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Advice for Iphone user

Hello all, please excuse the ignorance of this post. I have been an Iphone user from day one of the 2g Iphone, currently having a 3g one. Getting a little tired of the Iphone, and have tried Win Mo on a Touch Diamond (dont hate me but I wasnt a fan of the OS). I have been looking at the vids of Hero on www.coolsmartphone.com, and starting to become quite taken. Was just curious if anyone out there is an Iphone user switching to Android OS, in particular the Hero. Really just looking for some opinions, and I am not trying to start an Iphone haters thread, just looking for some advice.

Although I'm not a huge dan of the iPhone, I much prefer its software to Android. I'll set aside the iTunes store and bandwagon effects (when people develop for mobile, they develop for iPhone) for now.
I feel that Android has too many buttons. There's an end, home, and back button. I'm not always sure which one to press. Also, it has multitasking without and inbuilt task manager. I don't know how to quit vs. hide an app. I think its app specific.
That said, the Hero software is much better than the standard Android build.
I was given an Ion at Google I/O, but I've hardly touched it. The iPhone, even with its own limitations, is still a better phone.

Cheers for the quick reply, still undecided.

I'm not quite an iPhone user, just an iPod touch. All I can really say is that the iPhone has a lot of great apps, browsing and calendar is great, as well as other features. I've never owned an Android device but I'm looking at the Hero too and like how customizable it is. I guess I just want to try something different.

I have never owned an iphone but been a LONG term Winmob user. I moved to Android yesterday and there is no doubt, Android is light years ahead of the current version of winmob, but, and there is a but, when you are so used to something, even good change can be a little frustrating. My point? If you use and like iphone, and remembering (if we are honest) the whole iphone experience is more visually and aesthetically appealing than winmob (with whatever rom you fancy ) ...and in a lot of areas, more functional, then I would imagine you as a long term iphoner would find the journey to hero/android a little traumatic.
You might like it for a day, then think 'but on iphone I did this', etc.
So, in summary, I have made the leap as winmob was just becoming too dated and for me, the nuances are acceptable but for someone from an already decent OS, you may think, after a while, I prefer where I was.

theillustratedlife said:
Although I'm not a huge dan of the iPhone, I much prefer its software to Android. I'll set aside the iTunes store and bandwagon effects (when people develop for mobile, they develop for iPhone) for now.
I feel that Android has too many buttons. There's an end, home, and back button. I'm not always sure which one to press. Also, it has multitasking without and inbuilt task manager. I don't know how to quit vs. hide an app. I think its app specific.
That said, the Hero software is much better than the standard Android build.
I was given an Ion at Google I/O, but I've hardly touched it. The iPhone, even with its own limitations, is still a better phone.
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Free app, tasKiller - works great for shutting down running apps, just put an icon on your homescreen and 2 taps is all it takes.
I was suffering major app slowdown before installing this, sometimes multiple instances of the same app were running and slowing things down, this app is a god send!

Thanks. I figured there would be something like that - my comments were more in reference to the iPhone v Android discussion.

cbailey said:
I have never owned an iphone but been a LONG term Winmob user. I moved to Android yesterday and there is no doubt, Android is light years ahead of the current version of winmob, but, and there is a but, when you are so used to something, even good change can be a little frustrating. My point? If you use and like iphone, and remembering (if we are honest) the whole iphone experience is more visually and aesthetically appealing than winmob (with whatever rom you fancy ) ...and in a lot of areas, more functional, then I would imagine you as a long term iphoner would find the journey to hero/android a little traumatic.
You might like it for a day, then think 'but on iphone I did this', etc.
So, in summary, I have made the leap as winmob was just becoming too dated and for me, the nuances are acceptable but for someone from an already decent OS, you may think, after a while, I prefer where I was.
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Although I will agree with some of your points othese I wont.
I find that andriod is more asthetically pleasing than the iPhone and when you state that the poster would think "the iphone did this" they will also think wow my iphone didnt do this...
To the original poster, why dont you take a trip to t-mobile and try their phone before you buy, only you will know what you prefer.
I used to be an iphone user and hated it after about a week, the main issue for me seemed to be multitasking, amazing how much I use that.
Anyways just my opinion, each to their own, but dont discard the Hero nor should you leap into buying one, read, read, read and try in store.

Certainly, do not discount the Hero, it is a beautiful piece of tech.
If it helps you any, I kept my Hero for 3 days, then returned to the Kaiser. I have sent the Hero back.
Now, is the Kaiser better? As a tech experience, NOT a chance, the Hero is much better. As a functional tool, the Kaiser is more (for me).
Example, it syncs locally, completely flawlessly. The Satnav apps on it are mature and established, if truth also be told, I found an onscreen keyboard not a patch on a hardware one. These are key reasons I need my phone.
Will I go back to Hero? I would have thought very likely. It needs to mature a little, then I will be back in. I will still miss the hardware keyboard though. Pressing a screen is not a patch on pressing buttons. But as an iphone user, that will not be any issue for you.

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I've just sold my iPhone 3G and ordered a HTC Hero, I think being a Mac lover there'll always be a thing for the iPhone and the whole user experience - no matter what anyone says. But I just wanted to try something different and the Hero looked promising with the Android and mainly what HTC has added to it. Hopefully it doesn't let me down! If I do miss the iPhone too much then I'll just upgrade in 9 months once my contract finishes!

hannanmalik said:
I've just sold my iPhone 3G and ordered a HTC Hero, I think being a Mac lover there'll always be a thing for the iPhone and the whole user experience - no matter what anyone says. But I just wanted to try something different and the Hero looked promising with the Android and mainly what HTC has added to it. Hopefully it doesn't let me down! If I do miss the iPhone too much then I'll just upgrade in 9 months once my contract finishes!
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I predict you will very quickly long for where you once were and end up with another iphone. Sure of it.

