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Hi everyone,
I bought my T-Mobile G1 from the states about a year ago, when the G1 was exclusive to T-Mobile. I am currently using my G1 on the Rogers network. I knew I would only get EDGE and won't be able to get 3G on my phone but I was content, because I wanted the G1 so bad!!!!!! Rogers operate on 850/1900Mhz and the T-Mo G1 runs on 1700/2100Mhz. Now since Rogers are selling the HTC Dream, it changes things for me. I want 3G!!!!!!
So, to get down to the point, I was wondering if there is a way for me to flash my T-Mo G1 with the Rogers HTC Dream image/firmware/radio so I can get 3G on the Rogers network?
My G1 info:
DREA100 PVT 32B
HSPL10.95.3000
CPLD-4
RADIO-2.22.19.26I
I know there are a few posts about this, but all the posts died.
If there is a existing post about this inquiry please point me to the right thread.
Thanks
good dream!
its impossible unless u replace the hardware
eniram said:
Hi everyone,
I bought my T-Mobile G1 from the states about a year ago, when the G1 was exclusive to T-Mobile. I am currently using my G1 on the Rogers network. I knew I would only get EDGE and won't be able to get 3G on my phone but I was content, because I wanted the G1 so bad!!!!!! Rogers operate on 850/1900Mhz and the T-Mo G1 runs on 1700/2100Mhz. Now since Rogers are selling the HTC Dream, it changes things for me. I want 3G!!!!!!
So, to get down to the point, I was wondering if there is a way for me to flash my T-Mo G1 with the Rogers HTC Dream image/firmware/radio so I can get 3G on the Rogers network?
My G1 info:
DREA100 PVT 32B
HSPL10.95.3000
CPLD-4
RADIO-2.22.19.26I
I know there are a few posts about this, but all the posts died.
If there is a existing post about this inquiry please point me to the right thread.
Thanks
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I'm fairly sure that's a hardware limitation, and not something that software can fix. People have tried flashing the Rogers radio on tmo dreams and ended up with bricks (shockingly >.>).
ytwytw said:
good dream!
its impossible unless u replace the hardware
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i need to flash an htc g1,
and i dont get any software to do,
the matter is that it is resetting,
i already hard reset it, and its the same,
what do you sugest?
I think this is very possible. I have in my possession a G1 from T-Mobile UK which was reflashed with the US ROM and it works swimmingly on 3G here.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but T-Mo UK's 3G is on 1900 MHz and US is on 1700. This would lead me to believe that the radio IS capable of operating on all current UMTS frequencies.
Sorry fine sirs,
but you would have to find a Canadian frequency version of this and install it in your phone.
BAMF said:
I think this is very possible. I have in my possession a G1 from T-Mobile UK which was reflashed with the US ROM and it works swimmingly on 3G here.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but T-Mo UK's 3G is on 1900 MHz and US is on 1700. This would lead me to believe that the radio IS capable of operating on all current UMTS frequencies.
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i need the 1900mhz rom, urgent, help me please,
as i know here in this forum theres many smart guys that know about this,
here they can help, do it please
thank you in advance
Why don't you just try it and find out? If it doesn't work, then just flash back your original image.
I don't think you need to change the antenna. The radio chipset is what determines which frequencies you can operate on, the antenna is basically a glorified piece of wire. Think about this: the G1 in the USA operates GSM/GPRS on 850, 900, and 1900 MHz, as well as UMTS on 1700 and 2100 MHz... all with the same antenna! You don't need to change it to operate on Rogers.
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Why don't you just try it and find out? If it doesn't work, then just flash back your original image.
I don't think you need to change the antenna. The radio chipset is what determines which frequencies you can operate on, the antenna is basically a glorified piece of wire. Think about this: the G1 in the USA operates GSM/GPRS on 850, 900, and 1900 MHz, as well as UMTS on 1700 and 2100 MHz... all with the same antenna! You don't need to change it to operate on Rogers.
