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It looks like the Acer is, in fact, selling well!
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/05/19/acer.iconia.tab.sales.exceed.demand/
"The Iconia Tab has received lukewarm reviews......"
Haven't seen many "lukewarm" reviews most have been very positive.
Very impressive if thats true.
Seems like all the tech people want a transformer or xoom though.. seeing as those forums are so much more alive then this one is. Probably also because of the bootloader..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqHZ6bR0kZw
The description alone sickens me.
wow... I feel dumber now. That kid has no business talking about any piece of hardware, especially one he has no understand of.
-kesnik
He clearly thinks its way too complicated to use a lockscreen. What was really funny was he would quickly murmer stupid ass things under his breath to make it seem funny. Example... "The battery life is not what you would expect it to be.... yeeeahh."
All I heard was Apple has this, iPhone has this, he doesnt even know the Xoom is the first actual tablet running a real tablet OS.
All in favor of punching the crap outta this guy say aye. AYE!!!!
Couldn't even finish watching the whole thing. It seemed like the video was made on impulse as he blindly fires off inaccurate facts ( the one that got me was mixing up the USB and HDMI). I can see why it only has 59 views.
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Simple OS for simple people I suppose. Unless you jailbreak and such, after about a month or so the apple OS gets boring to me.
I stopped the video when he wasn't sure if it had 4G I mean LTE that is what Verizon calls it right? So in other words he doesn't know what hardware the device has but qualifies himself to review the device. OK,.. next
That's why my jailbroken itouch has been sitting in my junkdrawer since I got my Droid X a year ago. There's only so much you can tinker with before it gets monotonous. Plus the battery has gotten so bad it only works plugged in.
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I stopped the video when he wasn't sure if it had 4G I mean LTE that is what Verizon calls it right? So in other words he doesn't know what hardware the device has but qualifies himself to review the device. OK,.. next
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But isn't that what makes apple fanboys fans of apple "Simple devices for simple people"?
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What a fool. That video didn't even deserve my time. I certainly hope he doesn't handle his iPad like he did that Xoom, I'm sure it wouldn't be able to stand up to that kind of abuse...
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But isn't that what makes apple fanboys fans of apple "Simple devices for simple people"?
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Exactly thats why they only have one button anymore than that and its too confusing for them.
My ping is 24 MEGA SECONDS... wtf
Yes, but I suppose there has to be a device for every type of person. It's just annoying how people try to compare the devices (iPad vs Xoom) when they are both at opposite ends (proprietary - open source) of the spectrum each with there pros and cons.
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My ping is 24 MEGA SECONDS... wtf
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LOOOL....:-D I didn't catch that in the video. Must have been in the part I didn't watch.
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I was trying to watch with an open mind until he said he had 34 mega second ping. What's that...about a year? This will make for some pretty long scrabble games.
It's a worthwhile clip in regards to UX. The person has difficulty grasping the HC UI, as he himself admitted a couple of times. That would be an issue Android needs to address, once HC gets out of beta, as I think he is representative of the larger population.
I don't think it's to anyone's benefit to act superior and nitpick on the person's lack of technical acumen. Nothing indicates that he has a pro-Apple or anti-Android bias. He had prior experience with the iPad, and would naturally use it as a yardstick. Given the market penetration the iPad will have had once Android (and other platforms) finally gets going, I think it will be true of many.
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It's a worthwhile clip in regards to UX. The person has difficulty grasping the HC UI, as he himself admitted a couple of times. That would be an issue Android needs to address, once HC gets out of beta, as I think he is representative of the larger population.
I don't think it's to anyone's benefit to act superior and nitpick on the person's lack of technical acumen. Nothing indicates that he has a pro-Apple or anti-Android bias. He had prior experience with the iPad, and would naturally use it as a yardstick. Given the market penetration the iPad will have had once Android (and other platforms) finally gets going, I think it will be true of many.
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I'm pretty sure the larger population would know better and try to learn about their device before they use it (as they would naturally be afraid of doing something wrong). Especially before making a video of it. The name "ILIVONMYIphone" (I live on my iPhone) and the smart remarks he made doesn't signify he's pro apple? And I don't think anybody is acting superior to him. But it's also not to anyone's benefit to watch an uninformative and biased review such as that.
If names and labels were an indication of credibility, then you may want to change yours.
What I've read in this thread is a bunch of Android fanboys making fun of a non-techie's experience and acting snobbish.
[Insert nerd snort] Yah my comments were a little snarky. My damn android-fanboitis was acting up a little bit.
