apples ridiculous policies and I hate having to close out apps in order to use something else..it's so annoying. Android is getting there and Donut is coming soon which I hear is using 2.6.29 kernel which brings a nice little speed increase. I know more apps and games are on the way, especially since a couple major US carriers will be getting Android devices in the next couple months. Hero is coming here as is something from Motorola from what I hear. BTW, I think iPhone is so smooth because it only really runs one thing at a time while Hero for instance runs a lot widgets, sense ui, etc. I mean iPhone 3G has what a 434mhz processor? That's not much at all.

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...I mean iPhone 3G has what a 434mhz processor? That's not much at all.
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Agree on that but mhz isn´t everything. Hero is running a Qualcomm processor and iPhone 3G a higher quality (some say...) ARM processor.

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I'm sticking with the Hero personally. I hate Apples ridiculous policies and I hate having to close out apps in order to use something else..it's so annoying. Android is getting there and Donut is coming soon which I hear is using 2.6.29 kernel which brings a nice little speed increase. I know more apps and games are on the way, especially since a couple major US carriers will be getting Android devices in the next couple months. Hero is coming here as is something from Motorola from what I hear. BTW, I think iPhone is so smooth because it only really runs one thing at a time while Hero for instance runs a lot widgets, sense ui, etc. I mean iPhone 3G has what a 434mhz processor? That's not much at all.
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Some good points there. I'm not sure the Hero will be able to upgrade to Donut. I understand its out the loop. I might be wrong though.
The thing is, its not just speed, actually i'm not bothered about that. I had a touch diamond before so the Hero flies in comparrison. Its the low quality camera/camcorder/battery life/video playback and signal quality that let it down.

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Agree on that but mhz isn´t everything. Hero is running a Qualcomm processor and iPhone 3G a higher quality (some say...) ARM processor.
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It should be said that both the Qualcomm processor *IS* an ARM processor.
The IPhone 3G uses a Samsung designed processor based on the ARM11 core,
and the Hero a Qualcomm processor, again based on an ARM11 core.
The IPhone 3GS uses a Samsung processor again, but this is based on the superior ARM Cortex-A8 core.
Essentially ARM licenses processor cores to semiconductor manufacturers who then build their own SOCs (System on a Chip) by integrating a range of other components onto the same die.
I remember ARM when it stood for Acorn Risc Machines (not Advanced Risc Machines or just ARM as it does today!) and powered the Acorn Archimedes.
Regards,
Dave

My Experience - iPhone / WinMo / Blackberry / Android
Hi,
I brought the original iPhone when it launched in the UK with no apps etc. Since then I have jumped about to Windows Mobile (Touch Diamond + Xperia X1) and also Blackberry (Storm - Curve 8900 - Bold).
Throwing myself back at Apple I got the 3GS when it launched, very nice phone and very fast.
My issues with Apple are the stupid controls they have around the app store and the refusal of background apps. (I totally understand the end user experience can be quantified with no running apps and for the less techy masses this is a good business move).
I however feel grown up enough to be able to manage my own running processes and know that if I run too many it will slow down.
I still do love my iphone and all the apps/games available but all through my iphone life I get drawn back to Windows Mobile as I can do so much on it.
Now I have been waiting for a unlocked Android phone to come along and jumped at the Hero as I have a company SIM card and no personal contract.
I am loving my Hero so far (been just over a week), its not perfect and does hang up sometimes, but at least it comes back quickly and I have not had to reset it etc. I am sure future builds will improve these things, I remember iphone 2.0 release!
Just so nice to be able to run FuriousStream and then actually continue to use my phone for checking mail/twitter/web etc. On my iphone it drove me nuts I had to close the streaming app!
Video recording is SO much better on the 3GS but in fairness for me is a very small part of what I use a phone for so not end of the world.
Sense UI is very nice, I like being able to customise the experience.
I get bored quickly and it saves me getting fed up with the same old.
Will I never go back to the iPhone??? Maybe/Maybe not. Too early to tell, but for me Android is like Windows Mobile as it should have been with background apps plus a good UI with a good marketplace but the option of just installing what you like with no one dictating to you straight from a developers webiste it you want.
Russ

I'm coming from this issue at a different angle. I had (still have) the Xperia X1 and although on the face of it it should do everything you want it is unresponsive at times even with the cooked ROMs that the geniuses here manage to cook (Thanks to them I didn't send the phone back!).
That being said I wasn't too enamoured with WinMo even in its 6.5 guise. Then there is the HTC issue with video which it should do well but never does. So my other contract was up and being an advocate of Linux and Open Source etc. I wanted an Android phone and was gonna go for the HTC Magic - I had a play around with it and even in its infancy Android just blows WinMo away. However the Magic is a touch underpowered and I was hearing not so pleasant things about Video.
Cue the Hero and I was about to jump onto it until... I read about the lag. I couldn't believe it - I didn't want another device that I had to fiddle with so much just to get it running smoothly. I then checked the HTC specs and it is the same that they use in all their phones - and given the video issues that cause problems for Coreplayer etc. I decided I wasn't gonna tie in to another contract on a phone which really should be good but with too many niggles to leave you disappointed.
I then went into the Apple Store to try out the new 3GS and was blown away by the speed, the apps, the seemless integration of everything and realised that it had finally come of age and it would be next device (which it is). It is the closest thing to an all in one device - nothing else comes close. Android will eventually - in fact I would argue in 18 months time it will have surpassed the iPhone and Apples policy of drip feeding features which should be standard. However HTC really needs to change the internals and start upgrading their processors etc. They have designed the most beautiful interface with Sense UI but their hardware just fails to match....
I say this as somebody who really did NOT want to get an Iphone but realised that the competition is still a bit behind and to be fair it is a fantastic device (of course not without its flaws but these are ones that I can live with). I hope my next device will be Android - I suspect though it won't be a HTC device....

fuzzmo said:
However HTC really needs to change the internals and start upgrading their processors etc. They have designed the most beautiful interface with Sense UI but their hardware just fails to match....
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To be honest, I'm not sure I agree with this. The hardware is perfectly capable - you just need to realize that if you have a lot running, it will slow the phone down. Thus far though, from my perspective at least, lag has not been a particular issue - yes, it is there, but it is not ever present (at least for me) and even when it does occur is really is only a minor hiccup. I can happily run MyTracks when walking and surf the web at the same time, and then take a phone call, or do any number of other things, but I appreciate that if I want to do them all at one it is going to be slower.
The iPhone will rarely suffer this kind of issue all the while that Apple mandate that 3rd party applications can't multi-task. I understand their point regarding the user experience, but surely they could allow a user to override this via a system setting.
I get the Apple experience - I really do! I have an iMac and a MacBook, but I really don't like the restrictions they're placing on the iPhone and the App Store, plus I should be able to decide what applications I install on my device.
The problem with the iPhone IMHO, is not the hardware or the software, but the fact that Apple seem to be of the opinion that you don't own your phone, you've just leased it from them!
Regards,
Dave

