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Hi guys - I've been waiting on the Magic to arrive for quite to aus and now that its about to I've just read about being unable to install apps to the SD card. I note that its possible with some hacks but I imagine this might be a pain in the ass.
So: Am I likely to run into problems with the 512meg internal storage? Would it be wiser that I wait for something with more internal storage (I7500 for instance)? I imagine it could be messy if I wanted to install a local encyclopedia for instance or, more likely, large medical resources, one of which for WinMo is over a gig.
Also a little worried about all this variation between included and available apps between carriers. How easy is it to switch to the original HTC build? Does that break the marketplace?
Thanks!
Yea this is to stop piracy I think.
I reckon they will make some changes in the future to allow us to install programs onto the SD card but not the whole thing so this way people cant just copy it from the SD and have a functioning version of the app. The G2 has 512mb internal as apposed to the g1 with 128mb (i think). This is a lot more but still not enough IMO. I think they should have bumped it up to 2gb or at least 1gb considering it will be the only place we can install applications (well at least for now).
I plan to get this phone anyway and hope that the 512mb manages to be enough for most stuff. And if its not I'll just prey for Google to make some changes.
From my reading it looks like apps-on-sd support is still quite a way down on google's agenda, which is unfortunate. Because of this I was considering waiting for the Samsung Galaxy which has an 8 gig harddrive but then was put off by the 128mb ram it has. We have such an odd constellation of design decisions being made. Wish there was more info available on aussie release dates on the "18 to 20" android phones google expects to be released this year.
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From my reading it looks like apps-on-sd support is still quite a way down on google's agenda, which is unfortunate. Because of this I was considering waiting for the Samsung Galaxy which has an 8 gig harddrive but then was put off by the 128mb ram it has. We have such an odd constellation of design decisions being made. Wish there was more info available on aussie release dates on the "18 to 20" android phones google expects to be released this year.
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We're already half way through the year and only about 3 have come out so that means they got over 20 left for the rest of the year lol. I really don't know whether to just get the Magic now.
Yeah I'm really torn too - the decision between a crippled vodafone edition and 3 plan which won't include roaming is a difficult choice. I might just have to wait.. I want it so much too though! bah.
Well - the HTC Hero and Lancaster are rumored to be getting announced soon at an upcoming HTC event in the UK - though I doubt we'll find out any information about Aussie releases there.
Most of these programs are really small, like less than 1MB, at least what I've seen, so there should be room for lots of apps. I haven't installed to many myself at the moment because I have found anything I want yet. But don't some apps use data? For example, if you were to download an encyclopedia, its just basically a shortcut to quickly look up something using data? I think that's how an app on this device should be since I have 6GB worth of data. I understand it might be an inconvience for some people who go out of the country and would have to pay crazy roaming charges. I live in Canada btw. Correct me if I am wrong about the apps using data.
unfortunately, coverage and the amount of data that you get in australia is not as great.... we need offline program support....
The is unfortunate, I just downloaded quickpedia onto my phone which is onyl 181kb, but like I said, it uses data to search your requests. Not sure if there are any apps that does not use data from the andriod market.
Maybe the whole deal with the limited memory is related to Google (and as a consequence Android) being net-centric, meaning they want apps to download their data from the net as much as possible.
An ideal Android app (think Google Maps) would be not much more than a user-interface and a tiny application layer that ferries data to and from the net, like the ideal Google app (think Gmail) is just a Webpage (with all the javascript stuff in it) in a browser window that ferries data to and from Google.
Yeah the web-centricism is great and mitigates the problem somewhat - I suppose the real trouble is that the carriers offering the Magic in australia are 3 and Vodafone - Voda obviously has the crippled version so I want the HTC version released by 3.. but the 3 network is kind of weak and often roams on Telstra where the rates are higher. That would be fine if it was included in the cap and just eat through the credit faster but roaming charges are on top of the cap. So if I pay $99, whenever I jump on roaming it'll all be additional. This would be incredible frustrating. Hmm.. I think I'll wait till July and wait for feedback and news on other handsets. Although I imagine it'd be mitigated by putting big E-books in the SD...
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Yeah the web-centricism is great and mitigates the problem somewhat - I suppose the real trouble is that the carriers offering the Magic in australia are 3 and Vodafone - Voda obviously has the crippled version so I want the HTC version released by 3.. but the 3 network is kind of weak and often roams on Telstra where the rates are higher. That would be fine if it was included in the cap and just eat through the credit faster but roaming charges are on top of the cap. So if I pay $99, whenever I jump on roaming it'll all be additional. This would be incredible frustrating. Hmm.. I think I'll wait till July and wait for feedback and news on other handsets. Although I imagine it'd be mitigated by putting big E-books in the SD...
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I'm in the same boat as you, 3 are being dogs about roaming. And where I live is a roaming area.
Anything about 3 offering it outright? Then I can chunk in my Telstra SIM...
