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Why is it that all the coolest gadgets get to one of the worst carriers first? I love the specs of the Supersonic (EVO 4G) or whatever you want to call it. The problem is with Sprint. I've tested HTC EVDO products (HTC Titan) back to back with HTC GSM products (HTC TyTN). The CDMA products suck battery life much more quickly than the GSM products. If found this on almost every Sprint and Verizon CDMA smartphone. This is probably why the the Supersonic has a larger battery.
Also, it is true that some CDMA products do not allow simultaneous data and voice transmission. This may not be true of this device because it will be able to do CDMA for phone and WimaX for data. I am very interested in this device but I'd be much more interested if this device were on AT&T or even T-Mobile.
I am loving the HD2 running on AT&T. But I'd love more internal memory, the front facing camera, the kickstand, the better camera, etc.
sprint is the cheapest carrier, but valid point with battery useage. I also don't particularly like having to get an "OK" from sprint to change phones. Wish you could use a SIM card.
question though... how often are you browsing the web or using data while talking on the phone? I can't think of one instance in my past 10 years with a cell phone that I needed data while talking. If you're on the net, your data gets put on hold untill after your phone call is over. Back when I had dialup, my phone service offered a similar feature, and cdma does the exact same thing.
As far as everything else, speeds, coverage, dropped calls, annoying but I hear complaints from customers from all the different carriers, it's a cell phone thing.
OH! and where's my damn sprint iPhone? I'm calling BS on cdma getting all the cool toys... I had to wait a year before sprint finally got an android phone, while t-mobile / att had all types of phones that could be used on their network *rage*
let us have our moment in the spotlight for once.... sheesh
hold on boy
i think sprint is the better than att all the way. at least here in San Francisco.
The plans are better than att.
i have friends with their iphones and their internet sucks compare with my htc pro 2 on sprint.
And htc evo data details.
4g + data= Works
3g + data= No
wifi+data=Works
I can't wait for this phone.
No matter what carrier get the cool things first there is always some spoiled brat shouting out loud.
OH! and where's my damn sprint iPhone? I'm calling BS on cdma getting all the cool toys... I had to wait a year before sprint finally got an android phone, while t-mobile / att had all types of phones that could be used on their network *rage*
let us have our moment in the spotlight for once.... sheesh
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This.
No matter what carrier get the cool things first there is always some spoiled brat shouting out loud.
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And this @ OP.
I really really hope there is a GSM version coming out soon.
lol there is gonna be a GSM version no doubt. there will definitely be a variant of the Supersonic(aka EVO 4G here in the US for Sprint) in Europe/overseas NO DOUBT that you'll only be able to use on EDGE here but there will probably also be a GSM variant here in the states for another carrier that is basically the same phone but a little different and with different radios or whatever. an example would be the supersonic for t-mobile, lets say their first HSPA+ compatible phone or something, they call it whatever they want and HTC basically makes it for them using the core parts of the supersonic and keeps everything like android and whatnot and just changes up the radio and changes CDMA to GSM and puts in tmo's 3g bands in the radio, and whatever other physical changes t-mo may want like the buttons and whatever.
rambo6 said:
Why is it that all the coolest gadgets get to one of the worst carriers first? I love the specs of the Supersonic (EVO 4G) or whatever you want to call it. The problem is with Sprint. I've tested HTC EVDO products (HTC Titan) back to back with HTC GSM products (HTC TyTN). The CDMA products suck battery life much more quickly than the GSM products. If found this on almost every Sprint and Verizon CDMA smartphone. This is probably why the the Supersonic has a larger battery.
Also, it is true that some CDMA products do not allow simultaneous data and voice transmission. This may not be true of this device because it will be able to do CDMA for phone and WimaX for data. I am very interested in this device but I'd be much more interested if this device were on AT&T or even T-Mobile.
I am loving the HD2 running on AT&T. But I'd love more internal memory, the front facing camera, the kickstand, the better camera, etc.
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Last time i checked, Sprint (and by extension CDMA) usually gets last dibs on the cool phones. Name them...Touch Diamond/Pro/Pro 2, HTC Hero, Nexus 1. They never even carried the Touch Diamond 2 till today.
it is true, I wish there were sim cards.. but other than that, in the bay area, sprint kicks ass!
I have never gotten one dropped call since I got my hero, and I talk 2000+ minutes a month. I have 3g almost everywhere.
Also, no matter what people say, sprint has amazing customer service. I mean, at least you don't get put on the line with some indian guy half way around the world who just tells you to turn your phone off then on again...
oh and, at&t just sucks... no matter what hahah I'm glad sprint is stepping up to the plate. they offer amazing deals, great phones (as of now) and I think, are starting to move up in the world
There is a GSM variant, Its called the HD2.
