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How to pressure bootloader unlock or unlock tool release

We need to put some heat under the atrix development to have the bootloader unlocked or a tool to unlock it ........ in more then one conversation they have stated then retracted the statement saying " if you want custom ROMS buy a nexus " what could we do as a community to fuel the realease of an unlocked bootloder or a unlock tool ........ as functional as the phone may be out of the box it always has much more potential then a factory standard ROM

clopes91 said:
We need to put some heat under the atrix development to have the bootloader unlocked or a tool to unlock it ........ in more then one conversation they have stated then retracted the statement saying " if you want custom ROMS buy a nexus " what could we do as a community to fuel the realease of an unlocked bootloder or a unlock tool ........ as functional as the phone may be out of the box it always has much more potential then a factory standard ROM
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I don't think we'll really have much luck with that. I think the best route to go is to probably show what Microsoft has done (though I"m sure Moto is well aware): embrace the developers and work with them. Microsoft is learning from the developers, and vice versa. As much as I hate to say it, WinMo suddenly has a lot of potential. I don't see myself switching, as I hate the new version. It's something I'd expect to see in the mid 90s lol.

clopes91 said:
We need to put some heat under the atrix development to have the bootloader unlocked or a tool to unlock it ........ in more then one conversation they have stated then retracted the statement saying " if you want custom ROMS buy a nexus " what could we do as a community to fuel the realease of an unlocked bootloder or a unlock tool ........ as functional as the phone may be out of the box it always has much more potential then a factory standard ROM
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Are you an idiot? "Put some heat under the Atrix development"...wtf?
The easiest way is to pay someone. Until then and im sure you are just looking for hand-outs and free-bees, you can wait. Or better yet, take the devs comment seriously, buy a Nexus.
These people do this kind of stuff on their free time. Be a little more grateful for the devs that we have working on the stuff they they are working on instead of trying to "Put some heat under the Atrix development".

ecapox said:
Are you an idiot? "Put some heat under the Atrix development"...wtf?
The easiest way is to pay someone. Until then and im sure you are just looking for hand-outs and free-bees, you can wait. Or better yet, take the devs comment seriously, buy a Nexus.
These people do this kind of stuff on their free time. Be a little more grateful for the devs that we have working on the stuff they they are working on instead of trying to "Put some heat under the Atrix development".
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I took his comment to mean put some heat on Moto for an unlocked bootloader, or at least unlockable. I think the devs here at XDA are extremely talented, but I don't know enough about eFuse to know if they can even crack it.

SoberGuy said:
I took his comment to mean put some heat on Moto for an unlocked bootloader, or at least unlockable. I think the devs here at XDA are extremely talented, but I don't know enough about eFuse to know if they can even crack it.
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That's what I thought as well. I don't think he sounded ungrateful. I think he means Motorola needs to be pressured to work with the dev community.

LockeCPM4 said:
That's what I thought as well. I don't think he sounded ungrateful. I think he means Motorola needs to be pressured to work with the dev community.
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I'll have to 3rd? that I guess. I too read it as, pressuring MOTO not the devs here at XDA lol
Regardless, good luck with that. If you can some how get 1mil+ tweets maybe to Moto about unlocking it then they might hear us lol

I think AT$T will also have a say if the bootloader will be locked as well, and if they do. You know how that's gonna play out..

I hope Motorola/AT&T do not lock this one down. As long as this phone runs as fast as early reviews claim, the only two things I would like to see are Root, and the ability to side load apps.

LockeCPM4 said:
I hope Motorola/AT&T do not lock this one down. As long as this phone runs as fast as early reviews claim, the only two things I would like to see are Root, and the ability to side load apps.
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That's all I'm hoping for.

all I'm hoping for is that I can use the Atrix with my T-Mobile sim

T-mobile in the USA uses 1700 MHz for their UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ service, while the Atrix supports 850 / 1900 / 2100 MHz. So it might work, but not for 3G/4G service.

Dont worry we will have an unlock tool soon :
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Ok my wording may be taken several ways but allot of phones had bootloader unlockers release before the phone so its not asking for freebies I'm just saying there has to be a way or something to get the ball rolling
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I'll buy every Moto phone released this year if even one moto phone has a bypassable bootloader. Unless you get the signing keys from moto, you're SOL. You don't buy Motorola handsets; you rent them.

