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Honeycomb?

http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/01/android-30-platform-preview-and-updated.html

v0kal said:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/01/android-30-platform-preview-and-updated.html
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As of now this is all I would be interested in from 3.0 . Hope cyanogen can pull this into CM7
New types of connectivity: New APIs for Bluetooth A2DP and HSP let applications offer audio streaming and headset control. Support for Bluetooth insecure socket connection lets applications connect to simple devices that may not have a user interface.

Yep seems to be a preview SDK for 3.0 with a final SDK in coming weeks. Simply prep for Honeycomb tablets.

"A built-in GL renderer lets developers request hardware-acceleration of common 2D rendering operations in their apps, across the entire app or only in specific activities or views."
So it seems that 2.3 isn't hardware accelerated...now I want 3.0 on my desire . But here's another quote:
"Android 3.0 (Honeycomb) is a new version of the Android platform that is designed from the ground up for devices with larger screen sizes, particularly tablets."
So Honycomb isn't for phones? I really hope Google can clear things up a bit because I remember Andy rubben saying the Honycomb can adapt to phones & tablets.
Any thoughts or theories?

Weren't there enough thoughts and theories about it?

Jack_R1 said:
Weren't there enough thoughts and theories about it?
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Yes there was a lot of theories, but now we have something official to discuss rather than hearsay. Anyway, don't discuss if you don't feel like it.

How about the 2.4? really don't know what Goolge is thinking about. Just want a stable version and improve it by other works. Not so much version and make people confuse. It seems that N1 may not flash it~~

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Yes there was a lot of theories, but now we have something official to discuss rather than hearsay. Anyway, don't discuss if you don't feel like it.
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Looking at the new preview SDK, it only big screens by default. And reading through the platform highlights really only mentions tablets. However, a couple Android devs have already stated its for all platforms. Seems to me that they don't want to reveal that its for phones yet, so that they can advertise that it is made for tablets.
The main criticism the iPad got was being a giant iPhone. I think they want to avoid that by having people believe that it isn't the same Android that is on phones.
I guess when they release the full SDK we'll know for sure.

Interesting...the beat goes on!

Honeycomb is also for phones, but we all knew that right?
From the documentation:
Publishing your app for tablet-type devices only
Additionally, you should decide whether your application is for only tablet devices (specifically, xlarge devices) or for devices of all sizes that may run Android 3.0.
If your application is only for tablets (xlarge screens; not for mobile devices/phones), then you should include the <supports-screens> element in your manifest with all sizes except for xlarge declared false.
With this declaration, you indicate that your application does not support any screen size except extra large. External services such as Android Market may use this to filter your application from devices that do not have an extra large screen.
Otherwise, if you want your application to be available to both small devices (phones) and large devices (tablets), do not include the <supports-screens> element.
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Well, all clear then! The future of Android looks neat!

Nice find
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spamlucal said:
Honeycomb is also for phones, but we all knew that right?
From the documentation:
Well, all clear then! The future of Android looks neat!
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Hmmmm...good find! Android is getting really interesting visually, which is IMO a milestone it needed to reach a while ago
Anyway, can't wait for an alpha sdk image on my phone to play with if that's possible currently

Forget Ginga and Honeycomb. Havent you all hear of whats ahead of honeycomb? Its called " Chicken Soup". Yup, ik... Weird name. But its only for dual core over 2ghz. So phones arent ready. Its suppose to be completely holographic 3d without glasses. Pretty neat. And requires horsepower of xbox 360 or more. Anything less and its a no go. Its suppose to be the next gen OS and quantum leap from even honeycomb. Remember the name "chicken soup". Its comming next year by christman. Cant wait!
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SINNN said:
Forget Ginga and Honeycomb. Havent you all hear of whats ahead of honeycomb? Its called " Chicken Soup". Yup, ik... Weird name. But its only for dual core over 2ghz. So phones arent ready. Its suppose to be completely holographic 3d without glasses. Pretty neat. And requires horsepower of xbox 360 or more. Anything less and its a no go. Its suppose to be the next gen OS and quantum leap from even honeycomb. Remember the name "chicken soup". Its comming next year by christman. Cant wait!
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This was a horrible and incredibly illogical troll/joke attempt

spamlucal said:
Honeycomb is also for phones, but we all knew that right?
From the documentation:
Well, all clear then! The future of Android looks neat!
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It actually does not mean much.
Android application could always define different layouts for different resolutions, orientations, themes or screen sizes. So, it is just one additional form factor, one of many. And the way to say to the market which layouts are supported and which are not.
It also does not mean, that "honeycomb for phones" would be the same as honeycomb for tablets "just smaller".
They only said, that phone version will move in similar direction. Which can mean pretty much anything.
In fact I expect, that honeycomb for phones will be seriously different, since a lot of new honeycomb for tablets features on smaller screens do not make any sense.