hannanmalik said:
I've just sold my iPhone 3G and ordered a HTC Hero, I think being a Mac lover there'll always be a thing for the iPhone and the whole user experience - no matter what anyone says. But I just wanted to try something different and the Hero looked promising with the Android and mainly what HTC has added to it. Hopefully it doesn't let me down! If I do miss the iPhone too much then I'll just upgrade in 9 months once my contract finishes!
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Two thumbs up!!
I had an iphone sold it and NEVER looked back, behind all that hype theres actually just a phone with an ipod!!

danchappers said:
Two thumbs up!!
I had an iphone sold it and NEVER looked back, behind all that hype theres actually just a phone with an ipod!!
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Hahahaha. Whenever i see somone with an Iphone its like Whatever. Its like so not 2009. It just got old for me. I sold my Magic to get a Htc Hero:
I had a G1, sold it to my friend from work, bought a Magic, played with it for 1-2 weeks. Sold it and now im getting a Hero soon!

HD2 vs. iPhone: battle of titans

Hi,
This thread is to provide comparison and feedback exclusively from those that have both an iPhone 3G or later and an HD2, as is my case.
So here's my first go at comparing a 3G vs. HD2:
First and foremost: Handability and visual - which one is really usable
HD2 of course has a bigger screen, easier to read for those over 40 and more fancy, more show-off than a 3G, however:
- 3G easier to hold in the hand
- 3G can be operated one-handed. nearly impossible with HD2 due to its size
- HD2 easier to drop on the floor - it's not very handy, even for big hands
- Lets face it: Apple User interface is light-years ahead. 3G has an A LOT more intuitive, and more ergonomic user interface compared to the HD2: just compare how SMS threads are managed on the iPhone compared to the 3G - despite WM65, HD2 is pre-historic compared to the iphone. Same for email, browsing, ....
- The 3G touchscreen has a more responsive screen. On the HD2 sometimes you have to repeat swipe, pinch. Never happens on the 3G. The HD2 screen is nice and big, but close to the boarders, so you get many unwanted keypresses depending on how you hold it. Pinch zoom not native to WM65. Look at how iPhone handles the internet browser and compare with Explorer and Opera on the HD2 -WM65 is lagging behind the iPhone. (You do get pinch zoom on video in HD2, but who really needs that?)
- what about copy and paste on HD2? Pre-historic and not finger-friendly on WM65 - check out the cool new copy-paste feature on the iPhone latest firmware.
- HD2 keypad impossible to type with - I get one error per word; Apple 3G since the 3.1 firmware is more usable (try turning of the click sound - you will be surprised how fast you can go without error)
- in car handling while driving - you have to really pull over with the HD2, where the iPhone only requires a swipe and a keypress.
Conclusion: clear win to Apple on ergonomics and usability. WM65 suffers from its heritage. Unless MS decides to develope a new mobile OS from scratch, the game is lost against Apple. And there's a lot more non-tech people buying smartphones than there are WM geeks. MS - wake up !!!
Next, what you can do with it: the apps: the app store speaks for itself
Ever since I bought the HD2 3 weeks ago, the number of available apps in MS marketplace has not changed: a total of 60 apps only (!!!!!!!!!!) - compared to how many tens of thousands for the iPhone (!!!!!!!!!) including superbe games that beat a Nintendo DS. On WM65, there's nearly nothing. Now that I realized this after buying the HD2, I would not have bought it in the first place, because in the end, that is what counts for a smart phone. What good is a smart phone if you have no apps to do anything with it, no matter how great the smartphone looks? Here again, MS beware and wake up !!!
Proprietary vs. open platform: who's really open and who is not?
The long standing critique on the iPhone is that it was a closed, proprietary platform compared to WM65. Well, given the app note above, think twice. Even without jailbraking the iPhone you get a lot better than what you get for an "open" WM65 machine. And if you can't withhold tweaking everything, you can also jailbrake an iPhone and tweak everything on it. No advantage to WM65
Comms
HD2 a lot better. For instance when listening to streaming radio, the iPhone often disconnects / interrupts in the car when reception is more difficult, where the HD2 keeps on reception without interruption on the same route.
GPS functionality
Clear win to HD2, despite using an inferior non-SirfIII GPS chip I believe from Qualcomm. The iPhone GPS in contrast is the worst of the worst of all on the market. I mean even my old HTC P3600 without any quickgps works a lot better than an iPhone. For some reason on the iPhone the position is always wrong, the signal lost every 20 seconds, ....
That said, the HD2 is only good as long as there's Agps available. Traveling to a different country, you lose the AGPS advantage. In place, you will discover the joy of 2minute warm fix times, when you need the quick fix the most (note my official ROM does not have the Quickgps). I never understood why HTC dropped the Sirf III chip after the P3300 model, replacing with the inferior qualcomm chips. If anyone from HTC is reading this: do you know a Sirf IV is out, its cheap, consumes less power, small, and a lot quicker / precise than anything else available for civil use?
Now the GPS apps: None available on MS Marketplace so far. That said the GPS apps are generally better on WM65 - richer functionality (you can add your own POI and have POI warning when approaching) which is not possible on the iPhone.
Other technical and other features
Battery not exchangable in iPHone? who cares? I've had an iPhone for more than a year, using and charging every single day. Performance has not been impacted to date. the HD2 has the same battery charge life approximately as an iPhone
Memory: HD2 only comes with a 2G micro SD card. You need to put another 100 EUR for a 32G micro SD on the table to match iPhone's 32G.
Periferilia:
Did you notice since several months in the electronics and mobile phone stores, all of the periferilia was replaced and more than 90% of it today is exclusive to the iPhone. If you chose something else, tough luck - a lot less chargers, cases, screen protectors, etc. Everything in the shop today is for the iPhone.
My conclusion:
First and formost: the HD2 is a lot better than all other WM65 smart phones.
But, despite that I only have the 3G, not the newer iPhones, and the 3G has a slow processor, I feel the iPhone usability and app availability makes up for some of it. HD2 is a lot faster, and in the end WM65 is good for the disguised computer scientists and geeks like me. But anyone non-computer or IT savvy will feel a lot more comfortable with the iPhone- this is not against HTC, it's the OS the machine runs, WM65 that is at fault, and furthermore, there are currently really very few Apps for the HD2 where you have 10 of thousands for the iphone. The size of the screen, the processor speed, the show-off effect surpasses the iPhone, but app availablity and usability is lagging behind.
Would be interested in your thoughts
[NEW] Camera: HD2 is a lot better than iPhone, and the video is better than my old camcorder

I totally agree with one thing in your post: MS should create a totally new mobile OS from scratch if they want to catch up with the competition. That's the reason why Android, WebOS and the iPhone have so much success, they're all new OS'es, created by new standards instead of the 2000 standards WM has.