I used a iPhone as (and various other LG / Samsung dumb phones) my primary phone before I got my HTC Hero. I've been on the borderline weather to sell my HTC hero or not, I've decided not to for now... but it depends on what comes of any updates (if any).
At the end of the day - in my opinion - Android is as good as the iPhone software but only that 'as good' it does nothing better (and that's not saying much!) and I can see why some people comming from an iPhone might be disappointed... very disappointed.

foxmeister said:
The problem with the iPhone IMHO, is not the hardware or the software, but the fact that Apple seem to be of the opinion that you don't own your phone, you've just leased it from them!
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Yep... nothing quite like an arse in a black turtle neck jumper telling you what you can and can't do with a device that will cost you a grand in total is there

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Some good points there. I'm not sure the Hero will be able to upgrade to Donut. I understand its out the loop. I might be wrong though.
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Why would hero not get donut? Even if not officially released by HTC which would be odd, a 3rd party ROM will be released just like G1, Magic

Man this phone is just dropping the ball for me, I used it as an mp3 player tonight while I was at the gym and audio quality through the supplied headphones was not very good. There is no bass at all in the music and no option to adjust an equalizer, after a while the high treble and no bass started to give me a headache. Well I think this just pushed me to my answer, Hero is a sweet phone with incredible possibilities but I literally have a problem with 90% of the functions being inferior to iphone (other than phone freedom and customizations). It makes me sad because I was so excited for this phone and so bored with my iphone, but I just have to stick with what works the best. Hopefully these issues can get polished up real quick.

The future of the Nexus S

Every day new smartphones come out. Faster phones. Better phones. Slicker phones. Especially since Google introduced Android, the smartphone market has got a big boost. Before you know it, your o so special phone isn't so special anymore. You are getting more and more jealous, and then you can't resist anymore. After using phone 1.0 for half a year, you decide to buy phone 2.0, which is faster, better and slicker.
This is probably a recognizable story for some people. Still having the same phone after two years is not done. Besides, getting jealous is inevitable. The trick as a manufacturer is to create a smartphone that is special enough to last even if there are other phones that are faster, better and slicker. Inventing such feature is very hard. If you bring a phone on the market with a dual-core processor today, you can't expect it to be special after a year.
Remaining special is a very common problem for smartphones. You can't prevent phones from getting more advanced technology, but you can try to delay the 'aging' for as long as possible. People will always be complaining though. And within this forum, I've seen this attitude more than ever. For the Nexus S, the 'aging' seems to begin even before the phone is for sale. A 1Ghz processor isn't very special when dual-core's are lurking around the corner. Therefore, the most common question on this forum is 'which phone is better, the Nexus S or ...?' The snag is to buy a smartphone that will last as long as possible. This topic is about the question how long the Nexus S will last.
Faster
Speed is the most important feature of a smartphone. We don't want lag. We want fluent animations, fast multi-touching and smooth browsing. The 1Ghz processor in the Nexus S is certainly not new. In fact, the Nexus One even had a 1Ghz processor, although that was a Snapdragon, and not a Hummingbird. Where the processor in the Nexus One was something new, in the Nexus S it is not so special anymore. Yet the Nexus S is very fast, certainly faster than the Nexus One. It is the fastest device on the market, for the moment at least.
This year will bring us a lot of dual-core phones. Will the Nexus S be outrunned? I don't think so. It is already fast. There is no feature that really needs a stronger processor. Maybe battery-life will be improved with dual-core, but regarding speed, I am not worried. The only thing you need a better processor for, is games. It is going the same way as it did with computers. You don't need quad-core to browse on the web, use Google Maps or edit a Word document. The only reason computers are getting faster and faster is because of the gaming industry. It will go the same way with smartphones. I personally don't need to play big games on my phone. Why would I want that? The screen is too small, and a touchscreen isn't very gaming-friendly. Besides, I have a Xbox 360 at home. I only want to play games like Angry Birds, and Worms on my smartphone. Games you can play in the bus, train or while waiting.
I would rather see every single flash game on the internet playable on my smartphone, then better processors to be able to play games that are more fun to play on my Xbox 360. At the moment there are no features that need a dual-core processor, at least not for me.
Better
You can't be special with speed. If you bring out a 2Ghz dual-core device, you can be sure that within a couple of months somebody else will also bring a 2Ghz dual-core smartphone on the market. An option is to invent your own screen. Samsung has got his 'Super AMOLED', for example, and Apple got the 'Retina' display.
The Super AMOLED on the Nexus S is pretty good. Vibrant, high-contrast colours appeal to a lot of people. Sure, there are some (including me) who like the sharper and more realistic LCD, but you can't say Super AMOLED isn't beautiful. The Nexus S has actually two versions, also one with Super Clear LCD. This is nothing more than a pimped S-LCD, but it's pretty nice, looking at the Samsung Wave II.
But new displays continue to be invented. Super AMOLED plus is coming, as is Sony's 'Reality Display' with Bravia technology, and LG comes with the crystal clear (at least, that is what they claim)
NOVIA display. Whether these displays are really that nice remains to be seen. You can name it whatever you want, in most technologies I don't see much difference.
Is there any threat for the Nexus S regarding the display? Not more than for any other device. The Super AMOLED and the Super Clear LCD are both very good displays, and I don't see anything special enough invented in the next two years that makes the display of the Nexus S look rubbish.
Nexus
As already mentioned, more than ever people seem to complain about the Nexus S. Complaining stems from dissapointment. Dissapointment stems from expectations. And the expectations of the Nexus S were pretty high. This was mostly due to the fact that it's a Nexus, an Android's flagship. The Nexus One had the same expectations. At that time, the whole Nexus-line was unknown, but it was known that the Nexus One would be a 'Google phone'. It was assumed that this possible iPhone Killer would have top-notch hardware and would be very special. The Nexus One was a good device indeed, but not so special as previously thought. There is, of course, a small group who loves the Nexus One, and I may be one of them. But it didn't have the kind of specialty that people where hoping for.
Being special doesn't seem to be the point for a Nexus. I think it's supposed to draw a line. A Nexus shows what Android is capable of at the moment of sale, but that doesn't mean that it got to have the latest hardware.
Anyway, the same mistake people made with the Nexus One, is now made with the Nexus S. The expectations where just to high. I don't think you need the latest hardware to make a good device, but if you don't come up with something special, people will be dissapointed.
P.S. I'll finish this topic later

