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Sat next a dude who also had a Xoom...

... on the bus and we spent the rest of ride back conversating loudly about our awesome tablets, while being surrounded by iPad users. Shortest bus ride home ever...
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nice, its the best tablet no one seems to be talking about. I think people were waiting for the ipad and to be honest that underwelmed but folks are still going to flock to it

Some guy asked me "is that an iPad?" I said "no, its a Xoom." You should've seen the look of befuddlement on his face....

Its sad that people don't know about the Xoom. Even worse when the same people ask, "why didn't you get an iPad?"
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chernggoh said:
Even worse when the same people ask, "why didn't you get an iPad?"
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True, but I like "enlightening" them Sometimes I think they even understand

codeman05 said:
True, but I like "enlightening" them Sometimes I think they even understand
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Trust me. They don't.

Just give it time. Motorola screwed up with opening with the most expensive model when they should have gone with the wifi only version out of the gate. Regardless it will only be a matter of a few short months when Android tablets will be everywhere...and then...the developers will come running.
IOS is a joke but it works and it is simple. Apple will not change that which means the software innovation will be left up to Google. As soon as Apple makes their system even slightly more confusing...all bets are off. Icons are for smart phones in 2008...it is 2011 and soon people will want more and they will want choice...
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Trust me. They don't.
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Mostly don't, some even asked me what's so good about android, I had to ask them the same thing about iOS and they can't even explain that to me xD

I was having dinner with some friends tonight and whipped out my XOOM to show off the NES emulator (the pattern on the table cloths looked like Tetris, so it was only inevitable.)
The waiter came over and was like "Wha...How did you get Zelda on the iPad??" and I was like "It was really easy, actually! I downloaded it from the Android market, because it's a Motorola XOOM. You can't do that with an iPad unless you jailbreak it."
He was in awe. lol

colbyb25 said:
Just give it time. Motorola screwed up with opening with the most expensive model when they should have gone with the wifi only version out of the gate. Regardless it will only be a matter of a few short months when Android tablets will be everywhere...and then...the developers will come running.
IOS is a joke but it works and it is simple. Apple will not change that which means the software innovation will be left up to Google. As soon as Apple makes their system even slightly more confusing...all bets are off. Icons are for smart phones in 2008...it is 2011 and soon people will want more and they will want choice...
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Agreed. Who wants multiple screens with a bunch of icons when you can actually make your screens look like a web site with various widgets with useful information that matters to you.

I feel it too. Everyone seems consumed by the *cough* ipad, that they don't realize tablets even exist for android. The xoom kills 'em all! Android is sooooo much better than the other *cough again* competitors. Once an "apple" lover sees the xoom in action they'll sure change to the better side!
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I would reply "Err what's iPad btw?" And let them explain then we can have fun asking the shortcomings
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Some guy asked me "is that an iPad?" I said "no, its a Xoom." You should've seen the look of befuddlement on his face....
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A girl at my school saw me playing fruit ninja on my XOOM and said "how did you get the iPad 2 already?" *facepalm*

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A girl at my school saw me playing fruit ninja on my XOOM and said "how did you get the iPad 2 already?" *facepalm*
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Should've said "how did you become a dumbass?"
might be a bit overboard, but it'd get the point across.

These people aren't dumb nor is it their fault that they're not aware of the Xoom. You should be more annoyed at Motorola's marketing. I have seen one commercial and quite honestly....it sucked.
I think Android will always have this problem...Apple is one company and Android devices are made by a number of different manufacturers. Makes it hard to market Android as a whole. I guess things will get easier once the market is flooded with Android tablets.
Best thing to do is point out the positives of Android vs IOS without being a d-bag.
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Really lame fanboy comments on here, but it's a Xoom forum so it's excusable i guess.
If you like your Xoom, then fine, why deride others who like their iPads? If nobody you've come across knows about the Xoom or keeps mistaking it for some sort of iPad-thingy, then whose fault is that? Those people are neither stupid or dumb like you all seem to think. I have an Epic and an iPad, both of which i like and use quite well. Won't be getting a Xoom, not interested, waiting to see the Galaxy tablet.
Where's the marketing from Motorola, where's the push from VZW? You'd think that these were the same folks who made a big push with the "Droid Does" phone campaign that brought Android awareness to all and sunder.
Walk into any BestBuy and see where and how they've displayed the Xoom. It's in some nondescript corner somewhere with no ecosystem of accessories around it (at least the NYC store here). Almost like an afterthought...just something else we carry. No eye-catching signage, no display props, very little employees who go out of their way to even know about it...

This is what kills me why does there need to be marketing for a product you already know about hand possibly own? Plus aple users tend to be vocal about their devices as well fanactical to some extent which is fine. Why do people feel the need to judtify their own purchases or need to bash one in order to like another? I have a xoom, bought an I pad that I never see(wife and kids's really) and think both serve their purpose. Also one of apples biggest strengths isn't their products but their marketing.

