Face unlock - Xperia Arc General

As we know, the xperia arc will probably not receive face unlock in the ICS upgrade, but once we receive the update, do you think it'll be possible to port face unlock to work in the back camera?
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Possibly, but that'd be COMPLETELY useless.

This is an unwanted feature on LT15i

it is useles untill the cell phone doesnt have the front camera....

worst feauture in arc not having a single front camera
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I'm currently a HTC Desire S owner, looking at replacing my old DS soon, and this phone (Arc S) is firmly in my sights so I'm checking this section out to see what the Arc community is like. Stumbled across this thread and thought you might want the opinion of a front-facing camera owner...
Face unlock is a massive gimmick. Trust me you are missing nothing here. I have been able to have face unlock for ages using a third party app called Visidon App Lock. It works very well, and is very fast to recognise my face and unlock my phone.......as long as it's light enough.
A slight dingy or dark room, and obviously the front facing camera can't see your face well enough to make a match. You have to enter a manual bypass password each time this occurs. Before this occurs though you'll spend a good few seconds angling the phone about, pulling silly faces, and leaning towards a light source to try and get it to register. Anyone see you doing this thinks you have lost the plot.
Trust me after the novelty wears off and you'll just go back to an unlock pattern. They are quick, simple, and work in complete darkness! If you want a reliable face unlock, use your nose to enter the unlock pattern. It would probably be more reliable and people will still think you have lost the plot.

wnp_79 said:
I'm currently a HTC Desire S owner, looking at replacing my old DS soon, and this phone (Arc S) is firmly in my sights so I'm checking this section out to see what the Arc community is like. Stumbled across this thread and thought you might want the opinion of a front-facing camera owner...
Face unlock is a massive gimmick. Trust me you are missing nothing here. I have been able to have face unlock for ages using a third party app called Visidon App Lock. It works very well, and is very fast to recognise my face and unlock my phone.......as long as it's light enough.
A slight dingy or dark room, and obviously the front facing camera can't see your face well enough to make a match. You have to enter a manual bypass password each time this occurs. Before this occurs though you'll spend a good few seconds angling the phone about, pulling silly faces, and leaning towards a light source to try and get it to register. Anyone see you doing this thinks you have lost the plot.
Trust me after the novelty wears off and you'll just go back to an unlock pattern. They are quick, simple, and work in complete darkness! If you want a reliable face unlock, use your nose to enter the unlock pattern. It would probably be more reliable and people will still think you have lost the plot.
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I wrote that I find this feature completely useless and stupid but my post got deleted, probably due to the bluntness. But you managed to phrase it much much better, THANK YOU!!
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wnp_79 said:
If you want a reliable face unlock, use your nose to enter the unlock pattern. It would probably be more reliable and people will still think you have lost the plot.
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I cannot agree more of it! lol
Yes, there are things that sounds interesting but totally useless.

iridaki said:
I wrote that I find this feature completely useless and stupid but my post got deleted, probably due to the bluntness. But you managed to phrase it much much better, THANK YOU!!
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Nah u were right
And this is the second useless thread

