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[Q] Is it only my Acer Iconia A500?

Hey guys, I just got my Iconia a couple days ago, and out of the box I noticed, but i was not sure if it was a problem. When the screen is turned off, can you guys see like braids/patterns on the screen? It is like two triangles with their tips put together and placed into columns.

that is the digitizer or w/e. Makes the touch screen work. Nothing to worry about.

msimindlessmsi2 said:
that is the digitizer or w/e. Makes the touch screen work. Nothing to worry about.
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Oh ok, thanks, bc I have a BB PB as well, and it did not have it. And I have owned a TF, iPad 2, and TP and it did not have any of this design on the screen, so I was just wondering... It is not much of a bother, minus watching a movie in daylight, but nothing serious.

its actually visible in all devices in the right light and at the right angle

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its actually visible in all devices in the right light and at the right angle
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Oh ok, because this is the first time I have seen it, and it is really easy to spot, just put it at a slight angle i the sunlight and it is easily seen. Is this the same with you guy's Iconia?

yes, visible on any touchscreen device. it's the digitizer. sometimes there are dots, sometimes there are triangles or whatever. depends in the digitizer.
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Horrid color distortion at normal viewing angles

Has anyone noticed that the warm colors are only available when looking at the display head on?
Tilting just a few degrees does keep the image sharp, but the colors are much colder...
What im asking is - is this normal, or should i get another?

Well - i just spoke to supercurio, he says its to do with crappy glass treatment, not the panel itself.
Will go and see what else they have at the store tomorrow...

Only a slight change in color for me. Nothing that I would say is an "issue". But, of course, it depends on your personal perception...
What more annoys me is the banding (gradient) and the oversaturated, unnatural colors that I experienced with all AMOLED displays until now. I prefer LC displays...

ftgg99 said:
Has anyone noticed that the warm colors are only available when looking at the display head on?
Tilting just a few degrees does keep the image sharp, but the colors are much colder...
What im asking is - is this normal, or should i get another?
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Well - i just spoke to supercurio, he says its to do with crappy glass treatment, not the panel itself.
Will go and see what else they have at the store tomorrow...
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Seems to be common in Samsung devices but not all exhibit such a bad viewing angle, my Galaxy S and S8500 didnt have any color temperature changes when tilted even at extreme angles while my Galaxy S2 had a slight shift to green, while my note's first screen didnt have any hint of temperature change but after the screen replacement I had a blue tint with really bad viewing angles.
I havent seen how bad it is on the Tab7.7 but im guessing its gonna be similar.
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Found this show case video on the Galaxy Note about the viewing angles, their unit doesnt seem to exhibit any color changes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0we861FoBz0

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Don't let me stop you, just letting you know that its common among samsung devices but not all of them exhibit the same issue, a friend dropped by after getting his tab 7.7 about 2hrs ago and there is no color change at an angle, so yours might be faulty.

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Man I don't post too often but you've gotta relax a little bit, take a chill pill.
The other guy does have a point in saying that its common to all Samsung devices especially the Galaxy S line of devices. I've had a Galaxy S2 that had color temperature change when viewed from an angle and even my current nexus does it.
I got my galaxy tab 7.7 2 weeks ago and I'm very happy to say that it does not have any temperature color change even viewed at an extreme angle.
And this guy did an unboxing and also mentioned that he has no color changes when viewed from an angle as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rha2jJXCy8M
I hope you find my "opinion" relevant but whatever, relax and chill out.
Also he did add to his post that he saw a friend Tab 7.7 and it didn't have the color change that you mentioned.

Flightless said:
Man I don't post too often but you've gotta relax a little bit, take a chill pill.
The other guy does have a point in saying that its common to all Samsung devices especially the Galaxy S line of devices. I've had a Galaxy S2 that had color temperature change when viewed from an angle and even my current nexus does it.
I got my galaxy tab 7.7 2 weeks ago and I'm very happy to say that it does not have any temperature color change even viewed at an extreme angle.
And this guy did an unboxing and also mentioned that he has no color changes when viewed from an angle as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rha2jJXCy8M
I hope you find my "opinion" relevant but whatever, relax and chill out.
Also he did add to his post that he saw a friend Tab 7.7 and it didn't have the color change that you mentioned.
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Right, ill try to take it easy. But you might want to think why opinions about "Samsung devices" are completely irrelevant...
You might also like to read the op, look at my profile page and signature and make some deductions regarding the entire reasoning process as well.
And thank you for the strait, relevant answer. Its appreciated.