Put the heat on them lol
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Xstop said:
I think AT$T will also have a say if the bootloader will be locked as well, and if they do. You know how that's gonna play out..
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What android phones on AT&T have a locked bootloader? The Captivate sure as hell doesn't. The aria doesn't either.
I don't see why AT&T would be 'the bad guy' in this case.

Hes saying the provider has a say in how the phone functions.
Just like how most providers block tethering unless you pay for it.
Hes suggesting that even if moto wanted an unlocked bootloader at&t could say "no we want a locked bootloader so people don't bypass our restrictions".

ApplCobbler said:
What android phones on AT&T have a locked bootloader? The Captivate sure as hell doesn't. The aria doesn't either.
I don't see why AT&T would be 'the bad guy' in this case.
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Moto is the only manufacturer to use something like eFuse on a bootloader. Look at the Moto phones with the eFuse...and none of them are offered on AT&T. While AT&T may have some kind of input on the matter, that point is moot, as the process is one that Moto created, for their own reasons and purposes, and has nothing to do with the carrier(s).
What phones besides Moto's have anything like eFuse? None. The only ones with eFuse are higher end Android phones, phones that AT&T hasn't carried.

Which high end android phones use Efuses? And what could possibly be the reason for wanting to lock a bootloader that bad? Doesn't Google require all scripts and coding ect to be released by phone makers ?
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Motorola did say something about wanting to work with developers, so I'm hoping.. I'll sign an agreement, void my warranty etc..
Moto posted something about their xoom on facebook and at least half the people responding chimed in with something about wanting an unlocked bootloader, I'm not sure how much pressure motorola perceives from this, but I thought it was pretty good.
and unless a moto employee leaks the signing keys, I seriously doubt the bootloader will be unlocked, I doubt they messed up like sony did with the ps3.. unfortunately.

Nexus S question

Anyone know if it is boot encrypted or phone locked, I've seen commentary both ways, looking for someone who got it early.

no its not. the nexus devices are designed to be open.. the bootloader is LOCKED but booting into fastboot and typing (on your computer) fastboot oem unlock unlocks it and then all you need to do is fastboot flash recovery to get clockwork mod on it

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no its not. the nexus devices are designed to be open.. the bootloader is LOCKED but booting into fastboot and typing (on your computer) fastboot oem unlock unlocks it and then all you need to do is fastboot flash recovery to get clockwork mod on it
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Thanks cant wait getting mine in the AM

Paleryder said:
Thanks cant wait getting mine in the AM
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let us know your thoughts and opinions on it..
esp what you like and dislike between that and the epic..
which is better and so on...

Paleryder said:
Thanks cant wait getting mine in the AM
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I so badly wanna follow suit.. mostly to ditch the 'bulk' of the keyboard but also to experience a 'raw' and 'unbloated' device LOL...
I just don't think i got the cash though :/
So I wait... hahahaha

its 10:25 local time here, my store opens at 11. as soon as i have it im rooting it and making a system dump to toss to the cm7 team but its also going public as apparently no one that has it has made one :O

What would we do without you
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its 10:25 local time here, my store opens at 11. as soon as i have it im rooting it and making a system dump to toss to the cm7 team but its also going public as apparently no one that has it has made one :O
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Didn't sammy commit to keeping bootloaders and encryptions on they're phones? Thought I read that somewhere. That they encouraged it. That doesn't sound right lol
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RushAOZ said:
Didn't sammy commit to keeping bootloaders and encryptions on they're phones? Thought I read that somewhere. That they encouraged it. That doesn't sound right lol
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Sammy said they would keep their phones unlocked unless google told them otherwise
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My wife is leaving T-Mobile to pick up a Nexus this afternoon. Sprint renewed the $125 rebate to anyone that leaves their contract.

darn it im not eligible for an upgrade until november of this year, im beggining to hate my epic so much, the roms are great but even they have small tiny quirks that piss me off.
no matter, im thinking about just spending the 550 and getting it for full price and experience the gingerbreaded goodness!