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There is a GSM variant, Its called the HD2.
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iseewutyoudidthere
but sadly you're wrong.
gmelchert said:
it is true, I wish there were sim cards.. but other than that, in the bay area, sprint kicks ass!
I have never gotten one dropped call since I got my hero, and I talk 2000+ minutes a month. I have 3g almost everywhere.
Also, no matter what people say, sprint has amazing customer service. I mean, at least you don't get put on the line with some indian guy half way around the world who just tells you to turn your phone off then on again...
oh and, at&t just sucks... no matter what hahah I'm glad sprint is stepping up to the plate. they offer amazing deals, great phones (as of now) and I think, are starting to move up in the world
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AT&T does suck, but I'm stuck on them. I use Sprint for my data service (aircards FTW) and they have AMAZING customer service. Whereas AT&T just *****es about everything and tells you how wrong you are, then tells you how happy they are you stay them. If they didn't have such fast 3G (which in my rural area isn't crowded, so it is reliable) I would switch to Sprint in a heartbeat. Too bad EvDo pretty much sucks
Shadow591 said:
There is a GSM variant, Its called the HD2.
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Or the Nexus
I think the battery suck issue is not so bad given the fact that you can get almost unlimited voice, data, and messaging (of all sorts), plus turn by turn GPS+traffic routing, for $70/mo, less with discounts.
Where's AT&T or TMo's 4G network? I don't hear them actually deploying LTE in any other market other than testing. Kudos to Sprint... psyched for EVO.
ok, so the deal with this phone, ive been reading up on the specs, 4g (6mb/s) is 10x faster then 3g(300mb/s) i run off clearwire internet witch happens to run off the same exact wi-max as sprint and let me tell you, it is FAST. the processor in the phone is a massive 1ghz! for a phone, thats a overkill, plus 588mb of ram... i cant wait to try to overload this phone... probaly take 50+ apps running at once... 4.3 inch touch screen, 8 mega pixel camera, android 2.1 (unless they release a update before the phone is released) i say all in all this phone is going to be by far the fastest android phone on the market, and PS: the HTC HD2 IS the same exact phone just running WinMo 6.5, slightly better processor but clocked the same, same ram, same screen size, its the same phone with a slightly different button layout.
you can check out the side by side specs here
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There is a GSM variant, Its called the HD2.
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The HD2 doesn't run Android.
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Wrong OS, mate.
he did say "variant"
as in its not exactly the same but close, a knockoff, cousin, whatever. everything is almost identical spec wise just the os is different. thus its a variant. if GSM'ers want the evo in a gsm model. you could help with the port of android to the hd2. just a thought.
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It's not really a variant. The OS makes them completely different. One is full of future; another is just about dead. Unless someone could port a high quality and well tested Android into it, then it would be a different story.
Well I the closes variant to the Evo 4g is the Desire or Nexus One. If you can do away with the 4.3 inch screen, 4g Wimax, 8MP camera and the extra memory. Well the year is young, so who knows.
Sprint is great in Minneapolis.
Come to papa Evo.
Will it be possible to put the Epic on boost mobile like many have done the Touch pro 2 and some droid phones.
*Boost mobile is CDMA* non walkie talkie
*Boost Mobile is IDEN* with walkie talkie
I'd imagine that ESN swapping makes anything possible..
never done that before is that easy and how could i do that
It's illegal...
WHY is it illegal? whats the actuall reason why its Illegal?
It's an FCC violation to tamper with serial numbers. You're committing fraud.
Ok understood is there any other way that i could the epic 4g to work on boost
why? you that broke that you cant afford a monthly bill, but can afford the phone?
I CAN afford sprints everything data plan as well as i can afford Sprints simply unlimited plas as well as to purchase the phone out of contract i just dont like to be in contract and i prefer to pay $50 over $100 a month.
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I CAN afford sprints everything data plan as well as i can afford Sprints simply unlimited plas as well as to purchase the phone out of contract i just dont like to be in contract and i prefer to pay $50 over $100 a month.
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but for 50 dollars less, its a smaller network with no coverage.
Either way, no, it won't happen.
not true i have had great reception wherever i go the few times i have had no sprint service my phone goes into verizon service all that for $50 less on tp2
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It's an FCC violation to tamper with serial numbers. You're committing fraud.
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Tampering with serial numbers is illegal, but not taking the phone to another carrier. Thanks to the FCC you can take any phone to any compatible network. If IPhone was CDMA sprint would have to let you put it on. They may fight you and they don't have to support the phone, but they have to let you use it. This has been talked about tons of time on XDA. Search it. Boost will probably have no problems. Just no support for the phone.