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Really? Then why has nobody successfully "converted" the antenna to other frequencies?
happyface_0 said:
Really? Then why has nobody successfully "converted" the antenna to other frequencies?
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Dude go back and read my last two posts... I have "converted" a UK G1 (read: no 1700 MHz band in the UK) to work on T-Mobile USA's 3G. The only "conversion" I did was installing the US ROM. No antenna swap, no mainboard swap, did not open the phone whatsoever. Unlocked and the flashed. Done.
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Dude go back and read my last two posts... I have "converted" a UK G1 (read: no 1700 MHz band in the UK) to work on T-Mobile USA's 3G. The only "conversion" I did was installing the US ROM. No antenna swap, no mainboard swap, did not open the phone whatsoever. Unlocked and the flashed. Done.
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So you didn't get 3G before, and after flashing a "US" ROM (ROMs are region defined?) you have 3G? Hmmm
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So you didn't get 3G before, and after flashing a "US" ROM (ROMs are region defined?) you have 3G? Hmmm
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No, that is not what I said. When I received the phone, which was a UK model with the T-Mo UK ROM installed, I immediately unlocked it, rooted it, and reflashed with the US ROM. I did not test it before hand to see if 3G worked because the phone was locked to T-Mo UK and I only have a T-Mo US SIM card. I never said that it was not capable of 1700 MHz before the flash, only that the hardware was capable regardless of where it was bought.
And yes, the T-Mo UK ROM is different than that of the T-Mo US ROM. I am not a programmer, so I do not know how fundamentally different it is, but it most definitely comes with different apps and customizations, as well as APNs. Also, if you remove the battery cover, the UK model has a different part number than the US model. Beyond that, it is shown as an 'unrecognized device' in T-Mobile USA's system, whereas the US model shows up as an HTC G1. I believe that this is only related to the ESN, but the internet only works on it with the Android data package- it would not work on the Sidekick plan. I don't know if it's network-side or phone-side, but something is identifying it as an Android device.
Anyway, my whole point to the OP was that his phone should have the proper HARDWARE to operate on either Rogers' or T-Mobile's 3G, and that if something was preventing him from doing that now it was most likely due to the software on his phone.
The only part of a ROM that could change this would be the radio
https://your.rogers.com/web_auth/downloads.asp?product=Wireless
http://www.htc.com/ca/SupportDownloadList.aspx?p_id=270&act=sd&cat=2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534464&highlight=repository
That's the Rogers download page, try it out.
Bump: anyone try this out yet? I'm curious... It seems hard to find the Rogers standalone update though, you might need to unroot then reroot to do this.
Given the poor 3G coverage on T-Mobile in the US, why would two powerful phones such as the Nexus One and HD2 be relegated there? It is as if they are sabotoging themselves by being on T-Mob. (This paragraph was rhetorical).
My X1i is on it's last leg (screen blank in landscape and microphone not working) and I want to replace it. Currently, HD2 is the only thing that is appealing. I think I am going to hack one of the overseas models to work on 850MHz 3G on AT&T and forego waiting for the T-Mob model. Thanks XDA.
Hopefully, someone will make a step-by-step sticky on how to get the HD2 working on AT&T 3G USA.
1. Hard-SPL
2. Flash custom ROM
3. Insert SIM
That's what I did to get it working on Telus' 850mhz 3G. I remember the dude who made the huge thread about being the first in the US with a T9193 saying it was similarly easy.
If you just put your AT&T SIM in, you'll be able to send/receive texts, and make calls, but Telstra has the data connection settings locked down pretty heavily in the stock ROM...
OK, yeah, I was just looking through some of that thread. I thought it said something about changing or not changing radios. Is this already taken care of inside the custom ROMs ?
WhyBe said:
OK, yeah, I was just looking through some of that thread. I thought it said something about changing or not changing radios. Is this already taken care of inside the custom ROMs ?
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As far as I know you don't need to change the radio.