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There are some names that are, and some that aren't. My name is clearly a joke and also what this discussion is not about. And if he was a "non-techie" he wouldn't have an ipad, iphone, heck he wouldn't even have a youtube. So he obviously has some sort of tech knowledge. Especially claiming "...its more outdated then the iPad 1 and iPhone 3GS or 4. I think the 3GS would be faster than it." (which also indicates he's pro apple). Also, there is a huge difference in android fanboys and people who just see a bad review. Not because of what they were reviewing or anything. Just the fact that it was biased, and uninformative makes it horrible. There are xoom bashing videos where they at least got the specs right. And those are fine.
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If names and labels were an indication of credibility, then you may want to change yours.
What I've read in this thread is a bunch of Android fanboys making fun of a non-techie's experience and acting snobbish.
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Since we are on a Xoom forum, I would expect posters here to be somewhat offended at what seemed to be a poorly made, derisive review of a complex device that we are working hard to master. Maybe we should just be completely objective and rise above the negativity, but I for one feel protective of the Xoom and the Xoom community, and want it to be successful, so our wonderful developers can continue to invest their hard work to support it.
So I was looking @ chinese devices and I saw this one at chinagrabber.com and would like to know what u all think. Its called the gs-708. I want a tab that runs gingerbread with decent specs, duel cameras and supports 3g and sim cards. Advice is welcome. Didn't know where else to post this. I know the nookis an easy device to root but imlooking for a device with a little more to offer. Idealized there will be little to no device support but I am learning to work with devices.
Here's the link.
http://chinagrabber.com/gs-708-cell...---android-2-3-tablet-pc---3g-flash-10-4.aspx
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So I was looking @ chinese devices and I saw this one at chinagrabber.com and would like to know what u all think. Its called the gs-708. I want a tab that runs gingerbread with decent specs, duel cameras and supports 3g and sim cards. Advice is welcome. Didn't know where else to post this
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Link to the device?
You'll probably have more luck in the General Android area than here. Or even on AndroidTablets.net
Try out Slatedroid
http://www.slatedroid.com/
They have info on the chinese tablets
MK
A word of warning. Chinese vendors have recently released a multitude of tablets that look nice on the outside and act nice when you first turn it on. The problem that's been floating around the internet is that they often die after a few days. These are cheap imitations of the real thing.
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First, it was the Iped. Now, it's the Apad. There's also the Superpad. There's a reason they name them so closely to the Ipad.
I don't mean to put down foreign companies. But we really do have to watch out for these fake tablets.
GS-708 tablet
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So I was looking @ chinese devices and I saw this one at chinagrabber.com and would like to know what u all think. Its called the gs-708. I want a tab that runs gingerbread with decent specs, duel cameras and supports 3g and sim cards. Advice is welcome. Didn't know where else to post this. I know the nookis an easy device to root but imlooking for a device with a little more to offer. Idealized there will be little to no device support but I am learning to work with devices.
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ww. Apad.tv forums has a thread on this tablet. It is original and nothing about it is fake. even the iPad is made in China as is probably the iconia. Probably not the best place to post as people are iConia A500 owners.
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ww. Apad.tv forums has a thread on this tablet. It is original and nothing about it is fake. even the iPad is made in China as is probably the iconia. Probably not the best place to post as people are iConia A500 owners.
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This is why I said I am not dissing foreign products. I fully understand that most things these days are made in China. But there's a difference. Products with legit names have (hopefully) better quality control.
Again, why in the world would a product brand named almost a perfect immitation of a real thing that's popular? Iped. Apad. Superpad. Etc. If a product can stand on its own silicon feet, then let it. If it needs to imitate to sell, then chances are it's got something to hide.
People often try to talk me down when I share my concern. So, let me repeat. I have no problem with products made in China. I do have a problem with these companies that are springing up all over China that pay little attention to quality control and sell their products through cheap imitation of real popular things. We as consumers need to stop supporting these immoral practices by staying away from these cheap imitations.
Fair enough. for the most part a lot of rogue sellers on B2c platforms, and auction sites do not qc products before shipping - this does not mean the product is inferior: it comes down to how the seller qc's / tests / describes product before shipping.
It is not fair to make assumptions about company qc. ChinaGrabber.com is actually a USA site if you do a who.is search.
Lastly, many people on the apad.tv forums, including myself, have bought the "Branded" iBex Flytouch3.
ChinaGrabber is also a supporter of the forum so if their products have quality issues, including iBex tablets, I am sure people would be complaining. For the most part, I have only seen positive reviews.
The GS-708 is a new tablet so it will probably be a while until people get it and review it.