I think you're missing a key point: if you're a device manufacturer, you prefer that people buy your new products every six months rather than every two years. They only make money when you buy a device. Not that I think there's some massive conspiracy to keep phones behind the cutting edge, but if there were some way they could make a phone so fantastic that you'd never want another phone again, I doubt they would want to sell it.

for what i use a phone for, the ns hardware should be fine for quite a while. android software is what i don't want to be outdated on. shouldn't be an issue with the ns.

you forget that those dual core phones wont be out for 3 or 4 months

To me, it seems like you wrote that whole essay trying to justify your purchase.

zorak950 said:
I think you're missing a key point: if you're a device manufacturer, you prefer that people buy your new products every six months rather than every two years. They only make money when you buy a device. Not that I think there's some massive conspiracy to keep phones behind the cutting edge, but if there were some way they could make a phone so fantastic that you'd never want another phone again, I doubt they would want to sell it.
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It's not a conspiracy, it's called business sense. There's little money in making and selling a perfect, everlasting product. That is the reason incandescent light bulbs last only 1000 hours and inkjet printers screech to a halt after exactly 5000 pages. It's planned obsolescence.
It's also the reason I went for the Nexus S. It doesn't come with planned obsolescence. Google will keep the updates coming much longer than any manufacturer or carrier. If Samsung had updated my I5700 Spica to Android 2.2, I wouldn't have bought the Nexus S. I would even have been willing to pay for the OS update.
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To me, it seems like you wrote that whole essay trying to justify your purchase.
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To me, it seems like you're trolling.

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To me, it seems like you're trolling.
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How so? All he does was saying, "Oh there will be phone with better processor & display than the nexus s but i don't need it." You might not want a quad core processor in your pc, but is it better than a dual core? Yes. So what's the point of this?

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How so? All he does was saying, "Oh there will be phone with better processor & display than the nexus s but i don't need it." You might not want a quad core processor in your pc, but is it better than a dual core? Yes. So what's the point of this?
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Of course it's better, but more important is how MUCH better it is. Where do you need it for?
Oh and by the way, I do not own a Nexus S

I agree that this is a great phone and will be for quite a while. The things that I will be looking for in my next phone, which will likely replace my G2 before this, is a better camera, 5mp is good, but not great, especially once theyre on a computer. I know some people will say well if you want a better camera buy one, and I do have an SLR for real picture taking, but the technology is there to put better cameras in smartphones and Im glad Sony is trying to incorperate that.
Aside from the camera im not sure what else could really make me think 'this phone isnt good enough'. Of course I'll still probably buy 3 more phones this year because I really enjoy trying the latest and greatest in phones but for the average person I think this phone is more than good enough to last the 2 years of their contract.
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA App

Androyed said:
Of course it's better, but more important is how MUCH better it is. Where do you need it for?
Oh and by the way, I do not own a Nexus S
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You said yourself that technology is moving at a very fast pace. Even though android right now doesn't take advantage of the these dual core processor, how would you know that google wouldn't optimize future version of android to fully take advantage of the dual core. This would render device with these newer processor, a faster and smoother experience. With that in mind, saying that dual core processor is not needed isn't exactly a future-proof way of thinking.
ps. I apologize for saying that you're trying to justify the purchase if you didn't own one in the first place.

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You said yourself that technology is moving at a very fast pace. Even though android right now doesn't take advantage of the these dual core processor, how would you know that google wouldn't optimize future version of android to fully take advantage of the dual core. This would render device with these newer processor, a faster and smoother experience. With that in mind, saying that dual core processor is not needed isn't exactly a future-proof way of thinking.
ps. I apologize for saying that you're trying to justify the purchase if you didn't own one in the first place.
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You are right, of course they will optimize it for dual-core. But the question is, do you need it? If your device is already super fast, will there really be a big difference with dual-core? What is faster than super fast? So, untill they bring out a feature that really needs it (except for games), I don't need dual-core. Because the Nexus S with 1Ghz is already amazingly fast, with virtually no lag.

One thing I see people overlook is that the nexus s is indeed a Google phone with updates straight from Google,all of Google's mobile division is behind this phone aswell as the nexus one. I dont know about you but I'd rather have the support of Google making updates for my phone first and having their Dev teams useing the phone I currently have (nexus s) than having a shiny new LG 2x with the oh so great tegra 2 which is the fist iteratation of dual core tegras and with that a little unproven and android isn't really optimized for it yet so it really has no ground apart from Smoother gaming,video play back and web browsing. In the end I would love a dual core nexus but you have in your hand I phone that can do almost everything your p.c can is that something to complain about?

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You are right, of course they will optimize it for dual-core. But the question is, do you need it? If your device is already super fast, will there really be a big difference with dual-core? What is faster than super fast? So, untill they bring out a feature that really needs it (except for games), I don't need dual-core. Because the Nexus S with 1Ghz is already amazingly fast, with virtually no lag.
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If the nexus s will always be on 2.3 then yes the hummingbird processor will be plentiful. Did you see the new honeycomb ui that google demoed at CES? That fluid looking ui seems to use more processing power than even the live wallpaper on stock 2.3 launcher. When the nexus s gets honeycomb, will if still be super fast? What about ice cream? If let's say android 4.0 implements more eye candy, im sure it won't be as smooth anymore compare to these new dual core.
This is assuming you won't change phones when these newer version of android comes out.

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If the nexus s will always be on 2.3 then yes the hummingbird processor will be plentiful. Did you see the new honeycomb ui that google demoed at CES? That fluid looking ui seems to use more processing power than even the live wallpaper on stock 2.3 launcher. When the nexus s gets honeycomb, will if still be super fast? What about ice cream? If let's say android 4.0 implements more eye candy, im sure it won't be as smooth anymore compare to these new dual core.
This is assuming you won't change phones when these newer version of android comes out.
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You think upgrades only make things more processor intensive? Check out Windows 7 compared to Vista plz.
Jeez guys.
First off. Tegra2 is barely better than the Hummingbird. These aren't super phones. They're just great. Wait for the dual core snap dragon and dual core orion. Then Hummingbird and Tegra2 will both be "weak".