You must all be using some different kind of Xoom then me. I love android more then any other OS but this thing is the biggest piece of janky **** I have ever used. Nothing works, everything force closes. Coming from a galaxy tab this is a giant step DOWN. Granted it ran froyo, but it ran it flawlessly. My friends nook color runs honeycomb better then this. Every minute I use this thing I get more frustrated. Picked it up last night bringing it back within the hour. Huge let down.
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I understand where you're coming from, LordLugard, and honestly I don't think people are stupid because they think the xoom is an ipad. Its just my humorous criticism of how I hate apple! Lol. Why? Because apple sucks. Why? ...just because. Lol. Im not being negative towards anybody, but think its funny. And I can care less about the exploitation of the xoom. I actually like being a part of something that's not so trendy. However, Motorola is making a lot of mistakes by not marketing the device properly and shipping it off "incomplete". Also, the xoom is super expensive...but I am definitely a happy camper! Its perfect for school, play, and among other things. Xoom xoom baby!
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LordLugard said:
Really lame fanboy comments on here, but it's a Xoom forum so it's excusable i guess.
If you like your Xoom, then fine, why deride others who like their iPads? If nobody you've come across knows about the Xoom or keeps mistaking it for some sort of iPad-thingy, then whose fault is that? Those people are neither stupid or dumb like you all seem to think. I have an Epic and an iPad, both of which i like and use quite well. Won't be getting a Xoom, not interested, waiting to see the Galaxy tablet.
Where's the marketing from Motorola, where's the push from VZW? You'd think that these were the same folks who made a big push with the "Droid Does" phone campaign that brought Android awareness to all and sunder.
Walk into any BestBuy and see where and how they've displayed the Xoom. It's in some nondescript corner somewhere with no ecosystem of accessories around it (at least the NYC store here). Almost like an afterthought...just something else we carry. No eye-catching signage, no display props, very little employees who go out of their way to even know about it...
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NYC is very much an iPad "keeping up with the Jones" kind of place. I can hear the conversation now. "Have you seen the latest iPad, simply incredible, I must have one". "Wilfred will you hold Tootsey so I can run to the Apple Store".
Handguns and Xooms will probably be banned at Starbucks.

FACT- Xoom will get updated review scores

with motorola unrolling a 3.0.1 honeycomb update and flash now giving hardware acceleration, its safe to say xoom is slowly tapping into its potential..and theres more in store.
obviously the hardware thats promised but the performance gain is going to be great.
i guess im sounding like a fanboy when i say this but it really ticks me off to see the IPAD2 score on engadget and the xoom.
if they dont update xooms score as these updates come through and others (4g, micro sd slot, bigger **** in pants) i will have no choice but to eat a great nyc steak medium rare with a nice cold beer after work.

dudeimgeorge said:
with motorola unrolling a 3.0.1 honeycomb update and flash now giving hardware acceleration, its safe to say xoom is slowly tapping into its potential..and theres more in store.
obviously the hardware thats promised but the performance gain is going to be great.
i guess im sounding like a fanboy when i say this but it really ticks me off to see the IPAD2 score on engadget and the xoom.
if they dont update xooms score as these updates come through and others (4g, micro sd slot, bigger **** in pants) i will have no choice but to eat a great nyc steak medium rare with a nice cold beer after work.
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Dude, get the steak anyways! Substitute the beer for a scotch and you're all set!

Personally, I'm going to go with a ginger seitan taco and a tequila/mezcal old fashioned.

FACT - Chuck Norris owns a XOOM and gives it three thumbs up!
Seriously, though. I doubt they'll change their score. Did you read the iPad 2 review they did. He said "iPad 2 isn't just the BEST tablet. It's the ONLY tablet on the market."
Bah!

Engadget is useless anyways. Who cares what they rated the Xoom. Their reviews hardly ever offer any unbiased information.

I like Engadget but there's no denying that they have an Apple bias. That's fine, as long as I like the device I couldn't care less what any fanbois think.

