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N1 so responsive and fast... Wtf.

The N1's app drawer is ridiculously fast, responsive, and 3D. The Evos is garbage, slow, and stuttery even with FPS cap removed. Why is this? They essentially have the same hardware... Why is the Evo so slow and stuttery? Is it the giant screen, perhaps?

werxen said:
The N1's app drawer is ridiculously fast, responsive, and 3D. The Evos is garbage, slow, and stuttery even with FPS cap removed. Why is this? They essentially have the same hardware... Why is the Evo so slow and stuttery? Is it the giant screen, perhaps?
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Screen size doesn't matter, the resolutions are the same. They use the same CPU/GPU and have the same amount of RAM. If you're running a Sense ROM then you have to consider all the extra processes that take up RAM and CPU time.
If you are running CM6 stable on both, the only other thing I can possibly think of is that there are differences between the GPU drivers.
Edit: are you comparing the Sense launcher with the stock/ADW/LP launcher? If you are, keep in mind that Sense is a ugly, inefficient, bloated POS.

werxen said:
The N1's app drawer is ridiculously fast, responsive, and 3D. The Evos is garbage, slow, and stuttery even with FPS cap removed. Why is this? They essentially have the same hardware... Why is the Evo so slow and stuttery? Is it the giant screen, perhaps?
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Get a new phone then...sheesh...
3D App Drawer can be tweaked for responsiveness so instead of giving the EVO a bad rap why don't you read through some threads for tweaks and actually try them before you make these kind of comments. Launcher Pro can be ran to use the 3D app drawer perhaps you would try it out? You can also set opening speeds etc.
EVO is garbage? Slow? Stuttery? You sure you are not an N1 or IPHONE troll?

mrmomoman said:
Get a new phone then...sheesh...
EVO is garbage? Slow? Stuttery? You sure you are not an N1 or IPHONE troll?
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That was a completely unneeded (and almost desperately defensive) response. I could really go in and show how "old" the tech in the EVO is, but it doesn't matter (and it doesn't bother me THAT MUCH either).

like i said in the other post from the same OP ... if he is that unhappy with sprint and the evo jump to a new company just about evey topic from this guy is bashing the evo in some way or another he is clearly unhappy with the phone and or service
and when people respond to it they get called and troll a and cussed out lol
/shrug if your unhappy why stick with it

Award Tour said:
That was a completely unneeded (and almost desperately defensive) response. I could really go in and show how "old" the tech in the EVO is, but it doesn't matter (and it doesn't bother me THAT MUCH either).
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Who is being defensive? Please this is the internet...
You don't have to show me anything I know enough about these phones thanks. Desperately defensive? Oh yeah that is it..
Please no arm chair psychology session here. I am making a statement if you don't like it you can choose to not comment on it.
We have been down this road a million times with the EVO is this or that....
I have enough "new" technology phones to keep me busy thanks.
If it doesn't matter then your comment wasn't necessary then correct?

Sporkman said:
like i said in the other post from the same OP ... if he is that unhappy with sprint and the evo jump to a new company just about evey topic from this guy is bashing the evo in some way or another he is clearly unhappy with the phone and or service
and when people respond to it they get called and troll a and cussed out lol
/shrug if your unhappy why stick with it
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SPORK! how is my beer in the garage fridge holding up?
I should have left it alone but I couldn't. It was just too tempting... Kinda like a cold beer in the middle of the Sahara....how can you pass it up?

mrmomoman said:
Who is being defensive? Please this is the internet...
You don't have to show me anything I know enough about these phones thanks. Desperately defensive? Oh yeah that is it..
Please no arm chair psychology session here. I am making a statement if you don't like it you can choose to not comment on it.
We have been down this road a million times with the EVO is this or that....
I have enough "new" technology phones to keep me busy thanks.
If it doesn't matter then your comment wasn't necessary then correct?
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FYI, I'm laughing right now.

mrmomoman said:
SPORK! how is my beer in the garage fridge holding up?
I should have left it alone but I couldn't. It was just too tempting... Kinda like a cold beer in the middle of the Sahara....how can you pass it up?
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refilled last night ready to go for the weekend lol !!

Award Tour said:
That was a completely unneeded (and almost desperately defensive) response. I could really go in and show how "old" the tech in the EVO is, but it doesn't matter (and it doesn't bother me THAT MUCH either).
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but the N1 is even older

nicholaaaas said:
but the N1 is even older
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..and used roughly the same CPU/GPU, resolution, and amount of RAM as the EVO which was also roughly used in the HD2 (w/ a bit more RAM) in 2009.

