Hello everyone,
Today, I was hoping that someone with knowledge could shed some light on this topic.
As from what I can see, the Desire, the Nexus One, the Desire HD and many other devices have already gotten full HWA with ICS.
So what is really making the HD2 fall behind? Is it because that all these device run Android natively and the HD2 doesn't ? Is it because our device is just too old? What is the main reason?
Thank you for reading, any sort of information is appreciated.
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I took a look at those forums and it appears that they do not have full HWA much the same way we don't. I noticed that the ICS roms report that there is working HWA but there are still video and camera issues resulting from lack of full HWA.
I have yet to see any phone beyond the Nexus S have full HWA yet, add to that fact we do not have a true Android device so there is always the issue of proper drivers.
Marvlesz said:
Hello everyone,
Today, I was hoping that someone with knowledge could shed some light on this topic.
As from what I can see, the Desire, the Nexus One, the Desire HD and many other devices have already gotten full HWA with ICS.
So what is really making the HD2 fall behind? Is it because that all these device run Android natively and the HD2 doesn't ? Is it because our device is just too old? What is the main reason?
Thank you for reading, any sort of information is appreciated.
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Because you didnt download the source code , and make the necessary modifications to get it on the HD2 lol sarcasm
elesbb said:
Because you didnt download the source code , and make the necessary modifications to get it on the HD2 lol sarcasm
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I see what you did there haha
chrisrj28 said:
I took a look at those forums and it appears that they do not have full HWA much the same way we don't. I noticed that the ICS roms report that there is working HWA but there are still video and camera issues resulting from lack of full HWA.
I have yet to see any phone beyond the Nexus S have full HWA yet, add to that fact we do not have a true Android device so there is always the issue of proper drivers.
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Well, most of the ROMs I have seen say "HWA (real)" or "Full" which I assume isn't the same as ours? Sure, camera and video playback issues may be present.
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Because you didnt download the source code , and make the necessary modifications to get it on the HD2 lol sarcasm
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If I could do it myself, I wouldn't be posting this here .
But I'm neither a coder nor a developer, furthermore, I am only asking not, not "do it for me" ..
I am just hoping that it isn't (doesn't become) like the camcorder on sense builds.
Thanks for everyone.
The reason things like hwa take so long to be written for our phone is because it isn't a native android device. With all other devices you mentioned there is a stock android rom that comes shipped out of the box, with hwa and camera drivers written by the phone manufacturer. In that case, devs only need to tweak the code to make it work on their build.
With the HD2, devs need to write it from scratch or borrow code from another device and hack the s##t out of the code to make it compatible with the HD2.
PS. Is there still a problem with camcorder on sense rom's? I've not used sense since the haret days, but it works fine on miui (2. 3.7 of course)
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And also don't forget that now we don't have the good old developers that started the whole project like dcordes,letama,markinus,dan1j3l,darkstone and other talented guys.cotulla is still with us but I think he likes more wp7 and not android
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The reason things like hwa take so long to be written for our phone is because it isn't a native android device. With all other devices you mentioned there is a stock android rom that comes shipped out of the box, with hwa and camera drivers written by the phone manufacturer. In that case, devs only need to tweak the code to make it work on their build.
With the HD2, devs need to write it from scratch or borrow code from another device and hack the s##t out of the code to make it compatible with the HD2.
PS. Is there still a problem with camcorder on sense rom's? I've not used sense since the haret days, but it works fine on miui (2. 3.7 of course)
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In reply to your question about GB Sense, yes HWA has not yet been implemented yet, this is the last hurdle.
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Guys I'm been using MDJ and MCCM Gingerbread build ,both of them had the camera running , but why so hard to get the Camcorder to function is it due to the kernel,driver or something else ... Can somebody here that can share your experience with me i want to tweak the build my self if i know where to started thanks .
Well the current Gingerbread builds are based off of the SDK tools that were released to developers. And normal builds for HD2 are either based off of Desire HD, Desire, or Nexus One (There are others but these are the main ones.). So since an actual Nexus One Gingerbread rom has not been ripped yet and ported, you don't have the camcorder function working.
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Well the current Gingerbread builds are based off of the SDK tools that were released to developers. And normal builds for HD2 are either based off of Desire HD, Desire, or Nexus One (There are others but these are the main ones.). So since an actual Nexus One Gingerbread rom has not been ripped yet and ported, you don't have the camcorder function working.