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Face unlock

I am coming from a rezound running different ics roms. I never used face unlock on that device because it didn't always work, and when it did it took a while. I think the front facing camera also wasn't aimed properly.
Now on the gs3 I find face unlock works great. It often unlocks before I really even registered the lock screen after pressing the power button. Now I become annoyed at the few times it doesn't work so fast. After such an instance I will go straight to security settings and improve face recognition for that scenario. It's working great and I've probably done 30+ improvements.
Now I am interested in finding a way to back up the recognition data so I can keep it across the various rom flashes I expect to come.
Any ideas?
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I found adding multiple pictures (improving facial recognition setting) helps a bunch. I've taken pictures in the car, outside, in the house, in low light, in bright sun light, etc...
I have a full beard, my son does not... and he added his face ONCE, and now it will unlock for him too :laugh: however it will NOT unlock for my other son......
Having the face unlock is having your phone locked, but not really for you... since I never (rarely) have to enter a passcode or swipe code... For me, the phone just unlocks. But for others, its still secure. FACE UNLOCK IS AWESOME.
I was surprised at how accurate and fast it was. As you said, improving facial recognition in the settings really helps! You can even take a picture of yourself in sunglasses and it'll recognize you the next time.
Where do I change settings for it? It doesn't pick me up with sunglasses on or in other dark or bright places.
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colemac said:
Where do I change settings for it? It doesn't pick me up with sunglasses on or in other dark or bright places.
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Settings -> Security -> Improve Facial Recognition.
It has a hard time in bright or dark places, that's true.
but ppl can also take picture of you and unlock it right?
it sis not that secure
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but ppl can also take picture of you and unlock it right?
it sis not that secure
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Quit making that a big deal, cause its not a big deal
For that to happen, someone would have to take your phone without your permission and then use a picture of you. Face unlock is more of a convenience feature. It says it right there before you even select face unlock. Besides, Samsung has made an option for those "paranoid" people. You can set it where it requires the face AND voice. Besides, we know what jellybean provides for face unlock. Face unlock security is an irrelevant issue. (No hate)
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By the same token, someone could get your pin code and unlock, or know your pattern to unlock...
I think the concept behind the face unlock is more for people like myself. I NEVER security lock my phone, I just don't. But, with the face lock/unlock the phone is security locked, but I almost never have to enter anything
I think its cool myself.... but I'm not one of those security paranoid people. NO FLAMING HERE... just saying, we all know those kinds of people, who hear about so&so security flaw and get ultra paranoid about it... like THEY are being targeted directly by some secret organization trying to steal the diary entry on their device that contains the secret of how many times they fed the dog! I don't think the face lock feature was introduced and designed to be the 256bit encrypted fingerprint checking solution to guarding your data... it's a freaking cool feature for the casual user :good: AND THATS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.
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I was surprised at how accurate and fast it was. As you said, improving facial recognition in the settings really helps! You can even take a picture of yourself in sunglasses and it'll recognize you the next time.
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that was my biggest gripe .. having to take off my sunglasses for it to work. Never thought of adding sunglasses pics. thanks!
If i add some sunglasses pics do you think it'd let anyone with sunglasses unlock it?
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but ppl can also take picture of you and unlock it right?
it sis not that secure
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If people are trying to access your phone using a picture you have bigger things to worry about.
^this.
Here are the scenarios:
1. Some one not close to me badly wants some data off my phone. - I don't really have data arbitrarily important to garner such atention, and they are still gonna have to go to an odd length to get it.
Furthermore, I don't have my phone storage or sd card encrypted because I am usually flashing new roms, so they can really get that data anyhow no matter what the lock mechanism if they want it badly enough.
2. Someone close to me wants data off my phone and is willing to make such a trespass.
- I don't have people like that close to me, sounds like a bad situation.
3. My phone is lost or stolen and I want time to remote wipe or track it.
- face unlock is sufficient.
For most people's purposes, face unlock is sufficient.
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I wanted to keep the M8, and I couldn't for these reasons.