I didn't have to.
Great, thanks.
What type of price did you get? I see them from less than $700 to more than $900.
WhyBe said:
Given the poor 3G coverage on T-Mobile in the US, why would two powerful phones such as the Nexus One and HD2 be relegated there? It is as if they are sabotoging themselves by being on T-Mob. (This paragraph was rhetorical).
My X1i is on it's last leg (screen blank in landscape and microphone not working) and I want to replace it. Currently, HD2 is the only thing that is appealing. I think I am going to hack one of the overseas models to work on 850MHz 3G on AT&T and forego waiting for the T-Mob model. Thanks XDA.
Hopefully, someone will make a step-by-step sticky on how to get the HD2 working on AT&T 3G USA.
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if your device doesnot 850 mhz you will not be able to use 3g in usa it is hardware not software
hoss_n2 said:
if your device doesnot 850 mhz you will not be able to use 3g in usa it is hardware not software
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Thanks, however, that wasn't the question. It was already answered above.
Thanks all
hoss_n2 said:
if your device doesnot 850 mhz you will not be able to use 3g in usa it is hardware not software
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WhyBe said:
Thanks, however, that wasn't the question. It was already answered above.
Thanks all
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You need to make sure that the HD2 you buy has HSPA/WCDMA 850 MHz (not just GSM 850 MHz), because most do not.
harolds said:
You need to make sure that the HD2 you buy has HSPA/WCDMA 850 MHz (not just GSM 850 MHz), because most do not.
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Yes, based on what I am reading, getting the Telstra model with 850MHz 3G band should be compatible with 850MHz 3G AT&T in the U.S.
The designated-"U.S." model is designed for T-Mobile 3G (1700MHz or 2100MHz)
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(1700MHz AND 2100MHz)
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I fixed that for you -- phones won't work on T-Mobile 3G without BOTH 1700 and 2100.
Anyone getting the T-Mobile version tomorrow? With CDMA not SIM capable, and AT&T version still up in the air, I think I'm probably going to get one tomorrow!
I've got question regarding T-Mobile's werid 3G band tho. I think Samsung listed T-Mobile's version as AWS 1700/2100. I know 1700 is weird, but is that AWS 2100 same as the 2100 band that the rest of the world use? Sorry it's my first 3G T-mobile device, and looking on wiki or google is just kinda vague
2100MHz is the band used all across Europe as well as large parts of Asia.
So, yes, the T-Mobile one should give you 3G capability in other parts of the world, though if it's locked that may open up other issues.
Step666 said:
2100MHz is the band used all across Europe as well as large parts of Asia.
So, yes, the T-Mobile one should give you 3G capability in other parts of the world, though if it's locked that may open up other issues.
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I had a TMo US G1, and it worked fine on 3G when I returned to the UK. The converse was not true of my TMo UK G2 (HTC Hero), which would only get Edge in the US because it did not support both bands of AWS (1700/2100).
So, I see no reason why a TMo US shouldn't work pretty much everywhere else in the world where 2100 3G is ubiquitous.
Regards,
Dave
Cool thanks, i guess that AWS threw me off. I thought there were a regular 2100, and then T-Mobile's AWS 2100
Step666 said:
2100MHz is the band used all across Europe as well as large parts of Asia.
So, yes, the T-Mobile one should give you 3G capability in other parts of the world, though if it's locked that may open up other issues.
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Actually you're a bit off. Tmo's 3G runs on AWS 1700/2100 band which is not the same 2100 *frequency* as the rest of the world. Tmo uses 1700 for downloads and 2100 for uploads, so both bands (aws/band IV) are needed.
Now Europe (and rest of GSM world) use straight 2100 band for 3G but the exact frequency is not the same as Tmo's.
Basically a Tmo Galaxy Tab will only get you EDGE outside of the US. An ATT Galaxy Tab will get you 3G in the US and the rest of the world (as long as it's sim unlocked, ofcourse).
