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[DEV DISCUSSION/Explanation] MIUI

The reason I am writing this thread is because of this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883222
The OP raised his concern regarding Cyanogenmod not being the biggest concerns for the Dev's. But I honestly think that during the times of CM6 the Dev's could have played a bigger role of bringing it to our Vibrant. I know Eugene tried to do something with it, but i think the release of Gingerbread 2.3 made his work not worthwhile because it was based on 2.2.I am aware that CM7 is in"heavy development cycle" due to Gingerbread 2.3, and most likely will be coming to our Vibrant. With that being said, I feel it is necessary because since we were not able to get CM6 to our phones then why not go for MIUI.
Honestly it is one of the greatest ROMS out there and sometimes i feel that our Vibrant should be getting some more love.Keep in mind that I am in no way bashing TW/Eugene or any other Dev's. Their work is nothing short of quality since I have been a very heavy user of both the Nero and Macnut Series. But I am sure that most people wouldn't mind having MIUI on their phones since its the best of both worlds. (Iphone/Android) Also, I wouldn't know the full process porting such a ROM because it is not an easy task and I am in no way a developer. Maybe it is being worked on with a 2.3 Base? Idk? I am just seeking for answers as I am sure most of other people are as well. I really hope that MIUI really comes to our phone and it becomes one of those projects where many Dev's were in the process to port the SenseUI (back in the day). Just trying to make our community better.
For Those who are unaware of MIUI ROM, here's a demo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0U8ISI8YXM
Flame me, Hate me, w.e.. I just think its a debatable subject.
Ty.

What is this? A new trend?

hopefullu for the good.

Here is why, in my opinion.
If 25% of the masses want cm or miui, 25% want 2.2.1, and the rest want 2.3 - 2.3 it will be.
I like miui, I even had a barely working version of it for a little while. But, the guys who use my releases know what they want, those who use TW want their roms bionic, etc for master, eugene et al.
Nowdays, with leaks once a week, I think it will be tough to get a dev to drop everything else and start a port like miui.
But, if I could do it, I would, I think.

jellette said:
Here is why, in my opinion.
If 25% of the masses want cm or miui, 25% want 2.2.1, and the rest want 2.3 - 2.3 it will be.
I like miui, I even had a barely working version of it for a little while. But, the guys who use my releases know what they want, those who use TW want their roms bionic, etc for master, eugene et al.
Nowdays, with leaks once a week, I think it will be tough to get a dev to drop everything else and start a port like miui.
But, if I could do it, I would, I think.
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Wow, that was the exact answer I was looking for. Like I mentioned before I am no Dev and you being here longer than me and more experienced I will take yourword for it. Your also right about these leaks coming very fast. Hopefully after a full port of 2.3 is done maybe just maybe we can get MIUI.
Thx Alot.

Yeah I Was Gonna Start Working On MIUI But I Need A Cyanogen Source, There Isn't One So I Kinda Hit A Wall
Maybe If Jellette Can Send Me What He Started I Can Just Port MIUI

Erickomen27 said:
Yeah I Was Gonna Start Working On MIUI But I Need A Cyanogen Source, There Isn't One So I Kinda Hit A Wall
Maybe If Jellette Can Send Me What He Started I Can Just Port MIUI
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There are some serious problems with it but I think it is still on my computer, I'll let you know
Later.

Its Cool If Theres Some Problems, All I Need Is A Starting Point And I'd Be Able To Go From There

Does any other dev have a working cyanogen source??
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What's MIUI?
Couldn't figure out what MIUI is from this post or the one linked in the OP.

Its A Chineese Rom
Its Basically The Best Rom Ever
I Have It On My Droid Incredible Its Super Quick And Looks Like Iphone Kinda

os2baba said:
Couldn't figure out what MIUI is from this post or the one linked in the OP.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0U8ISI8YXM
Demo of the ROM.

Whats up with the roms lately?

I just wanted to get a feel/consensus on peoples opinion of the third party rom scene for the EVO. I started my XDA days back with a tilt, and have been loyal to HTC since then.
The EVO is simply the best phone out there at the moment, IMO. But the roms seem to be very lacking in actual substance and it's a bit disappointing.
Almost every rom I've looked at here has been so customized and themed they are really just eyesores. It was normal on all my other devices to have some of the roms that were being produced be like this, but not all. I've been really impressed in the past with HTC roms. Dutty is one of my favorites.
The only 2 current exceptions I've found are CM and Fresh, and since some of us refuse to use sense, it really only leaves one choice.
CM is awesome, and the work that goes into it is really really amazing. There isn't a bunch of customization to the UI, it's left up to you what you want to do for how your phone looks. It's a rock solid foundation to build upon, and it would be awesome to see more roms in that form.
Thoughts? Am I missing something?