Seriously though, How much did Apple pay you to write all this?
You make the HD2 sound like total crap.

erosennin said:
Seriously though, How much did Apple pay you to write all this?
You make the HD2 sound like total crap.
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ok, credit given to you, I revised some of my text. Note also my last comment - the HD2 is A LOT better than any other WM65 smart phone.
That said, did you ever use an iPhone? Do you disagree with any point that I raised in my summary? I have both, and will be happy to discuss further. My comments are focused on usability and usefulness, which I believe are the two most important criteria to consider.

I'd agree with most of what you've written. I also own both the iPhone (3GS) and, now, the HD2.
Loving the screen size on the HD2, but comparing it to the iPhone in almost EVERY other respect, it falls short.
I'm persevering with the HD2 though, as I wanted a change from the iPhone for a while.
But deep down, I'm 99% certain I'll be selling the HD2 long before I think about leaving the iPhone.
The iPhone is so easy to use. The keyboard is a million miles ahead of any other virtual keyboard. The media interface is better than any other I've seen. Battery life is better on my iPhone than on my HD2 (although the HD2 is better than it was). Apps availability is a big plus, even though so many are pointless. I've never liked anything Apple before, but the iPhone is still the phone to beat.
If it wasn't, the media wouldn't still be searching for the "iPhone killer" would they?
I do like my HD2, but realistically, it's not even close to matching my iPhone for everything that I want from a handset.

I never used an iphone, and I don't intend too.
But reading you 90% of your post, you seem totally biased

Really cheap flamewar bait ..

I believe the competition have caught up with Iphone, and for me personally, the only thing that is awesome with iphone is itunes store.
I prefer my HD2 to my old Iphone 3GS any day...not sure what i will say when they bring a new one out though!

Well I had to purchase my HD2 because orange don't yet stock it in the UK but they offered me the Iphone so I borrowed my sisters 3GS for a while and decided against it I think it boils down to what you are used to I already have lots of WM apps which work well there are lots to chose from on WM. You already mention GPS The HD2 is awsome with this a major reason I bought it.
I found the screen much more responsive on the HD2 than on the Iphone where you have to tap things twice sometimes to get them going.
I actually would have prefered the HD2 to be the Iphones size, but there is not that much difference and when you get used to the size other screens seem tiny in comparison.
I found the Iphone interface very boring to use there is no homescreen as such just a grid of apps, there is much more info on the Windows mobile homescreen.Both on Titanium and HTC sense.
I dont know what you mean by dropping the phone both can be dropped.
The camera is better on the HD2 and it has a flash (even taking into account the pink blob)
Another plus was XDA developers and the choice of what you can do with your phone regards cooking different roms. You are basically stuck with the Iphone as is,I probably would have got bored with it very quickly.
I would agree the Iphone is a very good phone especially good for gamers and music fans, etc and has a very slick flowing interface, I would consider the HD2 as a good alternative with a lot of potential for further improvements.

I was tempted by the darkside and I hate it. 3GS going on ebay and im returning to WM, with the HD2 cap in hand.

the-uki said:
ok, credit given to you, I revised some of my text. Note also my last comment - the HD2 is A LOT better than any other WM65 smart phone.
That said, did you ever use an iPhone? Do you disagree with any point that I raised in my summary? I have both, and will be happy to discuss further. My comments are focused on usability and usefulness, which I believe are the two most important criteria to consider.
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I sold my iphone 3GS to fund my Hd2 purchase - no guesses about what position I have on this post - which btw is like the millionth one here in Leo section. Don't miss it one single bit and love my HD2 to bits - everyone has they're personal view....
ITunes and the usual apple - "you will do it this way or else" attitude to the OS are the only things I'm going to say. Stick to the general consumer products fella

You now comparing old Iphone hardware with old Windows Mobile. Boh will be updated in the next 6 months. In my opinion the batlle then really begins.

Biglia05 said:
I totally agree with one thing in your post: MS should create a totally new mobile OS from scratch if they want to catch up with the competition. That's the reason why Android, WebOS and the iPhone have so much success, they're all new OS'es, created by new standards instead of the 2000 standards WM has.
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WM 6.5 was never meant to be earth shattering but a stepping stone to WM 7. I believe this is MS last chance of redemption as they have lost ground for over a decade. Standing by for the real difference of WM7 ! IT's COMING !! Good luck MS! However from a hardware perspective, HD2 Kicks Ass !!

granted for a long time the ifun was tied into an exclusive deal with o2 but that never,imho,excused the exorbitant tarifs that were charged for it then or since and as such I'm proud to say I've given it a wide berth (appart from prodding someone else's just to see what all the fuss was about) and at the end of the day the question you have to ask yourself is: "did you ever see anyone drooling over an iphone?" the first purchase I'll make for a HD2 when I get mine is a wetsuit for it!