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It is not fair to make assumptions about company qc. ChinaGrabber.com is actually a USA site if you do a who.is search.
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Again, I am not dissing everything that comes out of China or embracing everything that comes out of the US. There are honest to god legit US companies that have been created for the sole purpose of having an American sounding name and American base to sell Chinese, often inferior, products. An example of this is the company called Augen based in Florida. I'm sure many of you have heard of the Augen gentouch series. These are really cheap tablets that pretty much have everything that's wrong with them. Quality control is nonexistent. Tech support is nonexistent. The screens are made of plastic instead of glass.
For a time, I was curious enough to look into this company. What I found was that this so-called company name Augen has exactly 7 employees, including the so-called CEO. The company base is in a hotel suit. So, I went a step further and bought one of their products. I then pretended to be a complete dummy and called their "tech support". I asked some questions that any newbie dev would know. It was painful to listen to the guy's half-cooked answers. Let just say he didn't even know what a kernel was.
Augen is now selling what they call their espresso series. Very shiny pieces of plastic. Completely not worth anything at all.
The point is again let me repeat myself. We as consumers need to discourage such immoral practices in the trade by staying away from these fakers. Yes, most of them are from China. But there are a number of them who are based here in the US. And I am convinced they are all over Europe as well.
If the name sounds almost like something really popular, best to stay away from it.
Lastly, many people on the apad.tv forums, including myself, have bought the "Branded" iBex Flytouch3.
ChinaGrabber is also a supporter of the forum so if their products have quality issues, including iBex tablets, I am sure people would be complaining. For the most part, I have only seen positive reviews.
The GS-708 is a new tablet so it will probably be a while until people get it and review it.
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If a product is legit and is able to stand on its own, then name it something else. Boycott!
On a side note
This kind of business practice reminds me of "mockbusters" - movies named after the most popular moves of the moment to hopefully convince people to waste cash on some b rated crap by misdirection. I spent two weeks of research before buying my Iconia - easy to see how if i had not done my homework I could have been totally ripped off.
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This kind of business practice reminds me of "mockbusters" - movies named after the most popular moves of the moment to hopefully convince people to waste cash on some b rated crap by misdirection. I spent two weeks of research before buying my Iconia - easy to see how if i had not done my homework I could have been totally ripped off.
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Yup. When pirates of the carribean 2 came out, a soft porn movie came out called "pirates". Being a zombie fan, I've seen dozens and dozens of cheap budgeted movies with very similar names to high budgeted movies.
We need to stop endorsing these practices with our money.
Hey folks, I have to agree.
I bought a couple of inexpensive Chinese tablets on my tablet journeys. One was the Haipad M701-R that wasn't so great so I sold it. The other is my current 7" cheapie: a Rena3 that is actually an okay piece in most respects, but suffers from poor video playback due to shoddy support by the manufacturer with no promise of...anything to fix it anytime soon or...ever maybe.
What you save in money you lose in ongoing support, even with the better built ones.
The closet full of coding slaves the small companies have is only good for a couple of firmware revisions at best before the next big device they want to sell has to be coded for.
REAL support ends up being through the community in the form of someone in the know creating custom firmwares for these cheapie tabs, if you are lucky.
IF
The satisfaction level with my a500 is through the roof by comparison, and the firmware came down the line on it's own and WORKED.
PRICE IS NOT VALUE
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So I was looking @ chinese devices and I saw this one at chinagrabber.com and would like to know what u all think. Its called the gs-708. I want a tab that runs gingerbread with decent specs, duel cameras and supports 3g and sim cards. Advice is welcome. Didn't know where else to post this. I know the nookis an easy device to root but imlooking for a device with a little more to offer. Idealized there will be little to no device support but I am learning to work with devices.
Here's the link.
http://chinagrabber.com/gs-708-cell...---android-2-3-tablet-pc---3g-flash-10-4.aspx
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I would warn anyone off ChinaGrabber.
I bought a Flytouch 3 10" tablet from them.
The GPS was locked to Chin.
The battery lasted 1 hour after charges, and later on the charge would not 'take'.
Finally the battery exploded, destroying the tablet and filling the room with toxic fumes.
ChinaGrabber's answer to the GPS and battery was to send me to some dumb forum and I was told to try the things posted there.
When I did try them and told them it didn't work they told me that doing these things invalidated my warranty.
PayPal (the scamming bastards) upheld my payment guarantee complaint, but then reversed their decision - they said to get the refund I had to send the item back in the condition I received it, I told them it was melted, cracked and burnt from the exploding battery, they said it's either condition-I-received-it, or no refund, then cancelled the entire claim on me.