I dropped engadget from my feeds after that line.
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I only read engadget for breaking news, etc. I've found their reviews are extremely opinionated and biased and so I don't bother to read them anymore. They always say Android is good but not great, that it's half-baked and not where it should be, and they always give the iPhone and other Apple products (like the insanely overpriced Macbook) the highest reviews and hardly fault them for anything. To say the least, I find that kind of thing annoying coming from one of the most popular blogs on the web. They call themselves journalists but I'm not sure I believe that...
I will say I do still read reviews done by Chris Ziegler. He uses Android phones daily and doesn't own an iPhone, so unlike Joshua Topolsky, I rarely find Apple bias within Chris's reviews. But Josh does most of the big profile reviews (Xoom, etc.) and so I don't read those done by him. I know what I'm going to find were I to click into the review: an unfiltered display of Josh's love for all things Apple. And he ends every review the same way: "(insert apple product name here) is the single best (insert device category, i.e. phone or tablet) on the market today."
Reviews are mostly just opinion most of the time anyway, so I don't think I'm missing much. If an Android product has a big enough flaw to not be worth buying, I'll find that out before a review would be posted anyway.
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so true, i love engadget on everything except apple. its boggles my mind how biased they can be, its just not right. ars technica is so good with proper technology reviews.
my theory also is because of the massssiivvee ipad infactuation, this leads to a slow down on technological innovation, really. Paying high amounts of money for standard tech specs (namely their laptop products) and ipad as well (ram, cpu)
anyways, i dont want to sway too far into this flame ****, people like how it looks and thats its highest value. Bleh
Ill probably have a single malth scotch then.

Updated reviews would be nice, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I will say that if Motorola is able to get out some significant fixes before the WiFi-only version of the Xoom drops, like Flash support (3/18 woohoo!), then hopefully people would just simply do a review of the WiFi-only version and then say that all this also applies to the 3G version that was available initially. Motorola does need to get their marketing act together as you don't often (if ever) get a second chance to make a first impression. I would love to see a Xoom commercial that copied a bit from the iThing commercials where they simply show the apps. For the average user, showing that Android has a lot of the apps that they want will do way more than implying that your tablet can turn into a space ship...

Bauxite said:
I dropped engadget from my feeds after that line.
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I just did the same. ****'em
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Reviews are too biased with them... replaced my feed a while back.

engadget is known to have an apple bias. joshua topolsky even wrote an editorial just praising apple paragraph after paragraph.
but i'm starting to think they do it on purpose to generate more page views. seriously. most engadget readers are anti apple, yet engadget, owned by AOL, is wholly on the side of Apple and its sleazy marketing tactics.

aohus said:
engadget is known to have an apple bias. joshua topolsky even wrote an editorial just praising apple paragraph after paragraph.
but i'm starting to think they do it on purpose to generate more page views. seriously. most engadget readers are anti apple, yet engadget, owned by AOL, is wholly on the side of Apple and its sleazy marketing tactics.
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Exactly this. I like Engadget for everything else, but they don't give Android a fair shake at things.
When you introduce a "new" line of products*, the base assumptions about it are yours to define. A lot of people can't shake the conception that a tablet =/= an iPad. An iPad is a version of a tablet. It's not the base, simplest (all jokes aside) form of one. Android gets points deducted because it's not iOS when it never claims to be. That's where Engadget and other reviewers get everything wrong.
*I know Apple didn't invent the tablet. But for all intents and purposes, it might as well have.

reviews have been a smoke and mirrors show for a while especially in the technology space. there are so many different ways folks use their devices, it makes it tough to do it. I was all gun ho until i found out native mail didn't work with my exchange, then i saw reviews of how touchdown is on par and even rumors they are looking to fix the exchange side certificate issues, might as well get in on the ground floor

there are people out there that are absolutely clueless about Xoom and they will always, and i'm sure some of you guys experienced it, say "is that iPad2?". instead of saying "no", i just let them play with it and show them all the applications. then i'll tell them this is actually Google's tablet - honeycomb.
they're just dumbfounded afterward.

ipad 2 woes are mounting.

3g issues on Verizon causing rebooting to regain 3g connections
http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=20052322&cid=null&bcid=&bid=-37
Facetime freezing.
http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=20046218&bid=20046218&bcid=null&test=null&emvAD=533x295
And still has wifi connection issues like the original ipad? And even more problems like light bleeding.
http://www.theipadguide.com/content/top-10-ipad-2-bugs-problems-and-complaints/7177401
Not trying to flame the ipad 2, but how can our xooms be called buggy and incomplete, when the ipad 2 seems just as rushed?
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You can't say that! They're all features, exactly as Apple intended
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Just as we wouldn't agree with macbots insults we should save ours, regardless of their accuracy

Just watch the XOOM Superbowl. All the anti macbot lulz we need.
Its all just a bit of harmless fun.
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Of course there's problems. There's problems with EVERYTHING.
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MikeyMike01 said:
Of course there's problems. There's problems with EVERYTHING.
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That goes without say, but look at all the "tech gurus" and their "my opinion is fact tech articles" on their blogs and websites that claim the xoom is nowhere near the ipad 2 and it is such a solid device and had almost no issues. I think a lot of the overly biased reviews aren't helping the xooms sell. Many users on here write less biased more intuitive reviews over the tech sites online do.
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sirius b said:
3g issues on Verizon causing rebooting to regain 3g connections
http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=20052322&cid=null&bcid=&bid=-37
Facetime freezing.
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And still has wifi connection issues like the original ipad? And even more problems like light bleeding.
http://www.theipadguide.com/content/top-10-ipad-2-bugs-problems-and-complaints/7177401
Not trying to flame the ipad 2, but how can our xooms be called buggy and incomplete, when the ipad 2 seems just as rushed?
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Do you really want one to start naming all that is worse about the Xoom? And yes, you're trying to flame with this thread.