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Tampering with serial numbers is illegal, but not taking the phone to another carrier. Thanks to the FCC you can take any phone to any compatible network. If IPhone was CDMA sprint would have to let you put it on. They may fight you and they don't have to support the phone, but they have to let you use it. This has been talked about tons of time on XDA. Search it. Boost will probably have no problems. Just no support for the phone.
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how would i be able to make boost accept the epic on their system and in regards to support who cares if they dont support it thats why we have xda
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how would i be able to make boost accept the epic on their system and in regards to support who cares if they dont support it thats why we have xda
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Well one reason you care if they support it or not is because of issues you can potentially run into that can't be helped. I know someone who works for Criket who talks about people who bring phones from other carrier onto their plan, and how some people might not be able to send or receive, txts or calls or what not and the carrier can't support it at all. I guess if enough people put the epic on boost and it was a phone software thing that could be modified to make boost and the phone play nice then you'd have no issues, and of course it all depends, many phones will be just fine on other carriers, but there is the risk. Luckily since boost mobile is sprint, this hopefully is a nonissue and I'm just being silly.
First off, Sprint WILL NOT activate a non-sprint phone on their network. Simply will not happen, just like Verizon (who used to if you found an easy-going rep) will not. Since Boost IS Sprint, it just won't happen.
Secondly, the reason Sprint won't let you activate the phones on the Boost plan is because those devices are tied to specific plans that Sprint offers. There's a reason NOBODY has gotten an EVO, Instinct, Pre, Pixi, Hero, Moment, Bold, Tour, etc on Boost or Virgin without tampering with the ESNs, and it's the same reason why the Epic won't be on there either. The only Sprint phones you can activate on Boost are the non "everything plan required" phones, and you'll never see a non-Sprint, non-Boost phone on there.
I'm fairly certain you can use it on Cricket or MetroPCS, if that's useful. No promises that it'll work perfectly, but it'll likely work to some degree.
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why? you that broke that you cant afford a monthly bill, but can afford the phone?
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Cost of the phone is trivial compared to the plan.
I'm not going to start anything. Just google Evo on boost and it will probably lead to the same with the epic. But... There is always a way.
Ive read all sms mms and 3G works on EVO. No 4G. So I'd bet on the Epic too.
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I'm not going to start anything. Just google Evo on boost and it will probably lead to the same with the epic. But... There is always a way.
Ive read all sms mms and 3G works on EVO. No 4G. So I'd bet on the Epic too.
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im going to do that maybe after or week or two of the phones releas. I know someone is gonna be able to do it. were there is a will theres a way! LoL. im perfectly fine with only 3g besides there isnt any 4g speeds where i live so it wont make any difference to me. i dont want to be stuck in a contract or have a plan with any limitations. oh and $100 a month for everything unlimited yeah right not gonna happen.
can it be done now? Epic on boost anyone care to share how too
i know its possible just want to know how
Just read the article on engadget. 50 for 5gb and 80 for 10gb. With 10$ over charges. Not sure if its all lte phones or only for the service though. Still sucks imo. I'll take sprints 10$ 4g charge any day.
Edit: Reading comprehension failure. Think this is not mobile lte data plans.
I just hope Sprint can keep up with coverage.. verizons will be the same as their 3g coverage in around 2 years..
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We all know verizon will be a reliable lte provider. But can they keep up with sprints pricing.
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Sprint's isn't even true 4g though. I feel like because they went with wimax they did get ahead of the game, but now that companies are coming out with true 4g they will be way behind because LTE covers MUCH more area. LTE towers reach farther then even 3g towers which crushes wimax. I hope sprint has a plan for this because I don't want to have to change phone plans again >.<
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Sprint's isn't even true 4g though. I feel like because they went with wimax they did get ahead of the game, but now that companies are coming out with true 4g they will be way behind because LTE covers MUCH more area. LTE towers reach farther then even 3g towers which crushes wimax. I hope sprint has a plan for this because I don't want to have to change phone plans again >.<
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Uh, no one has true 4G. In order to get that, you have to wait for Wimax 2 and LTE-Advanced.
And "The WiMAX Forum expects to see WiMAX Release 2 available commercially in the 2011-2012 timeframe."
The LTE-Advanced standard won't even be ratified until 2011.
I thought Dan Hesse came out and said that Sprint was looking into bolstering the "4G" network with an LTE network. is this no longer the case?
Also, those verizon prices are beyond ridiculous. i very much hope that sprint doesn't move to a tiered plan.
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I thought Dan Hesse came out and said that Sprint was looking into bolstering the "4G" network with an LTE network. is this no longer the case?
Also, those verizon prices are beyond ridiculous. i very much hope that sprint doesn't move to a tiered plan.
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They most likely will. If not, there is a lot of money to be lost there. It's becoming an industry standard.