Award Tour said:
..and used roughly the same CPU/GPU, resolution, and amount of RAM as the EVO which was also roughly used in the HD2 (w/ a bit more RAM) in 2009.
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And since they prototype phones for a while before market release and they release info about it months ahead it would only make sense that a new phone won't always be the latest and greatest.
I digress...what's your point about the hardware being old? No one claimed latest and greatest or the best..
The OP made a comment about the 3D APP drawer in the N1and how the EVO is garbage. I responded and you are off on a tangent(laughing).
I am eating so I have time to kill boredom made me do it.
Spork...keep it cold!!. And drink it all..
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mrmomoman said:
And since they prototype phones for a while before market release and they release info about it months ahead it would only make sense that a new phone won't always be the latest and greatest.
I digress...what's your point about the hardware being old? No one claimed latest and greatest or the best..
The OP made a comment about the 3D APP drawer in the N1and how the EVO is garbage. I responded and you are off on a tangent(laughing).
I am eating so I have time to kill boredom made me do it.
Spork...keep it cold!!. And drink it all..
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Pretty simple. I said as long as you use similar ROMs/software, performance should be pretty equal since they (the Nexus One and the EVO) used the same hardware. Someone then mentioned that the Nexus One was older, I just re-emphasized what I said earlier. Still on topic IMO.

Here's a logical, on-topic for response for you OP, since I think that's what you were expecting in the first place:
The Evo will stutter when using the 3D app drawer because whatever launcher you are using is using high-quality icons for the display.. It's not sense, it's not the N1, it's not the hardware. I've always wondered why cyanogen configured adw to show a lot more icons on screen thus slowing down the animations.
Do this: Download LauncherPro, go to its Preferences, Advanced Settings and make sure "High quality scrolling" is off and "Use 3D drawer" is on. You'll notice it's just as smooth.
The evo just isn't optimized out of the box for it. That's all.

zeuzinn said:
Here's a logical, on-topic for response for you OP, since I think that's what you were expecting in the first place:
The Evo will stutter when using the 3D app drawer because whatever launcher you are using is using high-quality icons for the display.. It's not sense, it's not the N1, it's not the hardware. I've always wondered why cyanogen configured adw to show a lot more icons on screen thus slowing down the animations.
Do this: Download LauncherPro, go to its Preferences, Advanced Settings and make sure "High quality scrolling" is off and "Use 3D drawer" is on. You'll notice it's just as smooth.
The evo just isn't optimized out of the box for it. That's all.
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In LP high quality scrolling is off by default, don't know about the 3D drawer.

I get zero lag. I mean zero..with 3d app
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Interesting... so the 3d app drawer makes it run smoother? I should try that. I also noticed disabling live wallpaper makes it smoother too.

i run 3D app drawer with no lag

Sporkman said:
i run 3D app drawer with no lag
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Me too, but I think the kernel plays a part in that also.
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Upgrade to Epic 4g from evo 4g?

So my evo is starting to act up, wondering if the epic would be a viable replacement?
Anyone done this or have any input on it?
Mostly use my phones for the tether, texting and killing time at work.
Thanks for any help!
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Not much of an upgrade unless you want the keyboard or a slightly better screen if you ask me. If your phone is acting up it may be software related? Try flashing a different ROM or something

Could be rom, but Im thinking the meeting with the concrete today may have something to do with it to be honest.
Could be warranty time. Lol.
I'll try a different Rom in a bit.
Cyanogen mod time.
But nothing really better than the evo then?
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trueplaya89 said:
Could be rom, but Im thinking the meeting with the concrete today may have something to do with it to be honest.
Could be warranty time. Lol.
I'll try a different Rom in a bit.
Cyanogen mod time.
But nothing really better than the evo then?
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The Epic is better then an EVO overall..but it boils down to is it worth for you to spend money buying a new one...
your usage is mostly fairly simple, I guess you'd have better time texting if you use the physical kb I guess...or if by killing time you mean running high end games..then Epic would definitely be an improvement..
I mean what do you mean by "acting up" and "killing time"..be a bit specific?
I'll tell you this though Epic runs really awesome stock with little to no issues...

trueplaya89 said:
Could be rom, but Im thinking the meeting with the concrete today may have something to do with it to be honest.
Could be warranty time. Lol.
I'll try a different Rom in a bit.
Cyanogen mod time.
But nothing really better than the evo then?
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Let us answer that question after official froyo is released and/or Cyanogen mod is fully ported.

I have had 5 random restarts, seem to all happened during data usuage, but I haven't had random ones on this phone before. Trying to strain the phone some more now.
My usuage for my phone is mostly just the tether/wifi tether, facebook chat, texting, mp3 player occasionally, haven't really gotten into gaming on the phone.
I know it may me being paranoid... And I haven't bought a new phone in a while haha.
And anyone swype on their epic? Or is everyone all die hard keyboard?
Thanks everyone
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I just recently got the epic over the evo, due to the beautiful screen and so far I'm thrilled. The Evo is a very nice phone and I'd say on par with the epic but the epic has the keyboard along with a super amoled screen. Some say the 8MP camera is a plus for the evo but personally I'd rather have a samsung 5mp than a htc 8mp, just due to their reputation. But both take beautiful pics, so it really comes down to is the keyboard and amoled with gorilla glass worth it for you? I rarely use the slide out, mostly swype, but for long emails, texts, etc the slide out is extremely useful!
So evaluate the pros / cons and see if its worth it for you! I'm more than happy I went with the epic!
Sincerely,
D3luSi0n4L

I agree with D3luSi0n4L, you just need to evaluate the pros/cons as they pertain to you. I'm overall pleased with my Epic because IMO the screen quality is superior and I like to have a physical keyboard (especially when traveling, Emulators play nicely with keyboards ) The only hangup with the Epic is the lackluster support from Samsung. If you really like playing with new ROMs and constantly tweaking your phone, then the EVO will be better for you. Lets face it, HTC phones just have more support behind them. Hell, even the Hero is still getting updates...
Like i said, figure out what's most important to you and go from there.

