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The reason I am writing this thread is because of this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883222
The OP raised his concern regarding Cyanogenmod not being the biggest concerns for the Dev's. But I honestly think that during the times of CM6 the Dev's could have played a bigger role of bringing it to our Vibrant. I know Eugene tried to do something with it, but i think the release of Gingerbread 2.3 made his work not worthwhile because it was based on 2.2.I am aware that CM7 is in"heavy development cycle" due to Gingerbread 2.3, and most likely will be coming to our Vibrant. With that being said, I feel it is necessary because since we were not able to get CM6 to our phones then why not go for MIUI.
Honestly it is one of the greatest ROMS out there and sometimes i feel that our Vibrant should be getting some more love.Keep in mind that I am in no way bashing TW/Eugene or any other Dev's. Their work is nothing short of quality since I have been a very heavy user of both the Nero and Macnut Series. But I am sure that most people wouldn't mind having MIUI on their phones since its the best of both worlds. (Iphone/Android) Also, I wouldn't know the full process porting such a ROM because it is not an easy task and I am in no way a developer. Maybe it is being worked on with a 2.3 Base? Idk? I am just seeking for answers as I am sure most of other people are as well. I really hope that MIUI really comes to our phone and it becomes one of those projects where many Dev's were in the process to port the SenseUI (back in the day). Just trying to make our community better.
For Those who are unaware of MIUI ROM, here's a demo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0U8ISI8YXM
Flame me, Hate me, w.e.. I just think its a debatable subject.
Ty.
What is this? A new trend?
hopefullu for the good.
Here is why, in my opinion.
If 25% of the masses want cm or miui, 25% want 2.2.1, and the rest want 2.3 - 2.3 it will be.
I like miui, I even had a barely working version of it for a little while. But, the guys who use my releases know what they want, those who use TW want their roms bionic, etc for master, eugene et al.
Nowdays, with leaks once a week, I think it will be tough to get a dev to drop everything else and start a port like miui.
But, if I could do it, I would, I think.
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Here is why, in my opinion.
If 25% of the masses want cm or miui, 25% want 2.2.1, and the rest want 2.3 - 2.3 it will be.
I like miui, I even had a barely working version of it for a little while. But, the guys who use my releases know what they want, those who use TW want their roms bionic, etc for master, eugene et al.
Nowdays, with leaks once a week, I think it will be tough to get a dev to drop everything else and start a port like miui.
But, if I could do it, I would, I think.
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Wow, that was the exact answer I was looking for. Like I mentioned before I am no Dev and you being here longer than me and more experienced I will take yourword for it. Your also right about these leaks coming very fast. Hopefully after a full port of 2.3 is done maybe just maybe we can get MIUI.
Thx Alot.
Yeah I Was Gonna Start Working On MIUI But I Need A Cyanogen Source, There Isn't One So I Kinda Hit A Wall
Maybe If Jellette Can Send Me What He Started I Can Just Port MIUI
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Yeah I Was Gonna Start Working On MIUI But I Need A Cyanogen Source, There Isn't One So I Kinda Hit A Wall
Maybe If Jellette Can Send Me What He Started I Can Just Port MIUI
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There are some serious problems with it but I think it is still on my computer, I'll let you know
Later.
Its Cool If Theres Some Problems, All I Need Is A Starting Point And I'd Be Able To Go From There
Does any other dev have a working cyanogen source??
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What's MIUI?
Couldn't figure out what MIUI is from this post or the one linked in the OP.
Its A Chineese Rom
Its Basically The Best Rom Ever
I Have It On My Droid Incredible Its Super Quick And Looks Like Iphone Kinda
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Couldn't figure out what MIUI is from this post or the one linked in the OP.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0U8ISI8YXM
Demo of the ROM.
To the Vision ROMS Mods,
would you kindly make us a CM7 Sense ROM? A CM7 ROM with or able to take HTC Sense Widgtes?
It is hard, yes, and our mods are hardworking. It is impossible, no, there is no such a thing as impossible when it comes to technology on XDA-Developers.
Hoping and waiting and believing!
This ... would be epic.
It's not impossible, but it's not worth the effort. The Sense widgets require the Sense framework which is closed source. In order to merge the two, you would need to reverse-engineer the Sense framework which is near impossible. So, no, it's not gonna happen.