SilverStone641 said:
I thought Dan Hesse came out and said that Sprint was looking into bolstering the "4G" network with an LTE network. is this no longer the case?
Also, those verizon prices are beyond ridiculous. i very much hope that sprint doesn't move to a tiered plan.
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He stated that he is fully committed to wimax. He did state earlier that he was thinking about testing out LTE alongside wimax.
Ha.... I thought that was 2 different people posting... D:
Ill take sprint any day of the week as they are the only contender with a truely unlimited data plan.
I pay for tethering, im rooted and could get it for free, but pushing no-fine-print unlimited data is is a huge huge win in my book, not to mention that sprint hasn't screwed me over once since I switched from t-mobile (t-mobile screwed me over every chance they got), they did kinda sneak the $5 spending limit onto my account, but after a quick chat with a rep, they now give me $4.99 credit toward my bill every month.
Wimax is still rolling out in my area (I can get the signal, but its weak and slow), so I primarily use 3G. My second job is fixing computers/building computers/rooting android phones, I'm not always at home for this, and when I'm at a clients house/coffee shop with crap wifi (cough...cough...starbucks) its so freakin' nice to be able to tether and download all the drivers/updates/.zips/roms I need without worrying about going over my data limit. Sprints 3G might not be as fast as a regular internet connection, but sometimes its all I have access to, and its usually better that using Quest DSL through the $10 walmart-special router.
....I pushed nearly 70GB last month in 3G data, and 37GB in the last two weeks....not a single peep/complaint/charge from sprint.
I dont care how fast a network is, being able to do what I do with my phone makes my job much much easier and less of a headache, in my book unlimited data>network speed. Im eagerly awaiting the 4G rollout in my area, as it rivals my oversaturated comcast connection.
It also feels good knowing that, if sprint ever does decide to change their plans on data usage, I will be grandfathered into unlimited data for my stay. I also see this as being one of the last non-tiered data plans avalable (at least in the US anyway), if sprint ever does change, their wont be any more.....
...well, that was a long rant...
starnostar said:
My second job is fixing computers/building computers/rooting android phones, I'm not always at home for this, and when I'm at a clients house/coffee shop with crap wifi (cough...cough...starbucks) its so freakin' nice to be able to tether and download all the drivers/updates/.zips/roms I need without worrying about going over my data limit.
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Hold on. you use other people's work(i assume you DIDN'T build your own root method) that is offered freely and CHARGE people for it?? dude...
SilverStone641 said:
Hold on. you use other people's work(i assume you DIDN'T build your own root method) that is offered freely and CHARGE people for it?? dude...
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not to go OT, but it sounds like he is selling his labor and time, not the rom itself.
Nefariouss said:
Just read the article on engadget. 50 for 5gb and 80 for 10gb. With 10$ over charges. Not sure if its all lte phones or only for the service though. Still sucks imo. I'll take sprints 10$ 4g charge any day.
Edit: Reading comprehension failure. Think this is not mobile lte data plans.
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Ima sprint cust but work for vzw those plans are for tge modems not phones no word yet on the premium data for phones
Little off topic I realize but with all the buzz... I'd like to see Sprint and T-Mobile merge and bang some heads in both the wired/wireless telco industries.
Hell..smack around the cable companies too. They got their day coming.
One day a majority of their subscribers will finally realize they can get same content or better on the web and start leaving in droves.
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Little off topic I realize but with all the buzz... I'd like to see Sprint and T-Mobile merge and bang some heads in both the wired/wireless telco industries.
Hell..smack around the cable companies too. They got their day coming.
One day a majority of their subscribers will finally realize they can get same content or better on the web and start leaving in droves.
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First of all, why would you want a sprint/t-mobile merger?? T-mobile has nothing that we don't. Secondly, what would sprint OR tmobile have to do with cable companies? wouldn't sites like hulu, vudu and boxee be better suited to "smack the cable companies" around? i believe most people are aware that they can get all their normal shows online. the cable box is just too convenient and familiar.
crazyloof said:
Sprint's isn't even true 4g though. I feel like because they went with wimax they did get ahead of the game, but now that companies are coming out with true 4g they will be way behind because LTE covers MUCH more area. LTE towers reach farther then even 3g towers which crushes wimax. I hope sprint has a plan for this because I don't want to have to change phone plans again >.<
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LTE does not necessarily reach further its the frequency that reaches further. Verizon is using a lower frequency which does travel further so its the spectrum that Verizon has not the technology. Also neither wimax nor LTE are true 4g. When a car has the radio up loud you hear the base first because base travels further because it is a lower frequency.