I'm glad you all see my reply in a positive light, actually I meant it to have a slightly sarcastic undertone (hail the Google Empire and such ).
If implemented well, having limited memory but good performance networking would be a good compromise as far as consumer price (fewer and cheaper electronics parts), battery life (less memory = less power drain) and sync advantages (centralized storage in a datacenter: access and sync anywhere, Web access, enterprise-class backup strategy, etc.).
Now if only the carriers would start lowering their data rates...
Maybe by caching app data like Google Maps, Wikipedia, popular websites and such on their own servers instead of sucking it down a large pipe, carriers could lower rates for accessing stuff like that.
Imagine having a very cheap, multi-Terabyte harddrive in your phone to store your encyclopedias, dictionaries etc. (with no need to manually sync or back it up to mountains of DVD's or other harddrives everytime), while still having your really private stuff on SD card.
(whoa, I'm starting to sound like a Google rep )
hah I wish I could get 512 megs... the G1 only has 96 megs of internal memory, talk about being cramped, with 512 you'll have excessive amounts of storage and you can just run apps2sd since it's android
Sounds like paradise miki. Don't worry, I'm obsessed with cloud computing too. My entire life lives in Zoho.com (awesome web-app suite), gmail and rememberthemilk. haha yesterday I went to bed thinking that I'll wait till something comes on another carrier.. then woke up this morning thinking I'll just bite the bullet and buy it on 3
Damn the sex appeal of this phone. I know a lot of people love the I7500 Galaxy but I really don't.. and it has less ram too (128)..
rahux said:
Sounds like paradise miki. Don't worry, I'm obsessed with cloud computing too. My entire life lives in Zoho.com (awesome web-app suite), gmail and rememberthemilk. haha yesterday I went to bed thinking that I'll wait till something comes on another carrier.. then woke up this morning thinking I'll just bite the bullet and buy it on 3
Damn the sex appeal of this phone. I know a lot of people love the I7500 Galaxy but I really don't.. and it has less ram too (128)..
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Agreed, mine is black absolutely love it. Pure sex
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I'm glad you all see my reply in a positive light, actually I meant it to have a slightly sarcastic undertone (hail the Google Empire and such ).
If implemented well, having limited memory but good performance networking would be a good compromise as far as consumer price (fewer and cheaper electronics parts), battery life (less memory = less power drain) and sync advantages (centralized storage in a datacenter: access and sync anywhere, Web access, enterprise-class backup strategy, etc.).
Now if only the carriers would start lowering their data rates...
Maybe by caching app data like Google Maps, Wikipedia, popular websites and such on their own servers instead of sucking it down a large pipe, carriers could lower rates for accessing stuff like that.
Imagine having a very cheap, multi-Terabyte harddrive in your phone to store your encyclopedias, dictionaries etc. (with no need to manually sync or back it up to mountains of DVD's or other harddrives everytime), while still having your really private stuff on SD card.
(whoa, I'm starting to sound like a Google rep )
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That does sound pretty sweet but I think I would still prefer to have the ability to have certain things like my apps saved onto my phone. But then again, as long as it would be error free and fast to download the data I wouldn't mind so much.
Yeah, there are a couple of things I'd definitely want to access locally and one of them is a solid GPS program. Data-centricism is all well and good but if you're travelling (both in rural Australia and overseas), roaming charges would be too high to make web-based GPS navigation feasible. Similarly with a translation app.
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Yeah, there are a couple of things I'd definitely want to access locally and one of them is a solid GPS program. Data-centricism is all well and good but if you're travelling (both in rural Australia and overseas), roaming charges would be too high to make web-based GPS navigation feasible. Similarly with a translation app.
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I agree a data free GPS program definitely interests me. Problem is who is gonna develop one knowing that Android wont run(natively) Apps from SD??
You never know.. TomTom just released a version for the iPhone I believe (granted it took them a hell of a long time to get to it).. and some of the WinMo mapping software are comparatively small - destinator is ~80megs with Aussie maps which isn't tooooooo bad to fit on the Magic.
Fingers crossed
What is the diff between the voda and 3? I mean I'm with Voda, so wat u mean 'crippled'.. I'm thinking on getting this by june 30 to get the 3mths free access..
Well out of curiosity before android where did most of you come from? I myself previously had windows and sidekick devices. I want to know why you made the change if you guys want to discuss it and what you miss about your former platform... For example, Blackberry users might miss all the push email ... I have a friend who has a blackberry and he seems to think he cannot have a good experience with android because it doesn't automatically support push for other email accounts... any one went through the same thing?
Well you can tell your friedn that android does support push now.
I used to be on the old Symbian 60 platform on Nokia smart phones, Nokia N-Gage QD to be exact. That is where my lust for smart phones kicked off.
Before Android I used to be a smartphone virgin. I always went with whatever "free" (read: heavily subsidized) handset the carrier was offering with the 2-year subscriptions. Once I had a chance to play with a co-worker's G1, I knew what my next phone would be.