Xperia Play 4g

All this stuff is good for verizons xperia play and att's xperia play 4g right??
just got rid of my samsung infuse and it looks like Xperia play is a little more complicated then that was
also, don't have to as im going to try to do reasearch but if anyone wants to point out threads that'll get me started on rooting and ice cream sandwiching my new phone, i'd appreciate it, ill delete this thread in 24 hours as to not clog up space
and if your gonna be a jerk, don't bother =)

Rylin210 said:
All this stuff is good for verizons xperia play and att's xperia play 4g right??
just got rid of my samsung infuse and it looks like Xperia play is a little more complicated then that was
also, don't have to as im going to try to do reasearch but if anyone wants to point out threads that'll get me started on rooting and ice cream sandwiching my new phone, i'd appreciate it, ill delete this thread in 24 hours as to not clog up space
and if your gonna be a jerk, don't bother =)
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AT&T version (r800at) is fine I've got it, I wouldn't buy the Verizon version (r800x) because thry haven't released any source for it so development it's really rough. I'd recommend getting your bootloader unlocked to flash cm 7.1 or another ROM and dooms kernel. With the r800i, r800a, and r800at being the exact same hardware all the firmwares and updates work across all of them.
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zergrush for root, get theme files for ICS theme, push through adb, install launcher with ICS theme
Check the development and theme/app sections, there are some easy to find threads in both that will prove useful to you.
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So please help me... I have in fact rooted my att play 4g but I need help unlocking the bootloader without paying the 25$ I have tried the one on the Ericssonwebsite without luck bc my light turn s green not blue :/ and I want to download kernals and Rome can you please help with that? I don't have a recovery menu like I had when my tablet was rooted... I do not have access to a computer everytime I want a kernal or rom so anyway to do it off my phone? And please don't point me in direction of forums bc everytime I ask all I get are people being assholes to me and telling me to check Google even though that's why I'm here.

toxicpaulution said:
So please help me... I have in fact rooted my att play 4g but I need help unlocking the bootloader without paying the 25$ I have tried the one on the Ericssonwebsite without luck bc my light turn s green not blue :/ and I want to download kernals and Rome can you please help with that? I don't have a recovery menu like I had when my tablet was rooted... I do not have access to a computer everytime I want a kernal or rom so anyway to do it off my phone? And please don't point me in direction of forums bc everytime I ask all I get are people being assholes to me and telling me to check Google even though that's why I'm here.
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Unless you have the dev cable you need to pay the $25. The Dev cable is more then $25. If there were an easier way to unlock the bootloader everyone would be doing it so just pay the $25 abs move on man.
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toxicpaulution said:
So please help me... I have in fact rooted my att play 4g but I need help unlocking the bootloader without paying the 25$ I have tried the one on the Ericssonwebsite without luck bc my light turn s green not blue :/ and I want to download kernals and Rome can you please help with that? I don't have a recovery menu like I had when my tablet was rooted... I do not have access to a computer everytime I want a kernal or rom so anyway to do it off my phone? And please don't point me in direction of forums bc everytime I ask all I get are people being assholes to me and telling me to check Google even though that's why I'm here.
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There is no way to unlock your bootloader without paying. The only two tools able to do it is. Omnius and SETool. Both of these applications require "credits" to perform an unlock!

Then I shall instead of paying even more to enjoy this phone I am just going to sell it it lags and I fiured I'd get a rom and a kernal to oc and fix the lag but I already spent 425 on it and its not worth it to put anymore into it.... it was a dud I may come back whenever the duo comes out... and there were many of people on here posting about the Ericsson website being able to worth and a lot of people said it did and I even seen a video of it working on the arc