The epic is a viable replacement. Its noticeably smaller though, even if its only .3 inches. That might make a difference. Other than that its basically the same+keyboard. And froyo isn't out officially yet. and there's a considerable difference in development for the epic and evo...so you might wanna take that into account too, although stock dk28 froyo is good enough. I've been running it since it firs got leaked and my gps is perfect and everythin else works. Even the browser. Wen froyo is officially released, this phone will easily beat evo
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Oh and swype is preinstalled lol
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Evo has Swype since last week's update.
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That's a downgrade if you ask me, I have both unless you game and watch movies. The Evo is a better daily functional phone, hands down.
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Basically the phones are very similar. You should try to see about that warranty before you drop a load of cash on a phone that isn't all that different. Are you out of warrantee/due for an upgrade? T-Mobile Nexus S looks yummy

sleepy8594 said:
That's a downgrade if you ask me, I have both unless you game and watch movies. The Evo is a better daily functional phone, hands down.
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Will have to agree with this statement. But again, this is MY OWN personal thoughts on it. I have both phones as well and I find myself using my EVO a lot more than my Epic. Not saying that the Epic is not a good phone because it is a good phone.
At the end of the day though, its all in what YOU want and what works best for YOU. Thats something no one can speak on. Either way, your in a win-win! GOOD LUCK!

trueplaya89 said:
I have had 5 random restarts, seem to all happened during data usuage, but I haven't had random ones on this phone before. Trying to strain the phone some more now.
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I remember hearing someone say they had this issue on multiple EVOs..not sure if its true or not but this is not an issue on the Epic.
My usuage for my phone is mostly just the tether/wifi tether, facebook chat, texting, mp3 player occasionally, haven't really gotten into gaming on the phone.
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Well both phones can do what you want...things come to mind is our Inferstructure tethering is right now 2.1 only, hopefully will be fixed soon..if ad hoc or wire tethering is what you need 2.2 works...as for mp3, we got 5.1 surround sound option if you have headsets that support it..
I know it may me being paranoid... And I haven't bought a new phone in a while haha.
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Boils down to your financials..I say go play with an Epic at the store to get a feel for it before deciding though...you can load up 2.2 on their demo phones while they arent looking too lol
And anyone swype on their epic? Or is everyone all die hard keyboard?
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A lot of people use swype..most ppl use kb for long messages and gaming...in my case I need kb for remote desktop programming in emergencies...I use on screen kb by default...but I do enjoy using the physical kb for when surfing the net..I so hate using the onscreen kb when surfing webpages on all phones in general..mostly since..
1) web is ment to be surfed vertical resolution anyways
2) the onscreen kb popping up is a mess that blocks my screen :/
hence the physical KB makes surfing the net more enjoyable for me at least..
If you would like to know what we got going over the EVO its:
1) Better processor
2) 3x better GPU
3) 6 axis accelometer
4) super amoled
5) keyboard
6) Better camera
7) Better Audio
8) Gorilla Glass
9) Built in video drivers such as xvid/divx/mkv etc
10) and more...
and probably a few other things I'm missing...I'm not saying the Epic has no flaws..but its definitely a step up hardware spec wise..

Nexus S experience (2 weeks in)

I LOVE my Nexus S! Sure its not perfect....I would have gone for a Desire HD if I wanted the "best". I got the Nexus because I wanted to play...and play I have
Never flashed a rom till this phone. Now I am getting obsessed, clockwork makes it so easy! Tried most of them and I am currently on Cyanogen nightlies. I so look forward to seeing these rom's mature (they are so good after only a few weeks already) and I expect we will have our Nexi (plural of Nexus??) outperforming more modern devices.
So yes, I am very happy and massive respect to the clever people who "cook" roms and kernals for the likes of me, and xda for making it accessible

amazing it is just waiting for cyanogen 7 final version

Amritttt said:
amazing it is just waiting for cyanogen 7 final version
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the nightly is just as stable as a daily driver.. you should try it
nandroid backup before if you change your mind

willcpfc said:
... and I expect we will have our Nexi (plural of Nexus??) outperforming more modern devices.
So yes, I am very happy and massive respect to the clever people who "cook" roms and kernals for the likes of me, and xda for making it accessible
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you can already out perform anything right now if you go for Bionix + Trinity ROM

zephiK said:
the nightly is just as stable as a daily driver.. you should try it
nandroid backup before if you change your mind
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Its the most stable I have used......its nice

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you can already out perform anything right now if you go for Bionix + Trinity ROM
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I was using that set-up....and it is awesome, powerful and a bit more edgy than cyanogen, however wifi/browser issues forced me to change for now. But I am obsessed now so changing back will be a pleasure when I can rely on wifi
But bionix is a perfect example of how our nexi will be beasts.....