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Thanks for the feedback so that's mean no way around can make the camcorder working until the actual Gingerbread rom has posted.
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Thanks for the feedback so that's mean no way around can make the camcorder working until the actual Gingerbread rom has posted.
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It's very, very, very, highly unlikely, but Google are pretty good. You shouldn't be waiting too long.
Ok so here goes i'm thinking of working on a NAND ROM based on 2.3.1 (Gingerbread) Build: GRH78 FOR THE HTC HD2...but guess what...... i'm gonna try and throw HTC SENSE into the mix and see if i can get them to play nicely together....since this could take some time i just wanted to know if anyone is interested at all???? Just Post and ask if your interested......this ROM is going to based off ofMDJ's CyanogenMod 7 v. 2.3 with MDJ's Kernel: MDJ S10.3 OC (or whatever new Kernal MDJ releases between now and when i get this rom complete) and the Desire HD Sense including the Sense Camera...(THESE ARE MY GOALS FOR THIS ROM)I Will Be Posting Frequently Since I Will Need Testers to find all the little bugs that i miss....
( I WILL ONLY POST ROMS THAT I THINK ARE SAFE...BUT THERE IS THE CHANCE THAT IT STILL CAN BE BRICKED SO BY FLASHING MY ROM YOU KNOW THAT YOUR VOIDING YOUR WARRANTY AND I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE IF YOU BRICK YOUR DEVICE )
EDIT: Im Gonna Try My Hardest to have a Version posted so everyone can play with it by 01/15/2011 - 01/16/2011....
EDIT: I just sent a message to cortulla....mainly if he has any tips or tricks that might help out with this build....01/14/2011
EDIT: Ok I'm sorry for not posting for so long i haven't forgot about you guys...i'm still working on this rom..its harder than anticipated...plus having the free time to do it gets tricky...work is having mandatory overtime since the iphone is being released on verizon...(SCARED MUCH AT&T????)..SO JUST WANTED TO UPDATE AND SAY I DIDN'T DITCH THIS PROJECT.......02/03/2011
Thanks Everyone and remember we couldn't do any of this if it wasn't for Google, Cyanogen, Cotulla & (DFT), MDJ, Markinus, gauner1986, danij3l, gpc, LeTama, Rajko and others...and if i forgot to mention you im sorry just yell at me and i'll be sure to add you to the list =-)....
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i am interested..
that would be great if gingerbread will have sense
ive loved to run it on my hd2
Count me in as beta tester...
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That is so funny, I have been searching yesterday for something like this .
Count me in.
WTH, why not
We are always looking for something new to put in our phones
Good luck and count me in...
Santroph
Also very interested...
And I'd like to be a beta tester.
Totally interested in this. Gingerbread has come along a great length in the last copuple of days. Latest stock release dated the 14th shows working lights and usb! Would be awsome to have sense built on top!
Please work on it man
Good luck. It's almost impossible; most of sense is dependant on the HTC framework and most libraries, which are in turn interdependent with the android version they run on (2.2). You pretty much have to replace the whole build with 2.2, which, in effect, makes the build a 2.2.
It would be easier to add to 2.2 the keyboard and animations from Gingerbread, along with the launcher. It's close, but it's not really 2.3 either.
Good luck anyway.
for me it's enough to have the desire hd cam on gingerbread. will it ever be possible to provide only the hd cam tool?
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Good luck. It's almost impossible; most of sense is dependant on the HTC framework and most libraries, which are in turn interdependent with the android version they run on (2.2). You pretty much have to replace the whole build with 2.2, which, in effect, makes the build a 2.2.
It would be easier to add to 2.2 the keyboard and animations from Gingerbread, along with the launcher. It's close, but it's not really 2.3 either.
Good luck anyway.
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+1.
It's hardly possible to get sense rosie.apk (the launcher) working on stock android... (afaik nobody has done it to date)
plus I bet its impossible to do it on a different android version.
Yet I would be interested.
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for me it's enough to have the desire hd cam on gingerbread. will it ever be possible to provide only the hd cam tool?
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Why?
Use Camera 360 or a similar app. They do the same (may look worse but who cares?)
(maybe no facial recognition - yet do you really need that?)
it seems to me that Gingerbread mostly enhanced aosp anyways, it tweaked the UI and didn't really have that many enhancements.
If you could just port the Gingerbread keyboard, icon set, Nexus S LWPs, and the screen-off animation to a Sense build then you basically have it.
(may look worse but who cares?)