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Then I shall instead of paying even more to enjoy this phone I am just going to sell it it lags and I fiured I'd get a rom and a kernal to oc and fix the lag but I already spent 425 on it and its not worth it to put anymore into it.... it was a dud I may come back whenever the duo comes out... and there were many of people on here posting about the Ericsson website being able to worth and a lot of people said it did and I even seen a video of it working on the arc
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Good luck then.
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toxicpaulution said:
Then I shall instead of paying even more to enjoy this phone I am just going to sell it it lags and I fiured I'd get a rom and a kernal to oc and fix the lag but I already spent 425 on it and its not worth it to put anymore into it.... it was a dud I may come back whenever the duo comes out... and there were many of people on here posting about the Ericsson website being able to worth and a lot of people said it did and I even seen a video of it working on the arc
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Then you should of researched your purchase beforehand. Then you would know only sim free, unbranded factory unlocked plays can get the bootloader unlocked from the sony website. This is because unlocking the bootloader removes all security from the phone including sim lock. If sony offered this to sim locked devices, it would make network providers very unhappy.
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If people can use xda to complain about a phone, why can't they use it to research beforehand? Don't whine just because you were ignorant and chose to spend money on something you hadn't read up on.
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Clienterror said:
AT&T version (r800at) is fine I've got it, I wouldn't buy the Verizon version (r800x) because thry haven't released any source for it so development it's really rough. I'd recommend getting your bootloader unlocked to flash cm 7.1 or another ROM and dooms kernel. With the r800i, r800a, and r800at being the exact same hardware all the firmwares and updates work across all of them.
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How did you unlock your bootloader? I currently have a R800x and I'm getting a R800at today or tomorrow but I read somewhere that the R800at can't be unlocked for free. I unlocked my R800x using sony's website just fine.. Is it the same or will I have to pay someone to unlock it for me? The SIM is already unlocked. And I'm sorry if this question is a little old.

Brandon.Bissonnette said:
How did you unlock your bootloader? I currently have a R800x and I'm getting a R800at today or tomorrow but I read somewhere that the R800at can't be unlocked for free. I unlocked my R800x using sony's website just fine.. Is it the same or will I have to pay someone to unlock it for me? The SIM is already unlocked. And I'm sorry if this question is a little old.
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Look up XDA user Alejandrissimo. He will unlock your XP AT&T bootloader for free via the testpoint method. Best method is to contact him via gmail, he will provide you with a download link of all the required PC software to install.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=3484087

Here yea go, a free method to your problem! :victory:

Why is it called the 4g? Loopys method rocks btw and is free and easy
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So, what's Big Reds excuse?

So the S3 is showing up with a locked boot loader. The only carrier on the planet doing that. Why? I've heard all sorts of silly excuses from Verizon apologists but ... The recently released HTC Incredible 4G has just been unlocked using the HTC developer site unlock tool. It seems they really don't have a valid reason or they would have forced HTC to lock the 4G down (HTC is hurting very badly financially and is much more likely to have to kiss V's butt that megacorp Samsung).
Flip side: Maybe it's high time for a company that doesn't need to kiss butt, with arguably the worlds most popular phone on their hands, to do something like HTC and make a developer unlock tool. That would make them the heros and add even more positive spin on the phone and the company.
Just an idea

I think with how huge the S3 is compared to the INC4G, they maybe wanted to treat it differently. Besides, not all is lost. Looks like Samsung left a few doors open. The situation doesn't look nearly as bleak as Motorola phones.
I mean..people have only had it a few days and look what we've got so far with the bootloader situation: root and a workaround for custom kernels. Things will come. I think people are just being really impatient because a lot of people don't have it yet and all the excitement, anticipation, hate for Verizon, and anger about the situation is festering and people are causing an uproar much too early.
I'd say if things are still looking bleak after a month or so, you'd have the right to be upset. Definitely not a few days after SOME people get it. At least wait until it's been officially available for a week

Good question! All I know is right now I am enjoying my stock S3. But I am on ATT. I guess last month when I was looking to leave Sprint I made the right choice huh? GSM forever for now! LTE or not!

Akita24 said:
So the S3 is showing up with a locked boot loader. The only carrier on the planet doing that. Why?
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“Network security."
In other words, no reason.
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It's likely a combination of a few things. Locked bootloaders allow them to get you to purchase more phones as upgrades slow down. But in their defense, a significant portion of users with custom ROMs that allow bad software (not really sure what) could actually be harmful to the network. Their product is the network, they don't really care about the few percentage of people that actually care about this stuff.
Which sucks for us.

Forgive my ignorance, but what does having a locked bootloader mean on a GS3?
Not rootable? no custom roms? Since its CDMA and NOT GSM, there is no "unlock" to use on another network? I'm a little confused (and an android noob)

Araltd said:
Forgive my ignorance, but what does having a locked bootloader mean on a GS3?
Not rootable? no custom roms? Since its CDMA and NOT GSM, there is no "unlock" to use on another network? I'm a little confused (and an android noob)
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Basically, when we say locked we mean encrypted. Pretty much every phone comes with a locked bootloader, it's just often easy to unlock.
When you boot up a phone, the bootloader is the first thing that loads. It checks signatures of whatever ROM you have, in some cases. This is called a signed bootloader. So you'd have to have a ROM/kernel/whatever signed with the same signature as the bootloader-- i.e., Samsung, in this case. You can sometimes spoof this key, but this bootloader is encrypted, on the SGS3. When a bootloaderis encrypted, it is pretty much impossible to fool, and it becomes very hard to load custom software on the device.