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I was using that set-up....and it is awesome, powerful and a bit more edgy than cyanogen, however wifi/browser issues forced me to change for now. But I am obsessed now so changing back will be a pleasure when I can rely on wifi
But bionix is a perfect example of how our nexi will be beasts.....
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if 1400 is too much for your phone you can try 1300
or even lower 1200
1300 is stable for me, all features working
1400 is a bit too hot for comfort

AllGamer said:
if 1400 is too much for your phone you can try 1300
or even lower 1200
1300 is stable for me, all features working
1400 is a bit too hot for comfort
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I tried every combo I could.....each gave me the browser trouble
Complete wipes and fresh flashes.....but no joy.
But it is awesome! The kernal boots in seconds. I am sure they will make a stable version for my delicate device.
If my nexus was a car, Cyanogen is leather seats, neon lights and a spoiler....Bionix/trinity is putting a supercharged V10 under the hood

willcpfc said:
I LOVE my Nexus S! Sure its not perfect....I would have gone for a Desire HD if I wanted the "best". I got the Nexus because I wanted to play...and play I have
Never flashed a rom till this phone. Now I am getting obsessed, clockwork makes it so easy! Tried most of them and I am currently on Cyanogen nightlies. I so look forward to seeing these rom's mature (they are so good after only a few weeks already) and I expect we will have our Nexi (plural of Nexus??) outperforming more modern devices.
So yes, I am very happy and massive respect to the clever people who "cook" roms and kernals for the likes of me, and xda for making it accessible
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How refreshing to see a positive review from an NS owner. I also love my NS.

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How refreshing to see a positive review from an NS owner. I also love my NS.
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yeah the Nexus S has taken a lot of flack, sure it is not perfect and not the best ever phone feature wise.....but like you, I love it....It looks damn cool, stylish and it will always be more exotic than HTC etc.

How exactly would the 'best' be the desire hd

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How exactly would the 'best' be the desire hd
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Here in Britain its about as good as you will get spec wise no firebreathing evo's in our shops.

willcpfc said:
Here in Britain its about as good as you will get spec wise no firebreathing evo's in our shops.
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Trust me, I've owned an EVO 4G...there's nothing fire-breathing about it, at least not on Sprint's network here in Los Angeles. LOL

distortedloop said:
Trust me, I've owned an EVO 4G...there's nothing fire-breathing about it, at least not on Sprint's network here in Los Angeles. LOL
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Yeah but you got far more of a choice state side. I was so tempted by desire HD...that's what my head said....but my heart said nexus. Its like Droid x never made it here and nexus one is rare as hell...only one phone company stocked it

willcpfc said:
Here in Britain its about as good as you will get spec wise no firebreathing evo's in our shops.
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It's a nice bit of kit as you'd expect from HTC, but for me, the screen is just that little bit too big. Plus we get AMOLED on the lovely Nexus.
And NFC. Not that it's any use at the moment, but better to have the hardware and wait for Google to find something awesome to do with it than to get 6 months down the line and miss it...
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willcpfc said:
Here in Britain its about as good as you will get spec wise no firebreathing evo's in our shops.
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the Nexus S has a better CPU/GPU and better screen.
The Evo... Is even worse than the DHD

willcpfc said:
Yeah but you got far more of a choice state side. I was so tempted by desire HD...that's what my head said....but my heart said nexus. Its like Droid x never made it here and nexus one is rare as hell...only one phone company stocked it
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U don't want droid x crap...the rest yes cool phones. ..might own my first moto in 2 months. The atrix
I think the dhd is a nice device. I hate the entire sync ****. That phone spent the whole day syncing ...lol
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willcpfc said:
I LOVE my Nexus S! Sure its not perfect....I would have gone for a Desire HD if I wanted the "best".
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I handed my desire hd to the wife and got a nexus s. The nexus s is far better than the hd. You made the right choice.
-Joel

I love my Gf, daughter.... nexus S... ect
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I really love this phone and have had it since launch but I'm on number five. I just really have bad luck with these kinds of things or perhaps I'm just really ocd. I thought this last one would be perfect finally but I'm having really bad touch screen issues. The phone randomly goes unresponsive. The back button and pretty much the whole lower half of the phone or left side it you are not in landscape. Its starting and stopping even as I type. I love this phone when it works! I cringe every time I go to best buy because I feel like I'm some kind of hypochondriac but the problems are real! My first had a bad screen flaw and since then its been unresponsive back button like this one (minus the screen unresponsiveness), dim back button, dead pixel, and now this one. I have the black tie protection too. I'm not giving up on the phone but man its so frustrating. Just work without defect dang it!
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I'm sorry guys...I had to do this!