This is the wrong section, the General section would be the appropriate section for this.

this should be in general, but i agree it seems that lots of roms out there are just customizations of existing roms, a color change here and there. There really isnt anything major to differentiate between sense roms, except for 3 or 4 big ones, and then there is CM rom, and the roms based of CM seem like just themed version of CM, but who knows i mean im not a developer, maybe theres only so much one can do as far as development.

easedrop said:
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The EVO is simply the best phone out there at the moment, IMO. But the roms seem to be very lacking in actual substance and it's a bit disappointing.
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Thoughts? Am I missing something?
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Better get started developing.

What else do you want the ROM's out there to do?:
OC: Check
Undervolt: Check
AOSP Builds: Check
Open Source 4G: Check
De-odex: Check
Wide Variety of Themes: Check
Open Source FM Radio: Check
Wireless Tether: Check
Wired Tether: Check
Gingerbread: Check
AND THE LIST GOES ON...
What I'm trying to say is, unless your speaking specifically about HDMI, there's really not a lot left to be desired that can't be had from these phones until Honeycomb hits.
I mean, CM even supports SIP accounts natively...among the millions of other small details that are so amazing.
Even DLNA can be had through a simple app...what's left for you to want so badly that your phone cannot do already?
My point is, is that most devs are not going start over from scratch just for the heck of it, when something so close to optimum potential has already been reached.
Sent from my 4G-Toting, Lightning Smoking, Gingerfied, Cyanogenmodded EVO: Please stand back!

Itotally disagree. I mean, some, yeah, you're right, but look at the mods done to the more popular roms. Not just theming but tweaks, custome apps, etc.
What more do you want form a ROM?
And while, true, some people are married to CM, some are more into Senseui, some Miui.
Everyone has different tastes, and from what I se eon here, there's something for just about everyone.

Thread moved to General.
As per your questions, devs make roms based on their personal taste and, in many cases, general feedback from the users. There are many plain, stock rooted roms out there, and many tutorials in case you want to make your own as well. Also, you can easily theme any rom to your liking. I hope this answers your concern.

i think the ROM's on the evo are pretty strong. My criteria is, do the majority if not all ROM's improve upon stock? Yes. Do the majority if not all the dev's support their ROM's and upgrade in a timely manner? Yes Do the majority if not all the dev's have themes/mods available for their ROMS? Yes. Are there more than one style of ROM's to choose? YES 1. Sense 2. AOSP - MIUI 3. AOSP - CM 4. AOSP - Liquid metal

easedrop said:
I just wanted to get a feel/consensus on peoples opinion of the third party rom scene for the EVO. I started my XDA days back with a tilt, and have been loyal to HTC since then.
The EVO is simply the best phone out there at the moment, IMO. But the roms seem to be very lacking in actual substance and it's a bit disappointing.
Almost every rom I've looked at here has been so customized and themed they are really just eyesores. It was normal on all my other devices to have some of the roms that were being produced be like this, but not all. I've been really impressed in the past with HTC roms. Dutty is one of my favorites.
The only 2 current exceptions I've found are CM and Fresh, and since some of us refuse to use sense, it really only leaves one choice.
CM is awesome, and the work that goes into it is really really amazing. There isn't a bunch of customization to the UI, it's left up to you what you want to do for how your phone looks. It's a rock solid foundation to build upon, and it would be awesome to see more roms in that form.
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There are way more. Click my signature and you'll see
my EVO is way cooler than yours

Except your link is broken...

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Yes. MIUI.

the OP ... is expectiong way too much....
you do relize for most.. this is a good little hobby..
so is done around free time...
you want more... you do it! I dont have the skills to even try.
I do appreciate the ones that can... and do.
there are a lot of phones out in the market. and not all phones even have a dev community.. and if they do, it aint that big.
so there are different levels of dev support from phone to phone.
EVO, is way up there in the level of quality devs and community support.

Fixed my sig, forgot i changed the link. But there are a Sh*t ton of choices, my count is at 144 thus far

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+1... this.