Araltd said:
Forgive my ignorance, but what does having a locked bootloader mean on a GS3?
Not rootable? no custom roms? Since its CDMA and NOT GSM, there is no "unlock" to use on another network? I'm a little confused (and an android noob)
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You can still flash custom roms I believe but no custom kernels until the boot loader is unlocked. It also makes other mods and recoveries a pain to install and run....it's mainly just a pain in the ass.
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OK got it. Thanks.

Akita24 said:
So, what's Big Reds excuse?
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$$$$$$$$$$$$
At the end of the day, no matter what they say about anything, it always comes back to that.

bbeelzebub said:
$$$$$$$$$$$$
At the end of the day, no matter what they say about anything, it always comes back to that.
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Yep. /thread

bbeelzebub said:
$$$$$$$$$$$$
At the end of the day, no matter what they say about anything, it always comes back to that.
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Agreed. Unlocked bootloader = easy root = tether apps run = more drain on the network = greater expense for the carrier. People who run modded roms and kernels tend to hold on to their phones longer, carrier may be losing money.

dohturdima said:
Agreed. Unlocked bootloader = easy root = tether apps run = more drain on the network = greater expense for the carrier. People who run modded roms and kernels tend to hold on to their phones longer, carrier may be losing money.
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The fault in your logic is that tethering is included in the shared data plans now. Anyone on these new plans can use it which I would guess could soon outnumber those who root and tether.

SlimSnoopOS said:
The fault in your logic is that tethering is included in the shared data plans now. Anyone on these new plans can use it which I would guess could soon outnumber those who root and tether.
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That, and with the exception of those of us who still have the unlimited data plans (which cannot be but so many people anymore), the user will pay for whatever data he uses.
Concern about tethering is no longer a valid excuse. ...even with Money being the motivating factor.

https://twitter.com/VZWSupport/status/221438243428765698

Do you believe everything posted on twitter?

Nope. Since I know it isn't true.
Verizon asked Samsung.

Serious_Beans said:
You can still flash custom roms I believe but no custom kernels until the boot loader is unlocked. It also makes other mods and recoveries a pain to install and run....it's mainly just a pain in the ass.
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Good news about the custom ROMs. I suppose this means that the phone may be rooted, so wireless tethering and nice programs such as Titanium Backup are possible. But, what is the additional advantage of having a custom kernel? Is that something to really look forward to?

Metups said:
Good news about the custom ROMs. I suppose this means that the phone may be rooted, so wireless tethering and nice programs such as Titanium Backup are possible. But, what is the additional advantage of having a custom kernel? Is that something to really look forward to?
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By “custom ROMs" I think he meant “Touchwiz-based custom ROMs"
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I tweeted them about this too. Their response:
We want you to have a great experience with your device! We do not support unlocked bootloaders.
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See guys? They're doing us a favor!

US Z1s Tell Sony to give us the option unlock BL!

I tweeted them.
@sonyxperiauS * @SonyXperia* US version of Z1s bootloader is NOT unlockable. I'm returning it until you give us option to unlock.
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epsix said:
I tweeted them.
@sonyxperiauS * @SonyXperia* US version of Z1s bootloader is NOT unlockable. I'm returning it until you give us option to unlock.
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It isn't up to Sony, the carrier has told Sony it wants to buy phones with locked bootloaders, blame your carrier instead.

Can't say I'm suprised in the least. It's supposed to be Tmobile exclusive flag ship. That said it's not the first locked bootloader the world has seen. Is just a matter of time before someone figures out a workaround.

We can still flash international stock ROMs right? That good enough for me if I ever feel the need to use a custom rom I have my note 3 for that.
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nightfox11 said:
We can still flash international stock ROMs right? That good enough for me if I ever feel the need to use a custom rom I have my note 3 for that.
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I doubt it, since the internal memory layout is different.