LordLugard said:
Basically a Tmo Galaxy Tab will only get you EDGE outside of the US. An ATT Galaxy Tab will get you 3G in the US and the rest of the world (as long as it's sim unlocked, ofcourse).
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No, the T-mobile phones give you also 3G in Europe. All AWS chipsets do both Band I (2100) and Band IV (AWS 1700/2100).
I thought the galaxy tab is quad band, so you can simply swap your sim card with another european carrier and it should work on thier frequency
Am I wrong?
ahbvrh said:
I thought the galaxy tab is quad band, so you can simply swap your sim card with another european carrier and it should work on thier frequency
Am I wrong?
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You're right for 2G, not for 3G
So getting the unlock code for tmobile device and putting AT&T sim card will not give me 3g connectivity (using AT&T network)?
ahbvrh said:
So getting the unlock code for tmobile device and putting AT&T sim card will not give me 3g connectivity (using AT&T network)?
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No, because it doesn't support the 850 or 1900 MHz bands.
Volker1 said:
No, the T-mobile phones give you also 3G in Europe. All AWS chipsets do both Band I (2100) and Band IV (AWS 1700/2100).
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It will not. Pls do some more reading on the subject. There's a very good writeup on it in these forum. Someone explained it better than I've probably done. If I find it I'll link to it.
LordLugard said:
It will not. Pls do some more reading on the subject.
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One could say the same to you.
This is a link to T-Mobile US's support forum, in which someone has had it confirmed from T-Mobile themselves that all devices designed for their network have to be fully compatible with the 2100MHz band, meaning they will give you 3G capabilities in Europe.
Your previous post in which you claim that the 2100MHz band that T-Mobile use is not the same as the 2100MHz band the rest of the world uses is nothing short of ridiculous.
If the band T-Mobile used was different to the one used in the rest of the world, it would not be described as 2100MHz.
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It will not. Pls do some more reading on the subject. There's a very good writeup on it in these forum. Someone explained it better than I've probably done. If I find it I'll link to it.
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Sorry, but as I already said earlier in this thread, my T-Mobile US G1, which is an AWS device, worked perfectly well in the UK with full 3G. Similarly, I know of people who bought TMo Nexus Ones in the US, and these all worked fine in the UK.
That's not to say there isn't some subtle difference which not all chipsets can cater for, but it is certainly true that many TMo US handsets will give 3G capabilities in Europe.
Regards,
Dave
The normal UMTS 2100 is called "Band I" and t-mobile's AWS is called "Band IV":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
The AWS 3G module has already 2100MHz support, so there is no additional hardware necessary to support Band I as well. Theoretically it could be disabled, of course, but then T-mobile wouldn't be able to charge you an arm and a leg if you were to roam outside of the US
Hi,
Seeing as most heroes including mine are on the GSM band of 900MHz and not the 850MHz that for some reason Telstra decided to use in rural areas, is it possible to flash another radio to 'unlock' (right word?) the 850MHz band to allow HSDPA speeds for me as opposed to the Edge network?
If this is possible, does anyone know where to get the radio for this?
TIA
hero doesn't have radio hardware, ain't it?
vijaysapkota said:
hero doesn't have radio hardware, ain't it?
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and how would you make a call then?
I think he meant FM? It still has that via headphones. Any ideas on topic would be nice though
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its not possible, as the hero radio hardware itself is not capable of 850mhz umts/3g band.
Unfortunately, theres no way to simply 'unlock' it, as it doesnt exist.
Killafish is SOOOOOO WRONG
Killafish said:
its not possible, as the hero radio hardware itself is not capable of 850mhz umts/3g band.
Unfortunately, theres no way to simply 'unlock' it, as it doesnt exist.
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So very wrong! Are you serious? You know there is more than one version of the Hero right? Euro, NAM, AU, and CDMA. NAM and AU have 850MHz UMTS.