This has been talked about countless times for years.. if it was possible it would of been achieved by now..
just saying..
on that note, I'd be impressed if I were to log into XDA one and see it a hybred Cm7/Sense ROM
This would be like the yankees and red sox merging to form one entity.
i think every one would love that, it would be great but who knows maybe soon they will, i mean they have sense-ish with vanilla so maybe
If only such a thing was possible... a Sense/CM7 hybrid would be the best ROM ever, hands down
Shame it isn't though, as someone already mentioned, it would involve reverse-engineering Sense since it's closed source, and CM is strictly AOSP
its a extremely difficult task that may not even have a nice reward at the end. Look at how pissed HTC got with the Beautiful widgets looking too much like theirs. My guess is that if a dev did in fact pull this off, it'd be shutdown before most of us could enjoy it...
I actually prefer having to choose between one and the other, since they are so distinct in style. I think some of the "conveniences" of Sense could easily be easily be written into AOSP roms, but in terms of aesthetics and style - I like them being separate.
If a "blend" is what you want, then you should probably give UD a spin, but I'm pretty sure that will fall short of what you seek.
This belongs in the general section. Android has been out since 2008, you don't think someone has already thought about wanting this? And 3 years later it hasn't been accomplished yet? It should already be obvious its not done yet because it's damn near impossible. But hey its not bad to ask for something. Only thing i think would ever be close to this is someone making a stock launcher with beautiful widgets incorperated into it or something hellishly close to
Sense widgets. But besides that, please don't ever, EVER, count on it.
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do it with Sense 3.0 and ill donate a ton, and run around my neighborhood naked! lol
Makes me wonder, what ever happened to sillian?
I've never been a fan of sense, CM is great how it is.
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I'd be impressed if I were to log into XDA one and see it a hybred Cm7/Sense ROM
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actually the senseginger 3.0 rom is almost that, you can disable htc lockscreen in lieu of vanilla lockscreen, it has the nice gingerbread on/off screen animations, I use launcher pro plus with it and everything seems pretty damn snappy... the launcher pro plus widgets are practically direct copies of the htc widgets, and I get to have a 5x5 homescreen... I'm sure once the source drops for the htc gingerbread vision kernel I'll get stellar quadrant scores as I do on virtuous 1.0.2 (2500+ @ 1402Mhz)
no way...if you want sense, use a sense rom.
Sense is teh suck
Hi, at the risk of starting a massive flame war, please dont, I'm just after information...
Being that the S2 stock ROM is already pretty good and we already have a number of decent ROM alternatives I am wonder what else CYANOGEN is going to bring to the party.
I have read all the spiel so I am not looking for the usual answers, what advantages exactly does it have, will it have, say over COGNITION when COGNITION Is fully working with video, games etc etc and has decent battery life. Doesn't have the CM7 messaging but I prefer K9 stock anyway.
I am also surprised that people are already using CM7 looking at the amount of DEV that still needs done.
I tried a CYANOGEN port on my old HD2 and I was left thinking what all the fuss was about, i'm probably missing something huge here, or CYANOGEN is really for advanced users or something.
Again, please keep this thread clean and calm
Please just go through the threads and read. It's all there. I won't rewrite the book. In short though, think a year from now. Cognition is based on stuff samsung released. What happens when samsung moves on? Cm7 will still be pushing the latest goodies.
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I'm not going to lie I never understood the hype of cyanogen rom. I have also tried with an hd2 and wasn't blew away and didn't see anything special. I think cyanogen mod is for people looking for aosp.
I have much respect for that team though because as far as I know there roms are built from ground up. Unlike most custom roms sgs2 have are really just themed stock roms with a couple tweaks.
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you should probably stop wasting space here and go to cyanogen's site and read what it is about. if it doesnt interest you after that you dont have to think about it ever again. no need for threads like this, it just makes you look bad because you obviously have not spent any time researching and educating yourself before asking this question.
Isn't Android reinventing the wheel? iPhone was here first, and Android is just duplicating iPhone functionality. Google should shut down the Android project immediately.
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i'm probably missing something huge here, or CYANOGEN is really for advanced users or something.