Yes, upgrade from vista to 7 isn't more processor intensive, but we're not talking windows are we? I'm sure all of us here can agree that from the video that google posted, honeycomb will use more cpu than gingerbread.
Btw, we're not arguing, it's called constructive argument =)

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If the nexus s will always be on 2.3 then yes the hummingbird processor will be plentiful. Did you see the new honeycomb ui that google demoed at CES? That fluid looking ui seems to use more processing power than even the live wallpaper on stock 2.3 launcher. When the nexus s gets honeycomb, will if still be super fast? What about ice cream? If let's say android 4.0 implements more eye candy, im sure it won't be as smooth anymore compare to these new dual core.
This is assuming you won't change phones when these newer version of android comes out.
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Um that was the tablet version of Honeycomb I am pretty sure the phone version will be different. And I am pretty sure that google is testing all of their future updates on the Nexus S until a new Nexus device is released so all future updates will be optimized for the S...

yea dual-core phones are coming out but so what. I'm good with my nexus S which will do jussst fine. I can guarantee you the next nexus device will pack a dual core processor. Until then, i'll keep nexus S and purchase the G-slate.

Having used the NS for the last 3 weeks, it clearly is a step up from the N1 in terms of performance. The screen is absolutely great and the extra real estate is nice to text on, but my biggest beef with the phone is the build quality.
Clearly, Samsung and Google could have done more. I would have been happy using the NS for the next year if Samsung would have used the material of their new phone, the Infuse, on the NS.

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Um that was the tablet version of Honeycomb I am pretty sure the phone version will be different. And I am pretty sure that google is testing all of their future updates on the Nexus S until a new Nexus device is released so all future updates will be optimized for the S...
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Exactly. And untill then, the Nexus S will be just as good as those dual-core phones, at least for me. Of course, when a new Nexus is released, it will be a lot faster. I think even after a new Nexus is released, the old ones will still get updates for so long they actually 'update' something, and don't make the device slower.
Not only you should buy a Nexus because you get updates fast, or 'normal', as I prefer to say, but also because it just works well. The Nexus S has the same processor as most Android phones, but yet it manages to be a lot faster? It's not magic. It just works well.

Until an android pure phone comes out I don't even look at any of them. I would rather buy a WP7 then a UI and bloatware.

HTC's new phone lineup - are they losing the momentum?

There was an article recently on XDA portal about HTC losing its touch (http://www.xda-developers.com/feature/has-htc-taken-a-back-seat-on-the-innovation-car/#comments); after reviewing the latest products from HTC I must agree that there is some credence to this article.
Save for the Flyer tablet there is nothing new under the HTC sky; same old phones have just got a minor makeover especially the Desire series. I understand that the phone was particularly popular and a big seller, but must they beat this concept to death? Can there be something new on the horizon?
It has been over a year since the release of HD2 and its 1Ghz processor.
Nothing exciting since then. Meanwhile, the company has jumped on the Android platform with a gusto (and so have many others) but still producing subpar cameras, same issues since the old HD, same tech specifications, same old bugs, etc. Not to mention the battery! Even the tablet is entering the race a bit late. Not to mention 3gp video recording and resistive (?!)touch screen
I think there may be a good reason why MS has moved to Nokia instead, their announced partnership does promise something new.
I am a big HTC fan and have been a loyal costumer and would love to see something exciting coming from them but there is nothing yet.
What are your thoughts about this?

I too am a little dissappointed by their upcoming phones. The Desire HD2 is the only one to join the ranks of the dual core processors. Who knows, maybe they're working with Qualcomm and we'll see some devices by the end of the year running their new 2.5GHz single core, dual core and quad core processors.
Heres hoping anyway

I´m not really buying tech specs, I buy a device, a package. Yes, I´m not interested in average products, either.
HTC, among all other fishes in the smartphone pond, has become one of the smallest. They compete with multi-billion dollar companies which are far more powerful, some of them even developers and owners of core and key technology.
HTC has always been a company putting parts made by others together - in other words, they depend strongly on others. They indeed had some momentum with their approach to the total package. Thanks to their solution, the complicated and not-so-easy to handle WinMo became useful, some other good ideas (even if inspired by others) gave them a big group of fans. And finally, they "dared" to start sell and market products under their own brand. This step, by the way, was done not so much time ago.
I do hope they complete and/or correct the lacks and deficits they never got rid of in the past, and that they dare to take new approaches maybe, too.
The small size of the company has been an advantage in the past, now that the rules of the game have changed dramatically (especially in the past 4 years), it might have become a disadvantage. After all, if things go wrong, maybe they´ll go back to their roots: Producing OEM and ODM mass products for others.
The future will show.

The Last original phone to be released was the Desire HD... all the phones since then have been a complete knock of it or just slightly altered specs, design but in the end they all look like the Desire HD
They need a new design team because the current ones are out of ideas

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Even the tablet is entering the race a bit late. Not to mention 3gp video recording and resistive (?!)touch screen
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It's not resistive touch screen
It is capacitative one, it supports capacitive stylus

If this keep's happening i might even go back to the iphone =/

ehh ive moved on from HTC :/

i 'll give htc one more chance , after that i'll go for nokia when it releases wp7

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The Last original phone to be released was the Desire HD... all the phones since then have been a complete knock of it or just slightly altered specs, design but in the end they all look like the Desire HD
They need a new design team because the current ones are out of ideas
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Desire HD was a clone of the HD2 and evo series last origional phone i would was was the Desire & the HD2

What do you expect from HTC? - Snapdragon processor - one of the top-end processors used in mobile devices, 576 of RAM - enough for mobile applications, designed to suit every taste, you can choose from several operating systems (WinMo, WP7, android) / * and to be able to change it on your phone.
The quantity of HTC users is comparable to iPhone users (they are more or less equal in my region).
And I'm almost sure, that less than in a year, HTC will present us a new monster. And I'm glad, that I have HD2, Android breathed a new life into it.
As for me, being one of the top devices for more than 1 Year means something
(from 11/2009)

Iphone 4g, in my opinion is the best,
- but HTC is not bad, it's cheaper (You can buy a good HTC device twice and even more cheaper);
- Different design and ROM solutions;
- Great community