LordLugard said:
Do you really want one to start naming all that is worse about the Xoom? And yes, you're trying to flame with this thread.
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Yes sir, your opinion is right. I made this point because every major tech company bashes to xooms and neglects the obvious problems with the ipad 2. I also know all of the problems with the xoom, I own one and have for just over a month. Please tell me how I'm flaming here? I will openly admit many aspects of the xoom are beta and to me it should have been just like the chrome netbooks, given to people to test and enjoy not sold, but I am an early adopter as I have owned a G1, Nexus one, Nexus S, and my xoom, so I will gladly purchase what helps push the products forward as long as I see its value as a product and where I will actually need it in life.
I still however love my xoom, and all of its faults, and also believe the ipad and ipad 2 have their own market as well and by no means think either need to go away. You sir have no logical reason to call me a flamer I did not call it a flaming pile of ****, but a rushed device in many ways just like to xoom was.
Besides if I hated apple, I never would have bought my girlfriend her the 13" MacBook, the 24" iMac, or the 32gb wifi ipad she has but you sir can continue to assume you know all about people when I own far more apple products then the average person.
XOOM failures so as to appease you:
-Lag when moving anything when device is upside down.
-even when set to automatically update no market apps update.
-browser can crash quite about with the gesture lab.
-the power connector feels like its going to break when inserting the charge cable
-YouTube widget gets hung refreshing for me a lot causing desktop lag and has to be removed to stop it.
-though it doesn't bother me the video encoding is a big let down to many.
-the price tag is a bit daunting to many would are in the middle of.the road, I feel for its price the standard dock and a gel skin should come with it.
-I think the widget grid should be expanded to the edges
The list goes on and many have other problems I do not, and vice versa. To me when Andy Rubin says people cut to many corners on Honeycomb, being the largest reason the source code has not been released and Larry Page is assigning more people to the Android development team to fix things that maybe it wasn't by any means ready to be outside of beta. Just like gingerbread and the reason it took so long to make it to the Nexus One.
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That goes without say, but look at all the "tech gurus" and their "my opinion is fact tech articles" on their blogs and websites that claim the xoom is nowhere near the ipad 2 and it is such a solid device and had almost no issues. I think a lot of the overly biased reviews aren't helping the xooms sell. Many users on here write less biased more intuitive reviews over the tech sites online do.
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The problems with the Xoom a guaranteed. No SD card works, no one has LTE, no one has a wide variety of apps, everyone has laggy this or broken that.
Big deal if an iPad 2 or two have some random problem.
I love Android as much as the next guy. To say that Apple is not miles ahead in the tablet war is foolish and fanboyish. I know its difficult for some people to give credit where credit is due.
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The problems with the Xoom a guaranteed. No SD card works, no one has LTE, no one has a wide variety of apps, everyone has laggy this or broken that.
Big deal if an iPad 2 or two have some random problem.
I love Android as much as the next guy. To say that Apple is not miles ahead in the tablet war is foolish and fanboyish. I know its difficult for some people to give credit where credit is due.
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Did I state they were not miles ahead? Calling a wifi issue which stems from the last generation ipad not a major issue is something foolish. It was brushed off as a software related issue that was never fixed as has carried over into the second generation iPad. Next everyone tears the Nexus s for not reconnecting to 3g without a reboot and everyone is screaming bloody murder in the Nexus s forums and it gets flammed everywhere for it, but you call it not a major issue on an ipad 2?
Obviously you missed my early response that I have in fact purchased an iPad along with several other Apple products ovet the past 6 years (and in fact to add to that we both had 80gb ipod videos), for my girlfriend and in turn I would say is better quality build than an iPad 2. If i didnt feel credit was due to Apple they wouldn't have recieved about $4000 over the past years in product purchases. I feel the ipad 2 is a rushed device, I am most calling it garbage by any means, but in all honesty I think the only problem with the first gen is that it lacked sufficient ram when the OS updated and it recieved faux multi-tasking. Other than that it feels like a rushed device, to maintain momentum they a ready had. Please tell me how anything I am saying is fanboyish?
If I even thought the ipad was not a quality device my girlfriend could use for daily tasks and presenting her portfolio as a Graphic Designer with then, I would have not made the purchase and would have tried to sway her interest in waiting for android tablets. I said there is and will be a market the ipad fills that android tablets will never fill, ease of use no matter age or tech background, anyone can pick it up and love it where as watching people with android tablets, like my xoom people get confused.
What is happening with all of these issues is no different then how the xooms list of need to fix asap is piling up, they are both rushed devices, I feel neither one was ready for the market quite yet, and yet both wanted to be out either first or close enough to disrupt the others launch. That said the woes of the xoom are heavier in some areas, but to see people treating issues like the ipad 2 as nothing but a minor problem and the xoom as a not worthwhile purchase is where this thread is intended in meaning.
If I had not started with a G1 and stuck with google experience devices all the way through now I'd probably be a livid user and would have returned my xoom by now. I think that being a linux user for over 7+ years has also attributed to my patience with software issues can always be fixed, especially when there is a strong community backing it.
Say what you want, call me a fan boy, ill recommend a first Gen ipad any day to an average consumer with little understanding of electronics over an ipad 2 any day. I recommnd the Xoom to people with above average knowledge(or the want to learn), patience, and appreciation for the finished product when it comes.
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MikeyMike01 said:
The problems with the Xoom a guaranteed. No SD card works, no one has LTE, no one has a wide variety of apps, everyone has laggy this or broken that.
Big deal if an iPad 2 or two have some random problem.
I love Android as much as the next guy. To say that Apple is not miles ahead in the tablet war is foolish and fanboyish. I know its difficult for some people to give credit where credit is due.
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Not to metion that apple has shipped 2.4 million ipad2s already compared to maybe 100k Xooms for motorola. So any little bug is going to have a much bigger effect. Say both the xoom and the ipad2 have the exact same wifi bug stemming from a certain type of router. The ipad2 is gonna have 24 people affected for every one person for the xoom. So problems will be much more pronounced when you ship the volume apple does.
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sirius b said:
If I had not started with a G1 and stuck with google experience devices all the way through now I'd probably be a livid user and would have returned my xoom by now.
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I know what this place can do. I put up with the abomination of a phone the Captivate was for months. My brother returned it for a Samsung Focus. Fast forward 8 months or so and my phone runs circles around his.
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Article from techcrunch about xoom