As fate would have it my crappy flip-phone died a few months back. I went to a local retailer, shelled out the full $400 for an unlocked G1, added the $15 basic data plan to my AT&T account, and never looked back.
Came from...
Sanyos
Audiovox9800(best phone verizon EVER had)
Treo 600
Treo 650
BB
Ocean(Used to work at Helio)
Shadow(had for 2 days!! hate that keyboard!!!)
7Dashes(Kept screwing up)
Wing
My baby(G1)
lame phones!
Well to be honest the g1 is my first smart phone. B4 that I had mid line phones. U know not cheap but not expensive. I wanted an iPhone but when I say the promo site for it I reserved it for the partial discount price. But as fate would have it I had to cancel. See I have a oil heater at home and we all know its expensive to fill up. So I was sad for a bit but after seeing 2 of my friends with the g1 I said wth and ordered it again. And this time tmo gave me the full discount because I have been a costomer for over 8 years! When I got it I fell in love. **** the iphone. LONG LIVE ANDROID!
first smartphone was
Blackberry pearl 8100 tmobile(scroll ball problems)
tmobile wing(water damage)
tmobile shadow(cracked screen)
unlocked 8525(screen went white)
unlocked tilt (8925) with duttythroy rom loaded up(sold it for 150 and walked back into the mall and said i wanted to upgrade to g1 =)
and now g1 with 2.7.3 jachero.
when i had my tilt, i missed the blackberry push email and the trackball.dpad gets annoying at times.
but i love the skyfire browser and vtap on windowsmobile.. vtap on android kinda blows since it only looking up youtube vids.. and flash content on the skyfire browser was a beaut. i wish the hero rom flash capabilities could compare to skyfire =(
The T-Mobile Shadow. The Original, not that new one.
This is the "friend" he spoke off on the first post..
This is the real issue down here: read what I wrote below.
I'm not sick of BlackBerry (BB). I love the whole package.
But I would like to have other options and recently I've noticed that WinMo/Android and basically no other operating system comes with the whole package as well integrated as a BB. And this is bothersome to me because at this rate I'm stuck with BB.
Guys is it possible to have at least 5 email accounts setup on a Android device (or WinMo)? Will it work as good as my BB does (AKA. Push E-mail)?
If not then what steps can I take to acquire said features (on an Android or WinMo device)? I'm willing to pay a MAX monthly fee of $30 if I have to. Which is what I'm actually paying BB at the moment for the whole "BlackBerry" thing.
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Well out of curiosity before android where did most of you come from? I myself previously had windows and sidekick devices. I want to know why you made the change if you guys want to discuss it and what you miss about your former platform... For example, Blackberry users might miss all the push email ... I have a friend who has a blackberry and he seems to think he cannot have a good experience with android because it doesn't automatically support push for other email accounts... any one went through the same thing?
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By the way I don't think I won't have a good experience with Android. I've seen what the OS and UI behave like. I like it.
Read my post above and U'll understand what this is about. It's about me becoming so organized that I refuse to leave this unless I'm 100% sure there is a equal substitute in the platform I'm going to.
went from
some random samsung phone (one of those really ghetto clamshell ones that refuse to break)
to a nokia 6265, which was a great phone, but it got stolen
to a moto krzr red, the only one that was impossible to hack T.T
to a samsung sgh-d807, which i found on the ground in the snow after my krzr's screen cracked,
to my rogers htc dream
Chahk said:
Before Android I used to be a smartphone virgin. I always went with whatever "free" (read: heavily subsidized) handset the carrier was offering with the 2-year subscriptions. Once I had a chance to play with a co-worker's G1, I knew what my next phone would be.
As fate would have it my crappy flip-phone died a few months back. I went to a local retailer, shelled out the full $400 for an unlocked G1, added the $15 basic data plan to my AT&T account, and never looked back.
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This, minus the unlocked G1/ATT. Got it for my birthday in November.
first I had random samsungs and lg's just for the camera's and cool ringtones.
moved to an audiovox smt 5600( i think it was actually an Htc) coolest cheap phone ever!
samsung black jack... sucked couldnt even watch movies on it.
2g iphone ..no mms and no video recorder mode until modded. I hated the fact that apple had so much control.
Now loving the G1
Well I've been through several smartphones, lets see: 1) nokia 3620 2) htc c500 3) htc c600 4) htc dream. Definitely like android more than winmo or s60. I've also played with a few blackberry pearls and detested them, reminds me of the crappy symbian interface without the flexibility. As far as the gentleman wondering about push email on android. Set the gmail account to retrieve emails from your other accounts via pop, if you wish it can leave them on the other mail servers or delete them. Once the mail shows up in gmail it will push to your phone.
Early motorola phone (Dont remember I was 18 with money and influenced by a mall guy ) I never got my free case for it.