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It's not resistive touch screen
It is capacitative one, it supports capacitive stylus
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I think this may just be wishful thinking on your part. HTC says it is ''touch-sensitive screen'' - they would say it was capacitative if it were so. Gosh, does that mean applying those annoying screen protectors and the resulting air bubbles - on a 7'' screen?! If you take a closer look as to why would one need to use the stylus one could not find a good reason for it. Scribbling doodles on a notepad? No, thanks!
Besides that there is a score of other issues which are going to prove troublesome for the Flyer (other phone models are not even worth mentioning):
- entering the Android tablet market late and with sub-features in comparison to competition + video recording is limited to 3gp (can't even remember what that looks like). Take a look at Galaxy Tab video quality http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/01/samsung-galaxy-tab-review/
- inferior screen quality and video playback
- at least the new Android version and not the old one (they say it may get upgraded but that is B.S., it should already be on it.)
- proposed high price
The only features which is better is a 1.5 Ghz processor.
When you enter a certain market late you try to have something different and better than your competition, such as, let's say 8'' or 9'' screen, better camera, nicer and larger screen resolution, etc.
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Desire HD was a clone of the HD2 and evo series last origional phone i would was was the Desire & the HD2
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Absolutely agree. They came up with a Snapdragon processor and the largest mobile screen over a year ago and that was it. If it weren't for the phone's ability to carry several different OS' I think most of us would have already moved on. Don't get me wrong, I love my HD2 for all the things I mentioned above but it is time to upgrade and save for another revamped HD2 clone (HD7) there is nothing out there on the HTC's market.
I started another thread after MS and Nokia announced their new partnership 'threat to HTC' because I felt that MS was ditching HTC and it seems that this feeling was right on the mark. Somebody said that HTC eschewed dual core for now because they have something better up their sleeve , that they are going to release something revolutionary later this year, blah blah blah, but I disagree. The mobile market is a fast and merciless one; if you don't move fast and be on the top or at least close enough you lose/bomb with the consumers. One does not show up at MWC just for the sake of showing up, you put your best on the line. I am afraid with its 'new' lineup HTC has lost it which makes me really sad because I loved their products.

"The Flyer has a capacitive touchscreen with what's been known as an active digitizer, although N-Trig's hesitant about using that term to describe its wares." from Endgadget
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/15/a-closer-look-at-the-htc-flyers-screen-and-stylus-aka-htc-scri/
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I stand corrected! But do you think that given everything else on this device it will sell well in a highly competitive market?
Seriously, 3gp, poor video playback?

I don't think HTC have list the plot here, why keep up when they can skip a mediocre generation of duel core CPUs when they can have a quad core set in the same year which probably will have longer shelf life.
They are doing the right thing
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Totally agree
Jake.VR said:
What do you expect from HTC? - Snapdragon processor - one of the top-end processors used in mobile devices, 576 of RAM - enough for mobile applications, designed to suit every taste, you can choose from several operating systems (WinMo, WP7, android) / * and to be able to change it on your phone.
The quantity of HTC users is comparable to iPhone users (they are more or less equal in my region).
And I'm almost sure, that less than in a year, HTC will present us a new monster. And I'm glad, that I have HD2, Android breathed a new life into it.
As for me, being one of the top devices for more than 1 Year means something
(from 11/2009)
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You have to give HTC credit though, as they were able to sell the same phone with a different name. Lets hope they dont run out of names before chips.
Unless they go round again and just put a dual core in the shell and call it desire HD x 2 then we could have x3 and so on.
heres hoping HTC get some imagination

Convince me the iPhone 5 will bring nothing worthwhile...

So I can pick up my new S3.
I've been wanting to switch forever to Android, but to me the hardware wasn't always quite there. Now that phones have caught up, I'm itching to go upgrade. However, I know the iPhone 5 is being released in just a little bit, so I'm going to hate myself if I don't at least hear what the 5 is going to have. My guess is NFC and a larger screen, but I can't imagine what else they could bring hardware wise. I love my Iphone, don't get me wrong, but I'm guessing hardware will barely change and to me Ios6 doesn't look like it will bring a lot of innovation to the market.
I'm such a nerd though, I use to have an HTC with Windows Mobile and modded the hell out of that thing. It was the most fun I've ever had with a phone, but the camera on it was horrible, which is pretty important in my eyes.

Does this forum looks like Android-Buy-Me-Forum? Dude, make your own decisions...nobody, I mean nobody can tell or convince you which phones you prefers. Iphone has their own advantages so does Android.
Everyone using Android will say Android is better, so if you go to an Iphone forum, the same will happen. If you want to use a phone with stability, nothing changes over time, everything goes well everytime, go to the Iphone. If you are someone who likes to tweaks your phone, able to set your own personal ringtone without going to iTunes, go to Android. Simple as that

Camera on the SGS3 is awesome, it has NFC, Android has had turn by turn navigation for years, you can do anything with Android you want, the quad core CPU is awesome if you watch videos receive an email or text and just hit the pop out play button to watch the video and check the email or text.
You aren't bound to what a company says a phone should be able to do, you don't like the stock rom flash a custom rom. The UI looks different in different versions of Android. All share cast allows you to share whats on the screen with a TV whether its a slide show of holiday pics or a video.
Google now trumps siri in so many ways (when JB comes) you can just copy files to any PC, no installing iTunes on all PCs you want to share things with.
Any other reasons you need?

Well I certainly know the differences, but I thank everyone for their input. My thought process about the iPhone was always hardware as I stated before. I never really enjoyed iOS, at least when I purchased for4. For the first iPhone 3, I'm sure a lot of us could agree it was probably the best OS out at the time. When the 4 came out, it seemed like the best hardware compared to others as well, but iOS was falling behind.
But now, I don't know whats up Apples sleeve. I mean, what could they possible bring to the table that will provide the wow factor hardware wise? NFC won't do it, I even think wireless charging wouldn't do it. A slightly larger screen and maybe a better camera? 3d? All stuff is either standard now or a cheesy gimmick. That's why i love the S3, because it has the hardware, plus we all know Android is fantastic.

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Well I certainly know the differences, but I thank everyone for their input. My thought process about the iPhone was always hardware as I stated before. I never really enjoyed iOS, at least when I purchased for4. For the first iPhone 3, I'm sure a lot of us could agree it was probably the best OS out at the time. When the 4 came out, it seemed like the best hardware compared to others as well, but iOS was falling behind.
But now, I don't know whats up Apples sleeve. I mean, what could they possible bring to the table that will provide the wow factor hardware wise? NFC won't do it, I even think wireless charging wouldn't do it. A slightly larger screen and maybe a better camera? 3d? All stuff is either standard now or a cheesy gimmick. That's why i love the S3, because it has the hardware, plus we all know Android is fantastic.
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Iphone's screen will never compare to the GS3, better camera get the Nokia N8 with a 12MP camera, 3d get the LG Optimus 3d, these are already out there Apple will just be copying everyone implementing things we don't see in the SGS3.
Also lets not forget the hardware in the iPhone is all Samsung hardware, so iPhone is made by Samsung as well. Any hardware Apple could improve over SGS3 (CPU, GPU, screen) will drain your battery which you cannot replace. with the SGS3 if you need it you can carry a spare battery with you and just swap it over when the awesome hardware drains the battery.