Hi the-uki,
I see many of your points, but please tell me:
Why are you looking for WM-Apps only in this crappy shop??? Why are you not a bit more autonomous to find the thousands and thousands WM-Apps in the www by yourself, without the helping of an app-store? I think we are all old enough to help ourselves, so this is not a negative aspect you know
Greets,
Bluecharge

LOL - I read these threads with interest..
I've never owned an iPhone of any kind, probably one of the very few tech gadgets out that I didn't convince myself I needed in my life. Have always been a Nokia phone man and Windows Mobile PDA man, then as of the last few years have been just about coping with a single device running WM6.1 (Diamond) and now 6.5 with the HD2.
I think WM comes up short in many areas, and I'm comparing it to just a normal bog standard Nokia phone here!, but getting there. I can still txt quicker on any basic Nokia; that said at least I can actually txt on a WM phone now!
Anyways, I have two longstanding Vodafone contracts, yet I always seem to buy offline (providers never seem to have what I want). Being slightly more cost conscious at the moment (ish!) I was pleased to be able to get my HD2 on Vodafone. I now have my other contract which is due an upgrade (has been for something like 4 yrs lol) and I'm tempted to get an iPhone just for the hell of it (like the idea of getting a subsidised handsets for a change after all these years!) and give it a go. Have I really been missing out on greatness??! Who knows.. I almost want to not like it )) however equally I might well be won over.
Doubt anyone actually cares. But I'll probably let you know non-the-less!

I have to say people do go on don't they. All this talk of iPhone this HD2 that - surely it all comes down to a myriad of personal preferences.
As far as I am concerned I have owned many, many phones right back to the Motorla MicroTAC, and to be fair we have come a bloody long way since then. All the latest phones are pretty spectacular in one way or another. I just don't get all the whinging,whining and comparing that goes on. I fancied an iPhone as I just felt it was something I needed to own at some point. I intrinsically have nothing against the iPhone - the problem is that the tariffs they are offered on are just not competitive compared to other phone contracts. This is surely a big deciding factor for a lot of people.
To this end we all make our personal choices based on many differing factors, it really serves no purpose arguing over which phone is best.

OneGoodKnock said:
I have to say people do go on don't they. All this talk of iPhone this HD2 that - surely it all comes down to a myriad of personal preferences.
As far as I am concerned I have owned many, many phones right back to the Motorla MicroTAC, and to be fair we have come a bloody long way since then. All the latest phones are pretty spectacular in one way or another. I just don't get all the whinging,whining and comparing that goes on. I fancied an iPhone as I just felt it was something I needed to own at some point. I intrinsically have nothing against the iPhone - the problem is that the tariffs they are offered on are just not competitive compared to other phone contracts. This is surely a big deciding factor for a lot of people.
To this end we all make our personal choices based on many differing factors, it really serves no purpose arguing over which phone is best.
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Here here, what this man said!
I do think the OP intended to write a genuine head-to-head, however I think then seemed to get too involved in the fact that his own personal opinion is with the iPhone and therefore nullified any real level comparative value.
Each to their own and all that..

I live in USA and switched to the iPhone 2 years ago. I had used WM for many years until I switched. I was reluctant, but am now quite used to the device.
When the HD2 surfaced, I was being pulled back to WM, as I HAD to try it out.
SO, as an iPhone user trying to go back to WM, it is hard. I must agree with the OP that the fruit phone is much easier to use, especially with the App Store and iTunes.
I understand that XDA-Dev is WM-centered and I have been a big fan of this site and come for WM info. I used to cook ROMs quite a bit. You can't do that with the iPhone.
I will say that the HD2 is a beautiful phone. The screen is amazing. Having not used WM for a couple years, it has come a long way, thanks in large part to HTC. If I had 3G here on the HD2, I might be more aggressive trying it out. I think I will get a VZ Mifi and try it out more.
So, don't bash! I love both phones, but being an iPhone user, I am spoiled.

the-uki said:
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My thoughts? Simple. You should have gotten an iPhone 3GS instead of a HD2 as you're clearly more suited to that platform. I also agree with what has been said, you're clearly biased towards Apple's device so there was no real comparison in your post.

It's been a fun ride...

...so i just sold my beloved nexus one to a good guy, i'm really curious about WP7 so an HD7 is comin my way tomorrow. I already miss my sexy nexy, I was really in love with it. It's clean design, solid alluminium case, trackball notifications are all things i'm going to miss, along with android's "do what you want with your own phone" philosophy and, of course, the amazing developers. I really feel like i'm leaving my family here Sure if i had enough money i would have kept my nexus forever, but i'm just a student so i had to sell it...
So thank you guys for the fun time here, and hope to see you again somewhere on xda, probably i'll come back to android in the future to see what's changed, surely i'll keep following the android scene!
PS: in my opinion the nexus one is still one of the best android phones even compared to the galaxy s2...crapwiz anyone? too bad gingerbread is not hardware accelerated nexus would have had a second life IMHO

Aren't the HD7's plasticy? Sounds like you'll be missing the N1 (and Android) in no time

I can't even imagine trading in my Nexus for a windows phone...the very thought makes me wanna puke

talk about taking a step backwards..
or few steps

But hey, you can enjoy the smooth animation of flying colored squares!
Scrolling on WP7 is pretty smooth and transition effects of the square icons are pretty nifty.
So enjoy your 1st day of admiring the squares before getting sick of it. Unless you like the squares, so in that case maybe one week.

As a previous Windows Phone user... 3 things:
1) LOLOLOLOLOLOL
2) Good luck
3) You'll be back

hope you like it, man. i rolled a samsung focus for a bit and i really liked it. after some maturation time, winmo 7 will be a force. enjoy it!
eric b

I have the HD7..you will like it...
...for about 6 1/2 minutes then it gets boring as ****! Best thing about the HD7 is that I have 4 Android phones as backups. (The G1, the Nexus One, the Vibrant and the MyTouch 4G) I only pop my SIM card in the HD7 whenever my MyTouch 4G battery dies or whenever I wanna watch Netflix..other than that the HD7 doesn't get used much sorry to say. Windows phone 7 gets boring very quickly after the initial "awe" of the UI's smoothness and transitions. I am actually charging my Nexus One as I type this cuz I've decided its time to mess with it once again. Save your money buddy cuz you will be wanting another Android phone within the next few days.