Flightless said:
I got my galaxy tab 7.7 2 weeks ago and I'm very happy to say that it does not have any temperature color change even viewed at an extreme angle.
And this guy did an unboxing and also mentioned that he has no color changes when viewed from an angle as well
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That you notice.
This would be the first OLED or any screen (LCD obviously is bad for this) that doesn't change a bit when viewed off axis then. I have seen the Note, the Infuse, and even Zune HD screens and they all shift a bit when viewed at an angle. I would be very suprised if this did't shift at all but I suppose it may be possible.

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That you notice.
This would be the first OLED or any screen (LCD obviously is bad for this) that doesn't change a bit when viewed off axis then. I have seen the Note, the Infuse, and even Zune HD screens and they all shift a bit when viewed at an angle. I would be very suprised if this did't shift at all but I suppose it may be possible.
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Look at the video posted above on the note, it does not have any color temperature change as far as I can tell. Before I had my screen replacement it was similar to that.

Just bought three more for the office, all with perfect screens. The first was a dud, store took it back after some cajoling.
Thanks for the help.

No colour change with mine. Best screen I've have ever looked at.
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I also took mine back because it turned blue when i looked at it at a small angle. New one is not perfect either, still distorting way more than screen on my lcd 8.9 though.
I wonder how many people just dont realise that small color distorion is normal and never complain and how many actually haver crappy screens (since i assume they are pretty much the same manufacture date)?

fafrehugen said:
I also took mine back because it turned blue when i looked at it at a small angle. New one is not perfect either, still distorting way more than screen on my lcd 8.9 though.
I wonder how many people just dont realise that small color distorion is normal and never complain and how many actually haver crappy screens (since i assume they are pretty much the same manufacture date)?
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I also wonder what you're doing with your tablets... When I'm using mine I'm holding in front of me, I don't tilt it at 78.5 degrees only to see that physics does its job with the glass filtering/separating colours at certain angles through reflections between the two glass surfaces.
You can't just have everything: a super-tough screen glass, brilliant colours, high resolution, crisp sharpness, 180 degrees viewing angles in every direction.... Be happy with the best screen in a tablet so far!
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I also wonder what you're doing with your tablets... When I'm using mine I'm holding in front of me, I don't tilt it at 78.5 degrees only to see that physics does its job with the glass filtering/separating colours at certain angles through reflections between the two glass surfaces.
You can't just have everything: a super-tough screen glass, brilliant colours, high resolution, crisp sharpness, 180 degrees viewing angles in every direction.... Be happy with the best screen in a tablet so far!
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Actually you can. My very first 7500 was PERFECT. As was an excellent Incredible S i owned.
Ive now seen 4 of these and none had what i would call a good screen compared to the LCD in my first 7500. Changing up to 170 degrees on it only affects the brightness not the pixels visible color temperatures.

Request: Someone with a White Note Please post a pix of it

if any of you have a digital camera and white galaxy note, can you please post a picture of plain white display (via LCD Test *#0*#) in low brightness. Please let me know. thank you all in advance.

Here you go. Hopefully the file attaches (I think it may be too large).
Oh, it looks like it may have downsized it. Let me know if you need more detail.

Is that dirt or a dead pixels on that image?
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Must have been specs of dust. I checked just now and they're not there.

PAGOT said:
Is that dirt or a dead pixels on that image?
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I bet you almost gave him a heart attack

LordManhattan said:
I bet you almost gave him a heart attack
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hahahahahaha

Thanks a lot! Do you have a screen protector applied on top of that? I see something that looks like mura lines. I'm sure those are not mura lines but the way the camera was focused on the screen. Also that display brightness was set to the lowest, right?
It would be great to see more users contribute to this thread. I'm making a tally to convince myself to buy a White note. My black note was serviced several times due to screen issues, and am getting a refund. Not letting go of the note just yet.
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Here you go. Hopefully the file attaches (I think it may be too large).
Oh, it looks like it may have downsized it. Let me know if you need more detail.
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don't know if my eyes are playing me, I do see a couple of horizontal lines, I don't know if that is due to the screen protector or the angle the picture was taken from, don't wanna scare you, but I am hoping that the next wave of batches have a better production like the S2.