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Bingo!!! Some of us don't want to use crapware installed by the manufacturer who is really not a software expert, just a hardware expert, and want to come as close to the stock Android experience as possible. For me personally, things like hold volume button to skip to next song, switch between percentage battery and analog battery anytime you want, a very advanced OS theming engine which doesn't require you to flash anything to change the theme, always being on the bleeding edge of new Android releases/bugfixes etc. is the icing on top of the cake.
However, it's really about the excitement of checking the commit logs of the nightlies everyday to see what's new.
Yeah I never understood what the hype was all about either, don't get me wrong its a great aosp Rom and I give the devs a world of credit, but it feels like a number of things are just incomplete.
It has a few features that aren't found on most roms and runs quick as Hell, but if your looking for an in depth user friendly experience I would not say that this is the best for that as it lacks a lot of simple things you might be used to if your coming from a sense or some other kind of based rom
All I can really say is back yourself up and give it a try for a day or two and if you don't like it then just go back.
CM has only just come out, and is far from stable, and only really should be used if you are willing to help debug or want to live on the bleeding edge
We want CM for when samsung have abandoned us.
Its always good to have options!
Each rom,whether its a "themed" stock rom, or a ground up one like CM7 offers something different.
The obvious advantage has already been mentioned - once SGS2 goes EOL for Samsung, CM7 will continue to support newer versions of Android till as long as the (very) capable phone hardware can handle it.
There are improvements... for some... e.g. the native Samsung bluetooth stack doesn't work with Wiimotes... for instance... i believe CM7 and know MIUI does...
Its really a case of... pick and choose... no1 charges for these... try...as many... if you like one... say thanks to the Rom maker... and possibly a small donation!!!... and stick with it...
Thanks everyone, thats pretty much what I thought, nothing special compared to a good feature packed cooked ROM but very useful in the future when sammy stop updating, I just thought I was missing something huge the way people get excited about it.
Will stick with COG for now until CM7 is looking fairly complete and then give it s roll.
yeah its all about when samsung abandons the device. in addition, it also is about running a fully open source ROM on your phone. once the cyan rom gets stable, each night it will be updated with a change log, so gives you the ability to constantly be seeing the fixes to the software actually running on your phone. something you dont like? commit to the code, and it may get merged into the repo. its about having total control over the device you are using, seeing every little feature, the code for it, how it works, and ability to modify it if you want.
of course it also has some good features too. but the above is what i think the point of cyan is.
Am I totally missing something with these 2 roms? They seemed to be all the rage and everyone's is so happy we have them, but I don't see what's so great. Both threads for these list numerous bugs and issues. The CM7 has a nightly update for god's sake! If it needs nightly updates it sounds like it doesn't work all that great. And MIUI looks like an iphone.
I'm not trying to start a riot in here either lol. I just don't see what the hype is for.
I would suggest trying them for yourself before knocking them To answer your question in a short manner. The answer is options. You have numerous options and tweaks on both roms that you won't find anywhere else. CM blazes through everything for the most part. MIUI, I hear that iphone excuse all the time. With all the mtz files there are you can make it look like anything you want to. Mix n match like no other rom. Look at the threads started by me and you will see one called "One Stop Shop" with some good info on MIUI.
---Jay---
goblue30093 said:
Am I totally missing something with these 2 roms? They seemed to be all the rage and everyone's is so happy we have them, but I don't see what's so great. Both threads for these list numerous bugs and issues. The CM7 has a nightly update for god's sake! If it needs nightly updates it sounds like it doesn't work all that great. And MIUI looks like an iphone.
I'm not trying to start a riot in here either lol. I just don't see what the hype is for.
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Whoops. You got a free thanks
Anyways, if u want a shorter answer instead of reading thru these 2 paragraphs, either read Jay's response above, and/or drop to the last paragraph in my response.
Now, let's begin with CM7. We are an officially supported CM7 device, but we still do not have a close to 100% RC yet. There are still some very small quirks that need work, hence, nightlies. All nightlies are, are EXPERIMENTAL builds that contain the most recent advancements. They may or may not be as stable as an RC, which means they can both include fixes, and bugs. The reason for the hype if because its an AOSP ROM. Some ppl aren't very fond of Samsung's TW UI and would rather run on AOSP. The other side to that is updates. We were "lucky" to receive official GB, but we probably won't be "lucky" with ICS, which its safe to say, we will eventually be receiving thanks to CM and our CM Team.