Once you go Android - you'll always be back sooner or later.

Was a previous Windows Phone user and you will eventually get bored or fed up with all the bugs & lag We'll be here if you decide to return to a fun filled Android

lmfao the android fan boys never cease to amaze me even more so then the apple fanboys!
As a dual user of android and wp7
you will definitely enjoy the experience
with your HD7. I love mine!
It is a much better overall experience than Android
1)No lag...Aside from the game(but even then it's not that bad)
2)Overall UI is more attractive and Fun...No gimmicks such as live wallpapers, No need to download Launcher Pro, ADW GO launcher etc.
3)Games are so much fun to play especially with the X-box live integration and Kinect will soon be coming to Wp7
4)Netflix is wonderful
5)Email/SMS is seamless and the keyboard is definitely a beast
6)Social Networking intergration--Aside from Blur, this is definitely a Wp7 strength...Even sense sucks with this
LMAO you will lose the endless hacking, flashing roms, overclocking and customization that people brag about with Android.
Also, you don't with Windows phone 7 the updates will be a lot better vs waiting around on Android and Manufacturers and Carriers
There are like 10,000 apps in the marketplace vs Androids 100,000 but then when you take in account the crap apps of Android(80%) and that Windows market place gains 2000 apps every 2 weeks...This soon will be a moot point
No 4g just yet
No ffc
No NFC
(Pretty much stuff you didnt have with the Nexus to begin with)
LMAO in all actuality, I don't see too much strengths in android! Enjoy and I hope to see you in the HD7 forums
Multi-tasking is lacking...For now. However, the update coming shortly provides a Web-os like experience which
mutli-tasks and performs much better than Android and IOS way of multi-tasking. Even without multi-tasking, apps
come back on quick
Oh, and I am typing this on my Android device

I am confused. If WP7 is so much better,why did you type this on an android powered device?

probers1 said:
I am confused. If WP7 is so much better,why did you type this on an android powered device?
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Why can't he? He said he's a dual user, please elaborate your question.

probers1 said:
I am confused. If WP7 is so much better,why did you type this on an android powered device?
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lol i like android...it fits a different niche for me but android fans always seem to try and diss other OS(iphones, wp7, webos etc) and seem to excuse the faults that android has
"oh, it will be coming soon..."
WP7 has it's faults....but a lot of it's strengths are weakness in android
I love android and i love all the devices i;ve used from my 1st android(Motorola droid to my g2) i've owned close to 20 devices in a year and a half
But windows phone 7...is great...especially for a 1st gen OS

carmeng4evr said:
lol i like android...it fits a different niche for me but android fans always seem to try and diss other OS(iphones, wp7, webos etc) and seem to excuse the faults that android has
"oh, it will be coming soon..."
WP7 has it's faults....but a lot of it's strengths are weakness in android
I love android and i love all the devices i;ve used from my 1st android(Motorola droid to my g2) i've owned close to 20 devices in a year and a half
But windows phone 7...is great...especially for a 1st gen OS
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Dang...ballin' out of control!

carmeng4evr said:
It (wp7) is a much better overall experience than Android
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While I like WP-7 I think you might be over exaggerating your personal tastes to try and get your "point" across. It's a great 1st start for an OS and will get better and better but by no means is it currently better than Android...
3 things I love about WP-7 though:
1. Phone get updates on time directly from Microsoft (no carrier bullsh#t)
2. Netflix app
3. Simplistic OS and very smooth

I tried windows 7 htc surround at the store and I didn't really like it... I'm sure I'd have fun with more use but honestly android is a tinkerers delight. I liked my iphone and I loved my milestone and like wise my n1. But I think we can all agree that smart phones in general are crazy these days. Having internet access at all times has made my life information enriched. Entertained 247 lol
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Current nexus one user. I owned a htc 7 mozart for a week.
I tried to use it as my primary phone. While it is usable, it is severely crippling to use if you are a pacific-asia guy. There is basically little to no support to input my prefered language onto the phone.
However, I do miss the following after selling my mozart:
1. Web browsing is smooth comparing to android. But you trade it with flash for now.
2. Mozart had much better touchscreen experience than nexus one.
3. Xbox live games, not a lot, but i do enjoy a few of them.
But wp7 had issues with me outside of localization:
1. My msn account and xbox live account is the same. And using it as my primary live account will screw up the contact list.
2. Shortage of useful apps for me.
3. Poor battery life for my mozart.
That sums it up. Hope you enjoy your hd7

Okay I have used a Nexus One as my daily device then went back to my hd2 with gingerbread, then WP7 came out and I've been using it ever since, I love it there are some things I miss like WiFi tethering but thats why I have dual boot, just for those times when I need to tether to my ipad, all three major os(IOS, Android, WP7) have there positives and negatives, my opinion is that WP7 is a mixture of IOS and Android