http://techcrunch.com/2011/05/15/ho...ampaign=Feed:+Techcrunch+(TechCrunch)#XpulseX
What are your thoughts?
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http://techcrunch.com/2011/05/15/ho...ampaign=Feed:+Techcrunch+(TechCrunch)#XpulseX
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Apple has TechCrunch in its pockets....that site is absolutely horrid and untrustworthy

beside my hurt feelings as an android and xoom fan.
The arcticle is a little one-sided. And a sad thing about todays journalism is, that its all about controversy and polemics.

I think it's a fair article. Honeycomb has problems and bugs that are hurting consumer adoption and like it or not, the Xoom wasn't a good enough device to make people ignore those flaws.
It's too heavy, the screen is very poor, and it shipped with two major features disabled.
Maybe some of you guys would prefer to be mollycoddled and told nice things, but tough.
For the record, Kincaid has historically been a bit of an android fan. Siegler is the shameless, illogical Apple fanboy.

That was more like a critical opinions expressed rather than a fair review.
I mean, holy ****, he doesn't even mention the point that honeycomb is a platform built from scratch...he even stated that the xoom with its honeycomb platform can't never ever get close to the ipads perfection. Noooo...ipad with a phone os, ios, has been around long enough for bug fixes, isn't any better than the honeycomb. In fact its dead simple and too familiar for a long time user to get boring. But this guy surely doesn't get bored after probably all 5 years using the damn iPhone.
one more thing, what kind of reviewer in the world complains about the f*cking home button look like a goddamn up arrow. It doesn't.
PS: this is off topic but I'm sitting at Starbucks, a Guy asked me if my xoom is an ipad. Right in the middle of my anger, I told him: ipad sucks. This is the Motorola xoom running android, much better. Then I get the usual "what is android". Holy cow, I should've just told him yeah this is an ipad, It sucks.
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wang1404 said:
That was more like a critical opinions expressed rather than a fair review.
I mean, holy ****, he doesn't even mention the point that honeycomb is a platform built from scratch...he even stated that the xoom with its honeycomb platform can't never ever get close to the ipads perfection. Noooo...ipad with a phone os, ios, has been around long enough for bug fixes, isn't any better than the honeycomb. In fact its dead simple and too familiar for a long time user to get boring. But this guy surely doesn't get bored after probably all 5 years using the damn iPhone.
one more thing, what kind of reviewer in the world complains about the f*cking home button look like a goddamn up arrow. It doesn't.
PS: this is off topic but I'm sitting at Starbucks, a Guy asked me if my xoom is an ipad. Right in the middle of my anger, I told him: ipad sucks. This is the Motorola xoom running android, much better. Then I get the usual "what is android". Holy cow, I should've just told him yeah this is an ipad, It sucks.
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The writer is an Android user. The user experience on the iPad is currently better than on Honeycomb, something which I'm sure will improve in the near future. But that's the future.
Why should he mention that it was built from the ground up? Who the hell cares other than us early adopters? What's important to the consumer (ie his readers) is how well executed it is and right now it still needs work.
His job is to offer an objective view of the platform, not make excuses for it. The latter, apparently, is your job.