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yep, and that's exactly what i want: a good looking camera app. technically i'm satisfied with the gingerbread cam, but it looks awful in compare to hd cam app...
I'm dreaming of it !!!
Bring it on!
I'd love to give sense a try on Gingerbread!
2.2 Sense ?
Sense HD would be cool but I imagine more work
I'll look forward to it !
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sure man it will be revolutionary start .... good luck ...
Absolutely impossible. You need a HTC leaked ruu I tell you that. Unless you are a fremework wiz. If you are, 10-90 chance. Good luck. You may make history with it.
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"if" you're able to pull it off, I sure will try it out
This is a request to all the developers developing for HD2, If you want a fully working, fully stable build on HD2 with top performance you would have to stop treating your device as Bravo, everywhere i look from recoveries to kernel i see Bravo, Evo, Passion. For God's sake the phone is different from all other snapdragon phones.The display, the drivers etc are different. Also please stop keeping the source of your edited files to yourself, if you open source them, they can be improved upon and HD2 can be made faster and better device. Also developers thing beyond overclocking. There are other things HD2 needs in the kernel. If you waste your energy in just overclocking then i would say its pretty dumb. Just a kind request to everyone. Your device is htcleo/leo not bravo/passion/supersonic. They are similar but not same. use htcleo as device name in build, init rather than bravo/passion/supersonic. Your device isnt a mix of device anymore, its a different device that stands apart
im not a dev but ... yes , is time when all work must be unified.
+1 on this.
All devs should work together and share their results.
Bump.
This thread needs to be looked at and acknowledged. Charansingh is trying hard to get our device working to its best possible method and not just patch everything constantly. If some kernel developers (Tytung, rafpigna, iamgpc, etc.) set up conversations with charansingh, I'm pretty sure all outstanding issues could be worked on and we could even fix issues we didn't know we had. Come on, devs! Work together to bring our HD2s to truly compete with android devices out there as a native solution!
Definitely worth a bump
Super bump. Seems like a lot of these roms are sort of half-baked ports of other devices. It's extremely difficult to find a stable rom to use as a daily driver. Coming from the Nexus One, the difference in rom development is staggering. If you go to the Nexus forum you can find tons of stable, fully functional roms optimized for the Nexus. I still haven't found a rom that's come close to the usability, speed, and stability of those for the Nexus. I don't mean to knock t he devs on the board, because they do great work, but I think the HD2 has the potential to be amazing.
Just my 2 cents.
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Super bump. Seems like a lot of these roms are sort of half-baked ports of other devices. It's extremely difficult to find a stable rom to use as a daily driver. Coming from the Nexus One, the difference in rom development is staggering. If you go to the Nexus forum you can find tons of stable, fully functional roms optimized for the Nexus. I still haven't found a rom that's come close to the usability, speed, and stability of those for the Nexus. I don't mean to knock t he devs on the board, because they do great work, but I think the HD2 has the potential to be amazing.
Just my 2 cents.
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The Nexus is a native Android device. Of course the ROM development will be different. It's a miracle we have Android on the HD2 at all. It was always going to be a painful development process. That said, wise words from charnsingh.
Keep rocking, Devs.
I'm not a dev, and this topic is not addressed to me but I think you should correct the name of the thread to "A request to All developers' except Pongster. Perhaps not only Pongster but I'm sure that He uses the real name our phone in bulid.prop for example and His bulid's it's not just a port from Bravo, Evo etc, etc. Correct me if i'm wrong.
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I'm not a dev, and this topic is not addressed to me but I think you should correct the name of the thread to "A request to All developers' except Pongster. Perhaps not only Pongster but I'm sure that He uses the real name our phone in bulid.prop for example and His bulid's it's not just a port from Bravo, Evo etc, etc. Correct me if i'm wrong.
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if you read craefully pongster thread,his build still use desire base..from source of desire
ardianz said:
if you read craefully pongster thread,his build still use desire base..from source of desire
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Hhhmmm I don't want to be a Pongster lawyer And I hope that HE will not feel offended but let me quote some parts of tread Hyperdroid CM7
Drawing inspiration from the Desire AOSP based Custom ROMs
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Again, THIS is NOT a PORT... its Completely Built FROM SOURCE, Fully Optimized and Tweaked for the HD2!
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ardianz said:
if you read craefully pongster thread,his build still use desire base..from source of desire
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The source is built from the following: Base is Pure AOSP, Framework Tweaks and Settings is Redux, Cool Features & Functions from CyanogenMod.