I just had to say that I'm loving this phone. I just got it today and I'm damn near in tears right now! I put on 2.2.1 and I think im set for forever. This phone crushes the Evo in every way...Well..some may bring up updates and bla bla but look at it this way. Gingerbread on the Evo is gonna be like Froyo on the Hero.The Evo just doesnt have the hardware to actually benefit from what they are trying to do with Gingerbread...The Evo simply can't play high end games no matter what's going on and after running Gingerbread on my Evo...its basically 2.2.1 on this Epic but with the different UI and keyboard. Long live Epic!

Its ok I feel.the way you do. At least your post wasn't a post about why don't we have froyo yet. Glad you love your phone. Are you putting any custom roms on it? Trust me you'll love it even more if you pit bonsai rom on it.
Sent from my Evo Killer!!!

I used the same old-fashioned cell phone for 10 years until I switched to a smartphone for the first time last September with the Epic 4G. Quite a shock, but well worth the careful wait.

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Its ok I feel.the way you do. At least your post wasn't a post about why don't we have froyo yet. Glad you love your phone. Are you putting any custom roms on it? Trust me you'll love it even more if you pit bonsai rom on it.
Sent from my Evo Killer!!!
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Ah, Froyo..well...to be honest, the Froyo for the Evo was pretty weak. It ran the same as 2.1, felt the same...only the sense from the Desire HD and Z and I think myTouch 4G actually have the real Froyo. The Evo just has the rushed Froyo >.< I'd much rather wait months for the real deal than the rushed one. And I just put some DK28 rom on it..like I said, I just got it today so if I'm sounding like an idiot please forgive me haha. I havent got the time to go through all of the posts in the Dev section. I did however go through the Dev section and look at some of the roms but there weren't many pics for most of em. I'd like to have the "stock" experience..I dont like themed roms. Is Bonsai themed?
Jayavarman said:
I used the same old-fashioned cell phone for 10 years until I switched to a smartphone for the first time last September with the Epic 4G. Quite a shock, but well worth the careful wait.
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You must've been blown away...this Epic is no entry level smartphone...this is the real deal. Looks like you may be set for another 10 years haha. I know I wont be changing phones for a while.

ms79723 said:
I'd like to have the "stock" experience..I dont like themed roms. Is Bonsai themed?
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The Frankenstein ROM strips away everything to reveal an even more stock stock. Very clean.

ms79723 said:
did however go through the Dev section and look at some of the roms but there weren't many pics for most of em. I'd like to have the "stock" experience..I dont like themed roms. Is Bonsai themed?
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Bonsai has it theme in a separate file so you can have the stock look or add the theme. And your timing is perfect, their new install process has streamlined everything to an amazing degree. I almost wish you'd started a week ago with the old way so you could appreciate what they've done

Yeah, I can't agree more. The ROM developers have made my Epic amazing.

Ya people hyped up the hero and the update was lame...

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Ya people hyped up the hero and the update was lame...
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What?
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What?
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I referenced the Hero in the first post.

ms79723 said:
I just had to say that I'm loving this phone. I just got it today and I'm damn near in tears right now! I put on 2.2.1 and I think im set for forever. This phone crushes the Evo in every way...Well..some may bring up updates and bla bla but look at it this way. Gingerbread on the Evo is gonna be like Froyo on the Hero.The Evo just doesnt have the hardware to actually benefit from what they are trying to do with Gingerbread...The Evo simply can't play high end games no matter what's going on and after running Gingerbread on my Evo...its basically 2.2.1 on this Epic but with the different UI and keyboard. Long live Epic!
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i just switched to the epic too.

fixxxer2008 said:
i just switched to the epic too.
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welcome to the epic side fixxer
just be calm here

First time rooting a phone here cw3 ext4 flashed 2.2.1 running incredibly fast. So glad I didnt follow my friends to the evo

The part about Gingerbread on the Evo. The Hero had heaps of problems, and coming from that phone, I have to say I disagree with the board angry at Samsung b/c the Hero, G2 or whatever T-Mobile's version and quite a few other phones were all *****ing about updates....and their updates didn't do much.