>His job is to offer an objective view of the platform
We must be reading different blog posts. It's an opinion piece. Opinions are by definition not objective.
@OP: My thought is that you should pay less attention to blogger pundits with the usual juvie "us-vs-them" argument. It's not a sum-zero game. One doesn't have to lose for the other to win. I think both iOS & Android will do well.
The more interesting question would be, who else besides the two frontrunners will likely make the cut? One would have to count in Windows 8, if only because of the sheer size of the Windows installed base.
WebOS is a dark horse, and QNX is a REALLY dark horse. And MeeGo for now seems to be a horse without a home.

After reading the article, I didn't really think it was all that bad. It was the telling of personal anecdotal experience with an early-release Honeycomb tablet. He likes the Galaxy better. Fine. My own experience with the Xoom has been delightful. I will be happier when there are more made for tablet apps available in the market but that will come in time.
I've read a number of complaints about the weight of the Xoom, and while it was a little heavy to me at first, I've gotten used to it and now I kind of like the "feel." I haven't used the iPad so I can't comment on how they compare. I've read other reviews that favored the Xoom over the iPad. I think it is going to come down to personal preference. This is the whole reason why there are both multiple brands and multiple models within brands.
There are reasons why I personally choose not to go apple and it is not because they make lousy hardware. It has more to do with the amount of (in my opinion tyrannical) control they are determined to exercise over their products. Some people think that even this is a good thing; I don't. The guy in the article has his opinion, I have mine.

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>His job is to offer an objective view of the platform
We must be reading different blog posts. It's an opinion piece. Opinions are by definition not objective.
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Thanks for that. I was just thinking this thread could do with being bogged down in semantics.
Replace 'objective' with 'informed and balanced' then. Because that's precisely what the article is.
Some of you guys are unbelievable. An Android user writes an article expressing optimism for the future of the platform and the entire piece is rubbished because he has the temerity to mention (correctly, in my opinion and the opinion of most reviewers) that the Xoom was a flawed first attempt. Good work.

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The writer is an Android user. The user experience on the iPad is currently better than on Honeycomb, something which I'm sure will improve in the near future. But that's the future.
Why should he mention that it was built from the ground up? Who the hell cares other than us early adopters? What's important to the consumer (ie his readers) is how well executed it is and right now it still needs work.
His job is to offer an objective view of the platform, not make excuses for it. The latter, apparently, is your job.
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He doesn't seem to be an android user to me. And it wasn't objective. His opinions were all over the place. The weight is judged by preference. I, am a skinny guy, likes the feel of the weight in my hand.
Again, the home button looking like an up arrow doesn't demonstrate the objective view either. That is clearly how much he's disliked honeycomb. Its a practice of fanboyism bringing the smallest thing to show how bad a product is.
If the article is categorized as a review, bring it to where a review should be. Don't involve with other products then compare and contrast them.
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>Replace 'objective' with 'informed and balanced' then. Because that's precisely what the article is.
That's the problem with opinions. If it agrees with your view, it's "informed and balanced." If it isn't, it's "trash and fanboyish".
I'm not sure how "informed and balanced" the piece is when it's based solely on one person's experience with one (OK, two) specific device, running one specific version of HC (3.0.1). Pieces like these are afflicted by what I call the-world-revolves-around-me syndrome, ie if I like it, it's great, if I don't, doom & gloom shall follow.
This, regardless of what the writer thinks of the Android platform. Just because he thinks well (or poorly, whatever) of Android's chances doesn't mean his opinion is worth any more than the space-filler that it is.

And we're back to the subjectivity non-argument again.
You can always tell when somebody lacks debating skills. They always play for the solipsistic stalemate.