As for MIUI, its based off of CM. This ROM is better known for a greater "customizable" experience. With MIUI you get a similar AOSP experience except with more themes. With MIUI you are able to choose a specific theme for SMS, another theme for the dialer, and another for contacts, etc. So you can basically mix n match themes here n there. The things with MIUI is that it kinda "piggybacks" on CM's proggress, so updates will come a bit after our CM ROMs/Kernels are updated.
****Bottom line: CM7 & MIUI offer a minimilistic AOSP experience, including support, which may or may not include updates that could extend your phones lifespan****
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The nightly updates are feature updates.
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Ceelos09 said:
****Bottom line: CM7 & MIUI offer a minimilistic AOSP experience, including support, which may or may not include updates that could extend your phones lifespan****
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You just earned a thanks
---Jay---
I wasn't knocking them, just didn't see the overwhelming hype. Thanks for the info though. I do love an AOSP rom and use them often. at the moment I am running the clean GB which is sort of aosp. I didn't know about the MIUI themes, that might be interesting if i can get away from the iphone feel.
I am looking forward to the CM9 ICS rom.. now THAT i will be excited about lol.
thanks for the info everyone.
goblue30093 said:
Am I totally missing something with these 2 roms? They seemed to be all the rage and everyone's is so happy we have them, but I don't see what's so great. Both threads for these list numerous bugs and issues. The CM7 has a nightly update for god's sake! If it needs nightly updates it sounds like it doesn't work all that great. And MIUI looks like an iphone.
I'm not trying to start a riot in here either lol. I just don't see what the hype is for.
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The nightly updates are a feature, not a bug, CyanogenMod is supported by at least 20 different devices, with heavy development on just the base code too, when something for our device, or something in the base code is updated, it is immediately released every night so that everyone is completely current with the latest features and bugfixes
My personal favorite enhancements that were brought with CM7 are Themes that change immediately (No restarts needed, or a visit to clockwork), hundreds of themes available at a moments download from the market (or xda and other places), DSP sound enhancement, moving the status bar to the bottom of the screen (really handy, right by the buttons), performance-wise it is top notch (besides a few bugs that don't really effect me), gestures on the lockscreen (write a G and BAM gmail), Swipe to remove notifications, and I could go on...
Point is, Touchwiz can lick my ***, it offers nothing to me that isn't done better in CM7...
Never used MIUI before, so I dunno about that one...
goblue30093 said:
I wasn't knocking them, just didn't see the overwhelming hype. Thanks for the info though. I do love an AOSP rom and use them often. at the moment I am running the clean GB which is sort of aosp. I didn't know about the MIUI themes, that might be interesting if i can get away from the iphone feel.
I am looking forward to the CM9 ICS rom.. now THAT i will be excited about lol.
thanks for the info everyone.
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I'm looking forward to MIUI4 You can always run adw, go, etc., over miui if you want. There is also an app called "altdrawer" that I have linked, if you want to keep all the miui mtz icons and launcher.
---Jay---
I wouldn't use MIUI for the Epic4g (Even though MIUI itself is great) due to bugs.
However, CM7 and eventually CM9 are something I'd highly recommend on any device supported.
Do some research, use Google. Cyanogen Mod has a website itself full of information.
Both represent things that Samsung and Sprint consider not possible with this device.
CM giving you the pure Google experience minus all the Touch Wiz/carrier/Sammy bloat.
MIUI which was/is a very popular ROM across quite a few platforms showing yet another stripped down, minimal experience.
As far as nightlies go... That is progress in the works. Things get implemented, tested by users and then tweaked/fixed/eliminated as the product progresses forward.
I think the best thing ever is CM9 coming to the Epic 4g. This shows that Sammy and Sprint are full of it when it comes to ICS-Android 4.0 on this device. CM team deserves a huge pat on the back for making this happen.
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As for MIUI, its based off of CM. This ROM is better known for a greater "customizable" experience. With MIUI you get a similar AOSP experience except with more themes. With MIUI you are able to choose a specific theme for SMS, another theme for the dialer, and another for contacts, etc. So you can basically mix n match themes here n there. The things with MIUI is that it kinda "piggybacks" on CM's proggress, so updates will come a bit after our CM ROMs/Kernels are updated.
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Thanks for that write up. I got CM, but didnt get MIUI. I was thinking it was a CM clone that lagged behind CM in updates, and was made to look like an iPhone.