My theory:
Honeycomb is currently, Tablets only.
We are going to see a division in Android for Phones and Android for Tablets.
Tablets will be at 3.0 starting off.
Phones are currently at 2.3, and will continue 2.4 being Gingerbread as well with updates that should have happened with 2.3. (Like 2.0 and 2.1 being Eclair)
Once phones have the ability to run such a resource hungry operating system(3.0) the Phone and Tablet versions of Android will merge into one.

Wisefire said:
My theory:
Honeycomb is currently, Tablets only.
We are going to see a division in Android for Phones and Android for Tablets.
Tablets will be at 3.0 starting off.
Phones are currently at 2.3, and will continue 2.4 being Gingerbread as well with updates that should have happened with 2.3. (Like 2.0 and 2.1 being Eclair)
Once phones have the ability to run such a resource hungry operating system(3.0) the Phone and Tablet versions of Android will merge into one.
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But the hardware of the new tablets is the same Tegra 2 of the new phones, so I think the problem is the adaptability of the OS to smaller screens in a way it is usable for our fingers.
Anyone here used the leaked "honeycomb music player"? It has all the new characteristics we saw on the xoom tablet but worked very nice on my Nexus One with 2.2.1.
I think when honeycomb's source code come out we will get working builds.
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I heard Ice cream is going to be only for refrigerators. You know cause of the thermostat API that very few phones support.

marlonbr said:
But the hardware of the new tablets is the same Tegra 2 of the new phones, so I think the problem is the adaptability of the OS to smaller screens in a way it is usable for our fingers.
Anyone here used the leaked "honeycomb music player"? It has all the new characteristics we saw on the xoom tablet but worked very nice on my Nexus One with 2.2.1.
I think when honeycomb's source code come out we will get working builds.
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I believe you are absolutely right. I tried making an AVD for Honeycomb with the screen resolution of my Nexus One. The launcher force closed continuously but you could see that the standard pull down notification bar was there. So I take that to mean that Honeycomb is for all devices and just changes its layout based on screen size.

draugaz said:
It actually does not mean much.
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A little bit of context: The text I copy-pasted is in a section called "Upgrade or Develop a New App for Tablets and Similar Devices"
In it, is says:
If you want to develop something truly for tablet-type devices running Android 3.0, then you need to use new APIs available in Android 3.0. This section introduces some of the new features that you should use.
The first thing to do when you create a project with the Android 3.0 preview is set the <uses-sdk> element to use "Honeycomb" for the android:minSdkVersion.
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What does this mean? it means this app won't work on anything other lower than honeycomb. So, the "choose your screen size" text I pasted yesterday applies to honeycomb-only apps.
The documentation in the SDK is a nice read actually

windows 8 requiring secure boot on arm devices pc aint much better

so i was checking out the windows 8 requirements that have released and came across the whole arm 8 dvices being required to hve a secure boot that cannot be unlocked to block non windows oses and the pc aint much more open looks like its gonna be up to communities to do what we want on devices anymore.....damn microsoft taking lessons from apple or what this really jkind of bumms me out, it seems like at every turn big business is trying to stifle developement. it seems for every advancement that could stimulate innovative developement theres several things implemented to directly oppose those advances can we say one step forward two steps back.
ive been hearing all the hype of arm windows tablets just to hear this....is somebody afraid of what android or linux might do on a tablet running pc specs.....

X86 devices will be ok. Running sth other than Windows on any ARM device will become probmatic.
I'm more concerned what this means if we get a proper mingling of chips (at long fraking last) in the domain of netbooks and low cost desktop/nettop systems, then I am for W8 phones and tabs.
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Granted this will be a step backward but in the same respect, as usual, microsoft is late to the party. Everything I have read and heard through the grapevines are pointing to a Q1 2013 release of Win8 ARM tablets. By that time the A15 based beasties will be out running Android 4.x or possibly even Android 5.x. In essence all MS has accomplished is shooting themselves in the foot.

well i've got a alternate view of this. Sure ms is late i the app/phone/tablet market. But you still have to remember that they still have the largest piece of the market in the computer department. And if they could deliver a system similar to windows..well that will give them a big chunk of the market today. Due to a large userbase which know how to handle windows applications.
Even analystics has given out reports about this. That ios and android have reached their top. But what do i know ^^i'm just hoping for the best, and userfriendly applications.