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LTE does not necessarily reach further its the frequency that reaches further. Verizon is using a lower frequency which does travel further so its the spectrum that Verizon has not the technology. Also neither wimax nor LTE are true 4g. When a car has the radio up loud you hear the base first because base travels further because it is a lower frequency.
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Your facts are correct but the car audio analogy is not. Lower frequencies do not travel faster. They just penetrate obstacles better. This means they penetrate building walls better for indoor coverage and they penetrate air better, going farther before the signal has degraded beyond usability.
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Uh, no one has true 4G. .
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"True 4g" has been defined as "capable of reaching 1gbit/sec"
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"True 4g" has been defined as "capable of reaching 1gbit/sec"
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4G also does not just mean speed. A true 4G network is an all IP network. Meaning no more circuit switched voice call transmission. Everything is packet switched. Calls are VOIP. A true 4G network allows VOIP calls to seamlessly be handed off to a wifi connection and back ect. All these carriers boasting 4G has degraded the significance of what a true 4G network is. And no one is there to blow the whistle on this false advertising.
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Your facts are correct but the car audio analogy is not. Lower frequencies do not travel faster. They just penetrate obstacles better. This means they penetrate building walls better for indoor coverage and they penetrate air better, going farther before the signal has degraded beyond usability.
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Further not faster.
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jkinnison90 said:
I just hope Sprint can keep up with coverage.. verizons will be the same as their 3g coverage in around 2 years..
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Which conveniently is when my contract is up on my EVO.
I'll go to whoever has the best technology at the best price. I bought the iPhone 3G on release and then switched to the EVO after my contract. If someone has a better option in 2 years then I'll go with that.
Wimax is more than enough to get me through it.
Severe bandwidth problems to come on the 10th of February and onwards. I left ATT for this?? Crap.. I knew i should have gotten an Epic.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/splash/iphone.jsp
The main difference between AT&T and Verizon is that verizon purchased the largest carrier in the country(network footprint wise) a couple years back leaving them with the most robust network in the country.
AT&T is a bunch of asshats that stopped spending on towers when they figured out that their customers were sufficiently complacent about the network problems being a way of life.
Have you seen any of the articles stating that Android/BB users tend to use more bandwidth on average than iPhone users? What are the biggest smartphones on VZW? Will it cause more network load, yes, but I doubt it will be anything that's going to cripple Verizon's network like it did for AT&T.
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I doubt it will be anything that's going to cripple Verizon's network like it did for AT&T.
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true dat.
VZW got that beefy backhaul
big red prepared, at&t underestimated and has paid for it in customer satisfaction ever since
for more on this: http://gizmodo.com/5730554/will-the-iphone-crush-verizons-network
I really don't think the Iphone is better then any android phone with the balls to back it up. Really you get more out of Google's Android for free then you do from Apple and their aps that you pay for.
I'm going to hold out till something convinces me that my Fascinate is no longer worth it. Could be 2 more years since I just got mine last September.
Interesting. Read the tech specs, it's all GSM information. Wonder if that's live information or just something they put up there for now.
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Interesting. Read the tech specs, it's all GSM information. Wonder if that's live information or just something they put up there for now.
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The phone is identical except for having a CDMA radio instead of the GSM radio. So just replace quad band gsm with 800mhz and 1900mhz for CDMA and remove the ability to talk and download at the same time.
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The phone is identical except for having a CDMA radio instead of the GSM radio. So just replace quad band gsm with 800mhz and 1900mhz for CDMA and remove the ability to talk and download at the same time.
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.... and gain the ability to actually talk when you want to wherever you are.
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I really don't think the Iphone is better then any android phone with the balls to back it up.
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Yeah, but that's not the point... The point is that some of the iHerd will be coming over from AT&T to *add* to all the Android users we're sharing bandwidth with now. Especially in the major markets where AT&T is really bad (like, um, Manhattan), this could mean a BIG spike/shift in data use.
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haha^^
Besides, even if it did cripple data (and it wont), why would it cripple voice? Uninformed threads ftl.
Now we are going to find out the truth. Is it the iphone or AT&T's crappy network.
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Now we are going to find out the truth. Is it the iphone or AT&T's crappy network.
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Both, my iphone and my wifes iphone had vastly different signal quality and dropped calls even when sitting right next to eachother.