Your explanation clears up my confusion rather nicely!
I have ran the last 15 cm7 nightlies and they are pretty solid other than a few volume issues I haven't had problems. I am currently trying out miui and it's nice. Packed full of options and everything is working well for me. Miui can be made to look any way u want. I have a gs2 lock screen, some ics theming, s2 boot animation. GPS got a 2 meter lock first try...no complaints
The reason for all of the bug reports is because they're in development threads - we'd be preaching to the choir if we always reported on the benefits (the developers know those things, that's why they took up the porting project). It doesn't mean that the rom sucks, not by any means
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Definitely doesn't suck. To the op...make a backup and try out some stuff. Clean gb is not aosp some tw still there. I oddly like tw bit having variety has brought life back into the epic. I was sure it would be a dead phone until recently when I found out cm and miui became available. Whether people like it or not...once these developers came aboard it helps the entire development process.
Best argument for CM7, as someone already mentioned, is the nightly updates. Remember how long it took to get Froyo? It was due to Sprint/Samsung adding their bloat. Cyanogenmod eliminates those 2 middle men. Thank you devs.
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I was exactlyyyyyyy like youuu
Until I flashed cm7 and seen how amazing it really is
I still do think about other tw roms tho cuz every rom is unique and amazing in its own way
But cm7 it really great you could literally do anything u want there's settings for everythingg and themes in the market is amazing
And I never tried miui but as soon as it gets 4g ill b one of the first ppl to flash it lol
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I wont whore up this thread but my gripe w cm7 currently is the camera and the volume bug. Its tolerable but damn the camera takes a while to open compared to tw and the volume bug, since I use speaker phone a lot is rather annoying. Still fantastic work. Almost there and its so close. It weird how the volume bug only attacks calls. Media volume control is perfect. But whatever, they will get it. Had this phone since launch day and been Modding it since then lol. This is the best time for the epic now that so many options are available
As a couple others have stated, my only gripe with CM7 is the volume issue on phone calls. If that ever gets squashed, it's damn near perfect for me. My phone runs so much smoother and faster on CM, and the amount of options available to customize your phone (profiles, themes, quiet hours, interface tweaks, etc) makes it even more worth it. I was a CleanGB user for a long time until recently as it is my favorite TW based ROM out there until it ceased being so "clean" with all the continued added stuff so I made the jump to at least try CM (especially since Toad made an MTD version of CleanGB to ease flashing back and forth) and haven't looked back.
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Am I totally missing something with these 2 roms? They seemed to be all the rage and everyone's is so happy we have them, but I don't see what's so great. Both threads for these list numerous bugs and issues. The CM7 has a nightly update for god's sake! If it needs nightly updates it sounds like it doesn't work all that great. And MIUI looks like an iphone.
I'm not trying to start a riot in here either lol. I just don't see what the hype is for.
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There's so many nightlies because of new features being added, new improvements if you want something stable but miss all the goodies then stick with a stock rom. Simple as that man. MIUI I do agree is iPhonish but does have android implemented but I don't care for it good to those who have it but that's my opinion. And CM7 is a great AOSP rom no will ever be able to beat it
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Cm7 is great with all the added features and the fact that installing a new theme is one market search away, but its not the end all be all of all roms imo! I do like it but I like all of the ei22 tw roms also... my favorite is the viper rom (for now) and imo it is better than cm7... great battery life and super snappy... I haven't tried cm7 since the rc0 w/ wimax hit so I am probably missing out though.. I know a lot has been fixed since then but I just can't bring myself to flash it yet... cm9 will be the end all be all for me! Looks amazing in the videos, can't wait!!!
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I've got a question I tried to answer myself, but I couldn't resist to post it on the forum.
Is the ICS leak a great step forward for all Atrix users ?
For those who wanted HWA, fingerprint scanner, working camera, of course it is... But is it a step forward for the release of a STABLE CM10 with a STABLE kernel ? This question is more open to a debate than a simple answer.
This leak didn't provide any option for those who have the wrong tegrapart (Mine is OK), or a lapdock, or those who use Chrome and want a generally reliable ROM (Stability, I/O perfs, battery life). They have to make a compromise but we still didn't reach THE ROM(s) that makes everybody happy.