Nokia device (liked it cause of the big screen on the outside and could have pics there)
Motorola RAZR V3 Miami Ink Edition (one with dragon on it) I liked this phone and it was a true trooper. A lot of people were having issues with it being so fragile but I beat mine up and it took it with a passion.
And finally my G1. Actually the real reason I wanted it was cause of the Open Source that it featured but I am sure that I was not the only one out there. I will say this I wanted this phone cause I do webdesign and I figured that I could be different from the whole BB society. My only pep peeve is the kids that get the phone for the trend factor and not the modding factor but I guess thats just me
Came from the BB pearl. Greatest choice I've ever made other then beer.
my smart phone life started on a Nokia 6682, but i quickly upgraded to an 8525, and then the tilt the day it camem out. i can't stand to have a non-touch screen phone anymore so i went to t-mo and got the G1, bit of a downgrade on my service as now i only have EDGE but hopefully i can get back to 3G soon. the only way to get me to even look at a phone is to tell me it has a touchscreen and a full hardware qwerty keyboard, i don't care if it's a 4-row or 5-row, but i am liking the keyboard on this phone
I've only had 3 cell phones in my life so far, my first cell phone was the Sanyo SCP-8200 in silver, my second was the Nokia 5610 in white and now I have my very first smart phone...the T-Mobile G1 in white. I made the change because I saw potential in the G1 to be the best and I don't usually ride the band wagon because it's new and everybody's getting it but if it's official and exclusive like the G1 then I'm riding it to the mothasucking wheels fall off but what I do miss from my former cell phones was camera flash.
First phone was a skytel on nextel, then had a grayscale blue moto with a flip up keyboard (forget the name), then v3, v3i, v8 (or something like that merlot slide phone similar to v9), g1.
Before android i had a windows phone the shadow to be exact the original one not that new round one before that i was a samsung fan
I'm thinking about getting the Aria.. can anyone tell me any downsides to the Aria? Is PDAnet in the marketplace? The one at the ATT store had it removed. I'm probably just going to root it.. is it possible to root it and revert back to ATT's firmware if I need to?
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I'm thinking about getting the Aria.. can anyone tell me any downsides to the Aria? Is PDAnet in the marketplace? The one at the ATT store had it removed. I'm probably just going to root it.. is it possible to root it and revert back to ATT's firmware if I need to?
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Lack of keyboard and small on screen keyboard
Apart from that I have NO complaints.
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I'm thinking about getting the Aria.. can anyone tell me any downsides to the Aria? Is PDAnet in the marketplace? The one at the ATT store had it removed. I'm probably just going to root it.. is it possible to root it and revert back to ATT's firmware if I need to?
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You will be able to revert back to the original AT&T firmware; HTC already has the original shipped ROM on their support site for the Aria.
As for downsides, what kind of phone do you currently have? I upgraded to the Aria from a WM 6.5 Samsung Jack, so it is a bit smaller and has a virtual keyboard instead of a physical keyboard. The battery life on the Aria is on par with Jack. Yesterday was my first full day with in on the job and by 10PM the battery gauge showed about 40%.
As you mentioned, there are no tethering apps in the Android Market, so you would have to either side-load a tethering app using the Android SDK 'adb' utility or root the phone. So that it is the one thing that I am currently missing. If I go out of town and need to tether, I will just pull my SIM card and put it back in the Jack.
Regards,
Tom
MJennings said:
I'm thinking about getting the Aria.. can anyone tell me any downsides to the Aria? Is PDAnet in the marketplace? The one at the ATT store had it removed. I'm probably just going to root it.. is it possible to root it and revert back to ATT's firmware if I need to?
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The big worries I had before ordering it were that due to it's small screen, slower cpu and being on ATT, it might not get updates as quick as some other flagship android model ATT might put out, and that it's service life in terms of updates might be limited by the fact that it's a mid-lower range device.
I personally don't mind the 'unknown sources' lock so much simply because it's so easy to get around. I was kind of disappointed by the lack of live wallpapers, though I'm pretty sure there will be a way to hack them on later.
To be honest, I wanted to wait until after the iPhone release to order mine, simply to see if ATT would announce anything else. If you recall, they promised us 5 Android handsets by the end of H1 2010 (Motorola Backflip, Dell Aero, HTC Aria, and two other yet unknown HTC devices). Then I saw the Aria for $50 on Amazon with a contract extension and figured it wasn't worth the wait.
I got the phone.. it seems the phone is kinda quiet on normal and speaker phone, anyone else think so?
I have a Tilt that is a little beat up, but runs well for an old phone.
For the last month, I been looking to switch. Tilt2 sucked so my decision came down to Bold 9700. Then I saw the iPhone 3GS for $100. But I waited and got a chance to miss around with the Aria and for the 15 minutes of playing around with Android, I was very happy with the device.