I've had 4 Android phones:
Evo
G2
MyTouch 3g Slide
Moto Cliq
This forum has more roms, kernels, mods, themes, etc than all 3 of my prior phones combined. Every time I hit the dev section I'm a kid in the candy store. There's fully functioning roms that work with everything and a few that I'm excited to see get better, like MIUI getting 4g.
There's very few phones out there with this much dev support, my friend has an LG vortex. Go find the LG vortex section of the forums. They don't exist.
My point, you have to do some digging but there's something here for everyone. If there isn't, make it! We could always use another dev to try to topple the big dogs.

What is AOSP?

Hey, sorry for the N00b question. I'm a software developer (among other things), but am just now delving into the world of custom ROMs for my EVO 4g. I've been looking at what's available and see a few that say either AOSP or NOT AOSP.
This leads me to a few questions.
1. What is AOSP?
- Is it a separate code base (other than 3.70.651.1 #15) from which to start customizing the code to create a custom ROM?
2. What are the main differences that are generally present between the normal code base and AOSP based?
3. Can you go back to a ROM based on 3.70.651.1 (or another base) if you go AOSP?
4. If it is a custom code base, whas it created from scratch or based on something else?
Thanks for your time in answering this. If I'm way off base on what AOSP is, just let me know. I appreciate your replies!

Simple, it is android without any overlay from different carriers. It is just bone stock android.
Android Open Source Project.
Edited because I fail!

Disclaimer: I'm not taking anything away from any of the Devs here. I can't do any of the stuff they do with any of the ROMs, so please, don't take the following as such.
Most of the non AOSP roms here are themed versions of the stock rom with performance increasing tweaks and what not. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, but it is what it is.
AOSP roms like Cyanogenmod are built from the source code. They are usually more bleeding edge because when the source is released from Google, they get to working on the update. Cyanogenmod 7 is already on 2.3.3, whereas most sense roms are still on 2.2.1

AOSP is short for Android Open Source Project. It's the source code for Android.
HTC takes the AOSP code and then adds Sense and their other tweaks to it. Basically all ROMs whether they are from HTC, Samsung, or who ever, is based on AOSP. The thing is that some of the OEMs modify the code so much that things start to become incompatible. Plus if you go straight to AOSP right now, the source code is up to Android 2.3.3, no OEM released ROM is up to that version. So that creates even more incompatibilities.
Some custom ROMs use AOSP and implement the code to devices from the ground up. That's what Cyanogen Mod does. MIUI also does this (and adds some heavy modifications to the code as well) but that ROM isn't specifically built for the EVO but is instead ported from the Nexus One ROM.
To keep it simple:
- AOSP is Android at it's most basic form, it's straight from Google and is pretty much what the Nexus devices use as final builds.
- OEM ROMs are based on AOSP but are usually outdated and heavily modified.
- You can go back and forth if you want, but if you do, you should wipe your cache as their are incompatibilities.

Wow, that's great everyone! I completely understand now. I really appreciate all the help and replies!
Could I ask what everyone's favorite AOSP & non-AOSP ROM is? I know this has been asked before, but I'd like the opinions of those that replied to this post, if they don't mind.
I'm looking for "bleeding-edge" technology, wireless tethering, hulu, etc. all the bells and whistles essentially. I don't care so much about how "pretty" it looks, just functionality and cool-gadgety-stuff. Thanks again!!!

ShadowCyborg said:
Wow, that's great everyone! I completely understand now. I really appreciate all the help and replies!
Could I ask what everyone's favorite AOSP & non-AOSP ROM is? I know this has been asked before, but I'd like the opinions of those that replied to this post, if they don't mind.
I'm looking for "bleeding-edge" technology, wireless tethering, hulu, etc. all the bells and whistles essentially. I don't care so much about how "pretty" it looks, just functionality and cool-gadgety-stuff. Thanks again!!!
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i would definitely suggest you look at cyanogenmod. it is built straight from source but improved apon in many ways. you can think of cyanogenmod as a crowd sourced rom. meaning anyone can contribute and submit changes to it. it is governed and controlled by the core members of the cyanogenmod team (team douche) but open for anyone to modify. what this gets you is a rom as close to aosp but made better. things like the power bar widget in the notification menu, music controls on the lock screen, quiet hours (notifications are turned down or off as well as dimming leds during set hours so they do not wake if if you say get an email at 5am), etc etc. members of teamwin recently built 4g support from the ground up be themselves and it is now a part of cyanogenmod. besides adding in features they also do a great deal of optimizing creating one of the most streamlined, user friendly fastest roms available.
oh and one part of your question seems unanswered - the 3.70.x.x.x of sense based roms is just the numbering of the rom build from htc for sprint but will always be built off of an older version of android due to the amount of customization done to it.