The missing thing to get the ROM(s) that will make us all happy is the kernel source... Why didn't we get it with the ICS leak ? Well let's exclude this question from this thread and maybe talk about it after this debate is (almost) closed.
Personally I'm happy to have this new ROM, it's fast, smooth etc. but my lapdock is still borked so I'm really frustrated not to have this awesome tablet display that works with EVERYTHING but not MOTOROLA's own peripheral... Damn it !
So, what's your case ? Of course you may have found satisfaction with the ICS leak, but are you as frustrated as I am to be this close to the ultimate goal ?
The debate is open, I hope I broke the ice for some people who are in my case and feel like forgotten.
I think that leak does not come with the source code. Thus there will not be any practical improvement right now.
Or, most likely ever. I doubt things will go much farther, and I'm usually the optimistic one
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nope, i think the ics leak was just a one off leak from what motorola actually got round to doing before they abandoned the project, which personally is really bad the roms are just crappy (no offence to developers but the lack of resources means they will always be crappy), everyone says the roms are good but every ics rom iv used is awful, overheating, bugs, battery life sucks, cameras lag, and doesnt compare to a stable cm7 which works completely fine and does everything ics can do anyway.. hmm... i guess everyone just keeps giving themselves false hope, although the possibility of a stable ics is much more than the chance of jellybean & as for the cm10/jellybean thing dont get your hopes up the signs of HWA are non existent and i really dont think they ever will be unless somebody makes a kernel from scratch which for a mobile device would take endless hours of work and testing each boot would probably get your through about 50 atrix phones from hard bricks etc... and i dont think our developers have the time or money to do so... even with donations.
its just not worth it, the atrix is a dying breed if you dont like cm7 then buy a new phone, its that simple, confuses me why everyone acts like cm7 is some sort of bugged crappy software that doesnt work? yet its still a very stable software.
i think everyone should stop concentrating on ICS and jellybean until we actually hear news that will be helpful to creating a stable build and in the mean time focus on improving cm7 with mods and other things, right now cm7 is basically abandoned and the thing its been abandoned for has been on hold for around 3 months.
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nope, i think the ics leak was just a one off leak from what motorola actually got round to doing before they abandoned the project, which personally is really bad the roms are just crappy (no offence to developers but the lack of resources means they will always be crappy), everyone says the roms are good but every ics rom iv used is awful, overheating, bugs, battery life sucks, cameras lag, and doesnt compare to a stable cm7 which works completely fine and does everything ics can do anyway.. hmm... i guess everyone just keeps giving themselves false hope, although the possibility of a stable ics is much more than the chance of jellybean & as for the cm10/jellybean thing dont get your hopes up the signs of HWA are non existent and i really dont think they ever will be unless somebody makes a kernel from scratch which for a mobile device would take endless hours of work and testing each boot would probably get your through about 50 atrix phones from hard bricks etc... and i dont think our developers have the time or money to do so... even with donations.
its just not worth it, the atrix is a dying breed if you dont like cm7 then buy a new phone, its that simple, confuses me why everyone acts like cm7 is some sort of bugged crappy software that doesnt work? yet its still a very stable software.
i think everyone should stop concentrating on ICS and jellybean until we actually hear news that will be helpful to creating a stable build and in the mean time focus on improving cm7 with mods and other things, right now cm7 is basically abandoned and the thing its been abandoned for has been on hold for around 3 months.
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Its not that simple. Once you've had a taste of Android 4.X, its nearly impossible to go back. I'm stuck on Epinter's CM10 because of that, every time I try switching back to a CM7 based rom I find it randomly jittery and with a lot of small annoyances. Both of which I never noticed before trying Joker's CM9.
Even when I switched from CM7 to CM9, I remember CM7 was more or less perfect in its current state. Work stopped on it because there's not much else that can be done with it. Its hit its peak, and for those not spoiled by the more polished versions of Android it is indeed the ideal rom for our device. That does not mean work should stop on ICS/JB, though. The big issue we have is the kernel, of which there are several projects in the works to port kernels from other devices. Its something that'll take (a lot of) time, but long term it'll be much better for our devices than making barely noticeable changes to Gingerbread roms.
With that said, you are right in that the ICS leak is more or less useless without source code. Crappy battery and display issues on some variants of Atrix completely ruin it.