So it looks like by Wednesday, I will have to make a decision. Bold 9700 is a sold phone, but I have never had a BB and have heard very mixed reviews. Plus, the fact that without a data plan the phone becomes very limited in terms of GPS, etc., that was a turn-off. I have never been too high on an iPhone, but the nice thing is, I could get unlimited data for $10 a month for it (connection). After the Tilt, the Aria's size is a big plus. I don't plan on getting a data and can get the phone for $45 without a contract extension.
So now it comes down to iPhone or Aria? Man, that Aria is sexy as heck! Do I make the leap? I have been looking the Aria forum and while I have a lot to learn about Android, I learned enough about flashing, etc. with the year I had the Tilt that I think with some reading and Q/A from the good folks at XDA, I can learn to take all the crap off of my Aria.
I have 24/7 wifi so no need for giving damn ATT an extra $15 a month.
So do I wait a little while to see what else comes out or dive into the Aria? I usually keep my phones for about 2-3 years. What's this about the Aria being a mid-range phone? I don't really play games, etc. on my phone other than the occasional Tetris or something on my commute. And from my interaction with the Aria, it was way faster than the Tilt.
I just upgraded from a Fuze (Energy Rom) to an Aria yesterday. I'm not a microsoft fanboy, but I'm a huge fan of the Zune / Zunepass (Best deal in music stores IMO) I've been trying to hold out for a windows mobile 7 phone, but then again who knows when one will be released. I recently played around with XANDROID on the fuze and fell in love with it. It runs my phone better than WM6.5 aside from the bugs and the 3 hr. battery life (im sure at some point xandroid will be usable but not yet) I was eligible for an extension but still 6 mo from being out of contract so I needed to stay with ATT. I thought about a droid milestone, nexus one, and did some searching for unlocked droid phones. I stopped in the store and tried out the aria and loved it. Ive avoided touch screen only phones for the fact that i like keyboards, until I realized I actually type faster with the aria on screen keyboard than with my Fuze. The phone is light. thin, and compact, but not too compact. The screeen is plenty big, and the touch screen is responsive. Its also extremely smooth, no noticeable lag in android. I recommend trying it out in the store to see what you think, if its durable I think it will prove to be a great phone for the price, it also looks fantastic.
The loudspeaker is a bit low and harsh sounding for music and no camera flash. Other than those things I can't really think of anything I don't like about my Aria. My battery life has been very good over moderate usage and call quality is solid. I haven't made any changes to dl 3rd party apps yet and I haven't really missed anything.
This phone is very fast and never lags on me. That's something I can't say for really any of the Smartphones I've had except for my 3gs.
I don't own the phone but the concerns i have are:
1) No camera flash
2) small screen
3) no BT voice command (from what i hear)
4) some reports that HTC sync is kind of buggy
So my first android device I bought was a mytouch3G a few days ago. I love it, but it's just a bit slow. I'm thinking about selling it and getting some cash to buy the N1. My question is, do you guys think this phone is worth getting right now? Or is there a better Android phone out there than this one? I'm NOT going to be using the T-Mobile data plan, btw. Is there anything coming out soon that will cause a price drop?
Thanks.
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The N1 is amazing, especially coming from something like the mytouch3G. The Nexus one (tmobile version) can be bought as a Dev phone currently from Google at the normal price ($529) plus a $25 developer activation fee. You certainly wont regret the N1 if you decide to get it.
Another good Tmobile phone is the Vibrant, in general it meets if not slightly beat the nexus one in many departments even without froyo's JIT. And you can get a Vibrant for a little less then the $550 you would pay for a Nexus One.
Of course both can be found on Craigslist or ebay at a huge degree of different prices also.
Nothing I can think of that would cause any major price drops in the near future. ALSO there is the new HSPA+ flagphone that will be out soon that I'm certainly interested in.
My advise is to look at the tmobile android lineup (curent and future) and see if you know of anyone or go to the store and see if you can test them and if you like them more then the mytouch.
-Cheers
Best phone ever best android experience as well
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To put this as objectively as possible coming from a n1 user. The nexus one is a nice phone if you're very into customizing, from my knowledge of android devices, it's the top for modding. However it all depends on what you're going to be doing on the phone. For example if you're going to be playing games that require multitouch (nova) then it does have an issue with its multitouch. To some that's not an issue cause they don't game to others it is. The other major issue that I see at least for me is the small internal storage space. 512mb, really google? That's just two of the issues that I would really liked to be different, they're the only real issues for me. An hdmi out would be nice, but I wouldn't use it that much i'm assuming so it's not a deal breaker for me, same thing with a front facing camera.
But then you have things like the trackball that's nice for notifications, the screen size is just right, it's powerful and everything AND it gets all the updates first! It has a flash, the camera is pretty good actually (even though I hate cell cameras).
The only device on T-mobile that I can see as being another option would be the samsung vibrant, especially if you plan to play games on it, since it doesn't have the multitouch issue, and the gpu is really powerful. Problems with the device for me is the lack of a flash for the vibrant.