I used the M8 and S5 side by side for over a week. I really wanted to keep the M8, but I couldn't. Does the following drive anyone else a bit crazy? Are there solutions to some of these issues I'm simply not aware of?
Basic inputs:
It actually takes longer to use the M8 for basic inputs, turning the device on, and turning it off. The Samsung turns on a bit faster with just pushing the home button. Fingerprint scanner unlocks more quickly. Side power button is far superior.
Double tap on the M8 is NOT perfect. Neither is holding the device in landscape and hitting the volume key to activate the camera (doesn't work on the first try about 30%). Double tap takes you to the first lock screen. Then you have to slide the icon of what you want to use and input your pin. This can be mitigated by utilizing swipes instead of double tap. It's still not faster.
Buttons:
I often found myself constantly hunting for the onscreen buttons on the M8. The empty HTC bezel throws you off. It's very hard to have muscle memory when you have a big empty row where you think the buttons are. It also takes a moment for the buttons to simply appear. S5 doesn't have this issue due to the hardware home button.
Screen Off:
However often we turn the screen on, a lot of us are also turning it off. It takes longer to turn the screen off on the M8 than it does the S5. Every time I turned the M8 off with one hand it required maneuvering the device in a way that made me fear dropping it because the power button is on top and the device is long. I generally used my other hand to hit the power button just for that reason. That's not necessary on the S5.
Screen on with Music:
I LOVE the M8 speakers. I love playing music on this device around the house, while I'm in the shower, etc. If I am playing music on the M8 and have the device on the counter, and I want to change a song, it's not designed to register a doubletap when laying flat. With the S5, I hit the home button and it brings the screen up. It takes significantly longer to either find a way to hit the top power button or repeatedly tap the screen until it registers on the M8.
Speed:
In day to day use, after disabling bloat on the S5, the devices are equally as snappy. In fact, the S5 is more accessible for the reasons mentioned above. That's all that matters, because all of us here are capable of tinkering and optimizing.
Everyone wants to talk about microseconds worth of lag, what about basic functions, like turning the screen off. It's little things like that, things I do often, which should be taken into consideration when you talk about how long you have to wait for things between devices. If we are going to argue about tenths of a second, these things matter.
I wouldn't have a Samsung phone due build quality they feel too plastic, I have had my m8 for only a couple of days, coming from the one x and although the phone is bigger I find that it feels better to hold and use.
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So basically you have made a thread just for the turning on and off of the screen, seriously this thread needs to be closed.
On a side note my Note 3 had lag when pressing home button to wake the phone up, as much as double tapping the screen, it would be nice to get double tap without needing movement as that would help for skipping songs, but I wouldn't say it was a major issues, all the other positives make up for it imo.
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maverick1103 said:
So basically you have made a thread just for the turning on and off of the screen, seriously this thread needs to be closed.
On a side note my Note 3 had lag when pressing home button to wake the phone up, as much as double tapping the screen, it would be nice to get double tap without needing movement as that would help for skipping songs, but I wouldn't say it was a major issues, all the other positives make up for it imo.
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I'm actually curious if there are any fixes for my issues, it's what made me choose the S5.
Is there an easier way to turn off the screen than hitting the top power button?
Is there an easier way to turn on the screen when the device is flat?
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I'm actually curious if there are any fixes for my issues, it's what made me choose the S5.
Is there an easier way to turn off the screen than hitting the top power button?
Is there an easier way to turn on the screen when the device is flat?
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Rooted then yes, not rooted then no.
Look you obviously love Samsung's due to the home button, maybe you should post this in the S5 forum, makes more sense!
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maverick1103 said:
Rooted then yes, not rooted then no.
Look you obviously love Samsung's due to the home button, maybe you should post this in the S5 forum, makes more sense!
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What's the rooted fix for turning the screen off?
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If I double tap my screen when flat it wakes the device. To solve having to use the power button to sleep. Then change the screen of time.
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RE: Device lying flat.
Just give it a little roll on the curve by touching an edge. Then double tap. It literally takes milliseconds. I use my middle finger to tap the edge of the phone and my index finger to double tap.
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RE: Device lying flat.
Just give it a little roll on the curve by touching an edge. Then double tap. It literally takes milliseconds. I use my middle finger to tap the edge of the phone and my index finger to double tap.
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I found that repeatedly tapping the device would wake it up. Maybe I was making it roll slightly. Is there a way to wake or sleep the device with the volume button?
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Sorry I'm a bit confused, you wanted to keep the m8 but also didn't want to keep it. I don't think the phone was the real issue here.
Plastic is what Plastic does.
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There is a lot that I liked about the M8. Specifically, the metal body over plastic. I agree, the S5 is not enjoyable to hold. It was not an easy decision. I felt the HTC was worth $600.00. I don't feel that way about the S5 at all, and that bothers me.