I have an ipod touch 4g and a fascinate. Once they get the jailbreak for the 4.2 OS the touch will complement my rooted facinate nicely. Don't need no iphone
I think everyone kind of glossed over what Adrynalyne was saying so let me say it again for him. We use a different type of technology from ATT for cell phone service. It would be pretty hard to create the same type of technical problems due to this. ATT uses a gsm service that uses data and voice over the same bandwith pipe, so huge spikes in either could potentially disrupt the other. Obviously now a days people use data way more than voice, so it has been a thorn in ATT's side because they could never keep up with the bandwith. Verizon on the other hand has voice and data coming down two different pipes, which keeps them separate. All the worrying about call dropping and quality doesn't make sense because iPhone users don't just make phone calls and leave their phone running on calls all day (at least the ones I know) It can, however, effect our data speeds and usage. We already have slower theoretical max speeds than that of ATT, so a slowdown could affect us with less users that of ATT users. But luckily for us, when the iPhone 5 drops, we more advanced android users will be on LTE leaving the unwashed masses to their iPhones on CDMA .
CDMA technology also requires a denser tower configuration compared to GSM, so VZW should have more towers in place where they have service compared to AT&T. Each tower has it's own connection to the internet, so the denser tower configuration should also help distribute the potential increased data load. I also think that the load will be a temporary spike. The first week or two after the release will be the worst as every goes data happy with their new phones. After that, there will be normal usage and rates should return to a somewhat normal level.
I used a Captivate, iphone and several other phones on ATT. It's always the same story, multiple disconnects during travel, very slow data rates and bad reception frequently. We know that ATT fudged their signal strength already, the towers are simply too far apart. But with the expected 9 million plus users, even Verizon towers could get onslaught-ed. I would expect that APPLE, notoriously known for strong arm tactics even forced VERIZON to bump us android users off a call if an iPhone user was using simultaneously and there was no room. Probably part of the contract with Apple. We know Verizon was desperate for this move and is scheduled to lose over 5 Billion in the first year subsidizing Apple. If you in anyway think this is not going to affect us, you are crazy.
It's possible that the ATT users of iphones actually get a boost from this while we Verizon subscribers suffer.
As of around this point last year, Verizon had 91+ million subscribers, and AT&T wasn't too far behind (~85 million). The number of VZW subscribers isn't going to spike by some crazy number so much so that VZW's network is going to be brought to it's knees. Android phones aren't exactly bandwidth friendly, so if it's not an issue now, it won't be when the iPhone gets release.
Verizon is seriously OCD about their network, it's part of the reason testing takes so damn long. You can bet they've thought long and hard about the projected spikes, and have made sure their network can handle it. AT&T was in a position where they needed everything they could get, and they underestimated the iPhone's popularity. It's no mystery that the iPhone will sell on Verizon, but there's a history Verizon can use to make sure they're prepared.
I'm not concerned...
orateam said:
I used a Captivate, iphone and several other phones on ATT. It's always the same story, multiple disconnects during travel, very slow data rates and bad reception frequently. We know that ATT fudged their signal strength already, the towers are simply too far apart. But with the expected 9 million plus users, even Verizon towers could get onslaught-ed. I would expect that APPLE, notoriously known for strong arm tactics even forced VERIZON to bump us android users off a call if an iPhone user was using simultaneously and there was no room. Probably part of the contract with Apple. We know Verizon was desperate for this move and is scheduled to lose over 5 Billion in the first year subsidizing Apple. If you in anyway think this is not going to affect us, you are crazy.
It's possible that the ATT users of iphones actually get a boost from this while we Verizon subscribers suffer.
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1. Not all AT&T iPhone users are going to switch over on 2/10, and there are a ton of reasons for this. Mainly corporate discounts, service, carrier history, cost, etc.
2. They will not kick people off of their connection if a tower is overloaded. If they do and get caught, you can imagine the law suit that would cause.
3. Verizon is not desperate for customers/iPhone. If the rumors are true, Verizon passed up the iPhone the first time around. And with all the money being put into the DROID lineup, why would they be desperate to bring in it's biggest competitor.
4. AT&T users will still have issues because AT&T has a crappy network. It won't be as bad, but it will still have its problems.
lets be honest. at&t sucked before the iphone. vzw will have a proportional number of people switching to lte anyway will offset any iphone att&t ship jumpers.
we will be fine with our robust network and ****ty customer service. vzw will be able to justify their arrogance well into the future.
have no fears.
Xanius said:
The phone is identical except for having a CDMA radio instead of the GSM radio. So just replace quad band gsm with 800mhz and 1900mhz for CDMA and remove the ability to talk and download at the same time.
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Stop parroting AT&T's marketing, it makes you look like a shill. CDMA has never had that ability. It's a function of the radio hardware, and yet CDMA carriers still dominate the cell phone market in the US, and many other areas.
Read facts, then post. It's a much more rewarding path.
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Welp, looks like it's going that way...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/15/sprint-evaluating-switch-to-lte-over-the-next-four-to-six-months/
...thing is, there hasn't been any new WiMAX phone announced this year, so either they're relying on riding that EVO and Epic wave to get new WiMAX customers, or maybe they do have something up their sleeve.