Except the majority of closed source programs people use, will not get ported to Win8/ARM. Many of the cross platform open source ones already compile on Linux and/or *BSD's ARM targets.
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Darkseider said:
Granted this will be a step backward but in the same respect, as usual, microsoft is late to the party. Everything I have read and heard through the grapevines are pointing to a Q1 2013 release of Win8 ARM tablets. By that time the A15 based beasties will be out running Android 4.x or possibly even Android 5.x. In essence all MS has accomplished is shooting themselves in the foot.
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I seem to remember hearing the same thing about game consoles. People said Nintendo and Sony had a lock on the market and Microsoft was wasting time trying to break in with the XBox.

Windows 8 on our Xooms?

From what I understand, it is built off of ARM processors and our tablets run off of them as well. The public beta was just released but need work for tablet based devices. Pretty much later this year. Would you guus love it or hate it?
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE81S0CD20120229?irpc=932
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I'd absolutely love it. The enterprise integration would simply remove the limitations android has in the corporate environment i use daily. I'd love to jump on this bandwagon!
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I'd love it, gimme an excuse to get a xoom.
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They still haven't released an arm version yet (unless you are looking somewhere I haven't seen.) x86 and 64 bit are all that seem to be available here:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/iso

rvbarton said:
I'd absolutely love it. The enterprise integration would simply remove the limitations android has in the corporate environment i use daily. I'd love to jump on this bandwagon!
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ARM builds of Windows 8 will , at least initially, be limited in enterprise: http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/29/2833193/windows-8-arm-enterprise-management
What do you find lacking in Android ICS for enterprise? A good run-down of everything it's added in support of enterprise can be found here.

wes_s said:
They still haven't released an arm version yet (unless you are looking somewhere I haven't seen.) x86 and 64 bit are all that seem to be available here:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/iso
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That's why I stated later this year. Dual booting ICS and Windows will give me the ultimate tablet.
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That's why I stated later this year. Dual booting ICS and Windows will give me the ultimate tablet.
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I also want this. But, unfortunately, it probably won't be possible on ARM hardware without some serious hacks: Windows 8 secure boot
The more likely scenario is getting an x86 build of Android dual-booting with a Windows 8 tablet/laptop.

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Every one please read this if you have android in phones or tablets

Flash is waving a tearful farewell to Android, with Adobe confirming that it won't be supporting Flash Player on Android 4.1 Jelly Bean, and furthermore will be blocking people from installing Flash Player from mid-August.
On its blog, the company behind Photoshop confirms that Jelly Bean kit won't get Flash support, matter-of-factly writing, "We have not continued developing and testing Flash player for this new version of Android and its available browser options."
From 15 August, Adobe is going to limit access to Flash Player updates to devices that already have the Player installed. That means that if you don't have the app installed by then, you won't be able to get it.
Moreover, Adobe warns that when devices get updated from Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich to 4.1 Jelly Bean, the player "may exhibit unpredictable behaviour, as it is not certified for use with Android 4.1". Adobe recommends uninstalling Flash before upgrading your phone or tablet to Jelly Bean.
If you own a Samsung Galaxy Nexus, Motorola Xoom or Google Nexus S you should take note, as these are gadgets that Google has confirmed to receive Android 4.1 Jelly Bean in mid-July.
Flash comes pre-installed on many current smart phones, but it looks like this won't continue, as Flash -- once one of Android's biggest selling points -- continues its quiet exit from Google's operating system.
Apple denied Flash access to its own iOS platform from day one, something that forced many websites to switch to HTML5 to ensure anyone browsing on an iPhone or iPad could still watch video. It looks like this is one battle Apple has won.

Flash was nice to have when introduced to Froyo back in 2010. In the last 2 years, the internet has evolved away from Flash. HTML 5 is more and more prevalent, and rightly so. Flash, while acceptable on a newer smart phone, still is far laggier than other video solutions. And the fact remains that Flash has a LOT of security flaws. They patch 1 and 2 more are discovered.
By the time Jelly Bean hits our devices, Flash just won't be needed. It's time to look forward.

How can I tell if pornhub runs flash or html5?
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Chrome Beta does not support Flash. Use that and see if videos work.

bfranklin1986 said:
How can I tell if pornhub runs flash or html5?
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Can't tell if serious or fapping.
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natoe33 said:
Can't tell if serious or fapping.
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i lol'd

Doesn't the iPad not have flash and don't they play videos fine?

No, unless the website in question uses HTML 5. That's why iPeople have to download hundreds of stupid little apps for websites. Instead of the full web experience, it has to be translated into a non-flash app... for EACH site.