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As far as AOSP go I like Cyanogen CM7 or MIUI but if I want a sense type rom I typically run Mikfroyo or Fresh.

Thank you all very much, once again! I have so far tried the following ROMs.
- King's Ultra Unleashed R2
- Cyanogen Mod 6.1.2
I'm running Cyanogen Mod right now and it's pretty cool, but the problem is I really like different features of each. I do like how many features are built into the Cyanogen Mod ROM though. I have to say, I LOVE the quiet time feature a LOT! I've wished Android had that for a while now. Oh, and the increased battery life and decreased charge time of both is AWESOME!!! My phone had gotten to the point where it wouldn't even charge in the car. It just kept the battery at the level it was at. Now it will only drop 7% battery over the entire night, unplugged!
I'm contemplating trying the EVO Non-Sense right now. I am just trying many of them to see which I like the best. Thanks for all the advise everyone!

Koni Elite II has some really cool features in it. try them all, it's a lot of fun

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i thought it was the name of an ancient greek writer?

ShadowCyborg said:
Thank you all very much, once again! I have so far tried the following ROMs.
- King's Ultra Unleashed R2
- Cyanogen Mod 6.1.2
I'm running Cyanogen Mod right now and it's pretty cool, but the problem is I really like different features of each. I do like how many features are built into the Cyanogen Mod ROM though. I have to say, I LOVE the quiet time feature a LOT! I've wished Android had that for a while now. Oh, and the increased battery life and decreased charge time of both is AWESOME!!! My phone had gotten to the point where it wouldn't even charge in the car. It just kept the battery at the level it was at. Now it will only drop 7% battery over the entire night, unplugged!
I'm contemplating trying the EVO Non-Sense right now. I am just trying many of them to see which I like the best. Thanks for all the advise everyone!
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you can also try cm7, which is gingerbread based. cm6.x.x is froyo based. its in the rc1 stage meaning it is almost finalized. the rc1 does not have 4g but the nightlies do.
rc1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=956187
nightlies
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=729802
the nightlies are also 2.3.3 which is the newest build. nightlies=bleeding edge. they, as the name implies, as released nightly and contain all the code submitted from that day. sometimes they are broken or even fail to build but such is the life of living on the edge!

Alanman, thanks! I was thinking about trying that one too and... I agree that this is a BLAST! I'm absolutely loving the custom features, software and abilities.

Digged up an old thread through search
I was wondering what AOSP meant as well, but thanks I now know and might try some of the suggested ROMs in here So far I had only tried a King ROM (Shooter) with Sense 3.0. I don't mind it, but currently I can't get Swype to behave for me so I was thinking about dropping it and moving onto another.

CYANOGEN MOD, reinventing the wheel?

Hi, at the risk of starting a massive flame war, please dont, I'm just after information...
Being that the S2 stock ROM is already pretty good and we already have a number of decent ROM alternatives I am wonder what else CYANOGEN is going to bring to the party.
I have read all the spiel so I am not looking for the usual answers, what advantages exactly does it have, will it have, say over COGNITION when COGNITION Is fully working with video, games etc etc and has decent battery life. Doesn't have the CM7 messaging but I prefer K9 stock anyway.
I am also surprised that people are already using CM7 looking at the amount of DEV that still needs done.
I tried a CYANOGEN port on my old HD2 and I was left thinking what all the fuss was about, i'm probably missing something huge here, or CYANOGEN is really for advanced users or something.
Again, please keep this thread clean and calm

Please just go through the threads and read. It's all there. I won't rewrite the book. In short though, think a year from now. Cognition is based on stuff samsung released. What happens when samsung moves on? Cm7 will still be pushing the latest goodies.
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I'm not going to lie I never understood the hype of cyanogen rom. I have also tried with an hd2 and wasn't blew away and didn't see anything special. I think cyanogen mod is for people looking for aosp.
I have much respect for that team though because as far as I know there roms are built from ground up. Unlike most custom roms sgs2 have are really just themed stock roms with a couple tweaks.
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you should probably stop wasting space here and go to cyanogen's site and read what it is about. if it doesnt interest you after that you dont have to think about it ever again. no need for threads like this, it just makes you look bad because you obviously have not spent any time researching and educating yourself before asking this question.