Well first off, it's an iPhone... While they may be popular, Samsung has over thrown Apple's control of the market share."Everyone that's popular, cool, rich has to have one right???" No -_- the SGS3 cost more than the iPhone, so that marks off rich people. I am pretty da*n cool and popular, that marks the others off cuz I have an SGS3. It has a quad core while Apple is just now getting into the dual core waters. Battery life is amazing. GPU is the best around. Dev support, not locked down. Jelly bean smoothness on the way.
I mean c'mon if you seriously have doubts on getting an iDevice and becoming an iSheep, then leave XDA. Unless your job forces you (which I would still try my hardest to avoid) to have an iPhone, steer clear and enjoy your freedom.

I don't know why you say the iPhone had the best hardware, it wasn't hardware that made it smooth, it was software optimisation.
The 4S is using an underclocked dual core processor and it only has 512mb of ram.
Hardware has never been apples game, they just optimised the sh*t out of iOS.
Also objective C is faster than Java. (iOS and Android coding languages respectively)
Hardware was nearly always better on high end android handsets (no point comparing a 59.99 low end Android to a 700 quid iPhone, although most people that say Android is **** base their opinions on that.) Because it had to be, the os wasn't refined as much as iOS because there were so many oems, chip manufacturers etc. there were so many variables.
Now with JB Android has really found its feet, JB is the release that Android deserves as a platform, it is the one that will win non-technical people over with the ease of use and of course the fact that it oozes butter all over the place.
So to get to the point, iOS is dated, Android is growing better with every release. Vote Android.
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Well I certainly know the differences, but I thank everyone for their input. My thought process about the iPhone was always hardware as I stated before. I never really enjoyed iOS, at least when I purchased for4. For the first iPhone 3, I'm sure a lot of us could agree it was probably the best OS out at the time. When the 4 came out, it seemed like the best hardware compared to others as well, but iOS was falling behind.
But now, I don't know whats up Apples sleeve. I mean, what could they possible bring to the table that will provide the wow factor hardware wise? NFC won't do it, I even think wireless charging wouldn't do it. A slightly larger screen and maybe a better camera? 3d? All stuff is either standard now or a cheesy gimmick. That's why i love the S3, because it has the hardware, plus we all know Android is fantastic.
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Well its possible for the iphone5 to be better spec wise (cpu, gpu). If you're into gaming, it seems developers always put out the best versions of their mobile games for apple's product so that could be a plus for you. Other than that, I don't think anyone knows what's going to be in it.

georaldc said:
Well its possible for the iphone5 to be better spec wise (cpu, gpu). If you're into gaming, it seems developers always put out the best versions of their mobile games for apple's product so that could be a plus for you. Other than that, I don't think anyone knows what's going to be in it.
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if he's into gaming then he should get a console or a PC.
to the OP, you said so, you want to change to android, sgs3 is a great way to make that change, the iphone 5 could be good but we don't know yet besides, if you like freedom then android is your choice.
my recommendation is, wait till the iphone release and pick one by then, if you come to our world you will enjoy it and never leave, trust me.

If he's in the us his gs3 won't be a quad core . But it will have 2 gigs of ram and be fast as hell. I'd go with the gs3. In fact I am going to the gs3 lol. I have the gs2 right now.
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Apple will never compete in hardware spec with Android because there are so many android devices come out every 4-6 months with higher spec. Apple will never catch up on that department.
Maybe there will be new softwares in Iphone5. But whatever software offered in Iphone5 will be available for Iphone4.
So basically, there is nothing, I mean really nothing worthwhile that Iphone5 will bring to you.
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Convince me that this thread was really needed? There are many people waiting for new iphone to come out so that they can compare it with GSIII and make their decision. What if everyone wants to be convinced?

I am in the US and i have the Quad core version....
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Is this some cheap way of getting the fanboys stocked up?!
Read how unimpressive IO6 with the features that are coming out and the compelling but unsiteresting hardware underneath it. Besides you know what your getting with apple tbh, there hardly surprising anyone as much as they used to these days, but incremental change has its merits.
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Does it still depend on itunes? Y/N?
If Y goto 10
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I have to admit something about those apples
I have repaires alot of samsungs and my first 4s a while ago
Build quality is something apple does better to my opinion
Not trying to hate on the plastic s3 that cracks when handled ruff
Just saying i prefer apples build quality (ill never get one tho) well if somebody gives me one sponsored i wont say no offcourse but purshasing it myself ?
I think for ppl that like apple build quality and dont like os from apple they can
Put android on it ? Lets face it this is XDA
Samsung need to notch up the build quality and then the phones would be ok
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Just wait and get your iPhone with NFC and everyone will think it will be the first phone to have it
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Anything Apple makes you a ***** to iTunes. End. Of. Sorry.
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That's why iPod 3rd gen has been sitting in a drawer for over a year. Itunes sucks.
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The Iphone(5) isn't out yet! besides, it sounds like you want a phone because it could be more popular not because of the functions. If you want a stylish phone have a look for the sony ericsson p900i

WOW!! OPO Still has Better Stats than "Apple's Plus"

:laugh:
Don't get me wrong. I like Apple Devices too. I own a Mac Air, AppleTV, etc. but all this hype and a $349 phone has better stats? Yeah, it has 64-bit but really nothing else. I hope OPO remains successful because this is the way mobile needs to go in the States. We have crappy providers, with crappy costs, with no "real" competition. The only way to combat this is with non-subsidized phones. This goes also for the crappy "Edge" type programs too which are essentially up-charged subsidized phones for people who like to upgrade on a regular basis. Now I have a phone that is $349, as good as 3 newer "FLAGSHIP" phones and I am not commit to any carrier... hell, $349 will be the 2-year subsidized cost of the 64GB iPhone 6+.... I am sure tooo that ETF's will go up... mark my words... since essentially you could get a iPhone 6+ 64GB for $349 on contract... cancel for $375... That's $725 which is definitely less than the $849 non-contract sticker price... hell I might even sell some if old Big Red & Big Blue don't close that loop hole.... I am sure though they thought of it and watch if ETF's won't end up being tiered like data...

Yeah I admit it is a good looking phone. But I think it is funny that apple is finally getting 1080 res when android has "been there, done that" and is going QHD. Bottom line though..... Apple will be getting a lot of people back that went to android for the larger screen.
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Imo 64bit on a phone without at least 4gb of RAM is just plain dumb.