O.P. could at least credit
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/fl...jelly-bean-will-be-pulled-from-play-50008441/
from where his entire post comes.

pwn3d

[QUESTION] Dual-Boot Android on a Windows RT tablet

This will probably be considered a noob question, and I apologize if this is question is in the wrong place, but is it within reason to dual-boot android on a windows RT tablet? The answer may determine my purchase of a windows tablet when they arrive, because I like both android and windows on tablets.
-Dave

Not possible. Windows RT uses Secure Boot, BitLocker and other security mechanisms so it will be extremely hard to break.

A little question to the OP, why?

TravisAntonio said:
A little question to the OP, why?
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Games and previously purchased apps would be my best guess. If there ends up being good android emulation (bluestacks) then I would think that there is no reason at all.
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TravisAntonio said:
A little question to the OP, why?
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Because Android was built from the ground up on mobile devices. Windows went the other way. Obviously Android does a lot of things better when mobile.

AdamOutler said:
Because Android was built from the ground up on mobile devices. Windows went the other way. Obviously Android does a lot of things better when mobile.
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jiffy1080 said:
Games and previously purchased apps would be my best guess. If there ends up being good android emulation (bluestacks) then I would think that there is no reason at all.
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The OP seems dead but thanks for your answers , maybe we will be able to boot-up Key Lime Pie when the times come.

Hmm ... Mine isnt a WinRT tablet as such but i own a ExoPC tablet and it runs both Windows and Android ...
I have tested Windows 8 Enterprise N & ICS 4.0.4 ....
U can find more info here ....
www.exocommunity.com
Regards

Currently you can run Android in a VM successfully on prior Windows editions, I have yet to run it virtually on Windows 8 BUT if you're actually buying an RT Tablet that runs on ARM, I don't suggest you purchase it hoping to run Android.
Good news? Intel is going Mobile and so is the ARM Processor and why is that good? Anyone can make it and not just anyone but Samsung is noted to be making a model FOR Android phones. Why does this matter? It means Google must be up to making Android for ARM and if that is true, I can almost bet that someone will be able to put it on a Windows RT Tablet eventually and that is the keyword, eventually.
So if you have to dual boot right this second? Buy a normal Windows 8 Tablet/Slate, not RT Tablet as they're not as powerful and "Desktop" will NOT be available but if you're not looking for power, stay with an Android Tablet or wait to see what Microsoft will be doing with the Slate.

Or Dual-Boot Android & WindowsRT on Android TABLET? :thumbup:
Time will make it happen.

Maybe run bluestacks in windows 8?

FC1032 said:
Maybe run bluestacks in windows 8?
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Like he said Lol. no need for Android, you have the best or Smoothest UI with BLUESTACK player that can run ALL ANDROID APPS so need for the OS itself. Enjoy!!!!!!!!

akbisw said:
Like he said Lol. no need for Android, you have the best or Smoothest UI with BLUESTACK player that can run ALL ANDROID APPS so need for the OS itself. Enjoy!!!!!!!!
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Read up the title dude, its - Windows RT(ARM)
Yeah, W8 will surely run Android apps via Bluestacks.(X86)
But its two OS on Single TABLET.
Remember ASUS's...tab
JB • XD/\PP

VR.gtmini said:
Read up the title dude, its - Windows RT(ARM)
Yeah, W8 will surely run Android apps via Bluestacks.(X86)
But its two OS on Single TABLET.
Remember ASUS's...tab
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Oh, I just thought the possibility if it was rather low (even if it was done, probably not going to be too good), so offered an easier alternative.
I mean there are even android x86 projects, just that they don't work that well and compatibility isn't the best over different hardware.
Only time will tell
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lseidman said:
Currently you can run Android in a VM successfully on prior Windows editions, I have yet to run it virtually on Windows 8 BUT if you're actually buying an RT Tablet that runs on ARM, I don't suggest you purchase it hoping to run Android.
Good news? Intel is going Mobile and so is the ARM Processor and why is that good? Anyone can make it and not just anyone but Samsung is noted to be making a model FOR Android phones. Why does this matter? It means Google must be up to making Android for ARM and if that is true, I can almost bet that someone will be able to put it on a Windows RT Tablet eventually and that is the keyword, eventually.
So if you have to dual boot right this second? Buy a normal Windows 8 Tablet/Slate, not RT Tablet as they're not as powerful and "Desktop" will NOT be available but if you're not looking for power, stay with an Android Tablet or wait to see what Microsoft will be doing with the Slate.
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Android has ALWAYS run on ARM chips. Not sure what you're talking about here...

dstruct2k said:
Android has ALWAYS run on ARM chips. Not sure what you're talking about here...
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correction. Android runs on MIPS, ARM and x86.
ARM is the most popular platform though.

kutysam said:
correction. Android runs on MIPS, ARM and x86.
ARM is the most popular platform though.
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but the assertion that Android has always run on ARM is not incorrect, the first device that Android ran on was ARM.