So Fixxxer can we get Fresh on here too? You guys pumped up my Hero

The Epic was my second smartphone - quite a step up from the HTC Hero, which later died on me.
I live in Canada and bought this phone for $300 no contract off of eBay, brand new (apparently, the seller said that it had a bad ESN, although I don't really care), and while it does have it's flaws (poor battery life, although the Evo also suffered from this and I'm told that the Evo has worse battery life), a bad GPS (calibrating the GPS can fix it), overheating issues when gaming, and a keyboard that misses keys), it's an otherwise good phone. After playing around with other Galaxy S variants, the Desire HD, Desire Z, Nexus One, Sony X10, and a few LG handsets, I wouldn't trade this phone for any other Android phone released in 2010.
Welcome to the Epic community!

sauron0101 said:
The Epic was my second smartphone - quite a step up from the HTC Hero, which later died on me.
I live in Canada and bought this phone for $300 no contract off of eBay, brand new (apparently, the seller said that it had a bad ESN, although I don't really care), and while it does have it's flaws (poor battery life, although the Evo also suffered from this and I'm told that the Evo has worse battery life), a bad GPS (calibrating the GPS can fix it), overheating issues when gaming, and a keyboard that misses keys), it's an otherwise good phone. After playing around with other Galaxy S variants, the Desire HD, Desire Z, Nexus One, Sony X10, and a few LG handsets, I wouldn't trade this phone for any other Android phone released in 2010.
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Let me tell you something sir...the issues like battery life and overheating are here but when compared to the Evo..I wouldnt even call them issues really.
With my Evo, battery life was so bad...I wish I could tell you how bad. Some people may say "its not that bad once you get a kernel" but it is that bad. This DK28 kernel gave me 7 hours with some pretty heavy usage, when i needed to charge it, i was at 10%...and I had 4G enabled the whole time. Thats not possible with the Evo at all...with how I was using the phone, I'd probably only get 3.5 hours. Battery life is abysmal. The worst thing I've ever seen on a smartphone.
Now with the overheating...this phone does some weird stuff. I cant understand it really...the battery temp stays around 80...thats the same with the Evo. While in use, the temp goes up to 86...thats with a lot of usage (listening to music and browsing). And then after it being at 86 for a while...it drops down to 83 while its still in use. Can the Evo do that? Hell no. The Evo goes from 80 to 96 in a New York minute, then continues to increase! You have to use setCPU profiles for screen off just to try to manage the temperature...its terrifying. So I mean...yeah the Epic heats up and what not and the battery aint 18 hours with heavy usage out of the box, but when it is compared to these HTC phones, this phone just looks perfect.
And i dont really want to start posting comments where im comparing the Evo and Epic but Im just so blown away...I mean, I put so much time into the Evo and its basically all I know but now that I have this Epic..this device is just so damn perfect, I cant stop talking about it..cant stop posting about it...this is how an android phone should be. I mean omg...has anyone ever looked at how it reads the voltages and temperature on here? Samsung has done it all right...its timers are spot on so when you use apps like Battery Indicator Pro, you can actually see differences because of the better timers. The Epic also has better voltage-percentage battery readings...while the Evo is all over the place. It will say 100% is 4.135V and then 99% is 4.035V then 98% would be 4.111V...I hated that. And because the Evo did that, you would always experience random drops in percentage after waking the phone up because it only checked the battery voltage when it was awake so..people in the Evo forum would be like "HEY GUYS, I LEFT MY PHONE OFF THE CHARGER FOR X-AMOUNT OF HOURS WHILE I WAS SLEEPING AND DIDNT LOSE A DROP!!" Well..they did in fact lose a lot of power, the phone just didnt match up teh voltages with the percentages while the phone was sleeping, so when they would start using the phone, the phone would drain like crazy while it tried to get to the right percentage. So annoying...
Im sorry for my rambling, I really am...its just that there's so much to compare here...and I dont think anyone's ever mentioned the voltage-percentage readings when comparing the phone, so at least im not saying anything thats been repeated.

Yes...I too am in love with my Epic. That love would be intensified if the keyboard issue was resolved. If our keyboard was better this phone would be on God level...its more Demi-God/Perseus level now. Still an amazing phone.

Quis89 said:
Yes...I too am in love with my Epic. That love would be intensified if the keyboard issue was resolved. If our keyboard was better this phone would be on God level...its more Demi-God/Perseus level now. Still an amazing phone.
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You talking about hitting multiple keys as in the issue? Strange enough..I only do that when Im in will lit areas where I can actually see the outline of the keys. When Im in a dark room and all i have to rely on is the backlight, im all good. But whats worse is that in both scenarios i do hit the other keys a lot, but it only registers one. So im constantly double checking because i hear like 3 clicks but it puts the letter i want up. Its kinda annoying but its all good.
Another thing that bugs me is the damn charging cable. That thing will come out for no reason. With the Evo, it was locked in so good you could give the phone with the cable in to one person and you grab the other end and together you could swing it around and jump rope. I move my phone over an inch and it pops out. But its all good.
And how many people installed the gingerbread theme? This thing is popping...the blacks...ahhhhh i love it. My background is black as well (got it from some backgrounds from the app Grallery. If y'all never used that app for backgrounds, you should check it out. Its a ton of abstract art and it looks amazing). With the black background and the vibrant colors on that background and the black status bar...it looks crazy in a dark room. Doesnt even look like you're holding a damn phone because it all blends in to the dark surrounding your in but yet the colors pop out...its just jaw dropping.
Edit: Going to try Bonsai right now...I hope its not themed...well even if it is..im just going to flash the Gingerbread theme right over it...

ms79723 said:
Another thing that bugs me is the damn charging cable. That thing will come out for no reason. With the Evo, it was locked in so good you could give the phone with the cable in to one person and you grab the other end and together you could swing it around and jump rope. I move my phone over an inch and it pops out. But its all good.
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My Epic is nothing like that ..You can plug in the stock charging cable, it snugs in on mine...I don't know about jump roping
But I can certainly, have the Epic dangling in the air by lifting it by the cable And it wont come out
Your cable might be messed up...You might want to try another different one.