Believe it or not, I root for HTC over Samsung. I'm hoping they are around for an M9, I have a feeling that's going to be a very special device.
All of those problems aren't even big... Turning the device on and off is far quicker than any of the Samsungs I have ever owned. I played with the s5, and TouchWiz is STILL too laggy compared to sense. I turned off double tap to wake, because HTC did one thing wrong... No seperate options for all gestures. As for on screen? I prefer it that way... Physical buttons have more of a chance to fail than soft keys.
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M8 isn't perfect, no device is. No need to get personal.
You did say one helpful thing: "Using exposed framework module double tap to turn off screen works instantly."
My understanding was that this doesn't work on the M8 yet. Does it?
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I use xpose with gravity box and I hold menu button to sleep and sweep up on screen gestures to unlock screen if u use the phone how Ur instructed to use it u won't have a problem Galaxy S5 vs HTC M8 (One): http://youtu.be/u0q362kb3DA
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So you couldn't figure out how to use double tap to wake screen or better yet slide up to wake screen and go straight to where you left off before putting to sleep, interesting.
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Exactly, if the music player was open the entire time when the screen shut itself off then he only needs to swipe up from the bottom and then it takes you straight to the music player again then tap next for the next song, pretty easy really.
The landscape mode for the camera...You have to do that within a certain amount of time as far as I know? I've done it a couple of times already and haven't once missed it, if anything the camera just takes a while to open. However that is NOT the case if the camera is actually already opened in the recent apps.
I don't really understand the screen off though, I have no problem to turn it off when I DO want to turn it off, else I just generally leave it to shut off within a set amount of time.
Oh well to each his own I suppose. The OP clearly wanted the S5 more and went out of his way to find "faults" for the M8 so that he can, at least in his own mind, justify the change.
I'm happy with my M8 though :victory: Awesome phone, first HTC I ever had and I'm glad I decided on buying it. IF only I went for the M7 last year when I "considered" it, instead I chose to stick with my Galaxy S3 and trusty Nokia N9
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Reported as it seems to me as a phone comparison thread which are forbidden on xda.
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Is phone comparison against policy? I think they should be allowed in the general section. In the At&t note 2 section they have a note vs any other/upgrade thread. I can see if it is in the Dev section
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Samsung lost me with Knox and slow updates. Yeah HTC has a unlock Dev which clearly states you void warranty but at least it's upfront. Only reason why I got this was because it had GPE. I only left the nexus 5 because I was unimpressed with battery. Amazing how a slightly better battery makes a world of difference
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Oh well to each his own I suppose. The OP clearly wanted the S5 more and went out of his way to find "faults" for the M8 so that he can, at least in his own mind, justify the change.
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It's not exactly fair for you to say what I did or did not want.
I actually wanted the M8, and would have chosen it but for the reasons I stated. These are issues that I encountered over and over and over. They weren't imaginary. They are/were deal breakers. I would love to not have to root the device in order to potentially have a reasonable way to turn the screen off one handed.
Are they small issues? In the overall scope of phone ownership, yes, I suppose so. I think that's more a testament to how good the M8 is in many respects. For example, notice that it was not the camera that made my decision. It was one of the little things.
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It's not exactly fair for you to say what I did or did not want.
I actually wanted the M8, and would have chosen it but for the reasons I stated. These are issues that I encountered over and over and over. They weren't imaginary. They are/were deal breakers. I would love to not have to root the device in order to potentially have a reasonable way to turn the screen off one handed.
Are they small issues? In the overall scope of phone ownership, yes, I suppose so. I think that's more a testament to how good the M8 is in many respects. For example, notice that it was not the camera that made my decision. It was one of the little things.
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I think it was though... The fact that you compared what you found to be wrong with something that does not have those same "faults" already shows your justfications at work, I've been there...Not hating on you because of it though, your money, your device, your choice. I'm not going to tell you NOT to do something.
You can't turn off screen fast enough, I actually want screen to be on for just a little longer, let it shut itself off when the phone is not in use.
You can't get to music fast enough, I actually figure that if I already listened to 15seconds of that nonsense song, another 2seconds isn't going to kill me, I'll change to the next song on my time. Better yet, why not remove that crap song completely that way it can go on and do its own thing playing music that I actually want to listen to.
You can't turn screen on fast enough, one swipe from the bottom up is fast enough for me to get to the app I was already using(Be it, hangouts, bbm, music doesn't matter).
Like I said though, to each his own, the things that bother you won't be the same as the things that bother me. I can understand it though so... Good luck :good::highfive:
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Is outdoor visibility - real issue or no?