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lmfao the android fan boys never cease to amaze me even more so then the apple fanboys!
As a dual user of android and wp7
you will definitely enjoy the experience
with your HD7. I love mine!
It is a much better overall experience than Android
1)No lag...Aside from the game(but even then it's not that bad)
2)Overall UI is more attractive and Fun...No gimmicks such as live wallpapers, No need to download Launcher Pro, ADW GO launcher etc.
3)Games are so much fun to play especially with the X-box live integration and Kinect will soon be coming to Wp7
4)Netflix is wonderful
5)Email/SMS is seamless and the keyboard is definitely a beast
6)Social Networking intergration--Aside from Blur, this is definitely a Wp7 strength...Even sense sucks with this
LMAO you will lose the endless hacking, flashing roms, overclocking and customization that people brag about with Android.
Also, you don't with Windows phone 7 the updates will be a lot better vs waiting around on Android and Manufacturers and Carriers
There are like 10,000 apps in the marketplace vs Androids 100,000 but then when you take in account the crap apps of Android(80%) and that Windows market place gains 2000 apps every 2 weeks...This soon will be a moot point
No 4g just yet
No ffc
No NFC
(Pretty much stuff you didnt have with the Nexus to begin with)
LMAO in all actuality, I don't see too much strengths in android! Enjoy and I hope to see you in the HD7 forums
Multi-tasking is lacking...For now. However, the update coming shortly provides a Web-os like experience which
mutli-tasks and performs much better than Android and IOS way of multi-tasking. Even without multi-tasking, apps
come back on quick
Oh, and I am typing this on my Android device
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Bill gates alert lol
Hd7 sucks did u hear about the update that bricked loads of phones today wm7 ftw lmfao

so i picked up a galaxy s2 today.

found someone who needed 2 phones for their one so I traded them 2 garminfones for their galaxy s 2, I gotta say, I don't know if it's because the device is way overhyped on here or because I've just been spoiled by wp7 but this feels pretty choppy. I was told that it was just as smooth if not smoother than wp7 and upon using it all I can think is "all that power for this" paired with the terrible Samsung UI, the games which while numerous don't seem as high quality as other oses, and the keyboard I was pretty disappointed, I thought I might use it for a week and try to get used to it and dual wield it with my dvp but I just can't, its going in the phone drawer to only see the light of day when I'm developing. Honestly it doesn't seem much smoother than my dell streak that I have been using for dev purposes.

Says the self-proclaimed Galaxy S hater.

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Says the self-proclaimed Galaxy S hater.
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with good reason, again I hope these are just to increase post count because your statements bring absolutely nothing else to the table.

Dude, the phone is so customizable. Do a full wipe and flash it with Cognition 1.31. Add Chainfire 3D. Add a new keyboard. Quit complaining.

And in other news, i picked up a Galaxy SII yesterday and loving it. Much smoother than WP7 in my opinion and nicer than iOS.
We all have different likes.

Wow, after years, finally felt the need to put somebody on Ignore here on XDA. Congrats, you Metrosexual tool.

kbiz90 said:
Dude, the phone is so customizable. Do a full wipe and flash it with Cognition 1.31. Add Chainfire 3D. Add a new keyboard. Quit complaining.
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you mean I can spend hours finding and downloading a bunch of files to void warranty and have a chance to kill my phone just to make a device that's pretty overpowered as is usable? It doesn't matter what UI replacement you toss on there, android has yet to throw together a UI replacement that's worth the effort. I understand this is xda devs and I have 6 apps on the marketplace but those are apps to improve the phone. Why should I have to download apps and different boot images and a million other things just to make one of the most powerful phones readily available useful?

Yes i think you have, i had a ZTE blade before i had the S2 and the s2 is way better for me than the Blade.

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found someone who needed 2 phones for their one so I traded them 2 garminfones for their galaxy s 2, I gotta say, I don't know if it's because the device is way overhyped on here or because I've just been spoiled by wp7 but this feels pretty choppy. I was told that it was just as smooth if not smoother than wp7 and upon using it all I can think is "all that power for this" paired with the terrible Samsung UI, the games which while numerous don't seem as high quality as other oses, and the keyboard I was pretty disappointed, I thought I might use it for a week and try to get used to it and dual wield it with my dvp but I just can't, its going in the phone drawer to only see the light of day when I'm developing. Honestly it doesn't seem much smoother than my dell streak that I have been using for dev purposes.
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Good for you, maybe you should wait for the WP7 Samsung Galaxy SII. Or maybe not, if you hate Samsung phones

z33dev33l said:
found someone who needed 2 phones for their one so I traded them 2 garminfones for their galaxy s 2, I gotta say, I don't know if it's because the device is way overhyped on here or because I've just been spoiled by wp7 but this feels pretty choppy. I was told that it was just as smooth if not smoother than wp7 and upon using it all I can think is "all that power for this" paired with the terrible Samsung UI, the games which while numerous don't seem as high quality as other oses, and the keyboard I was pretty disappointed, I thought I might use it for a week and try to get used to it and dual wield it with my dvp but I just can't, its going in the phone drawer to only see the light of day when I'm developing. Honestly it doesn't seem much smoother than my dell streak that I have been using for dev purposes.
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So here's how I see it. You're watching all the press coverage and reading all the outstanding reviews of the SGS2 and that it and Samsung are setting worldwide sales records. There you sit on T-Mobile, a carrier about to be made to look like the scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz using your single-core WP7 phone that has a whopping 6% worldwide marketshare. So you're pissed, envious, and feeling a bit stupid for your decision.
You decide to come here and post a bunch of stuff that no one's complained about on the phone before just to get a rise out of those on this forum for sport and to make yourself feel better. Your "I hate Samsung" signature's a nice touch.
Sad, very sad.

Your SGSII only sees daylight when developing....
So you do your developing during the day then??? Amazing.
I came from windows mobile phones. Did not want to walk away from that -because I was afraid I was going to mis my fav. apps- But I bought the SGSII.
If I would have known the SGSII was SO much faster, and SO many fantastic apps exist for Android, I would have bought one sooner.
I can't see how a WP could beat the SGSII. In any respect. Ever.

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you mean I can spend hours finding and downloading a bunch of files to void warranty and have a chance to kill my phone just to make a device that's pretty overpowered as is usable?
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Yes. You've got a over one thousand posts. Sounds like you've spent many hours here already.
I'm tellin' ya. A customized SGS2 is a piece of art.