As for is it worth it? Well that depends on if spending the money is worth it and if you're going to get another phone anyways, yes the n1 is a great phone if you can overlook the multitouch issue and the small internal storage space.
EDIT: one more issue that I have with the n1 is that the audio is kinda bad, the speakers are quiet, and the headphone's sound is also quiet. Just wish the sound could be up'ed more so that it's a reasonable sound quality. Just seems more quieter than other android phones that I've had.
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So my first android device I bought was a mytouch3G a few days ago. I love it, but it's just a bit slow. I'm thinking about selling it and getting some cash to buy the N1. My question is, do you guys think this phone is worth getting right now? Or is there a better Android phone out there than this one? I'm NOT going to be using the T-Mobile data plan, btw. Is there anything coming out soon that will cause a price drop?
Thanks.
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Either get the N1 right now, it's still an amazing phone, and I see NOTHING in market right now that I'd trade it for.
Or, wait several months for next gen to come out, something with an even stronger CPU, maybe even gingerbread around Christmas. And NO, it won't be called a Nexus Two.
Me, I'm wating for that second option. No smartphone/PDA on the market today appeals to me as an upgrade.
unfortunately price wont drop for a while, it's now a dev phone. but once you have it in ur hand, im sure ud feel the price was worth it. you can always sell the N1 too with if you dont like it. and if you're geek enough, have a flashing addiction of nightlies, constantly making trying out something new with ur phone, this should be it.
I was in your same position. I got the My Touch 3g 1.2. And it was awesome, but I read somewhere that it was like a mini Nexus One and that made me more curious. I sold the phone soon after, and found a Nexus One, and it really is an incredible device, with an operating system built and tested specially or it (FRF91). The one downside is that you have to worry about the Nexus One a bit more. When my ipod is dead, the MT3G was ok for the gym, but not the N1. It has actually forced me to take better care of my phone, and other devices in general. It was a good decision, for sure.
Most of the upcoming Android phones seem to be rebuilt versions of this phone, and the N1 is still expected to get most updates, app add-ons and functions first. All dual core processor phones are still a long way away and are only rumored devices. If you are extremely patient you could wait it out, or just buy the N1 and sell it in a year.
One item on the list "to consider" might be - Nexus will be the 1st existing device to get Gingerbread update, probably by a considerable time margin.
If you're not gonna use data, I wouldn't drop money on a nexus one or a top of the line smartphone for that matter.
dooo it! my touch3g is old and slow!!!!
Buying a Nexus One for $554 plus tax without a data plan would be absolute and downright insanity.
Wouldn't do it without a data plan!
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If you're not gonna use data, I wouldn't drop money on a nexus one or a top of the line smartphone for that matter.
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galaxys said:
Wouldn't do it without a data plan!
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Haha, why not? I'm surrounded by WiFi literally EVERYWHERE. Is it because this phone limits what you can do on it without the data plan, like what BlackBerry does? I know with BB, you can't use certain apps, programs, features, etc without having a data plan. Is this the same?
And I'm not dropping 500+, hoping somewhere in the 300-350 price range, used on craigslist.
edit: Also, If I wanted to add a data plan, would I be able to do it without starting a new contract? Because a dealer that I personally know hooked me up with a no contract plan for tmo ($30+tax for unlimited calls and text, but no web).
Thanks.
no there is nothing limited by not having a data plan. and if you are near wifi all day then its will be just the same. but when you're driving in your car and want to use navigation, or look something up on google maps, wifi isnt gonna help you. that's what they're saying.
and yes you can add a data plan anytime without extending your contract on most any carrier nowadays.
LOL
i buy my N1 without data plan xD
i dont regret since i have wifi around in my work and home and im outside wifi range like 4 hours at day in bus or subway.
and im fine perhaps its like kill a fly wit a cannon
i will get in 10 days my 3g plan (too expensive here >_< )
but yea after months with wifi, all its ok but with 3g AMAZING phone
htc420 said:
Haha, why not? I'm surrounded by WiFi literally EVERYWHERE. Is it because this phone limits what you can do on it without the data plan, like what BlackBerry does? I know with BB, you can't use certain apps, programs, features, etc without having a data plan. Is this the same?
And I'm not dropping 500+, hoping somewhere in the 300-350 price range, used on craigslist.
edit: Also, If I wanted to add a data plan, would I be able to do it without starting a new contract? Because a dealer that I personally know hooked me up with a no contract plan for tmo ($30+tax for unlimited calls and text, but no web).
Thanks.
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I guess anywhere I have wifi, I have computer access, so I don't really touch my phone during those times.
There's no restrictions from the OS itself regarding data.
If you want super cheap data, go to the t-mo website, set up and account. The when it asks you for your phone type, just put in a generic non-smartphone phone. You'll be able to add the $10 "dumbphone" internet, which is the same as the "android" plan.