Can anyone comment on this topic? Reviews on sites seem to really knock the outdoor visibility with these watches so I just wanted some opinions from some real users. It seems reviews continue to knock these devices but a lot of individual reviews from users on sites seem to praise the device and people just seem real happy with them. What's your guys take on this? I'm going to be picking up the Gear Live but it seems both have this issue.
Also for any Gear users, feel free to chime in about the charging method. That seems to be talked about a lot as well but sometimes you never know with these official review sites. I value actual users opinions more.
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Can anyone comment on this topic? Reviews on sites seem to really knock the outdoor visibility with these watches so I just wanted some opinions from some real users. It seems reviews continue to knock these devices but a lot of individual reviews from users on sites seem to praise the device and people just seem real happy with them. What's your guys take on this? I'm going to be picking up the Gear Live but it seems both have this issue.
Also for any Gear users, feel free to chime in about the charging method. That seems to be talked about a lot as well but sometimes you never know with these official review sites. I value actual users opinions more.
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All the reviews that state the watch face is hard to see outside are stupid. It's obviously hard to see when the screen is dimmed, but as soon as you tilt your wrist and the screen turn on you can see it perfectly even in the brightest sunlight.
Yeah I figured a lot of them over exaggerate that topic. I mean my phone is hard to see in direct sunlight. These types of screens will always be difficult.
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Yeah I figured a lot of them over exaggerate that topic. I mean my phone is hard to see in direct sunlight. These types of screens will always be difficult.
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If your phone is hard to see in sunlight that sucks, my S5 is perfectly bright and easy as hell to see. But my Gear Live definitely is not a problem what so ever in sunlight, I love it.
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If your phone is hard to see in sunlight that sucks, my S5 is perfectly bright and easy as hell to see. But my Gear Live definitely is not a problem what so ever in sunlight, I love it.
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It's not bad, but of course it's not the same as if it was cloudy out. There is no phone where the visibility isn't slightly decreased in the direct sun. But we can still see the phone to use most importantly. But regardless, that is good to know about the gear live. I really want this watch. How do you feel about the charger port? Everyone keeps saying wait for the 360, but you know what, its August 1st and no announcement has been made. I'm tired of waiting and want to join in on the fun.
I honestly have no problem wit my S5 in direct bright as hell sunlight... But I love it personally. Got a messaging app for wear and now I barely use my phone for texting haha. Charging is painless IMO, I don't get the big deal people have with it.
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I honestly have no problem wit my S5 in direct bright as hell sunlight... But I love it personally. Got a messaging app for wear and now I barely use my phone for texting haha. Charging is painless IMO, I don't get the big deal people have with it.
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Thanks for the info. Just need my best but to get them in.
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I find performance in the rain to be more of an issue.
While trying to track my rides with Strava the rain often closes the app, swipes away cards and generally plays hell with the watch.
There are a couple of screen lock apps but then you can't actually unlock the screen with wet fingers.
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I find performance in the rain to be more of an issue.
While trying to track my rides with Strava the rain often closes the app, swipes away cards and generally plays hell with the watch.
There are a couple of screen lock apps but then you can't actually unlock the screen with wet fingers.
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Ah that's an interesting point. I wonder if a screen protector would help at all. thanks for the input btw.
Been checking my best buy and it seems they're all starting to get them in.
tu3218 said:
Ah that's an interesting point. I wonder if a screen protector would help at all. thanks for the input btw.
Been checking my best buy and it seems they're all starting to get them in.
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How would a screen protector help? Water is simply highly conductive so that's why the watch goes all crazy. Only way to avoid it is to keep it dry or at least make sure there is no water connecting the touch screen with your skin
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How would a screen protector help? Water is simply highly conductive so that's why the watch goes all crazy. Only way to avoid it is to keep it dry or at least make sure there is no water connecting the touch screen with your skin
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It was just a suggestion. Some screen protectors actually decrease the sensitivity of the screen. We Dont notice it really but maybe it would help prevent a couple rain drops from messing with the screen. Doesn't matter though lol. Not sure how in the future they can correct this besides your suggestions.
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It was just a suggestion. Some screen protectors actually decrease the sensitivity of the screen. We Dont notice it really but maybe it would help prevent a couple rain drops from messing with the screen. Doesn't matter though lol. Not sure how in the future they can correct this besides your suggestions.
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Theres a few phones that are actually designed for you to be able to use underwater. When they recognize water they change the input method from capacitive to pressure I doubt anyone is going to do that on the watch though. And about the screen protectors: If they lower the sensitivity you will run into problems when it's not raining xD
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Theres a few phones that are actually designed for you to be able to use underwater. When they recognize water they change the input method from capacitive to pressure I doubt anyone is going to do that on the watch though. And about the screen protectors: If they lower the sensitivity you will run into problems when it's not raining xD
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Oh wow that's awesome! Maybe that'll eventually be implemented to the same extent how it took awhile for 1080p screens to be used in phones.
My main concern at this point seems to be the charger port.
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My main concern at this point seems to be the charger port.
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Well that obviously has to be protected by a rubber cap of some sort ^^
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Well that obviously has to be protected by a rubber cap of some sort ^^
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huh? I'm talking about how the piece is known to break easily. Not sure if that is just poorly made equipment or just made well for aggressive people lol
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huh? I'm talking about how the piece is known to break easily. Not sure if that is just poorly made equipment or just made well for aggressive people lol
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Who manages to break his charging port?? Haha I have never known anyone, but well if that's an issue xD
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Who manages to break his charging port?? Haha I have never known anyone, but well if that's an issue xD
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Well clearly you haven't read any reviews on the gear live then lol Cause its posted in like every review. Talking about the flimsy plastic piece that mounts onto the watch.
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Well clearly you haven't read any reviews on the gear live then lol
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lol you're right I haven't. Glad I have the G watch
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lol you're right I haven't. Glad I have the G watch
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I thought about the G watch but absolute no best buy has that in stock. So sense they're basically the same watch, I'll just opt in for the cheaper one. Plus at night when my watch is displaying the time, I just want the time to light up. Don't like the idea that the whole screen still lights up. But I still want to try the G watch. Maybe they'll get them in at some point.
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I thought about the G watch but absolute no best buy has that in stock. So sense they're basically the same watch, I'll just opt in for the cheaper one. Plus at night when my watch is displaying the time, I just want the time to light up. Don't like the idea that the whole screen still lights up. But I still want to try the G watch. Maybe they'll get them in at some point.
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That sucks, my nearby Best Buys all have plenty in stock (last I looked a few days ago). Why not just order one from the website? The only real reason I went with the G Watch is because of the magnetic charger...much, much better than the Live's. I do wish it had an OLED display though. But this is just supposed to hold me over to the moto360, provided it doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