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from the gbx thread.
ardianz said:
if you read craefully pongster thread,his build still use desire base..from source of desire
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Have you bothered checking the source I use? and the device specific stuff by charan for the HD2 in there? I don't use the desire base. The source of the ROM is something any device can use, given the right kernel and proprietary libs the device may need. Just like CM7 is not just for the HD2, but for a myriad of different devices, the source can be used by anyone with the right device specific stuff.
In my ROM, I use the device specific stuff that charan has done for CM7 HD2 (with a few edits for GBX overlays and HD2 specific Settings).
Like charan has mentioned, most of what we currently have here (ROMs) are ports/kangs from other devices. In fact my old SD build was one of them.
His hard work paved the way for a device specific ROM, that being the CM7 RC's he builds (and you can build, which I also do for testing, from source) and the GBX I build now. If you take the source and add the device specific stuff (drivers, ramdisk, kernel, libs) you can build a ROM for other devices using the the device specific stuff available in the CM7 git. (Desire HD, Nexus One, etc. can be built using the source on Git)
As I understand it, from my limited knowledge on this, the device specific stuff is where the difference lies, from the 2D and 3D drivers, to the overlays for every device, down to the kernel for each device.
I don't know much about the kernel development at this point and how we came about using what we do now, but there is definitely room for improvement and we're lucky to have charan, tytung and the rest of the HD2 devs to help us out in this regard.
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I don't know much about the kernel development at this point and how we came about using what we do now, but there is definitely room for improvement and we're lucky to have charan, tytung and the rest of the HD2 devs to help us out in this regard.
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Well said pongster
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Hes right,we have to treat our HD2 like a native android device otherwise were not gonna advance that far if we treat it like anougher device.Our HD2s are amazing so lets advance and be happy
I'm in no way a dev, but its great to see common sense prevailing. I wish I had more time to get my head into these ROM's/kernal's etc but I don't. And I for one am eternally grateful for all the hard work done on this site to keep the likes of me interested in the HD2. It's a crackin phone, lets keep it that way!
i agree with you in lots of things but some roms just have to be ported.
htc won´t release a sense build for the hd2 or just a rom to get ported.
guys that want sense just need a ported rom.
and sorry buti dont´t think this is right in the development section.
maybe you should contact them on irc
I agree it would be nice if everything was done just for the LEO, but Im not going to say anything bad about Typoon his ports rock, are uber stable, and anything but half baked.
The reason why the bravo/passion base is used is:
a) Some apps only show up on the android market for known official Android devices. The LEO is not an official Android device.
b) There's no official/main AOSP/CM7 repository with LEO specific changes in them.
EDIT: https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_device_htc_leo I guess this can be the closest thing to official.
c) In terms of compatibility, the bravo is the hardware closest to our own hardware. Yes there ARE differences which is expected. We do not have a ROM designed for our own hardware that we can refer to.
d) Sense ROM's aren't open source.
I completely agree on the overclocking front. We need improvements in kernel, not just kicking up the CPU clock-speed.
Yes, sources should be shared, however, chefs tend to keep changes to themselves. This is an issue.
In my opinion, an 'official' AOSP/CM7 ROM/repository would be ideal.
That said, I can't think of any bugs/issues now with bravo/passion based ROM's Most issues stem from using ROM's from other devices/chipsets. I'm personally happy with GingerBread based on Passion sources!
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The reason why the bravo/passion base is used is:
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a) Some apps only show up on the android market for known official Android devices. The LEO is not an official Android device.
Fixed- We only need to change the fingerprint of the build, same is done for bravo etc using passion fingerprint for gingerbread
b) There's no official/main AOSP/CM7 repository with LEO specific changes in them.
EDIT: https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_device_htc_leo I guess this can be the closest thing to official.
Fixed - It works
c) In terms of compatibility, the bravo is the hardware closest to our own hardware. Yes there ARE differences which is expected. We do not have a ROM designed for our own hardware that we can refer to.
Fixed - The CM7 nightlies and RC i am compiling.
d) Sense ROM's aren't open source.
Fixed - For sense Roms it isnt an option
I completely agree on the overclocking front. We need improvements in kernel, not just kicking up the CPU clock-speed.
Yes, sources should be shared, however, chefs tend to keep changes to themselves. This is an issue.