I love android, and I love my one, but I'm going back to the iPhone, something about it, idk. I just like it.
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nicholaschum said:
Imo 64bit on a phone without at least 4gb of RAM is just plain dumb.
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Supposedly you need at least 3gb to notice anything at all.
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Supposedly you need at least 3gb to notice anything at all.
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nicholaschum said:
Imo 64bit on a phone without at least 4gb of RAM is just plain dumb.
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you guys should read that
http://www.androidcentral.com/why-64-bit-processors-really-matter-android
Qoute from the Author "And for heaven's sake — stop saying the big deal about 64-bit hardware is the ability to use more than 4GB of RAM."

ilea94 said:
you guys should read that
http://www.androidcentral.com/why-64-bit-processors-really-matter-android
Qoute from the Author "And for heaven's sake — stop saying the big deal about 64-bit hardware is the ability to use more than 4GB of RAM."
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I know what I'm talking about. I never said it was bad, I'm saying its just not feasible.
A 64bit architecture utilizes memory more efficiently and more extensively, hence running with more RAM would be more favourable with a 64bit architecture.
Being dumb doesn't mean that I'm saying IT must have at least 4gb RAM, I said in my opinion, I would rather have more RAM with 64bit than 1gb RAM Apple provides. Also I would rather have a computer with 4gb RAM using 64 bit and not 512mb RAM using 64bit.
There's a difference between myself and the link you sent me, I'm not saying you need 64bit to run 4gb RAM, I'm saying running 64bit on 1gb is just "what's the point?".

nicholaschum said:
I know what I'm talking about. I never said it was bad, I'm saying its just not feasible.
A 64bit architecture utilizes memory more efficiently and more extensively, hence running with more RAM would be more favourable with a 64bit architecture.
Being dumb doesn't mean that I'm saying IT must have at least 4gb RAM, I said in my opinion, I would rather have more RAM with 64bit than 1gb RAM Apple provides. Also I would rather have a computer with 4gb RAM using 64 bit and not 512mb RAM using 64bit.
There's a difference between myself and the link you sent me, I'm not saying you need 64bit to run 4gb RAM, I'm saying running 64bit on 1gb is just "what's the point?".
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Hm well the link explains "what´s the point?".
But i agree with you about the rest

I changed my iPhone 5s to OPO few months ago, and after presentation iPhone 6 I'm still thinking that it was good idea! :laugh:

since at least iphone 4s apple just runs after the android devices in specs and features.
i cannot imagine a point why to buy apple at this time.

Lugke said:
since at least iphone 4s apple just runs after the android devices in specs and features.
i cannot imagine a point why to buy apple at this time.
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100% agreed! I mean if apple can sue Samsung for billions of dollars why can't Samsung/HTC/Motorola/LG strike back? I'm still waiting for that to happen! Apple is annoying and ignorantly expensive!

As I was watching the Live Blog for Apple's event yesterday every time they said something I found myself saying "Yep...already have that..." In most cases they're features I've had for for over 2 years since I jumped ship from Apple. One of my friends was shocked that I've had NFC payments for the last 2 years with Google Wallet. "But but but you can't use it anywhere like iPay!" "....Yes... I can and have... NFC is NFC. If it has it both devices will work there...". He was trying to say iPay was more secure as his phone is locked and can be unlocked with his thumb. I go "MY FACE can unlock my phone...". When I saw the new Keyboard being demonstrated I literally help up SwiftKey keyboard I had installed and it was identical.
Last years iPhone5S I expected no real new features. They added the thumb print reader. But it was a refresh year. The iPhone6 and iPhone6 Plus are supposed to be leading products with new features... and everything "new" was a direct rip that Android has been doing for in most cases up to 2 years. It's sad to see Apple loose their innovation where they used to be the leaders.
The only thing I was impressed with was the Camera and display quality. I'll start with the display. Low PPI and resolution aside it is a improvement. Full RGB support means colors will pop a lot better. However unsure of what they say vs what it really looks like. So far, even though I now hate Samsung phones, my Galaxy S4 had the best color quality with its AMOLED screen. The Camera. So far I've had Galaxy S4, Nexus 5, and OnePlus for Android devices. My Nexus 5 was on par with my iPhone 4S, shot the same quality pictures with the same ease of use. The Galaxy S4 was horrible and a step far down from my iPhone 4S. The OnePlus camera is mixed. At times I get better quality shots than the Nexus 5 I had, but half the time they're worse. Under different shooting conditions everything changes. The optics and image stablzation and such they toot in the new iPhone6 makes me think they have made a even larger step forward with their cameras. Their Camera app also is AMAZING and very fined tuned to adjust the camera focus, aperture, and such automatically for you so you get great shots consistently, something I see lacking in many Android camera apps.. they simply don't adjust as fast to lighting conditions and such as iOS Camera app.
Anyway just my .02

ilea94 said:
you guys should read that
http://www.androidcentral.com/why-64-bit-processors-really-matter-android
Qoute from the Author "And for heaven's sake — stop saying the big deal about 64-bit hardware is the ability to use more than 4GB of RAM."
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Although this article does touch on additional benefits of 64 bit architecture, It's primary focus seems to me to be more about the new features of the new ARMv8 architecture. I would argue that many of the new features of the ARMv8 are not 64bit specific and could also be included in a 32bit chip.
For Android, the story is not simply 64-bit, but really more about the new ARMv8 Architecture. In addition to enabling 64-bit applications, ARMv8 brings a host of improvements in power efficiency as well as performance that have a direct and significant impact on nearly every 32-bit Android application in the market today.
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In fact, the article mentions only two benefits that are 64 bit specific.
they afford higher performance for applications coded to use the 64-bit features, and larger memory addressing for the operating system and multiple applications.
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So in summary,
Without 64 bit software, the only added benefit to 64bit is larger memory addressing. There are additional benefits that will come with a new ARMv8 spec but they could be implemented in a 32 bit chip as well.
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He was trying to say iPay was more secure as his phone is locked and can be unlocked with his thumb. I go "MY FACE can unlock my phone...". When I saw the new Keyboard being demonstrated I literally help up SwiftKey keyboard I had installed and it was identical.
Last years iPhone5S I expected no real new features. They added the thumb print reader. But it was a refresh year. The iPhone6 and iPhone6 Plus are supposed to be leading products with new features... and everything "new" was a direct rip that Android has been doing for in most cases up to 2 years. It's sad to see Apple loose their innovation where they used to be the leaders.
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Anyway just my .02
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It's typical, they add new to the iPhone features and tout them as groundbreaking. My 3 1/2 yr old Motorola Atrix 4g had a fingerprint reader to unlock the phone............. Apple releases TouchID and the fingerprint scanner last year and suddenly what's old is new again.
They do make sexy devices, just wish they weren't locked down, expensive and tied to a bloated piece of [email protected] software called itunes.