What about the Telus or Telstra hero's? They use 850 in Canada and in Australia. Why would those carriers sell the Hero if it doesn't have the correct freq for their network? I have a Telus Hero and it has 850UMTS. Seriously, if you don't know the answer, don't say anything.
In my experience the best Radio file for good 850 Reception is the 09.26 radio. If you search you will find it.
Here it is...
I tried posting the radio file but it is too large for XDA. Sorry.
regarding to the HTC site the hero has those freqs:
Code:
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
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850/900/1800/1900 MHz
and I think these should work with all radio versions.
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hero/specification.html
but it does not have FM.
I forgot to mention that my Hero is not a native Australian Hero but a UK Hero which means the UMTS frequencies are: 900/2100 MHz.
Will flashing another radio give me 850/2100 MHz? (is the original question I should have asked) Telstra run 850MHz in Rural areas and 2100MHz in metro areas. Why on Earth can't Telcos all run on the same frequencies!?
guy_smiley said:
I forgot to mention that my Hero is not a native Australian Hero but a UK Hero which means the UMTS frequencies are: 900/2100 MHz.
Will flashing another radio give me 850/2100 MHz? (is the original question I should have asked) Telstra run 850MHz in Rural areas and 2100MHz in metro areas. Why on Earth can't Telcos all run on the same frequencies!?
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No, it won't. The HW says 900/2100, SW won't change that.
Because they're douches. Mine is also the 900/2100, else I would've suggested a swap. :V
Kanzar said:
No, it won't. The HW says 900/2100, SW won't change that.
Because they're douches. Mine is also the 900/2100, else I would've suggested a swap. :V
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Damn, not what I was hoping for but thanks for the reply
I wholeheartedly agree. Looks like I'll be cracking open the Desire when I get home instead of flogging it off on fleabay
eatmydave said:
So very wrong! Are you serious? You know there is more than one version of the Hero right? Euro, NAM, AU, and CDMA. NAM and AU have 850MHz UMTS.
What about the Telus or Telstra hero's? They use 850 in Canada and in Australia. Why would those carriers sell the Hero if it doesn't have the correct freq for their network? I have a Telus Hero and it has 850UMTS. Seriously, if you don't know the answer, don't say anything.
In my experience the best Radio file for good 850 Reception is the 09.26 radio. If you search you will find it.
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as has been made clear, he has an Australian Hero which only has 900/2100 3g bands. I probably should have stated I was assuming that when I posted my comment.
The Hero was never sold via carriers in Australia, only through electronic retailers, hence Telstra never actually sold the phone.
I am really interested in the Korean version of this phone (with the removable battery and sd card slot), but there seems to be confusion over which models support which frequency bands... so my question is..
Do any of them support 3G on the 850/1900 band???
Thanks
Yes I will also like to know as well. Because I would to get this vein so I don't have to stock with a contact.
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Warrimonk said:
Do any of them support 3G on the 850/1900 band???
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Look what F240S can has in attachment. So I think it supports 1900 band. As well as F240K. And F320S/F320K will work with 1900 to
Best way for your is to ask people which have korean G Pro at hand to make you screenshots of their bands by menu 5457#*240#
Billy Madison said:
Look what F240S can has in attachment. So I think it supports 1900 band. As well as F240K. And F320S/F320K will work with 1900 to
Best way for your is to ask people which have korean G Pro at hand to make you screenshots of their bands by menu 5457#*240#
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Thanks, this is helpful.
However I am torn between which band would be more useful to me, 850 or 1900 (I live in a rural area). I can live with 3G but not 2G,
UPDATE: A G2 with model number F320S was listed on eBay saying it supports HSDPA 850/900/1900/2100 in the description. I messaged the seller to make sure it was not a mistake, and he assured me that the device does support these 3G frequencies and that it would get 3G signal on carriers Canada.
Just got this phone. I am in US and need to know where you went to get those setting. Currently only getting 3G
Thanks
tpcastelli said:
Just got this phone. I am in US and need to know where you went to get those setting. Currently only getting 3G
Thanks
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What carrier are you with? You should only get 3G, since none of the LTE variants that work in the US are released yet.