Fingerprint Problems - Can it even be fixed with a future software update?

Yesterday my fingerprint was working about 90% of the time, today it's complete trash.
Also there is a setting in the phone where it will completely wipe and factory reset your device after 15 failed attempts. With this crappy scanner it's a good thing to uncheck this option before your phone gets wiped.
Can this problem even be fixed with a future software update or is it flawed hardware?
Not too happy about a $1,600. phone with a crappy fingerprint scanner.
Don't worry about the factory wiping aft 15 attempts. The phone will ask you for an alternate method (pin or pattern) to unlock the phone once the 5th fingerprint attempt fails.
I think Samsung will improve it with future updates, but not by much.
I would not hold out much hope for an improvement. If you want to see improvement you need to do three things:
1. You need to enroll your primary finger at least 2, ideally 3 times.
2. When you are enrolling your finger, don't follow the instructions to move your finger around, rather just naturally grip your device as you would when you grab your phone to unlock it, and only scan that way.
3. This is the most contentious one, but probably the biggest difference. Do not use any screen protector at all. Any physical barrier is a sound barrier, and therefore an ultrasonic sensor will perform worse the more layers of stuff there is on top of it.
dhorgas said:
I would not hold out much hope for an improvement. If you want to see improvement you need to do three things:
1. You need to enroll your primary finger at least 2, ideally 3 times.
2. When you are enrolling your finger, don't follow the instructions to move your finger around, rather just naturally grip your device as you would when you grab your phone to unlock it, and only scan that way.
3. This is the most contentious one, but probably the biggest difference. Do not use any screen protector at all. Any physical barrier is a sound barrier, and therefore an ultrasonic sensor will perform worse the more layers of stuff there is on top of it.
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I tried this once I got the phone enrolled my finger twice... problem solved..
One thing that the fingerprint sensor does not do well with, for some bizarre reason, is dry skin. If you have really dry fingers or the weather is very dry causing you to have dry fingertips, the sensor is definitely more prone to failure when scanning.
I also found one bug just a few minutes ago. If you have a Bixby routine running with widgets, you are required to unlock your phone to see the widgets, but the fingerprint sensor us disabled in this mode and needs you to explicitly press the unlock option before it will even scan.
A completely dry finger is the main problem. Try licking your finger and then try to unlock the phone. It would unlock the phone extremely fast and easy.
I don't know how this can be improved with a software update...
Fyi I am using the preinstalled screen protector. I agree that it would work much better without it. But I am afraid to leave the screen unprotected... What do you think?
madvinegar said:
A completely dry finger is the main problem. Try licking your finger and then try to unlock the phone. It would unlock the phone extremely fast and easy.
I don't know how this can be improved with a software update...
Fyi I am using the preinstalled screen protector. I agree that it would work much better without it. But I am afraid to leave the screen unprotected... What do you think?
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lol,... and since the flu season isn't over yet, remember to wash your hands thoroughly before licking your fingers to avoid catching any bugs. Sorry, I know it's not that funny to deal with the fp sensor, it's just ridiculous. I personally went through that before sending it back and getting S10e. "my life is much better now..." :laugh:
Follow this, I get it 99% of the time.
$1,600. phone and I have to lick my finger to unlock the damn thing.
Guys it may seem stupid but I was reading a post about the S10+ fingerprint sensor and think I have the way it was supposed to be used figured out. They described using it as jabbing the screen
WHy wouldnt you use face unlock?
barbs666 said:
WHy wouldnt you use face unlock?
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Because it's not supposed to be used on this device, it's unsafe and the S10 doesn't have an Iris scanner anymore, it will get fooled by a simple picture.
felloffthetruck said:
$1,600. phone and I have to lick my finger to unlock the damn thing.
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This comment made my day :laugh::laugh::laugh:
Corv0 said:
Because it's not supposed to be used on this device, it's unsafe and the S10 doesn't have an Iris scanner anymore, it will get fooled by a simple picture.
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Oh bugger, I was hanging to get this phone, but seems like alot ofannoying rushed out features..... god I hope its all fixed by updates in the near future!
Makes me want to keep using my s7E!
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$1,600. phone and I have to lick my finger to unlock the damn thing.
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Don't worry. Once the S11 comes out the FPS issues will be history and you will also get Android 10 plus the latest security patch, or at the very least one that's no more than 3 months old. That will be $2000 please.
mzsquared said:
lol,... and since the flu season isn't over yet, remember to wash your hands thoroughly before licking your fingers to avoid catching any bugs. Sorry, I know it's not that funny to deal with the fp sensor, it's just ridiculous. I personally went through that before sending it back and getting S10e. "my life is much better now..." :laugh:
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Yes, I meant just for testing purposes...
barbs666 said:
Oh bugger, I was hanging to get this phone, but seems like alot ofannoying rushed out features..... god I hope its all fixed by updates in the near future!
Makes me want to keep using my s7E!
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Rushed out? What are you even talking about?
They clearly specified that Android's face unlock is crap and it should be deleted, except Samsung never deletes stock android features, just don't touch it and use the bloody world's most advanced fingerprint authentication.
Try keeping hands moisturized with lotion instead of spitting :crying:. i use a lot of alcohol at work which dries my fingers out. after using lotion finger print worked a lot better. Keep Moisturized boys and girls lol
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$1,600. phone and I have to lick my finger to unlock the damn thing.
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Definitely a two step security thing. Now your wife / husband has to lick your finger first for unlocking your device while you're sleeping
Guys, very good tip that actually works great. Watch the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsN0HAGL-94