The witch hunt continues
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Always Positive...
However, you can definitely appreciate the fact that the White Note has a better display than the Black. Horizontal lines or not, they definitely display less on the White compared to the Black. Hope to see more pictures soon!

SAlmighty said:
Thanks a lot! Do you have a screen protector applied on top of that? I see something that looks like mura lines. I'm sure those are not mura lines but the way the camera was focused on the screen. Also that display brightness was set to the lowest, right?
It would be great to see more users contribute to this thread. I'm making a tally to convince myself to buy a White note. My black note was serviced several times due to screen issues, and am getting a refund. Not letting go of the note just yet.
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No screen protector. And yes, I set the brightness all the way down before I took that photo.
I think if you're seeing a moire pattern it may be because of the difference in resolution between the reduced-resolution image and your monitor. I'm looking at the original photo in Photoshop and when I zoom in and out I see changing moire patterns at certain zoom levels, but don't notice anything when I look at it zoomed in at 100%, or even at 50%. And of course I don't see any moire pattern when looking at the phone itself.
Oh, and the brighter area in the lower left of the photo is my hand's reflection.
I do, however, see faint horizontal (vertical in this photo) banding on the screen when looking at the phone. I couldn't say whether it's any better or worse than the black/carbon blue version, as I've never seen one. I'd describe the banding as very faint, but visible if you're looking hard for it. And when looking at a blank white screen like this, I also have a general sense that not every part of the screen is quite the same level of brightness. Again, not major, but noticeable when looking at a solid white screen.

You'd need to reduce the brightness further with Screen Adjuster from the market. The basic brightness setting at 0% is probably only at 50% of what the screen is actually at. So you can go much dimmer to reveal the manufacturing process.
Learn to live with it. The marks don't affect the functionality of the screen. While I have noticeable marks on the bottom right half of the corner and vertical streaks, I don't let it deter me from enjoying this elegant piece of tech!

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However, you can definitely appreciate the fact that the White Note has a better display than the Black. Horizontal lines or not, they definitely display less on the White compared to the Black. Hope to see more pictures soon!
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That is bollocks My new white 32 GB Note has a much worse display than my former two blue 16 GB. Think I gonna send it back so that the white has a better display is pure dreams

I just ordered my white note today. Looking forward to it arriving on my doorstep tomorrow!

guys make sure to turnoff AUTO ADJUST SCREEN POWER in display options.
i have black unit and i done lcd test on low brightness.no lines or anything.
if you have to download app to lower brightness even more to see defect.then something is wrong with u.because ur looking for reasons to find some kind of defect.everything is not perfect.if u cant see it on normal use,then its good piece.

Nexus 4 annoying visible IPS sensors

Hey guys,
I've had my nexus 4 for a week now and I am super pleased by it. The phone runs like a dream.
The only issue I seem to be having is that I can see the IPS sensors even with the screen on!.
I'm talking about the little transparent-gray squares all over it, not about the super awesome dots that you can see with direct sunlight.
This is flipping me out!
Is anybody else having this problem with it?
I can't appreciate the beautiful screen because of this.
Also, when displaying single color frames specially dark ones, like on the clock app , the colors are not really solid.
I get this vertical stripes that are approximate to the color but not quite it.
Im posting a screenshot but I don't think that youll be able to notice it since it may be a hardware problem.
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That's a hardware thing, not visible in screenshots. You'd need to take an actual picture.
Are you referring to the dot grid that is visible in direct sunlight? Everyone has is. It's because of the fact that the screen is integrated into the glass.
I think it looks kind of cool but that might just be me.
Edit: Gotta read the whole thread first I guess you're not talking about the dots. I have no idea what you're talking about then.
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Question to the OP. Do YOU see anything wrong with those images, or is it a hardware problem? I can't see any difference between your screen shots and my phone.

Damn it man, now i see them too -.-
I went to the clock app, and i can see some stripes on the left but mine are vertical.

kcls said:
That's a hardware thing, not visible in screenshots. You'd need to take an actual picture.
Are you referring to the dot grid that is visible in direct sunlight? Everyone has is. It's because of the fact that the screen is integrated into the glass.
I think it looks kind of cool but that might just be me.
Edit: Gotta read the whole thread first I guess you're not talking about the dots. I have no idea what you're talking about then.
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Hello after using my nexus for almost 2 weeks today i noticed some vertical line (of Dots) on my screen under direct sunlight...these dots very moving and can be seen with screen off also..
is there any thing to worry..

ramkumar2000 said:
Hello after using my nexus for almost 2 weeks today i noticed some vertical line (of Dots) on my screen under direct sunlight...these dots very moving and can be seen with screen off also..
is there any thing to worry..
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Haha Dude that's the digitizer. Don't worry. It's all cool.