Don't buy ChinaGrabber, don't use PayPal..
Check out the Rena3. It is a dual core tablet with a &
I've owned a couple of the cheaper Chinese tablets...one M0003 7" and a 7" rockchip tablet. I gotta say, that while it was fun to take them both apart and dork around with the insides, the fact that I ended up needing to take them apart to fix them should be a good indicator of quality control. The touchscreen went out on the first one, and while I could still use it with a mouse, it was useless as a tablet and the second had a shoddy joint at the battery and I had to resolder it to keep it going. After those experiences, I decided to go with a better name and got a Gtablet. Still have that and its ticking away like clockwork. My 6 year old uses it to play Angry Birds and watch videos every day. I got my A500 for my daily driver and have not been disappointed at all. I don't think I will ever buy another knock-off tablet again. The use-ability just isn't there, and the QC is questionable at best. My advice is if you want something with 3g capabilities, try to find a used Xoom or A501 on Ebay or something, cause even used it will be a better choice than a no-name.
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If the name sounds almost like something really popular, best to stay away from it.
If a product is legit and is able to stand on its own, then name it something else. Boycott!
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I hear that. The iPed was an obvious one.
But, Apad, which is in the GS-708 title is a word that discribes a Chinese Android Running tablet pc or "Android pad" or A pad. Do not think that sounds like anyting mainstream.
You guys are right to always do research on a product before buying it. I think this is why the OP posted thread.
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and...in-HP-TouchPad-on-the-Extinction-List-691746/
If you can't get to the link somehow, this is what [email protected] had to say (dated today) about why our Iconia should be on the extinction list. I'll let you spot the multitude of BS. If you get a chance, email him and tell him to do some research before he opens his mouth on the 'net.
"It’s hard to find too many worthwhile features in the Acer Iconia Tablet that can’t be found in other devices. The slate comes with a 2-megapixel camera, a dual-core Tegra 2 processor, and a 10.1-inch display. However, it’s running Android Honeycomb 3.0—an issue for those looking for the more-reliable Android 3.1. Combine that with the fact few people even know about the device, and it might not be long before the $400 tablet fades from the market."
What an uninformed asshole.
so sales numbers is the only thing he equates to a good product, well then the ford focus must be one of the best cars on the road
Why bother? Clearly he is an Apple Fanboi. He slammed every major player in the Android Tablet Market.
Easy fun happyness
Just read the last 50 articles he had posted. Quite obvious who is getting a check from whom.
Or perhaps his outdated and silly info is a true "review", right? Too bad many people will be fooled into letting a "review" like this influence their choice of tablets to purchase.
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Why bother? Clearly he is an Apple Fanboi. He slammed every major player in the Android Tablet Market.
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Google the name and go to page two and it starts to make much more sense
For real
Check out this article - android 2.2 vs. Ios. http://tinyurl.com/237lz3f
Lmao
i hate fanboyism at its finest. I do not like apple but damn i at least respect what they have done.
Honestly, why would we care what some dude says about the Iconia.
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I wonder how someone so misinformed about so many products is still allowed to write about them.
This really makes you wonder what the editor of this publication does all day, this all falls back in his lap.
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I wonder how someone so misinformed about so many products is still allowed to write about them.
This really makes you wonder what the editor of this publication does all day, this all falls back in his lap.
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that's called Free Speach
What an idiot, though, such an easy job/money for him.
eWeek needs to just change their name to biweekly and be honest about it.
Load of BS. Obviously XDA folks are clued in to the merits our A500 or whatever. Whatever happened to reliable journalism? I love my A500 - it serves my needs perfectly and latest ROMs for Android 3.2 show promise to make A500 an iPad killer.
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I took it a step further and emailed eweek's editor [email protected]:
In reference to http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and...in-HP-TouchPad-on-the-Extinction-List-691746/ - Enterprise Mobility: 10 Tablets That Should Join HP TouchPad on the Extinction List
I have got to say this article is riddled with technological errors that make me wonder if a) anyone fact checked Mr. Reisinger's work and b) did he even use any of these products before his apparent bias declared that they should die?
Case in Point the Acer Iconia Tab 1/11 in this article:
"It’s hard to find too many worthwhile features in the Acer Iconia Tablet that can’t be found in other devices. The slate comes with a 2-megapixel camera, a dual-core Tegra 2 processor, and a 10.1-inch display. However, it’s running Android Honeycomb 3.0—an issue for those looking for the more-reliable Android 3.1. Combine that with the fact few people even know about the device, and it might not be long before the $400 tablet fades from the market."