Well I personally don't have any Apple products, mainly because it was always an arm's length out of my price range, I'd have to say that I disagree with everyone here.
Well, mainly the ones bashing the company and it's choices.
Even though the biggest difference in terms of hardware is the processor being 64 bit rather than our 32 bit systems, I'd have to say Apple has a pretty solid build and standard. Granted that EVERY company has their flaws, I'd have to applaud Apple this time around.
Now, for the part where someone said "Oh 64bit processor without at least 4gb ram, that's dumb!"
Not quite. Apple's optimization is off the charts. Scary good actually. The 5s had 1gb of ram, and my old Amaze 4g had 1gb of ram. The 5s had a duo core 1.3ghz processor, my Amaze had a duo core 1.5ghz (O/C'd to 1.7ghz) processor.
Needless to say the iPhone was faster and more fluent in ALL of the tasks as compared to my phone which lagged and stuttered here and there.
It's all about optimization when it comes to Apple.
If I didn't have a OnePlus One and if I were a rich man, I'd definitely get myself an iPhone 6.

You (and the author) are confusing "64 bit" with other things like "more registers". Yes, the ARM processors that deliver 64 bit generally include OTHER advances that are actually nice, but 64 bit itself is a separable aspect of the design. Without knowing many of the details of the A8 processor, we can't say if any of these advances are actually present (or used). As such, you shouldn't translate the comments about "64 bit" with any other improvements that went into the chip design Apple is using.
That said, I can't seem to find any reliable statement on memory in the iphone 6, although many sources say it is still limited to 1GB of RAM. If so, it seems that the biggest changes are the new A8 SoC, screen size and onboard storage (option). Even the 64 bit capable chip isn't stated as being run as 64 bit, and for compatibility with most apps, it likely is still running as a 32 bit chip.

If the iPhone 6 plus 64gb costs less, I would use it, but at this price, triple the price of a OnePlus no.
I used an iPhone 5 for a couple of days as my primary device, love the ecosystem, everything just works, most apps I need are there and work fine, but I was unable to support the small screen size and the fixed single keyboard option. now with the bigger screens and with iOS 8 keyboard feature I can use one.
Currently on my Android device, I have at least 10 apps related to root/backup/kernel/etc, with iOS i don't need to bother about those stuff, iCloud backs up all apps, no need for kernels, cpu managers, root, and it just works.... but this comes at a cost: MUCH MORE $$$s

The talks about the new line of iPhones with meager specs are so pointless. iOS doesnt need to run all these 4GB of ram and whatever specs you want to throw at it to run smooth. iOS is optimzed way better than android and personally I see android never running as smooth and seemless are iOS. I know some will say if you have a GPE device, yeah I been there and done that and they are smooth but its something about iOS thats the top of the food chain when it comes to optimization. I am avid Android person and I love all tech and all that was missing for me was a bigger screen and they have that now so I may find myself pre-oreding one tonight.
Yeah android has had these features for years (NFC) but out of the majority of people (im not talking about us because we are tech heads and know about all features!) honestly know about NFC and know the benefits of it? Since Apple has came out now and introduced NFC payments, it will be mainstreamed now and it will be known by everyone now. Its sad the way that will work but it is what it is.
If you are a true tech head like myself then you have to know and respect both platforms and know that iOS is a premium OS where everything works and you know you have a reliable device, sad to say I cant say that about all android phones. They are getting better but even though they have killer specs when compared to the iPhone, Android is still behind...

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The talks about the new line of iPhones with meager specs are so pointless. iOS doesnt need to run all these 4GB of ram and whatever specs you want to throw at it to run smooth. iOS is optimzed way better than android and personally I see android never running as smooth and seemless are iOS. I know some will say if you have a GPE device, yeah I been there and done that and they are smooth but its something about iOS thats the top of the food chain when it comes to optimization. I am avid Android person and I love all tech and all that was missing for me was a bigger screen and they have that now so I may find myself pre-oreding one tonight.
Yeah android has had these features for years (NFC) but out of the majority of people (im not talking about us because we are tech heads and know about all features!) honestly know about NFC and know the benefits of it? Since Apple has came out now and introduced NFC payments, it will be mainstreamed now and it will be known by everyone now. Its sad the way that will work but it is what it is.
If you are a true tech head like myself then you have to know and respect both platforms and know that iOS is a premium OS where everything works and you know you have a reliable device, sad to say I cant say that about all android phones. They are getting better but even though they have killer specs when compared to the iPhone, Android is still behind...
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I agree with singer of what you said but android is open source and there is no "ecosystem"control. With iOS the system is designed for one device using only approved hardware. It's much easier to control the look and feel and performance of an OS when it's designed for one set of devices.
I can't stand iOS but that's because it's too simplified and childish in my opinion.

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Now, for the part where someone said "Oh 64bit processor without at least 4gb ram, that's dumb!"
Not quite. Apple's optimization is off the charts. Scary good actually. The 5s had 1gb of ram, and my old Amaze 4g had 1gb of ram. The 5s had a duo core 1.3ghz processor, my Amaze had a duo core 1.5ghz (O/C'd to 1.7ghz) processor.
Needless to say the iPhone was faster and more fluent in ALL of the tasks as compared to my phone which lagged and stuttered here and there.
It's all about optimization when it comes to Apple.
If I didn't have a OnePlus One and if I were a rich man, I'd definitely get myself an iPhone 6.
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No offence but Apple's optimization really is off the charts. It's total ****. Have you tried running Mac OS X 64bit on a 1gb computer? Kernel tasks rack up the computer's processor and RAM so quickly I get stuck on 8mb RAM left. I removed Mac OS X on my computer and kept it with 100% Windows.
Now let's forget about computer software and talk mobile software. The fact that you're introducing 64 bit on a phone that you didn't change in terms of specs, especially the RAM, think about it, dismissing the 64 bit-ness of this, if you were to load higher quality thumbnails and images to render the operating system due to a larger screen....remaining on 1GB of RAM won't help, as well as the 64 bit "optimizations" built in.
The only optimizations that were good, can't compare to an Android, where multitasking actually means multitasking. Apple's optimization is to deep sleep an app when you try to multitask, and that's not optimizing back in the day, to optimize means you make a certain action more efficient. If I can multitask the real way, and be optimized, as well as on the 64bit architecture, only Android will take advantage of this, because it has both the hardware and soon the software to take care of this. Or rather launching an app in 64 bit mode instead of 32bit mode, with sufficient RAM, your performance would be much better.
"Needless to say the iPhone was faster and more fluent in ALL of the tasks as compared to my phone which lagged and stuttered here and there." it is because of the natural interactive governor on the iPhone where the CPU anticipates the touching of the screen and racks up CPU to predict it. Google tried to mimic this but haven't succeeded until 4.3-4.4. Anticipating touch input is a nice touch, but if the iPhone ran on good Android-esque specs, that would be much better - that's all I'm saying.