In any event, I don't see that many new customers signing up for Wimax, so to LTE Sprint will go. Now what do we do with our Evo at that point?
Other than the shifts but if they give me a choice to choose a new phone I'm in
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It's like sprint is playing the "you can't get mad at me, i'm not touching you" while holding hand in front of face game with all these changes that piss everybody off without letting them go etf-free
Oh, they would have to provide us with a LTE phone if they do switch. At least offer us a pretty hefty discount. Otherwise, I see a huge class-action lawsuit headed over their way. I'd love for this switch to happen. WiMax is just not cutting it.
From the user comments of the linked article:
They're still going to roll out WiMax and then just add LTE functionality later on. Again, It's just a baseband card swap and a software upgrade. The phones would probably use a dual-mode WiMax/LTE chip (like the one introduced last year by Beceem). Sprint did a pretty good job of future-proofing their network and WiMax was a better/cheaper choice for "4G"... Verizon was having some major 3G/4G handoff issues in mid-December and there's still no word of that being resolved. That's a major issue for Big Red and could slow or kill LTE adoption (imagine having to either wait about 2 minutes or even having to reboot your phone whenever you go from 4G back to 3G). I'm not even getting into AT&T and Verizon's LTE spectrum limitations.
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m4rk0358 said:
From the user comments of the linked article: They're still going to roll out WiMax and then just add LTE functionality later on. Again, It's just a baseband card swap and a software upgrade. The phones would probably use a dual-mode WiMax/LTE chip (like the one introduced last year by Beceem). Sprint did a pretty good job of future-proofing their network and WiMax was a better/cheaper choice for "4G"... Verizon was having some major 3G/4G handoff issues in mid-December and there's still no word of that being resolved. That's a major issue for Big Red and could slow or kill LTE adoption (imagine having to either wait about 2 minutes or even having to reboot your phone whenever you go from 4G back to 3G). I'm not even getting into AT&T and Verizon's LTE spectrum limitations.
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But they would eventually have to actually flip the switch to LTE.. would they not have to pick one or the other?
As long as I got a huge discount on an LTE phone, I'd be okay with this. I like WiMAX, but for the dev community, LTE is going to be way better.
akarol said:
Oh, they would have to provide us with a LTE phone if they do switch. At least offer us a pretty hefty discount. Otherwise, I see a huge class-action lawsuit headed over their way. I'd love for this switch to happen. WiMax is just not cutting it.
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They're facing this scenario now, if they turn off the iDen network to use LTE. Some speculate that Sprint will lose a lot of money on this, but all they have to do is sell the spectrum that wimax is on now. T-Mobile would buy it...
AbsolutZeroGI said:
As long as I got a huge discount on an LTE phone, I'd be okay with this. I like WiMAX, but for the dev community, LTE is going to be way better.
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I'm also curious about the stuff I've been reading recently regarding how tightly controlled LTE access can be by carrier. Presumably the same restrictions would apply when tethering?
they will have pry my evo from my cold dead hands....
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drbadass said:
But they would eventually have to actually flip the switch to LTE.. would they not have to pick one or the other?
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Not really cause Wimaxx is just another channel or frequency. I mean they still have 2G/3G and now 4G, LTE will just be another channel that they will be able to accomidate
I say the only reason why the would make that switch is to keep up or ahead with the other carriers, t-mobile, att, Verizon so why not make the switch everyone gsm and running on sim chips mmm nice different phones on different networks sounds fun
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drbadass said:
I'm also curious about the stuff I've been reading recently regarding how tightly controlled LTE access can be by carrier. Presumably the same restrictions would apply when tethering?
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This is what scares me. I know LTE is faster than wimax. (Job I work at sells both Wimax capable cards and LTE broadband cards now and I have installed both on computers, and speedtest wise, LTE was pulling 15 down and 1.5 up. Wimax in our area usually does 5-7 down, and 1 up.
But I don't want Sprint to be able to decide that what I do with the data access I am provided isn't what they think I should. The fact they can block sites, charge rates for sites, and so forth is very bothersome. It is the same crap certain ISP carries are looking to do.
It is this reason (among data caps) that I decided not to wait for the LTE thunderstorm phone(or w/e its called, im kinda tired ) and go with verizon over sprint.
I just with their Wimax was better in the Cincinnati, OH area than it currently is. Map shows I should have 4G outside everywhere but my backyard. And I barely get it in my front lawn where I should have a perfect signal.
Does anyone have a link to the story of how carriers can control access to the web using LTE. I read it but don't remember where. This is very disturbing that the carriers will have this much power over our web viewing habits
Don't worry fellow evonauts, they (probably) won't block your fetish adult entertainment.