Moving over from hd2

I can't wait for the roms to come out. Its simply amazing that my hd2 running android was actually faster than the samsung galaxy s2 but that is also disappointing given that I am supposes to be upgrading.
Having said that, at stock level the s2 its actually very good. Launcher pro is definitely faster than touchwiz. I have tried to stick with touchwiz but there doesn't seem to be any saving on battery life, hence no point when there are better home programs.
There are some debates about the gps but I get it working in seconds all the time even at home. The builds quality is really poor to the extent that I wanted too send it back the next day. It may be light but it doesn't exude style, more like cheapness. Battery is great without needing any compromise from me.
These comments are all compared too the hd2

hm, I also just migrated from HD2, but speed wise, none of the HD2 android builds I have tried comes even close to SGS II, so which build were you using?

Wtf u talking bout. Lol, android on hd2 was better than a lot of pure android phones. But against sgs2 ur crazy. What exactly is slow about touchwiz? Its not as integrated as sense but not slow on my device.
yeancheant said:
I can't wait for the roms to come out. Its simply amazing that my hd2 running android was actually faster than the samsung galaxy s2 but that is also disappointing given that I am supposes to be upgrading.
Having said that, at stock level the s2 its actually very good. Launcher pro is definitely faster than touchwiz. I have tried to stick with touchwiz but there doesn't seem to be any saving on battery life, hence no point when there are better home programs.
There are some debates about the gps but I get it working in seconds all the time even at home. The builds quality is really poor to the extent that I wanted too send it back the next day. It may be light but it doesn't exude style, more like cheapness. Battery is great without needing any compromise from me.
These comments are all compared too the hd2
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I also had the HTC HD2 before buying the SGS2. I used to be a flashing maniac. Everytime something new was released I had to try if it was better than what I had already tried. But enough of that.
Once I got my SGS2 I knew why I felt like getting a new, real android phone in the first place. The SGS2 has beat my old HD2 in every aspect.
I only miss the weight of the HD2. After holding it for so long the SGS2 feels like you have nothing at all in your hands.
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Touchwiz is ok but the experience is not as smooth as the iphone. Nor is it as good as my experience with darkstone ram build

Yay another fake "i come from xxx phone and the sgs2 sux!"
The sgs2 is extremely fast and responsive on stock rom, so good luck trolling on that lol.

Jonzza said:
I also had the HTC HD2 before buying the SGS2. I used to be a flashing maniac. Everytime something new was released I had to try if it was better than what I had already tried. But enough of that.
Once I got my SGS2 I knew why I felt like getting a new, real android phone in the first place. The SGS2 has beat my old HD2 in every aspect.
I only miss the weight of the HD2. After holding it for so long the SGS2 feels like you have nothing at all in your hands.
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+1, my thoughts exactly.
The HD2 was a fantastic phone, tons of ROMS and dev, but slow compared to the SG2

I don't mind the discussion but why the provocative choice of words.

+1 samething happens with every device released. Its either coming from xxx device or threatening current users with upcoming devices.
Hd2 is the flashers dream, and I have no problems with that device besides the fragile screen. But please remember that the hd2 is hacked/modded/tweaked to death. And I was there when it was just winmo 6.5. It was an extremely long process and has been in development for years now. Its a damn good android device but nowhere near the sgs2.
Its 10 times better than any iphone to above post.
bilboa1 said:
Yay another fake "i come from xxx phone and the sgs2 sux!"
The sgs2 is extremely fast and responsive on stock rom, so good luck trolling on that lol.
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Hmm, you must have a faulty GS2, as I had a GS2 for a bit, and it was so much faster than the HD2!
However, I'm back to HD2 now as the price GS2s were going for on ebay left me with no choice
If you're not making it up, can you please post your HD2 setup so I can make mine faster than a GS2 as well? I'd pay you if it worked!
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I probably should stop now as it is clear my experience is just mine. I use the darkstone ram build but with almost no other widget on. It was my weekend os as I needed windows mobile for work.
I certainly feel the iphone os had a more finished feel to the stock touchwiz. For example scrolling to the next screen with the ap news widget and the email widget below is not 100% smooth. A lot of you our there really love this phone and I don't mean to dispute.
In fact I wish I can delete this thread as it is now a meaningless reflection of my own and I accept that my opinions are not shared at all.