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PS: this is off topic but I'm sitting at Starbucks, a Guy asked me if my xoom is an ipad. Right in the middle of my anger, I told him: ipad sucks. This is the Motorola xoom running android, much better. Then I get the usual "what is android". Holy cow, I should've just told him yeah this is an ipad, It sucks.
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Why are you complaining?
Even my girlfriend calls my xoom an ipad. "Can i have your ipad for a moment"

while I don't necessarily disagree with some of the HoneyComb criticisms, or Xoom criticisms in this article TechCrunch is a poor site, with terribly written articles.
The article referenced in an earlier post for example:
"Holding the Xoom with one hand isn’t difficult in the slightest, but it isn’t effortless either."
Suggesting that holding it with one hand isn't effortless, suggests that that there is a certain degree of difficulty, more then 'slightest'. This guy claims that "I’m not going to do a detailed run-through of the hardware specs (which aren’t my forte)..." if talking about hardware specs is not your forte why are you writing an article on a site called "TechCrunch"? Unless you are a great writer, which clearly he is not. TechCrunch hurts my brain.
Also by the way most of the criticisms he mentions are not something you can say about the Xoom with the 3.1 update, which is pretty dope. No FC's better responsiveness throughout, and the browser doesn't suck anymore.

>TechCrunch is a poor site, with terribly written articles.
Yes, TC has terrible writers, but so do the vast majority of tech blogs. Sadly, the techies who read them usually aren't the more discriminating types, and tend to confuse them for real journalists.
"Informed and balanced"... hahah, I'm still chuckling about that one.
Gadget blogs are good for gadget news, not for analytical pieces or op-eds about state of the industry.

Hatworthy seems to be the only one in this thread with half a brain. The Xoom IS heavy.. You cannot hold the Xoom with one hand facing down while looking up for a long period of time. How do I know? I have owned a ipad 2, Xoom, and bb Playbook.. Xoom is uncomfortable to hold in CERTAIN positions. The screen is subpar compared to those tabs named. And is 'unstable' compared to iOS not so much QNX. The Xoom also came with no 4G and SD support ...neither do the competition you say? Well it wasn't promised and used as a marketing ploy like the Xoom thus is the issue.
If the Xoom came with a screen atleast equal to the iPad and Honeycomb was just a tad more stable the Xoom if provided different models I.E 16GB,32,64,etc and was lighter would easily be the best.
You don't mention hardware specs in a cconsumer report my mom doesn't care what's in the computer but how it runs.
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I don't get the 2% of the folks who scream from the rooftops that the screen is not as good as most of the other platforms. I'm not in love with any of them. We have each of them in our lab. They are all horrible for getting anything significant done and the iOS device is the most useless closely followed by the Playbook. I'm glad that my primary reason for getting the Xoom was not so much for work, but maybe next year or the year after, we'll vetsome real utility out of these suckers.
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I don't get the 2% of the folks who scream from the rooftops that the screen is not as good as most of the other platforms. I'm not in love with any of them. We have each of them in our lab. They are all horrible for getting anything significant done and the iOS device is the most useless closely followed by the Playbook. I'm glad that my primary reason for getting the Xoom was not so much for work, but maybe next year or the year after, we'll vetsome real utility out of these suckers.
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2%? No offense but why pull a imaginery number out the sky to back your claim? I'm positive a-lot more than "2%" if coming from an iPad 1 or iPad 2 would not look at the Xoom's screen and immediately notice a difference. This is a 'Tablet' no bigger than 10" and used developed as a multimedia hub. No one said the screen is bad because it's not!! It's just not as good as it should be for the price ....

fuyajo said:
Why are you complaining?
Even my girlfriend calls my xoom an ipad. "Can i have your ipad for a moment"
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Jesus, its time for the world to end now. You've got to train her. I trained my girl she was wanting me to get an ipad but I got super talkative and blows all the things about the opacity. Then she understood and now she's calling the xoom by its right name.
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>Jesus, its time for the world to end now.
Not until Saturday.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/20/us/20rapture.html

Most biased review of the galaxy s 3 I have read yet.

This review screamed "apple fan boy" from the start. Smdh at so many android haters in the world. Especially one who works for a irrelevant news outlet
He says the s3 has an outdated processor. Is he serious? Thy shows me he knows nothing about this phone
http://www.examiner.com/article/rev...axy-s3-is-just-another-ordinary-android-phone
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This review screamed "apple fan boy" from the start. Smdh at so many android haters in the world. Especially one who works for a irrelevant news outlet
He says the s3 has an outdated processor. Is he serious? Thy shows me he knows nothing about this phone
http://www.examiner.com/article/rev...axy-s3-is-just-another-ordinary-android-phone
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First of all who is "examiner.com"? Secondly, the author lost all credibility with me when he wrote: However, you definitely feel the height and length when talking on the phone for a long time.What the heck is the difference between height and length?

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First of all who is "examiner.com"? Secondly, the author lost all credibility with me when he wrote: However, you definitely feel the height and length when talking on the phone for a long time.What the heck is the difference between height and length?
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Lol. Good point. Wth does that mean??
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That poor soul... c'mon guys give your sympathy to another iSheep added to the flock, scared to broaden his horizons. I pity the foo.
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He's more than entitled to his opinion but he should write about it intelligently.