Having the kernel source would solve many issues, but after Motorola abandoned the device it's very unlikely they'll commit any more resources into releasing the half working source code. Of course we'd like to see the source released as it existed under development, but from what I understand, the the source that gets released isn't always exactly the same as what they work with when they compile it and things like extremely helpful comments in the code get removed because of things like NDA's. And although many of the libs and drivers can be extracted from the ROM, the code to use them has been lost.
As it stands, the Atrix Rebirth Project is probably the best chance for seeing a fully functional kernel source for ICS and beyond. But as has been pointed out already, interest in the device has been dying, and even if the project does manage to make it happen, it's not going to happen overnight.
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Its not that simple. Once you've had a taste of Android 4.X, its nearly impossible to go back. I'm stuck on Epinter's CM10 because of that, every time I try switching back to a CM7 based rom I find it randomly jittery and with a lot of small annoyances. Both of which I never noticed before trying Joker's CM9.
Even when I switched from CM7 to CM9, I remember CM7 was more or less perfect in its current state. Work stopped on it because there's not much else that can be done with it. Its hit its peak, and for those not spoiled by the more polished versions of Android it is indeed the ideal rom for our device. That does not mean work should stop on ICS/JB, though. The big issue we have is the kernel, of which there are several projects in the works to port kernels from other devices. Its something that'll take (a lot of) time, but long term it'll be much better for our devices than making barely noticeable changes to Gingerbread roms.
With that said, you are right in that the ICS leak is more or less useless without source code. Crappy battery and display issues on some variants of Atrix completely ruin it.
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hmm i used pinters cm10 for a week and went back to MROM cm7 and customised it to my liking with ICS themes and text changers, looks just like ICS runs just as smooth as a buggy JB rom, thats the problem the performance of CM10 roms without HWA is about the same as a good CM7 rom... just with a few features like google now which nobody really uses anyway, although i understand where your coming from when it comes too the UI and animations on JB roms they are very nice but id rather sacrafice them and have a phone that will work 100%
I'm very naive to the inner workings of android
I also returned to mrom from epinters cm 10 and icsrom because of lack of camcorder or terrible battery life.
Now with mrom I have a very smooth launcher and all apps working. I do miss jellybeans nice interface, but what are the more fundamental improvements that gingerbread lacks? Besides feeling outdated and old of course :/
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Zero usefulness. Novelty item at best.
It's interesting to read opinion of no-developers is it something useful or not. Only developers could say something about it. Also most of you are so pessimistic, complaining that developing is dying.
xda-developers is for site and forum for developers. If you think that developing is dying, come on, do something about. Join Atrix Rebirth Project, start to learn how to develop kernel and rom. There is a lot of guides here and on Internet. Instead of spending time on forum and waiting that someone else do it for you and for free. If you don't have time to learn, contribute on another way: support developers, donate money or device, try to find solution, use your contacts to get leaked sources...
The easiest way is to buy a new device and start complain after a while
I have been very pleased with the stock GB rom. I have a Nexus 7 and an old HTC Aria, both running the latest version of JB and, other than a more up-to-date appearance, there's really nothing I can't do on the Atrix that I can do on the JB devices.
Its amazing what the developers have been able to do with the HTC Aria. It has very little memory, but they have created virtually unlimited program memory by using an extended partition on the SD card. The Aria also runs JB almost flawlessly.
If JB could run on the Atrix 4G the way it runs on my Aria, I would use it. But from what I've read, it has a long way to go. I am not even sure I would even be able to root my Atrix, which has the latest GB update from Motorola.
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Slymayer said:
I've got a question I tried to answer myself, but I couldn't resist to post it on the forum.
Is the ICS leak a great step forward for all Atrix users ?
For those who wanted HWA, fingerprint scanner, working camera, of course it is... But is it a step forward for the release of a STABLE CM10 with a STABLE kernel ? This question is more open to a debate than a simple answer.
This leak didn't provide any option for those who have the wrong tegrapart (Mine is OK), or a lapdock, or those who use Chrome and want a generally reliable ROM (Stability, I/O perfs, battery life). They have to make a compromise but we still didn't reach THE ROM(s) that makes everybody happy.
The missing thing to get the ROM(s) that will make us all happy is the kernel source... Why didn't we get it with the ICS leak ? Well let's exclude this question from this thread and maybe talk about it after this debate is (almost) closed.