JCopernicus said:
If you want super cheap data, go to the t-mo website, set up and account. The when it asks you for your phone type, just put in a generic non-smartphone phone. You'll be able to add the $10 "dumbphone" internet, which is the same as the "android" plan.
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Interesting. First time I hear of that. Can't they find out what phone you have once they scan the phone?
[Edit]: I just checked my T-Mobile account and it shows up as Unknown Phone: "Sorry—we’re not sure which phone you’re using, so we’re not able to display resources. Please select a phone".
What's to prevent me from changing my account to the $10 dumbphone plan?
Paul22000 said:
Interesting. First time I hear of that. Can't they find out what phone you have once they scan the phone?
[Edit]: I just checked my T-Mobile account and it shows up as Unknown Phone: "Sorry—we’re not sure which phone you’re using, so we’re not able to display resources. Please select a phone".
What's to prevent me from changing my account to the $10 dumbphone plan?
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Scruples.
If you're on contract you won't be able to change the android plan without an ETF.
They surely can scan your imei and figure out which phone you have (ATT does this), but T-Mobile has not not started doing that yet.
JCopernicus said:
Scruples.
If you're on contract you won't be able to change the android plan without an ETF.
They surely can scan your imei and figure out which phone you have (ATT does this), but T-Mobile has not not started doing that yet.
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Because T-Mobile is the ****! I cautiously walked away from ATT and Verizon a few years ago and was amazed at what I found in Tmobile, I will never go back
Paul22000 said:
Interesting. First time I hear of that. Can't they find out what phone you have once they scan the phone?
[Edit]: I just checked my T-Mobile account and it shows up as Unknown Phone: "Sorry—we’re not sure which phone you’re using, so we’re not able to display resources. Please select a phone".
What's to prevent me from changing my account to the $10 dumbphone plan?
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Nothing...many other carriers check your imei number but tmobile rarely does anything with it. Try it, the worse that could happen is they figure out you have a smartphone and bump you back up to what you are currently paying. Theoretically there is no difference between the dumbphone and the smartphone variant (im pretty sure).
Yeah I know, not the first thread on the subject
I am a rather happy owner of a Galaxy Tab for the past 36 hours and I just wanted to share my feelings about the usage as a phone. Until I own it I was pretty much convinced this was going to be my main phone, just a question of being able to use a Bluetooth headset with it.
I am not 100% sure anymore.
First, and probably because it's the first time I use a headset I have found this much less convenient than using a phone (This is hopefully just a question of getting used to it). Can't see who is calling (Yep with the right headset the name will show, I may purchase one, but still wont have the picture), people around can hear much better what you're saying, if if you have to manipulate the tab for whatever reason, given its size you feel clumsy
Second, texting while walking in the street is pretty much more difficult. The Tab is big, easy to drop (Read the few threads around of people who broke their screen). It takes me half a second to take my Touch Pro 2 out of my pocket, get the keyboard out and type some messages while walking. And given its size I nearly never dropped it (And whenever I did it always survived without being wounded ). I am definitely slower with my tab (Plus I have to get used to use an on-screen keyboard, but then yeah on this I guess it's a question of getting used to it)
Third (maybe funny): while in meetings I didn't see anybody raise an eyebrow whenever I was texting with my TP2 (looks a bit like a blackberry and anyway quite discrete) I can see how much attention I draw whenever I answer some txt or emails now ! And with the screen size it make sit easy to see what I ma doing... Not the Tab's neg, but for me kind of a drawback
Last one (This one may make some laugh): I love clubbing, bar hoping, etc... I thought it would fit my back pocket. And it does ! however try dancing with that in your back pocket... That's not gonna work And there is no way I'd leave my phone at the cloak, I need it with me (take phone numbers, give direction to friends, etc...). I'd be better off leaving the Tab in the cloak and still go around with a small device (Even an average sized device like my TP2 handles OK while dancing)
I love the form factor, so easy to carry around, but in the end I understand much better Blackberry's approach with the Playbook, it's probably the best way to go, and I am considering using the Tab as a second device.
However I see the pain ahead... Don't wanna have 2 plans. And that's where it sucks. It seems in many countries you are able to have 2 SIM cards with the same number (With kind of a master device and a slave one). Couldn't find anything similar with AT&T in the US If anybody ever heard of this kind of services.... It would be perfect. Then I can still swap SIM cards but that sucks... (And I guess if you do it 5 times a day you may damage your SIM (If not lose it while dropping it)). Another solution is to tether the phone to the Tab (Great I paid for a 3G Tab for nothing !!) but on that I am quite worried about the battery life of both devices Maybe through Bluetooth rather than Wifi ? Would consume less ? If anybody has an idea... Or could try SIM cloning... But it seems it's not really possible anymore with SIM v2 (And besides if the operator doesn't offer the service described above I guess there will be conflicts between the 2 devices at some stage (Not 100% sure but possible)
Anyway... Don't flame me, would just be happy to exchange on the subject with people who have found solutions, have ideas on the matter, or just inform future buyers
Waoh, zero interest on the subject !