But seriously, better speeds would be awesome, better coverage would be great but the capability to throttle or block what i want to do with my "unlimited" connection is unacceptable.
Here's some things to remember before anyone gets up in arms over this:
1. Between the Sprint, Clear, Comcast, and Time Warner brands there are millions of users on the Clearwire WiMax network, many of whom are in contracts based on WiMax devices or services. They're not going to just flip a switch in a few months and suddenly none of us have 4G anymore. I would not expect to see much further WiMax development beyond what's known about at the time of any LTE announcement, but by the time the WiMax network goes dead anyone posting here will have moved on to a newer phone.
2. There's no reason at all that this would need to be done as an on/off type switch. They install the hardware bits needed for LTE, then switch channels of their available spectrum over as dictated by utilization. AT&T's migration from TDMA to GSM after the Cingular buyout took years to complete.
3. The Evo Shift just came out and the Blackberry Playbook with WiMax has been announced and given a rough street date. Like most of us existing users, these users will likely for the most part be in contracts, meaning if Sprint does anything that significantly impacts the usability of those devices (such as terminating WiMax service) they'll need to either give us cheap/free upgrades to LTE phones or let us out of contract ETF-free.
tl;dr version: LTE is probably coming, since Sprint's rapidly becoming the odd man out in the 4G cell world, but there's no reason for current WiMax users to panic.
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drbadass said:
I'm also curious about the stuff I've been reading recently regarding how tightly controlled LTE access can be by carrier. Presumably the same restrictions would apply when tethering?
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ghodzilla5150 said:
Does anyone have a link to the story of how carriers can control access to the web using LTE. I read it but don't remember where. This is very disturbing that the carriers will have this much power over our web viewing habits
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Any ISP has about the same power. It has nothing to do with the last mile medium and LTE will change nothing about this.
Regarding tethering, there is no way to tell for certain by looking at the data transmitted whether a user is tethering or not when a modern smartphone is involved, since they're capable of doing anything a full PC could do with that data connection. Certain types of data may be suspicious and more likely to have come from a PC, but nothing could be proven to any reasonable standard as long as they have not loaded a "tattler" program in to the OEM ROM to explicitly identify tethering. Assuming a rooted phone, this could be removed and of course would not even be in AOSP-based ROMs.
Good rational post. Thanks.
wolrah said:
Here's some things to remember before anyone gets up in arms over this:
1. Between the Sprint, Clear, Comcast, and Time Warner brands there are millions of users on the Clearwire WiMax network, many of whom are in contracts based on WiMax devices or services. They're not going to just flip a switch in a few months and suddenly none of us have 4G anymore. I would not expect to see much further WiMax development beyond what's known about at the time of any LTE announcement, but by the time the WiMax network goes dead anyone posting here will have moved on to a newer phone.
2. There's no reason at all that this would need to be done as an on/off type switch. They install the hardware bits needed for LTE, then switch channels of their available spectrum over as dictated by utilization. AT&T's migration from TDMA to GSM after the Cingular buyout took years to complete.
3. The Evo Shift just came out and the Blackberry Playbook with WiMax has been announced and given a rough street date. Like most of us existing users, these users will likely for the most part be in contracts, meaning if Sprint does anything that significantly impacts the usability of those devices (such as terminating WiMax service) they'll need to either give us cheap/free upgrades to LTE phones or let us out of contract ETF-free.
tl;dr version: LTE is probably coming, since Sprint's rapidly becoming the odd man out in the 4G cell world, but there's no reason for current WiMax users to panic.
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Any ISP has about the same power. It has nothing to do with the last mile medium and LTE will change nothing about this.
Regarding tethering, there is no way to tell for certain by looking at the data transmitted whether a user is tethering or not when a modern smartphone is involved, since they're capable of doing anything a full PC could do with that data connection. Certain types of data may be suspicious and more likely to have come from a PC, but nothing could be proven to any reasonable standard as long as they have not loaded a "tattler" program in to the OEM ROM to explicitly identify tethering. Assuming a rooted phone, this could be removed and of course would not even be in AOSP-based ROMs.
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Maybe I'm just misunderstanding something but I'm taking this switch from WiMAX to LTE as Sprint just has to change the cards on their ends and send us current WiMAX users a software update and we can use LTE.
rkjg24 said:
Maybe I'm just misunderstanding something but I'm taking this switch from WiMAX to LTE as Sprint just has to change the cards on their ends and send us current WiMAX users a software update and we can use LTE.
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Half right. The Wimax chip in the Evo is straight Wimax...no LTE capability.
Since the wiMax is actually from Clear as far as i know, Sprints choice shouldnt really matter in the long run. WiMax wont disappear so your "old" phone should work, and Sprint actually having its own 4G network means more than likely better battery life and better connection/coverage