Think the author of this article still drinks from a sippy cup, and needs to be led places, because he obviously has no thoughts of his own and is hand fed his knowledge from his mommy.... LOL... that or his IQ is very low.
All kidding aside this was so funny. I always love the apple fanbois.
I had the first iphone (before android was out), and I was part of the guys that was hacking it at version 1.02 of IOS, and figuring out jailbreaking and such.
I have owned Macs since the early 90s, but the iphone in my opinion is a kids toy, compared to Andriod based phones (much more customize-able, and "hack-able")

From the author of the article, "Fabio, any dual-core processor is outdated. The US version uses a dual-core processor."
I wonder if he even knows that his iPhone is outdated now.

El Nivek said:
From the author of the article, "Fabio, any dual-core processor is outdated. The US version uses a dual-core processor."
I wonder if he even knows that his iPhone is outdated now.
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Why is this guy even writing tech articles he obviously knows nothing about technology.

Ummm... Because anyone can call themselves a blogger and publish what they want?

ick!
I'm fed up with apple BS. I just had an argument this morning about android and ios with one of my close friend's who's also in IT. I'm an android fanboy but i can clearly say without any hesitation that apple does make great products. I had an iphone4, an ipad, and an apple tv. Good stuff. As much as I like their stuff, I don't think it's necessarily better; Just different. I like having a choice. I've been with android since day one and know that android is just as capable as any ios device, and in some cases more capable. I love than I can get a phone in any size shape or color from any carrier. Apple people think that's bad for some reason.
Ever listen to any of their presentations? They sound like this.
"70% of apple users upgrade to the latest version of our OS 100% more than any other OS. Today we're announcing that everyone can get the latest version for only... $20"
Does that make any sense to you? They actually said something like this at WWDC2012. Every one of their slides and charts has all sorts of skewed information and apple sheep eat it right up. Like when they say that the ipad has over 200k apps designed for it, then they diss android. But they don't mention that every single android app since ICS built for both phones and tablets. Nah they leave that part out.
Apple gets praised for selling OS updates for $20.
Windows gets slammed for giving people service packs for free.
Apple gets praise for updating it's last two iphones, but google gets slammed for only upgrading their last two and not the every other manufacturers phones. It seems unfair, and simply childish at this point trying to talk to apple people. God (for those who believe in him/her) could come from heaven and say that Android is really better, and apple people would still deny it.
This writer should be ashamed of himself for not only drinking the cool-aid, but for letting it skew his review and putting out bad information to consumers.

just left a nice comment under the name LearnGadget

Apparently many many people are annoyed with him...

Oh this kid clearly has never had 4.8" in his hand before

master acehole said:
Oh this kid clearly has never had 4.8" in his hand before
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He probably has in his mouth.

"The GPS eats a lot of battery life fast, so it's important to keep this off when you don't need it"
What? Really? So the phone uses GPS 24/7 now?
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pizz0wn3d said:
"The GPS eats a lot of battery life fast, so it's important to keep this off when you don't need it"
What? Really? So the phone uses GPS 24/7 now?
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Yeah that guy is a tool that doesn't know what he's talking about.

That article is funny, he's obviously clueless.
He comments later, "any dual-core processor is outdated."

This one is pretty funny too, not as bad but some of the claims are really biased-sounding.
It's at gadgetreview . com, can't post links...
"Compared to the Galaxy S II, the newer Galaxy S III looks plasticy and somewhat poorly built. The back panel is a single bendable plastic glossy slab, and the front is all display. Compare that with the iPhone, or any recent high-end smartphone, and the GS3 looks like a kids toy from the back. "
"My opinion is that iOS is still the stronger operating system; it’s simpler, easier to manage, and anyone switching between the two OS’s will be better off with iOS in any case."
"Samsung has included some great additions using their user interface, but it isn’t likely going to make the overall OS better than iOS. "

I don't think the guy has even held a gs3. And a simpler os does not make a better os. And any iphone ive used is always cluttered because the home screen holds all the apps.
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I just sent him this in an email, not because he doesn't like a phone that I do, but because he's an idiot! Lol
Dear uninformed,
Wow is all I have to say! I own several smartphones and one of those is a US Galaxy S3 variamt. I'm well aware that you did not ever actually use one of them before you wrote this review.
If you in fact have used any of them, then you have zero credibility when it comes to technology! Even if you don't care for the phone, which I personally like but there are others I care for more, your conclusions of outdated processor, bad camcorder, and camera is not as good as the s2, are so completely far off from what is obvious to even a smartphone beginner!
Total crap journalism, and absolutely the most uninformed, uneducated, clueless "tech journalist" (if that's your title at this.... Blog Site?) that I have ever layed eyes on!
By the way, we are having a hell of a time laughing our asses off at you in a thread dedicated just for you at XDA!
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.... SELECT A NEW LINE OF WORK!