Yes thank you, I am getting 3G on AT&T. Battery is very cooperative on 3G. Every time I dial a voice call the phone thinks I am in Korea ...can not find any setting in phone for region, any chance you might know how to change regions? The phone is very ergonomic, probably the moist ergonomic I have used.
tpcastelli said:
Yes thank you, I am getting 3G on AT&T. Battery is very cooperative on 3G. Every time I dial a voice call the phone thinks I am in Korea ...can not find any setting in phone for region, any chance you might know how to change regions? The phone is very ergonomic, probably the moist ergonomic I have used.
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MoreLocale 2 in the app store seems to do the trick but I don't have an lg g2 to test it. I guess you need to root it first and grant superuser permissions because of the way jellybean handles it.I came up with this thru a couple Google searches so its untested.
I'm tempted. I'm on straight talk in the USA. If it worked, tell me as a thanks cause I kinda want to get it. I wonder if it supports tmobiles hspa+42 network. I use a T-Mobile straight talk sim card...., it runs off of T-Mobile's network but I pay straight talk but no LTE.
I will give it a try. First I need root, do you know where I can get root for the LG G2?
Warrimonk said:
I am really interested in the Korean version of this phone (with the removable battery and sd card slot), but there seems to be confusion over which models support which frequency bands... so my question is..
Do any of them support 3G on the 850/1900 band???
Thanks
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Dono if you still need it. But here it is:
320S:
GSM 850/900/1800/1900
UMTS B1B2B5 850/1900/2100
LTE B1B3B5B7 850/1800/2100/2600
320K:
GSM 850/900/1800/1900
UMTS B1B2B5 850/1900/2100
LTE B1B3B7B8 900/1800/2100/2600
No info on the 320L
Thanks. That clears a lot up. It is good to see 2 models with a large range of bands.
It really is amazing how many websites had bad info.
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Along the same lines, does anyone know what the model number is of the G2 that works on Verizon bands?
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Dono if you still need it. But here it is:
320S:
GSM 850/900/1800/1900
UMTS B1B2B5 850/1900/2100
LTE B1B3B5B7 850/1800/2100/2600
320K:
GSM 850/900/1800/1900
UMTS B1B2B5 850/1900/2100
LTE B1B3B7B8 900/1800/2100/2600
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I doubt it, where do you get this bands? native Korean models never had LTE 2600 supported, so that must be fakes
Billy Madison said:
I doubt it, where do you get this bands? native Korean models never had LTE 2600 supported, so that must be fakes
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I can confirm the LTE 2600 supported. I'm using the SK version in Hong Kong and can use both LTE 1800 and LTE 2600 with this phone.
krmdb said:
I can confirm the LTE 2600 supported. I'm using the SK version in Hong Kong and can use both LTE 1800 and LTE 2600 with this phone.
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I bought the 320L, how I can check what band it support ?
Sam2hk said:
I bought the 320L, how I can check what band it support ?
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Dial 5457#*320# and look for Band selection menu. Don't tinker with it, just make please screenshots 4 us pressing and holding "power+vol.down"
Then LTE channels screenshots will be appreciated too. The more the better
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Dial 5457#*320# and look for Band selection menu. Don't tinker with it, just make please screenshots 4 us pressing and holding "power+vol.down"
Then LTE channels screenshots will be appreciated too. The more the better
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Attached is the screenshots, see if these are the one you looking for.
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Attached is the screenshots, see if these are the one you looking for.
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Attached is another screen of the GSM/WDCDMA ?
These are the 2G / 3G Band ?
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Attached is another screen of the GSM/WDCDMA ?
These are the 2G / 3G Band ?
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Yes
Billy Madison said:
I doubt it, where do you get this bands? native Korean models never had LTE 2600 supported, so that must be fakes
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I'm using the F320K and here is the bands i have.