Well, i dont have one, but i can defiantly see where using it as a phone could lead to some problems, even if it does fit in you back pocket. It is interesting that you attempted it though, but pulling it out at meetings...thats priceless
Alcibiade said:
I love the form factor, so easy to carry around, but in the end I understand much better Blackberry's approach with the Playbook, it's probably the best way to go, and I am considering using the Tab as a second device.
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I think the irony is that most of us in Europe wouldn't consider using the Tab as primary phone even though it is a fully functional phone, whereas in the US it's the other way around.
However I see the pain ahead... Don't wanna have 2 plans. And that's where it sucks. It seems in many countries you are able to have 2 SIM cards with the same number (With kind of a master device and a slave one).
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In the UK, we don't have the ability to have multiple SIMs with the same phone number either, but it is far less of an issue compared to the US because we have an extremely competitive market for data.
For example, on T-Mobile in the UK, for £20 (around $32) I can get 6 months worth of mobile internet with 1GB FUP which is ideal for a Tab which doesn't go out and about too often - and there's no overages, just an understanding that they may restrict service if you regularly go over your FUP allowance.
For £10 ($16) a month, I can get truly unlimited internet (excludes tethering) on Giffgaff which is ideal for the more mobile Tab.
When it comes to contracts, I have a mobile broadband contract on 3 that gives me 15GB a month for £15, which allows tethering etc.
I'm planning on heading over to Florida for 6 or 7 weeks early next year, and I'm probably going to get a MiFi of some sort with a T-Mobile Web Connect SIM, but it's going to be a hell of a lot more expensive than something comparable in the UK.
Regards,
Dave
NickDroid said:
Well, i dont have one, but i can defiantly see where using it as a phone could lead to some problems, even if it does fit in you back pocket. It is interesting that you attempted it though, but pulling it out at meetings...thats priceless
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The thing is since not so many people know what it is, it attracts attention... So it's not very discrete, while a small phone you can type your personal messages during meetings people don't really pay attention (Or think you're sending professional messages)
foxmeister said:
I think the irony is that most of us in Europe wouldn't consider using the Tab as primary phone even though it is a fully functional phone, whereas in the US it's the other way around.
In the UK, we don't have the ability to have multiple SIMs with the same phone number either, but it is far less of an issue compared to the US because we have an extremely competitive market for data.
For example, on T-Mobile in the UK, for £20 (around $32) I can get 6 months worth of mobile internet with 1GB FUP which is ideal for a Tab which doesn't go out and about too often - and there's no overages, just an understanding that they may restrict service if you regularly go over your FUP allowance.
For £10 ($16) a month, I can get truly unlimited internet (excludes tethering) on Giffgaff which is ideal for the more mobile Tab.
When it comes to contracts, I have a mobile broadband contract on 3 that gives me 15GB a month for £15, which allows tethering etc.
I'm planning on heading over to Florida for 6 or 7 weeks early next year, and I'm probably going to get a MiFi of some sort with a T-Mobile Web Connect SIM, but it's going to be a hell of a lot more expensive than something comparable in the UK.
Regards,
Dave
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Well... I am European... (Although I live in NY)
US carriers suck for data plans. I lived in japan and HK before where for half the price I got much better service... Definitely for £10 a month I wouldn't even bother thinking about using my phone SIM card in my Tab to take advantage of my unlimited data plan (Which by the way in the SU looks more and more like it will be limited by throttling down once you reach a threshold.............)
Why would you need 2 plans with AT&T tab? I guess you didn't want to flash her.
Your other points are completely valid. It is just a matter of personal opinion/wanting to replace the phone with tab enough. Thanks for sharing!
Here are some workarounds you could investigate:
Try a bluetooth stereo headset with a display.
Use the Sony LiveView and wear as a watch.
Type with a tiny bluetooth keyboard.
Get a separate smartphone with a VNC client. Turn on the mobile hotspot, on your Galaxy Tab, and then control it with the smaller smartphone.
How is the Galaxy Tab's battery life as a phone, by the way?
Thanks for the post. I've been thinking to get the tab to replace my I9000 as the main phone, but after I read your post, I think I'll hold it for a while .....
PLinga said:
Here are some workarounds you could investigate:
Try a bluetooth stereo headset with a display.
Use the Sony LiveView and wear as a watch.
Type with a tiny bluetooth keyboard.
Get a separate smartphone with a VNC client. Turn on the mobile hotspot, on your Galaxy Tab, and then control it with the smaller smartphone.
How is the Galaxy Tab's battery life as a phone, by the way?
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I thought about these options... Still not satisfying
Battery life ? I dont phone much but definitely much better than my Touch pro 2 (And I use activesync, bluetooth, etc...)