yeancheant said:
I probably should stop now as it is clear my experience is just mine. I use the darkstone ram build but with almost no other widget on. It was my weekend os as I needed windows mobile for work.
I certainly feel the iphone os had a more finished feel to the stock touchwiz. For example scrolling to the next screen with the ap news widget and the email widget below is not 100% smooth. A lot of you our there really love this phone and I don't mean to dispute.
In fact I wish I can delete this thread as it is now a meaningless reflection of my own and I accept that my opinions are not shared at all.
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Wow, I'm surprised that people are still using my build on the HD2
In some aspects the SuperRAM build will be faster since /system is completely in RAM. This is great for quick loading etc, but in terms of raw performance, the SGS2 has it beat
Still though, the HD2 is a great phone but I've moved on to the SGS2 now. I'll likely start working on this superphone some time soon

wow, i can't believe darkstone is commenting here haha - it was the last person i'd expect to see!
btw - i loved your ROMs, i was a major flashaholic with my HD2 ever since the beginning. Thanks for contributing to the huge breakthrough that was Android on the HD2! I still remember the first desire build
anyways, back to the thread topic
I'm currently using the HD2 and still waiting on Handtec to get stock for the 2nd preorder batch
The ONE MAJOR problem i had with the HD2 was that it did not have a "true" multitouch touch controller. Whenever two points were touched in parallel it would register it as one point of touch.
So my major issue was with TYPING on the HD2. I could never type fast because i had letters jumping here and there.
I temporarily switched to an Atrix and loved the multitouch keyboard. But after using it for about a month and reading about the S2 - i know what's better.
I had a bunch of issues with the Atrix as well so I cant wait to try out the S2. The qHD screen was nice , but the pentile matrix was too noticable for me. Plus it got WAAY too hot.
Here's hoping Handtec gets stock soon
AND I AM SO HAPPY DARKSTONE IS ON BOARD WITH THE S2!! I can't wait for custom roms

DarkStone1337 said:
Wow, I'm surprised that people are still using my build on the HD2
In some aspects the SuperRAM build will be faster since /system is completely in RAM. This is great for quick loading etc, but in terms of raw performance, the SGS2 has it beat
Still though, the HD2 is a great phone but I've moved on to the SGS2 now. I'll likely start working on this superphone some time soon
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Hey, I was quite happily using one of your ancient FroyoStone v3.1 (manually patched up and tweaked with my own stuff of course) until I jumped on the SGS2 just two days ago
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For example scrolling to the next screen with the ap news widget and the email widget below is not 100% smooth
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Mate, if you reckon the default TouchWiz interface is crap just ditch it and download one of the million launcher apps on the Market these days. I didn't bother with TouchWiz at all - I just migrated my entire LauncherPro setup from my HD2 to the SGS2. The only things that bug me on the SGS2 atm was the stupid battery drain (which I think I've just fixed this morning) and the lockscreen, which I'll be rid of as soon as someone ports over a stock Gingerbeard build.

I came over from Pongster's build because I was so fed up with custom notifications not working.
Only things I miss from the HD2 are the call end button, notification LED and easy access to the MicroSD card. Oh, and TomTom (in Windows of course).
The speed boost is really noticeable in comparison, especially on the Market when you're updating or installing several apps at once.
I'm baffled as to why Samsung made the card reader so hard to access with a battery removal.

Jonzza said:
I only miss the weight of the HD2. After holding it for so long the SGS2 feels like you have nothing at all in your hands.
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Well, yesterday I took my old HD2 in my hands after 3 weeks of using the Galaxy S II.
My reaction was: "How could I carry such an overweight brick for so long?"

I'll have a hard time leaving my old HD2 behind. It may be a heavy brick but it's a good looking and tough brick. And with AmericanAndroid's Gingerbread build and the MIUI Gingerbread builds it's also been really fast and efficient with battery.
*sniff* , oh well at the end of the day it still isn't a "real" android phone so it will be nice to see what that feels like. And I've always got a solid backup if the Sammy goes on the blink. Hopefully Darkstone will have some nice treats for us in the future as well. His Froyostone Sense build was my first HD2 Android experience.

Having moved over from the HD2 myself the only disadvantage I notice is a reduction in WiFi signal strength. The S2 is a lot faster though overall, there is simply no comparison in that respect and I have used virtually every HD2 Android build available at one time or other, both SD and nand.
I miss my MIUI roms though, I'm looking forward to the S2 getting them.

DarkStone1337 said:
I've moved on to the SGS2 now.
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Over the Evo 3D? :-o
The Evo 3D has the SGS2 beat in every way save for the hacky "internal storage." The screen especially is better on the Evo 3D (qHD S-LCD). Plus it, like, has 3D.
Hurry before it's too late and you're forced to buy the SGSII! XD

curiousGeorge said:
Over the Evo 3D? :-o
The Evo 3D has the SGS2 beat in every way save for the hacky "internal storage." The screen especially is better on the Evo 3D (qHD S-LCD). Plus it, like, has 3D.
Hurry before it's too late and you're forced to buy the SGSII! XD
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