In my opinion, an 'official' AOSP/CM7 ROM/repository would be ideal. It is there lol
That said, I can't think of any bugs/issues now with bravo/passion based ROM's Most issues stem from using ROM's from other devices/chipsets. I'm personally happy with GingerBread based on Passion sources!
i am not a dev but there are some roms in this forum that we must give credit to as not being half baked like motomans mytouch rom everything work on it and it is very snappy and responsive also typhoons rom is really good too i can see from there rom that there are those who really treat hd2 like a really android phone
I am using HTC HD2 with android nand roms. After Froyo wich was really good on HD2 i installed some gingerbread ROMs.
I love HTC sense so i always use Roms with sense UI.
Like all other using gingerbread i have the typical graphic glitches. There is a fix of this, but using this will bring the camera to stop working.
My Question to the developers:
Is there a real chance, that this bugs will be fixed and camera and graphics will do fine?
Can we support the developers fixing this issues?
Will there be a fix from HTC/when?
I am very happy with android and appreciate the lots of work of the developers. Thank you, its great.
I am thinking about giving my HD2 away and buy a Samsung Galaxy S2.
If there will be fixes of this bug in short time i will keep my HD2 on.
If there is no possibility of fixing this, i will change to Galaxy S2.
Thanks for your hints.
Definitly not the proper section, it should be in Q/A...
BUT :
I'd love to see a dev/chef offering a fully working Froyo Sense. No 2.1 or 3.0. Sense is only experimental now, there is no more stable and up to date version of Froyo Sense which is a shame.
RafDroid is out of date and Incredible S (imilka) buggy with many apps FC...
should post this in Q&A
as for imilkas incredible s build, never had any issues with it and wqas running it for at least a month and half before changing never had any force closes
Try the game Cordy...
fix for graphic glitches?
I installed HTC HD2 Android Gingerbread on Nand. The typicel GB-graphic glitches suck very much.As far as I understand, is it possible for the devs to fix this bugs as soon as HTC releases the Kernel Source Code of GB.
When will HTC release this source?
I am sad about this bugs and thinking of sell my HD2 and buy a Galaxy S2.
Anybody who can give some details?
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I installed HTC HD2 Android Gingerbread on Nand. The typicel GB-graphic glitches suck very much.As far as I understand, is it possible for the devs to fix this bugs as soon as HTC releases the Kernel Source Code of GB.
When will HTC release this source?
I am sad about this bugs and thinking of sell my HD2 and buy a Galaxy S2.
Anybody who can give some details?
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Everything is possible and almost all things made possible on HD2. I don't think fix for this issue will be impossible. Just its about time. Don't worry, Android isn't a windows mobile or windows phone for someone to protect.
Keep hopes!
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thommygay24 said:
I am using HTC HD2 with android nand roms. After Froyo wich was really good on HD2 i installed some gingerbread ROMs.
I love HTC sense so i always use Roms with sense UI.
Like all other using gingerbread i have the typical graphic glitches. There is a fix of this, but using this will bring the camera to stop working.
My Question to the developers:
Is there a real chance, that this bugs will be fixed and camera and graphics will do fine?
Can we support the developers fixing this issues?
Will there be a fix from HTC/when?
I am very happy with android and appreciate the lots of work of the developers. Thank you, its great.
I am thinking about giving my HD2 away and buy a Samsung Galaxy S2.
If there will be fixes of this bug in short time i will keep my HD2 on.
If there is no possibility of fixing this, i will change to Galaxy S2.
Thanks for your hints.
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Dude, have patience. just wait of this problem to be fixed as well. however, if u planned to by galaxy s2 there will not as much support with it as compared to hd2 cuz there are so much developers working on hd2 roms, and i hope that the time is near for a stable sense 3.0 rom for hd2.
CRACING said:
Everything is possible and almost all things made possible on HD2. I don't think fix for this issue will be impossible. Just its about time. Don't worry, Android isn't a windows mobile or windows phone for someone to protect.
Keep hopes!
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Source Code For Gb kernel are releset Now plz plz fix the gitches
che3ton said:
Source Code For Gb kernel are releset Now plz plz fix the gitches
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where did you get this information from? there is no source code for desire on the official page http://developer.htc.com/
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Source Code For Gb kernel are releset Now plz plz fix the gitches
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they will probably fix the glitches once the DESIRE GB kernal source is released
which it seems they have forgotten to do,or they just dont plan on releaseing it
I'm a noob, but... this seems to be desire HC gingerbread source code...