Rekoil said:
It isn't up to Sony, the carrier has told Sony it wants to buy phones with locked bootloaders, blame your carrier instead.
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Exactly, Z1s was meant to be for TMO so we can't blame Sony. Actually many people advice us to do not buy the Xperia from Carriers because of that, but like all the times many do not search and read carefully.

eclyptos said:
Exactly, Z1s was meant to be for TMO so we can't blame Sony. Actually many people advice us to do not buy the Xperia from Carriers because of that, but like all the times many do not search and read carefully.
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Reasons I waited for T-Mobile is WiFi calling and it has all the bands for their network. I just hope we can obtained root soon, can't live without it.
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epsix said:
Reasons I waited for T-Mobile is WiFi calling and it has all the bands for their network. I just hope we can obtained root soon, can't live without it.
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Maybe we can put the TMOUS firmware on a C6906.
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epsix said:
Reasons I waited for T-Mobile is WiFi calling and it has all the bands for their network. I just hope we can obtained root soon, can't live without it.
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On locked bootloader should be no problem, the root come soon. Someone just complain because of permanently locked bootloader and no custom kernels for them.

Is there or will there be any way to root without unlocking the bootloader? I dont really care about flashing the rom but rooting is a whole different story for me :/

Agreed. Rooting is essential at the very least.
Sony and T-Mobile need to realize that people who purchase this device are very discerning consumers and tech users. We didn't just settle for the s4.
We chose this device for superior styling, specs, and build quality. And i hope i speak for others too when i say that i jumped to T-Mobile (despite concerns of service quality) because i was tired of the service i was receiving from my old carrier. I am thus far very pleased.
John Legere claims that all his grand ideas were the result of listening to customers carrier woes. Honestly he is the reason i switched. Not because i think T-Mobile will be the best carrier, but because i think he can/will change the industry and that deserves a little faith. Well i think it's time for John to have a little faith in us.
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Honestly we should write a letter to Mr Legere with attached signatures from users of all android devices petitioning for the unlocking of bootloaders on all currently supported and future handsets.
Am i correct in assuming this does not affect sim unlock? Hell they could require that the handset be paid off or that the user be enrolled in the jump program (insured).
We need to show manufacturers and carriers how big the Android modding community is and let them see that this community is the future of android and all mobile device development.
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oxidax said:
Is there or will there be any way to root without unlocking the bootloader? I dont really care about flashing the rom but rooting is a whole different story for me :/
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Yes, Z1 can be rooted with Locked Bootloader so Z1s will be too, give them some time.
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POMF2K said:
Am i correct in assuming this does not affect sim unlock?
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Yes, you are correct.

eclyptos said:
Yes, Z1 can be rooted with Locked Bootloader so Z1s will be too, give them some time.
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Thats great then! Its my first time with a non nexus phone so thats why im like freaking out lol!

OCedHrt said:
Maybe we can put the TMOUS firmware on a C6906.
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Has there been much dev progress here? As soon as someone dumps a FTF, C6906s can start flashing them and seeing what breaks. I have an AT&T sim card, though, so I can't really help. I ended up with a Telus C6906 anyway, so it's locked BL.
POMF2K said:
Sony and T-Mobile need to realize that people who purchase this device are very discerning consumers and tech users. We didn't just settle for the s4.
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Honestly, I don't think they want to win the "discerning and technical" crowd so much as they just want a big market share. The portion of the marketshare who cares about root/unlock BL/customization is not big enough for them to fight carriers and keep the product financially viable. The carriers are going to push way more sales volume than Sony could on their own, so Sony has to appease them. If it wanted to, maybe Sony could become the Tesla of handsets (distribution without dealerships), but there's no precedent or market case for all that leg work.

Never get a phone without permission to unlock bootloader guys
if u want a cheap phone, just get parallel version

xasbo said:
, so it's locked BL..
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It's locked permanently or can be unlocked?

Technically, "carrier bootloader locked." As in, "bootloader unlock allowed: no". The official unlock procedure doesn't work, obviously, but I'm confident that this is possible to reverse.
I've been doing some research on how to bypass this (talking to Sony dev, reviewing how it was done on the Z), but haven't had much time since the holidays to actually hack the hardware yet.

Never huge fan of Sony, I only purchased this cause its water resistance. After seeing how easy it is to brick this device, i wouldn't even try to unlock BL even if it's unlockable. But really wants root though. :thumbup:
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