Chill out people.. Its just the digitizer that you can see, so close to the screen for better touchscreen responsiveness. The most likely reason you can still see it with your device screen on is that you have your brightness too low.. Put it up

even amoled screen are also the same

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even amoled screen are also the same
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When I first got my Nexus4 the weird screen was the first thing that popped out at me. Between the visible digitizer matrix that glints when it catches the sun wrong, to the odd rectangles that can be seen behind the screen I was initially bummed and thought about returning the phone. It doesn't even bother me anymore
This is my 8th android device and the first one that has a funky screen like this, but it really isnt a big deal. Under 95 percent of conditions it looks really nice

I have been able to see the digitizer on every single capacitive screen i have ever owned.

@David_Azar I have to agree.. initially I was disgusted by how prominent the digitzer pattern was, I've never had ANY screen show it as much as the Nexus 4 does.
However, the vertical stripes you're referencing is commonly referred to as "banding". I have this on my Nexus 4 as well, most visible on grays (especially darker grays).
I have been doing some research and I believe the banding issue will reduce over time. If you check your screen when displaying a white background at max brightness, such as gmail or chrome browser, you should see a slight yellowing of the whites. It appears this can be due to the adhesive they used to glue the digitizer to the screen not curing completely. After several weeks of use, the heat from the processor will help cure the adhesive causing the yellow to disappear after a while.
I cannot say for certain that it will completely resolve the banding issue, but I have noticed that the worst banding is in the areas where the yellow tint is most prominent. I have also been testing my display every day to monitor any changes, and I am happy to report I do see a minor reduction in both the yellowing and banding (I've only had my Nexus 4 for five days so far).
Give it a couple of weeks, run some intensive games to get the processor to heat up every day. Keep brightness at max for the next few weeks and let us know if you see any improvements.
As for the pattern of the digitizer in the glass.. it's not going anywhere so get used to it. I don't like it much either but it seems to be less prominent once you start becoming used to it.
Good luck, let us know how it goes

Hey man,
Curiously enough I've never had the yellow tints everybody's complaining about. I'm used to The digitizer matrix ( rectangles) buy at first it was really weird. I was coming from a non HD display ( a RAZR Maxx) so naturally, I expected that my N4 would have a perfect screen.
I've had my N4 for almost two months now and the banding has not reduced. I made some research over the last month and I found that with some kernel settings for saturation the banding is reduced. I'm not sure if it is really reduced or the clear gray tones that have the banding just don't appear anymore because of the saturation.
The Trinity kernel reduces this a bit but like I said, your screen will look life a f*** ing AMOLED.
Right now I'm using the kernel provided by the 123 FAUX CLOCK project. I'm using the LG factory presets and for the most part I'm really happy with the screen. If you or anybody else comes up with a different solution, let others know on this thread.
Peace brothers.
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Just for kicks, if you stop by a T-mobile location compare your screen with the display model and see if you can spot the yellow tint on either screen (on a white background)
I will update this thread with my phone's progress (or lack thereof if it stops improving).

I get banding issues also, more noticeable in grey backgrounds; but I can I see them in other colors if I look hard enough
I use a dark black theme to avoid looking at those bands

I can say this. I've had a ton of devices..latest was s3 and I'll just say I'm stoked to have IPS over pen tile. Just knowing HD was plagued by this alone was enough for me to ditch Sammy all together especially after seeing rgb on note 2 was no better. This is my opinion of Samsung's design ...I know why they chose it but I can't and won't buy another amoled until they get another tech in order. So now I say kudos on IPS but I'm surely a screen purest and I found these hardware screen/digitizer artifacts you speak of and to me its so much less noticeable. Your not alone. You just like good clean HD like me. Lol HTC one should be a nice one to check out...
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That would be a little like kicking myself in the nuts. Nothing good can come out of that.
If I spot the yellow tints once, then I will always look for it. I hate doing that with the banding but it's an automatic thing.
I dunno why but it really bums me out whenever I have a problem with my phone.
Let's keep posting of someone finds a solution or something .
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I've got the quite visible digitizer rectangles too. In anything less than a dark room if the phone is not on a perfect angle they are visible.
I can't really tell if "everyone's" is like that, or just some are "worse" than others.
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Here's an image with them visible with the screen on (and at an angle) - difficult to take a photo of - but much easier to see with the naked eye.
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Few more with the screen off.