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"HTC Desire HD – GB MR – 2.6.35 kernel source code"
here is the link:
http://dl4.htc.com/RomCode/Source_and_Binaries/ace-2.6.35-gb-MR.tar.gz
nushuth said:
I'm a noob, but... this seems to be desire HC gingerbread source code...
(copy&paste from htc developer download page)
"HTC Desire HD – GB MR – 2.6.35 kernel source code"
here is the link:
http://dl4.htc.com/RomCode/Source_and_Binaries/ace-2.6.35-gb-MR.tar.gz
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Reread your post. HTC Desire HD...
We need the original desire.
Nigeldg said:
Reread your post. HTC Desire HD...
We need the original desire.
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let me understand...
out HD2 seems to be very similar to desire HD in hardware (the only difference seems to be original OS and Camera, 5 vs 8 MPx) same CPU and same graphic processore.
desire HD already have a gingerbread + Sense official rom. It's only sense 2.1, but we have same glitches problem on any gingerbread + sense rom. the problem seems to be the same...
why we need a desire (not HD) kernel source code? there is no way to use desire HD source?
nushuth said:
let me understand...
out HD2 seems to be very similar to desire HD in hardware (the only difference seems to be original OS and Camera, 5 vs 8 MPx) same CPU and same graphic processore.
desire HD already have a gingerbread + Sense official rom. It's only sense 2.1, but we have same glitches problem on any gingerbread + sense rom. the problem seems to be the same...
why we need a desire (not HD) kernel source code? there is no way to use desire HD source?
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I thought this at first as well but I can't explain this to you, only a dev or someone more experienced can. But in short, the hardware is not close enough, the DHD has a 2nd generation CPU vs the HD2's 1st gen or something like that, whereas the original desire has the same hardware as the HD2.
TBH, I have no clue in other words.
http://htcdev.com/
What does this mean for us HD2 users?
It means we might have to wait a bit longer for the actual source to come available.. But there might be some interesting things in this ROM. We will know shortly
Sorry to keep asking questions, but what source is needed? I see the source for the GB kernels for various phones - what exactly is missing?
Just trying to understand better.
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Sorry to keep asking questions, but what source is needed? I see the source for the GB kernels for various phones - what exactly is missing?
Just trying to understand better.
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Asking questions is never wrong .. The source files contain drivers for the different phones, which is why they are all released seperately. Every device has different hardware, and the Desire has the closest resemblence to the hardware found in our HD2. This is also why many think the Desire source will really help in the development of Gingerbread ROM versions on the HD2 (like it did before on the previous Android releases, for example the camera).
What has been released on HTCdev.com (if I understand correctly), is the ROM upgrade itself, and not the actual kernel source. It may seem weird, because it is the only 'official' ROM upgrade that has been put up on HTCdev.com yet. They are not releasing it OTA (over the air) to all Desires, so they had to put it somewhere easy to be found by devs. This is why it has been put up on that page, which might have been confusing (because many would think it actually is the kernel source). As far as I can see, the package only contains the upgrade itself and 2 APK's. Usually it takes a while longer for this to become available, but per Linux license they are obliged to release it. Eventually.
I think there will be some interesting APK's in this ROM nevertheless.. We'll just have to wait until someone (one of the dev's) has explored the ROM thoroughly.
but it can't be to long from now till the sources are released.
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Asking questions is never wrong .. The source files contain drivers for the different phones, which is why they are all released seperately. Every device has different hardware, and the Desire has the closest resemblence to the hardware found in our HD2. This is also why many think the Desire source will really help in the development of Gingerbread ROM versions on the HD2 (like it did before on the previous Android releases, for example the camera).
What has been released on HTCdev.com (if I understand correctly), is the ROM upgrade itself, and not the actual kernel source. It may seem weird, because it is the only 'official' ROM upgrade that has been put up on HTCdev.com yet. They are not releasing it OTA (over the air) to all Desires, so they had to put it somewhere easy to be found by devs. This is why it has been put up on that page, which might have been confusing (because many would think it actually is the kernel sournce). As far as I can see, the package only contains the upgrade itself and 2 APK's. Usually it takes a while longer for this to become available, but per Linux license they are obliged to release it. Eventually.
I think there will be some interesting APK's in this ROM nevertheless.. We'll just have to wait until someone (one of the dev's) has explored the ROM thoroughly.