Personally I'm happy to have this new ROM, it's fast, smooth etc. but my lapdock is still borked so I'm really frustrated not to have this awesome tablet display that works with EVERYTHING but not MOTOROLA's own peripheral... Damn it !
So, what's your case ? Of course you may have found satisfaction with the ICS leak, but are you as frustrated as I am to be this close to the ultimate goal ?
The debate is open, I hope I broke the ice for some people who are in my case and feel like forgotten.
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Yeah right ! talking about this leak ... is a >small< step foward !
Just imagine Michael Montuori out of here, Or the Bill ?! epinter !? Faux, or jocker that has made a wonderfull job and the other in the early days of the atrix .... all source code builder out of this atrix family at once !
Well ... Motorola doesnt have a great support for the moment ! as their Blur OS is ****ty slow ! :S
I own a Car dock, A HD Multimedia Dock and a great lapdock !
I approve that this is still frustrating (and i know the devs out there are NOT getting Paid enough for a better work than MOTOROLA itself,) that motorola own product doesnt have support yet ! but still have on a direct DHMI cable straight to the tv !! WTF ?!?!!
Well, its not going to change anything here, i mean this thread ... but .. well .. you know ! YEAH its awkward and " fais chier bordel" hahaha
Our devs are GREAT but unfortunately, we still need that damn MOTO support for their drivers source for the new OS :S
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sathelate said:
Well, its not going to change anything here, i mean this thread ... but .. well .. you know ! YEAH its awkward and " fais chier bordel" hahaha
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I would even say "Bordel à couilles de constructeur de mes deux !". I'm writing this using my lapock... On my tiny screen, with my main screen at 45° so I can still read what I'm writing. I dreamt about WT3.0 with working LAPDOCK, it would have been so gorgeous, but it's currently not happening. "Nique cette merde !", I'm buying a Windows Phone next year when the ecosystem gets more apps and stuff. The news are getting warmer for this OS ! The amazing keyboard made in WP7/8 will replace my lapdock I use as a keyboard.
Development IS actually dying, look at the Atrix 4G development section where there used to be several ROMs under active development there are now just a few. Nearly everything that can be done has been done with the exception of what the Atrix rebirth project is doing. But there is no guarantee of success. If you have the money or a device to donate to the rebirth project, great, by all means go for it. Maybe one of the other tegra based moto devices might help a bit too. Unfortanately I think it's pretty hard to hold any level of optimism for the device after such a long string of let downs.
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I see the ICS leak as interesting but not overly useful.
Now, if they'd also leaked the source code, I don't doubt that the devs could have created a fully-features and stable ICS/JB within a couple of months. However, with no source for such a buggy leak, we're reliant on a few people trying to create a kernel almost from scratch. I wish them well, but I'm not holding my breath...
When you feel like the development is hopeless , waste all of your time and try fixing things yourself get a new phone.
BravoMotorola said:
When you feel like the development is hopeless , waste all of your time and try fixing things yourself get a new phone.
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Like you? And you think that you're smart. That's exactly what vendors wish, get a new device. Bravo
Edit: With your latest posts in Atrix forum you're the same as maggedo or member with Atrix in name. Ups, you have Motorola
How long N4 will be the best device for you? What I see not so long
I think it's interesting how people work:
First everyone was crying about the fact, that Motorola left us out in the cold and now that we have a actually really good leak, people cry that it's not good enough... That's just sad. The leak is useful and it's a big step into the right direction. A lot of people put in hours of work for you (and for FREE!!!), to make this leak better. All you need is PATIENCE. Be grateful that some devs stick to this EOL-device and provide great work for us.
-Just my 2 cents-
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BravoMotorola said:
When you feel like the development is hopeless , waste all of your time and try fixing things yourself get a new phone.
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And... What about people who can't get a new device ? I bought mine like 6 months ago, it was for my birthday and I can't waste money on a newer phone like this.
But there must be some kind of "break-even" ahead.
How many hours of work and energy may be put from the most "valuable brains" into the leak (without having sourcecode), until they must decide: "enough is enough, it just will never turn out as "stable"?
From what I've understood there exists some good chances that maybe some day valuable parts of the XOOM kernel get migrated to the Atrix (see respective thread under development area).
May the last remaining devs of a dying device - whose work I greatly respect and appreciate! - join forces and turn more efforts into porting the xoom?