[Q] How good is the fingerprint reader?

Not how convenient is the placement - I can tell that in store, what I can't tell and most reviews doen't mention is mean how quickly and reliably does it recognise your fingerprint and how often does it miss, particularly are there any circumstances under which it consistently has trouble?
My current phone is a Galaxy S8, before that I had a Pixel. I plan on getting a new one in the next month or so, short listed to Galaxy S10+ or Pixel3 XL. One of my favourite things about the Pixel is the fingerprint reader, which worked pretty much first time, every time - when I picked it up the phone was unlocked by the time I was looking at the screen. The S8 not so much; I can work around the smaller, less well placed reader but it often has trouble reading my finger print. I've reregistered, rebooted, cleaned the reader etc many times, to no effect, it still has trouble particularly if my hands are cold (for a certain value of cold, never below freezing around here), skin is dry, skin is wet etc...
My partner has my old pixel, I still have a fingerprint registered on it and the pixel still consistently reads it first time, even when the S8 can't.
For me this is one of the make or break features on a phone, it's not covered in reviews and will be hard to test in store, so I'm asking this community - how good is the fingerprint reader on this phone?
(I'm posting this on both the Pixel 3XL and S10+ forums, apologies to those who follow both)
Honestly it works fine for me, but i dont use it much, I use the face unluck, any reason why you guys prefer fingerprint over face unluck ?
Raul77 said:
Honestly it works fine for me, but i dont use it much, I use the face unluck, any reason why you guys prefer fingerprint over face unluck ?
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Yeah, they implemented the ultrasound sensor to make sure this type of authentication can't be attacked.
Face unlock is a flawed method and this phone doesn't even have the hardware to do a proper face authentication, it can be fooled by a picture.
Samsung should have disabled it but chose not to remove any stock Android features, so it is still present.
Regarding my experience with the fp sensor, it took some time to get used to the position but once that happened it's pretty much 10/10, definitely the fastest scanner I ever tried.
It is very sensitive to how you register it the first time, you need to register it in a natural position and it will work perfectly.
Fingerprint is very inconsistent for me. I've tried every method for success and it's just very hit and miss. I really use face unlock more just for my own convenience. I know it's really not secure but my phone never is never far away.
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Fingerprint is very inconsistent for me. I've tried every method for success and it's just very hit and miss. I really use face unlock more just for my own convenience. I know it's really not secure but my phone never is never far away.
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This.
Face unlock is basically all I use. Miss the note 9 and my pixel 3 xl fingerprint sensor dearly!
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You should ask how bad is the finger print unlocked instead how good. For me need two or three to unlock the screen
I really wish they would have left it on the back. It was flawless back there on my s8 plus. I love everything else on the phone but that. If it was more reliable this would be a non issue
When you get used to it, it's still only like 80% accurate. Randomly it will unlock super fast and other times it fails alot. It's really average.
I'd say about 90% but it is getting better. I haven't installed my white stone dome glass and currently using zaggs. I think more people are having trouble finding the sensor and placing their finger on top of it. Try turning the screen on to see where you need to hit and get use to it. After I've learned where it is, unlocking using fp has significantly improved at least through this screen protector
I was having issues until I added an additional finger but kept it the same one I have setup already. Now it works flawlessly.
When I initially got my phone (2 days before release) I registered my fingerprints ASAP. I did each finger twice and it worked alright, not the greatest but I assumed it was just a learning curve and muscle memory that I had to develop. I installed the newest update (ASBA) and it didn't seem to improve, initially. I removed my fingerprints and added them back, this time only once per finger and it honestly works better than before. I didn't do anything special when I deleted and added them again. I wonder if the fingerprints need to be added again after the ASBA update to actually benefit from the improved fingerprint recognition, as it appears that way for myself.