sargorn said:
I've got the quite visible digitizer rectangles too. In anything less than a dark room if the phone is not on a perfect angle they are visible.
I can't really tell if "everyone's" is like that, or just some are "worse" than others.
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Here's an image with them visible with the screen on (and at an angle) - difficult to take a photo of - but much easier to see with the naked eye.
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Went and checked out an Optimus G today (Nexus 4 isn't actually released in Japan). Given that a Nexus 4 is just a remodeled Optimus G I thought it'd be worth comparing screens. The digitizer matrix is barely visible on the G I was looking at with the screen OFF. With it on you could almost see it at some angles. It is much more visible on my Nexus 4 which you can almost always see with the screen off and at an angle and often with the screen on.
I'm leaning towards my phone being "less than a perfect example of a Nexus 4" and not the "norm" at the moment.

they are much more noticeable in Rev 11 devices and they where barely visible in Rev 10, i am sure that there is a technical reason behind it

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they are much more noticeable in Rev 11 devices and they where barely visible in Rev 10, i am sure that there is a technical reason behind it
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See that explains it a little more. Not sure I see the logic in putting a screen with pretty decent viewing angles on a device and then sticking a really visible digitizer on it though.
I've contacted the seller and I guess I'll wait and see what they say in regard to it.

[Q] Visible "cells" on screen even when the screen is ON

This is not about the tiny silver dots you can see in certain angles when there is glare on the screen. I sold my 8gb Nexus 4 and bought a 16Gb but the new phone that just arrived has a bunch of vertical lines with 3 small horizontal lines which I assume is the digitizer and it is a self capacitance circuit. The problem is that it is visible ALL the time, from every angle even in dark rooms and while the screen is on. My old 8Gb did not have this problem (just the silver dots), is this enough for an RMA? I'm trying to get used to it but it is really distracting. Here are some pictures:

I would RMA that, that shouldn't look like that.
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Yeah, I'm going to call google and see what they say. Sucks though, the screen had great colors, FAST binned, and running stock got me a score of 19k in Antutu.

I can see that on mine too, it's the LCD matrix. Was similar on my One X as well before I sold it. Doesn't bother me one bit

It's the digitizer. Nothing to worry about.
However, i don't see them when the screen is on.

Nuu~ said:
It's the digitizer. Nothing to worry about.
However, i don't see them when the screen is on.
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I can see it if its a dark sceen, like if I pull down the notifications bar. What kills me is that my old rev10 Nexus 4 doesn't have that.

I emailed Google the picures of the screen and they said that it was defective and setup an RMA. Just wanted to post the result in case anybody has something similar. Thanks everybody.

I have that too, but it doesn't bother me since I only see it on some angles with the screen off. Apparently, from what I understood, it is actually a sign that you have a newer type display without the 'washed out colors' issue.
Please post pics of your replacement N4 when you get it to see if it is any different (I'm somewhat sceptical), since I think many people have this issue.

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I have that too, but it doesn't bother me since I only see it on some angles with the screen off. Apparently, from what I understood, it is actually a sign that you have a newer type display without the 'washed out colors' issue.
Please post pics of your replacement N4 when you get it to see if it is any different (I'm somewhat sceptical), since I think many people have this issue.
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The replacement hasn't shipped yet, will let you know when I get it but this is most certainly a defective screen, the two phones side by side in the first post are both rev11 301k and both arrived about a week apart in february. One has the digitizer marks that are barely visible, only from certain angles(doesnt even show up in the pictures) and when the screen is off, the other one I can see them from 4 feet away. I have to agree on the colors though, the 301k has much better colors compared to my old 211k.

meranto said:
I have that too, but it doesn't bother me since I only see it on some angles with the screen off. Apparently, from what I understood, it is actually a sign that you have a newer type display without the 'washed out colors' issue.
Please post pics of your replacement N4 when you get it to see if it is any different (I'm somewhat sceptical), since I think many people have this issue.
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Replacement just arrived, the digitizer is MUCH less visible. See pic attached.