The only thing right here is the name, the processor front camera, and the display size. His argument seems to hinge on the fact that it's running Honeycomb 3.0?? Despite the fact like every android tablet - they all shipped with 3.0 and were quickly upgraded to 3.1 and 3.2 - just like the Acer Iconia was upgraded over 3 months ago. The Tablet sports 2 cameras, just like the iPad - and just like the iPad has a lower resolution front camera, but at 2-megapixal in the front and 5 in the back it's still got better resolution than the ipad2 - so I'm unclear why the camera is anything but a postive. He doesn't even discuss any of the tablet's unique features like being the only Andorid tablet in his list that sports a full size usb connection or its rave reviews across the web including Ziff Davis' own PC Magazine which gave it a good rating in April of 2011. The fact that the a500 has been outselling more "well known" tablets like the Motorola Xoom should say that in fact there are a few more people who know about this tablet than Mr. Reisinger's leads on.
It is my hope that after an editorial review of this article it can be corrected to at least include the facts, not just blind rambling from someone who obviously isn't a fan of Android tablets.
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David
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Google the name and go to page two and it starts to make much more sense
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I understand.
Top 5 reasons Don Reisinger sucks:
1. Because he does
2. Because he really does
3. Because he really, really does
4. Because he really, really,really does
5. Because his mother abandoned him as a child in a Starbucks with a sign attached that said "He sucks"
Just saying.
What a tool, well I sent him an email anyway, not like it could penetrate his brain.
Wow, that guy is a complete asshat. i emailed him, for what good it will do. I'm sure his reign of douchebaggery will continue unabated. I mean, he is entitled to his opinion, no matter how wrong, but at least hire a fact-checker or possibly just read the listed specs on the manufacturer's website before spouting such verbal feces.
I've also emailed this assclown (cc'd to his editor). I take issue not only with his options and mis-information regarding the Iconia, but with the article as a whole. I realize that editorials are opinionated, but that doesn't release a journalist from being honest and fair.
For starters, there his blatent opinion that 7" is too small for a tablet. I cannot see how millions in combined sales can possibly be disregarded as "redundant". AFAIK, the Galaxay Tab 7 is still the best selling non-Apple tablet to date. They still seem to be in solid demand now, with even the resale value holding up in the 75% or better range (at least in the Toronto area). As someone in the tech sale industry, at least half of non-Apple tablet sales I see are 7" devices.
Also, dismissing yet to be released products, i.e. the Cisco Cousin, is just rediculous.
Plus, the article is riddled with factual inaccuracies and misleading statements.
Lastly, I take issue with his dismissal of Asus as a non-"mainstream" company. The Eee PC defined the netbook market. You would be hard pressed to find a consumer who has shopped for a netbook who HASN'T heard of Asus.
I expect more journalistic integrity from a Ziff-Davis publication, but perhaps I'm living in the past.
Sent from Vera, my Iconia A500; All dressed up going places!
Wow that was funny! Seems the only tablet allowed to live is the one with the least features. The writer might just be mentally challanged, but whoever published that should be more responsible to the readers. Freedom of speach should not be an excuse for bad journalism.
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so sales numbers is the only thing he equates to a good product, well then the ford focus must be one of the best cars on the road
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Well put.
I guess that makes the A500 a sleek sports car to the Ipad's Dodge Neon-like sales numbers.
I wrote a scathing reply to Ziff Davis, critical of the article and rebutting the claims. It will probably go straight to the trash folder, but its worth a shot.
I just got done reading a moronic article on Yahoo talking about how the Kindle Fire was a thread to the iPad (makes sense) and Google (WTF!?).
After reading this line I was infuriated and could not help to share it. Hell, I should make an entire thread about the dumbest comments/assumptions about Android/Google.
Get ready here it is:
"...That means developers who are targeting Android tablets probably will start developing for Amazon's Android app store, not Google's."
I think I just died a little bit.
/rant
Anyone that thinks any one electronic is a threat to the iphone or ipad is delusional, plain and simple.
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Anyone that thinks any one electronic is a threat to the iphone or ipad is delusional, plain and simple.
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I think you missed the point. Not talking about whether or not it is an iDevice killer, but the quote I posted. And at $199 for a device that can just about do as much as an iPad, you'd also have to be delusional that it won't make a dent in the sales of iPads. People are going to choose one not both.
Your title is then misleading and first sentence you acknowledge it as a threat, its not.
Will it be a microscopic kink in their customers, maybe, but people who buy or want apple know what they are getting and what the thing costs, so price is not necessarily the deterrent.