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Excellente. Couldn't have said it better. The update's been out for almost a week. And from videos that I've seen, HTC did not upgrade the Sense version to 2.1 or 2.0 for the matter.
But of course all we need is the kernel source.
I'd also like to ask any of the devs:
Will a new kernel need to be compiled when the Desire gingerbread source is released? Hint hint: Rafpigna 2.1?
Also, I'm not familiar with the OC deal, but is it possible to overclock over 1.5 ghz on our HD2? I've seen 1.9 ghz on Desire Z/G2, and almost 1.8 ghz on the DHD.
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Every device has different hardware, and the Desire has the closest resemblence to the hardware found in our HD2. This is also why many think the Desire source will really help in the development of Gingerbread ROM versions on the HD2 (like it did before on the previous Android releases, for example the camera).
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Does this mean that the the HD2 is on it's "last breath" with Android? Since the Desire isn't getting updated past Gingerbread...
What about Nexus One then? It is pretty much a redesigned Desire.
Or is this necessary for Sense ROMs only, and AOSP ROMs will still work?
Wouldn't it be possible to port something like Leedroid HD then? Since it's on the Desire and it works perfectly..
SilverHedgehog said:
Does this mean that the the HD2 is on it's "last breath" with Android? Since the Desire isn't getting updated past Gingerbread...
What about Nexus One then? It is pretty much a redesigned Desire.
Or is this necessary for Sense ROMs only, and AOSP ROMs will still work?
Wouldn't it be possible to port something like Leedroid HD then? Since it's on the Desire and it works perfectly..
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With Sense builds it is the end of the road I guess.. At least for any Android releases after Gingerbread. With the other builds I am not sure.. We have quite some driver source available, and with that we can probably simply compile them on the newer AOSP and non-sense ROMS. Sense is really a problem when it comes to source, because it is proprietary software written by HTC (no full source for Sense to simply cross-compile their libs). This is also why it is so hard to make decent Sense-builds whenever a new major Android release comes out. I could be wrong here though.
Let's wait for a dev to come over and shed some light ..
Grr... It's a bad day to own both the Desire and the HD2.
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Grr... It's a bad day to own both the Desire and the HD2.
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True.. But I for one never could have dreamed my HD2 to be top-notch more than a year later.. It certainly was one of my best buys ever. Imagine life when we'd still be stuck on that creepy WM6.5
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True.. But I for one never could have dreamed my HD2 to be top-notch more than a year later.. It certainly was one of my best buys ever. Imagine life when we'd still be stuck on that creepy WM6.5
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Haha, that's true, I guess... I never even got to touch WM6.5 on my HD2, I bought it from Ebay with WP7. Tried it and didn't like it that much. So now I'm wondering which phone should be my primary, HD2 or Desire..
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With Sense builds it is the end of the road I guess.. At least for any Android releases after Gingerbread. With the other builds I am not sure.. We have quite some driver source available, and with that we can probably simply compile them on the newer AOSP and non-sense ROMS. Sense is really a problem when it comes to source, because it is proprietary software written by HTC (no full source for Sense to simply cross-compile their libs). This is also why it is so hard to make decent Sense-builds whenever a new major Android release comes out. I could be wrong here though.
Let's wait for a dev to come over and shed some light ..
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I'm confused - why would the HD2 be on it's last legs?
People are still developing ROMs for my G1 - hell, there's even a honeycomb rom for my G1. Until people quit developing for the HD2, I guarantee it will be on par with other devices.
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I'm confused - why would the HD2 be on it's last legs?
People are still developing ROMs for my G1 - hell, there's even a honeycomb rom for my G1. Until people quit developing for the HD2, I guarantee it will be on par with other devices.
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It's just the Sense development that will be near to impossible to be perfect.. The rest will be continued as long as there are developers interested in our HD2.
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I'm confused - why would the HD2 be on it's last legs?
People are still developing ROMs for my G1 - hell, there's even a honeycomb rom for my G1. Until people quit developing for the HD2, I guarantee it will be on par with other devices.
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The hd2 development won't die, merely the Sense ROM development unless HTC make an ice cream sandwich update for the Desire (which is unlikely but possible as Google have stated ics has been designed to work on all Android devices to date). AOSP ROMs will probably continue as long as the device stays popular.
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I just went on this sure cause I got an email from htc saying the site launched. Now I know we need the kernel source, but I just noticed this in the kernel source page:
Android 2.3 (Gingerbread) Upgrade for HTC Desire
Or is that not enough?
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