I used a lot of phones all different kinds from symbian to wp to android. I must say the fastest phone i ever had was the SGII. Normally i flash all different ROMS and keep playing with the OS. But this wasn't necessary for the SGII. I'm on stock and it works perfect.
I never liked Samsung phones with their own OS but android made me wanna try it and.. I'm loving it. It's a fast phone deal with it.
Till you have a serious issue don't come here complaining about something that no one has. If you have beef with Android go get a WP phone, If I where you i would sell the SGII while it's hot

@OP
I would love to take your sgs2 off your hands for you
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I'm pretty sure you sold your kidney to get it and that's why you're so pissed

I have no reason to come in trolling. I am more than happy with wp7 and love Samsung phones. My signature was listed as such when the original string of galaxy s devices came out and I got the vibrant. That was a joke of a phone and I i opted for the captivate which had the back door mechanism fall off the tracks after about 4 hours of use. Windows phone 7 is the only OS for me now, the UI is seamless across all devices, i don't have to fear that i won't be receiving the next update (got 5 so far), and it syncs with everything that's important to me without flaw. I can't wait for the next Samsung wp7 device though I'll be hard pressed to ditch the dell venue pros keyboard. Of course no one here complains of the speed issues, the vast majority who own it came from other android devices, windows mobile, or Symbian. Compared to all of those its extremely fast.
oh, and commodoor, windows mobile is not equal to windows phone. Just clarifying as i reviewed your rather extensive phone history.
All in all the phone is astounding, but it's kinda like putting windows 95 on a brand new PC, sure it functions and you can perhaps even tweak it to run somewhat fast... But it's not going to be windows 7 or windows 8

Been a Nokia Fan ever since I started Buying phones and then came Android and bought my HTC Hero and Boy did I become a FLASH JUNKIE ( still have it )
And Then Heard about WP7 and HTC having wooed me with Hero went and Got my self a HTC HD7 and I loved its simplicity ( I HAVE a IPOD TOUCH so didnt really fancy going for a IPHONE , thought It was too easy compared to Android)
ALthough I loved a lot of the things the WP7 bought, BING MAPS and NO FLASH got the better of me and off I went to get the SGS2 and give samsung a go and Me was happy again.
The Most thing I like about Samsung is getting Firmware over ODIN and thats why I still haven't rooted it.
But now MS having released MANGO for WP7 I feel love towards WP7 again and having been a NOKIA FAN I will definately buy a NOKIA WP7.
But to sum it All I love ANDROID cause of FLASH and the customisation it offers and that you dont have to rely on carriers for your updates.

z33dev33l said:
I have no reason to come in trolling. I am more than happy with wp7 and love Samsung phones. My signature was listed as such when the original string of galaxy s devices came out and I got the vibrant. That was a joke of a phone and I i opted for the captivate which had the back door mechanism fall off the tracks after about 4 hours of use. Windows phone 7 is the only OS for me now, the UI is seamless across all devices, i don't have to fear that i won't be receiving the next update (got 5 so far), and it syncs with everything that's important to me without flaw. I can't wait for the next Samsung wp7 device though I'll be hard pressed to ditch the dell venue pros keyboard. Of course no one here complains of the speed issues, the vast majority who own it came from other android devices, windows mobile, or Symbian. Compared to all of those its extremely fast.
oh, and commodoor, windows mobile is not equal to windows phone. Just clarifying as i reviewed your rather extensive phone history.
All in all the phone is astounding, but it's kinda like putting windows 95 on a brand new PC, sure it functions and you can perhaps even tweak it to run somewhat fast... But it's not going to be windows 7 or windows 8
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Nothing like putting windows 95 on a new pc, maybe good ol' XP though, I'll give you that.

I must say, I've missed flash only twice since I ditched android but I only really used it for videos I played in browser (I don't visit many flash sites) so it didn't hurt too bad. Then the videos in mango greatly improved in quality so now I can watch any random video mostly in HD and eh... Nothing I i really miss about android. I always kept my themes minimal anyway.

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I know that they are different.
What i understand is that you are afraid of fragmentation, most people are. I know where you getting at but i must say it's not that worse as one year ago. I know Hero was stuck at Android 1,5 for a looong time.
I love plain android i used it for a long time with cyanogenmod. But the TW isn't that heavily modded like the sense on HTC phones. Sense is really heavy btw. I didn't like the new metro look of the WP but that makes the choice so great.
So android gives you the choice to choose your own phone. Choose what you, that's great.
want plain android go for nexus series
want a socially integrated phone go for sense
someting between go for samsung
I'm not worried that we have to wait long for updates on Galaxy.

Htc one or iPhone 5?

Hello all, I recently upgraded from iPhone 4 to the new htc one. Was abut step for me as flinging from ios to android is so different. I have to say android will take some getting used to.
Which brings me to my dilemma, I'm sending my htc one back, not because I hate the phone,its a great phone but because I'm cancelling my grade with orange due to poor service. I'm going to take a new contact out with O2. With either iPhone 5 or htc one.
Ŵhats all your opinions on it? I researched the htc for months before it came out and am very impressed.except no home button. I'm used to iPhone, so do I go back to what I know or go for the htc???

Without a doubt the htc one

jutley said:
Without a doubt the htc one
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Thanks for the reply,but can you give me some reasons why?

I'd rather a Galaxy S2 than an iPhone 5! Reason? Android > iOS

There are lots of reasons to keep with both in my opinion:
iPhone for;
Excellent build quality
You know what you are getting re: iOS
Apps will always work, for example skygo app
Any problems within first year and apple will swap it in store
Excellent screen
iPhone against:
Scratches easily
Boring OS
Poor battery on heavy use
HTC for:
Good build quality (apart from problems with the gap etc) although that may not bother you
Bigger screen (you might prefer a smaller screen)
Bigger battery
Ability to modify OS
HTC against:
Some apps don't work (see above)
Any problems with phone and you have to send it off (I would imagine)
Think that's all I can think of at the mo bit it's a starting point