Fingerprints that are added on the s10 & s10+ get better over time with some ai trickery, google search s10 fingerprint ai, theres a sammobile read up...
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In my S10+ is as bad as my A7 2017, I mostly use Face Unlock with "faster recognition " disabled, with that option off it won't be fooled with a picture anymore.
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When I initially got my phone (2 days before release) I registered my fingerprints ASAP. I did each finger twice and it worked alright, not the greatest but I assumed it was just a learning curve and muscle memory that I had to develop. I installed the newest update (ASBA) and it didn't seem to improve, initially. I removed my fingerprints and added them back, this time only once per finger and it honestly works better than before. I didn't do anything special when I deleted and added them again. I wonder if the fingerprints need to be added again after the ASBA update to actually benefit from the improved fingerprint recognition, as it appears that way for myself.
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I re registered them again after the update, and its like lightning now!!! THX!:highfive:
Outbreak444 said:
When I initially got my phone (2 days before release) I registered my fingerprints ASAP. I did each finger twice and it worked alright, not the greatest but I assumed it was just a learning curve and muscle memory that I had to develop. I installed the newest update (ASBA) and it didn't seem to improve, initially. I removed my fingerprints and added them back, this time only once per finger and it honestly works better than before. I didn't do anything special when I deleted and added them again. I wonder if the fingerprints need to be added again after the ASBA update to actually benefit from the improved fingerprint recognition, as it appears that way for myself.
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iteam said:
I re registered them again after the update, and its like lightning now!!! THX!:highfive:
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Had never issues with fingerprint reader. As I wrote somewhere else, best thing is to press softly when registering it and touch the sensor sometimes more right, left, up and down as you usually don´t hit the sensor exactly in the center in daily use. Anyway there was a little latency until screen woke up and maybe in one of ten cases it didn't work at the first time.
Now I did what you suggested. I deleted the former fingerprint and set a new one. And it´s not only some kind of feeling, it´s indeed much better now. Latency nearly has gone and the fingerprint recognition works absolutely perfect now. So thanks a lot for your advise. Obviously it is not the "AI" of the device but the "user intelligence" Samsung is learning from. The recent update did it - fixed it. Great now, thanks!!!!
It basically sucks. Anyone that says they have no problem with it are full of SH*T
Not very good.
felloffthetruck said:
It basically sucks. Anyone that says they have no problem with it are full of SH*T
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I agree with you, is crap, I have to touch several times and if my skin is dry because of the climate compared to when I registered the fingerprints (much less climate), much worse.
citytrader said:
I agree with you, is crap, I have to touch several times and if my skin is dry because of the climate compared to when I registered the fingerprints (much less climate), much worse.
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I'd say that's the biggest issue. It has difficulty recognizing your finger when it is dry (and that is according to the climate). When I registered them initially it worked great because my hands were slightly more humid.
At times I have to rub my hands on my hair or something to get it to recognize the fingerprint. There has to be something that Samsung can do to fix this. Especially given that this is the only secure method to unlock your phone.
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It basically sucks. Anyone that says they have no problem with it are full of SH*T
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Maybe you're actually just a reptile, or alien race? Honestly, I have no problems at all with the scanner. I don't understand what the people who do have the problems are doing because IMO it has to be user error. I'm not saying it's flawless, but I never have to re-attempt a scan more than once. Which is pretty much on par with how often I'd need to retry with my S8+.
Now, I don't use a tempered glass protector, only the factory one that came with it so that might be an issue some people face. But honestly, everyone who wines about the fingerprint scanner are probably just too stupid to use it properly or something.

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