Isn't Android reinventing the wheel? iPhone was here first, and Android is just duplicating iPhone functionality. Google should shut down the Android project immediately.
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Bingo!!! Some of us don't want to use crapware installed by the manufacturer who is really not a software expert, just a hardware expert, and want to come as close to the stock Android experience as possible. For me personally, things like hold volume button to skip to next song, switch between percentage battery and analog battery anytime you want, a very advanced OS theming engine which doesn't require you to flash anything to change the theme, always being on the bleeding edge of new Android releases/bugfixes etc. is the icing on top of the cake.
However, it's really about the excitement of checking the commit logs of the nightlies everyday to see what's new.

Yeah I never understood what the hype was all about either, don't get me wrong its a great aosp Rom and I give the devs a world of credit, but it feels like a number of things are just incomplete.
It has a few features that aren't found on most roms and runs quick as Hell, but if your looking for an in depth user friendly experience I would not say that this is the best for that as it lacks a lot of simple things you might be used to if your coming from a sense or some other kind of based rom
All I can really say is back yourself up and give it a try for a day or two and if you don't like it then just go back.

CM has only just come out, and is far from stable, and only really should be used if you are willing to help debug or want to live on the bleeding edge
We want CM for when samsung have abandoned us.
Its always good to have options!

Each rom,whether its a "themed" stock rom, or a ground up one like CM7 offers something different.
The obvious advantage has already been mentioned - once SGS2 goes EOL for Samsung, CM7 will continue to support newer versions of Android till as long as the (very) capable phone hardware can handle it.
There are improvements... for some... e.g. the native Samsung bluetooth stack doesn't work with Wiimotes... for instance... i believe CM7 and know MIUI does...
Its really a case of... pick and choose... no1 charges for these... try...as many... if you like one... say thanks to the Rom maker... and possibly a small donation!!!... and stick with it...

Thanks everyone, thats pretty much what I thought, nothing special compared to a good feature packed cooked ROM but very useful in the future when sammy stop updating, I just thought I was missing something huge the way people get excited about it.
Will stick with COG for now until CM7 is looking fairly complete and then give it s roll.

yeah its all about when samsung abandons the device. in addition, it also is about running a fully open source ROM on your phone. once the cyan rom gets stable, each night it will be updated with a change log, so gives you the ability to constantly be seeing the fixes to the software actually running on your phone. something you dont like? commit to the code, and it may get merged into the repo. its about having total control over the device you are using, seeing every little feature, the code for it, how it works, and ability to modify it if you want.
of course it also has some good features too. but the above is what i think the point of cyan is.

Miui coming soon?

Since we are now deep into CM7 betas is there any reason we do not have miui yet? I can't wait for miui.
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Because we don't have a final version. Looks like you'll have to wait.

that is because its not in beta yet, no thread in the developers section. When that happen look for miui to be released. in my opinion miui looks like ios i dont like it but that just me.

Has anybody seen enough of miui to know of it is worth it (vs CM7)?
[Of course there is always personal preference]

Aura has the option to use the miui launcher if that's something your intrested in
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Has anybody seen enough of miui to know of it is worth it (vs CM7)?
[Of course there is always personal preference]
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It depends entirely on what you want out of your phone. Playing around with the Nook Color port for a bit, I found some features that I would love to have such as baked in data use monitoring and shutoff when reaching your monthly cap (probably more accurate than something like 3G Watchdog) and the ability to specifiy which network types apps are allowed to use data on.
It also looks and feels very iPhone like, which I'm not a big fan of but it has a decent theme engine in it so if you wanted you could install a theme and alternate launcher and have it run like any other android rom.
Not being Open Source is a bit of a downside but not enough to stop me from trying an Atrix port when one shows up. But CM7 is pretty good as it is and most of MIUI's extra functionality can be added to it through the market. Its a matter of whether you want it more integrated with the OS.

Has anybody tallied up which there are more threads of? Impatient bastards who cant wait for cm7 or impatient bastards who cant wait for miui but gotta wait for cm7 first anyways?
I voided my warranty.

As for miui vs cm7 in my opinion it just feels a lot more polished. It has a ton of features i could not even begin to describe because its just a lot of small improvements in functionality that as a whole make this rom what it is.
Also one of the main features is the weekly updates that just constantly add new functionality. These updates are nothing like CM nightlies as you get an astounding amount of new code put into this rom each week. You can just check out their website and see for yourself.
I personally never looked vack after putting this rom onto one of my previous devices. The only reason im using my SGS2 right now and not the atrix is because im running MIUI.