Time for some change buddy, I'll vote for HTC One, due to the number of customizations and openness Android has
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mackenzie121 said:
Thanks for the reply,but can you give me some reasons why?
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Yes sure I can here you go
http://www.todaysiphone.com/2013/02/htc-one-vs-iphone-5-spec-sheet-comparison/

htc one
Its a matter of personal taste..
Ios vs android...
But for me it will be the htc one..
I had the iphone 4 the htc hd2 the samsung galaxy 3..
The htc one will have a better screen and better sound..
Both are great phones...

mackenzie121 said:
Hello all, I recently upgraded from iPhone 4 to the new htc one. Was abut step for me as flinging from ios to android is so different. I have to say android will take some getting used to.
Which brings me to my dilemma, I'm sending my htc one back, not because I hate the phone,its a great phone but because I'm cancelling my grade with orange due to poor service. I'm going to take a new contact out with O2. With either iPhone 5 or htc one.
Ŵhats all your opinions on it? I researched the htc for months before it came out and am very impressed.except no home button. I'm used to iPhone, so do I go back to what I know or go for the htc???
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Mate, HTC is a winner and not because its HTC, its due to Sense and Android. You could do so much with Android, apps, customisation etc which you don't with Apple. Looking at the specs HTC is far superior than Apple. Think about it.. its the best phone in the market at the moment. Apple will bring 5s but I don't expect wonders from it..

I wouldn't say without a doubt.
Both are premium phones, HTC One is more durable than iPhone 5. Most significant difference in my opinion is the screen size. One is much bigger, if you like bigger screen, then you should keep it. After that second important difference is hardware. HTC One is a really powerful device. If you like gaming it'd be really nice for you. And also with android you can customize almost everything. And what some iphone users say is not true, android is customer friendly too. I mean, this is a phone not a NASA computer. Cameras are equal, there's no more mindblowing differences between cameras these days. At least in between highend devices. You can find pretty much every app you liked to use in googleplaystore just like apple store. I personally tried HTC One, Boomsound and Zoe are GREAT features. Before trying I thought they are like just little details but they are not, they are gorgeous, they are fun and they are unique.
I liked using the best phone, I don't care about any brand or any operating system ios or android. And in my opinion, for now HTC One is a great looking, powerful device. It'll look classy, it'll work good.

For me the iphone is more like a very expensive feature phone than a real smartphone but even if IOS were like android and apple products would be the best I would never ever buy an apple product simply because I think apple is an evil company the way they abuse the patent system to fight their competitors rather than letting the consumers decide.

OP, are the things you have to get used to on the HTC One dealbreakers for you?
Lol of course if you ask on an HTC One forum everyone's gonna say keep the One. However, Android's not for everyone and if you feel more comfortable back on iOs, then go for it.
Granted I still think the iphone 5 still probably has one of the best cameras. Don't get me wrong, I think the One is a helluva sexy phone but not too impressed at how some of the pics look when cropped at 100%... (still not gonna stop me from getting it tho.. haha, takes better pics than my nexus 4)

mackenzie121 said:
Hello all, I recently upgraded from iPhone 4 to the new htc one. Was abut step for me as flinging from ios to android is so different. I have to say android will take some getting used to.
Which brings me to my dilemma, I'm sending my htc one back, not because I hate the phone,its a great phone but because I'm cancelling my grade with orange due to poor service. I'm going to take a new contact out with O2. With either iPhone 5 or htc one.
Ŵhats all your opinions on it? I researched the htc for months before it came out and am very impressed.except no home button. I'm used to iPhone, so do I go back to what I know or go for the htc???
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Htc one because of ios
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When you used an iPhone you'll need 3 days to know how to use it and after that you just downloading stuff, listen musics, texting, social media stuff'ing and just that.
When you using an android based smartphone.. you'll need longer time to understand how its work, but when you do, you'll be able to modified your phone as you like, based on ROM or just theming it as you like, more longer you trying to understand it, you'll have lot of knowledge about it.. you gonna be smartguy for your smartphone, at least that happen to me, i dont even get it what is this android phone before but after i search a lot about it in this Portal, now i can play with it based on my taste.
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Don't scare him. He does not need roms or anything to use android. He could learn if he likes in future.

I don't think you need the forums help. You have owned a iPhone 4 and a HTC one. I can tell you from experience that the iPhone 5 won't feel much different to the iPhone 4 after your first few days. The iPhone 5 is lovely hardware but not different enough to feel like an upgrade. This is just because the software is unchanged. I would suggest you'll be hankering for a change after the first week of the iPhone 5.
I would go for the One. If nothing else you'll appreciate the change. IOS is rather stagnant.
Better speaker, camera, screen, hardware build is on par. Android is more customisable. Only reason to stay is if your very invested in the ecosystem.
Hope you make the right decision.
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nikolasanggoro said:
When you used an iPhone you'll need 3 days to know how to use it and after that you just downloading stuff, listen musics, texting, social media stuff'ing and just that.
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I knew ios before android (from an iphone 3gs) but I had a much harder time trying to figure it out than my first android (desire with froyo), tethering, putting some files or music on the device, wifi hotspot, enabling/disabling wifi sync, gps bluetooth etc, updating all are much simpler on android

Go with the iPhone and enjoy the beautiful iOS. Android is a fugly scam.

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I knew ios before android (from an iphone 3gs) but I had a much harder time trying to figure it out than my first android (desire with froyo), tethering, putting some files or music on the device, wifi hotspot, enabling/disabling wifi sync, gps bluetooth etc, updating all are much simpler on android
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Thats not what i meant... not how to use it, but how to, ahh never mind
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Coming from ios im sure youre not into modding and you being on the htc one forum would obviously give you a one sided opinion and the latter if you asked one a ios forum.
So i'll give you an unbiased opinion although i am a ios hater i'll try to be fair.
Feature wise ill go with the htc one. Its packed up with great features compared to iphone nobody cant deny it.
Camera ill go with iphone 5.
Apps and games ill go with iphone 5.
So as an average user i really recommend iphone 5. Its way alot more stable than android.
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