Just ordered a used Nexus S on Ebay. I'm just getting it as a secondary development phone that will run ICS, so I won't be putting a SIM card in it.
Will this still get OTA OS updates over wifi, or do I need to root it and manually load a ROM?
Thanks.
OTA updates are internet so it doesn't require sim card
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It doesn't require a sim card but many times you will get it earlier if you do have a sim card in. It's all about how they are rolling it out (luck of the draw).
I can't give you a definite answer there, but they are straight from google so it shouldn't have anything to do with a carrier at all.
However, stock OTA or Full ROMs are signed to flash directly from stock bootloader (locked, not rooted). Only downside is you can't revert to an older version i believe.
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I can't give you a definite answer there, but they are straight from google so it shouldn't have anything to do with a carrier at all.
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I think Google does factor the carrier into their rollouts. There are plenty of examples of users adding a sim card and it triggering an update. However, you will get the update eventually if you are only on wifi.
Sorry, the point i was trying to get across was that it won't effect whether you'll get it or not, as you said. When you get it may change depending on carrier - this i dont know. Didn't clarify in my post above, thanks bozzy.
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So currently I am using my mytouch 3g (Original) unlocked on At-t and without a dataplan. When T-mobile decides to roll out the 2.2 update, how would I go about getting it? Would they make it available online to install manually (without rooting)? Or would I need to grab a T-mobile sim and download it that way. Also if I used the latter route and used someone else's sim, would they need to have a dataplan for me to download it? Or would my mytouch still detect the update and download it for me without a data-plan.
no data plan is needed as the update can come through wifi thats how i got my 1.6 update so it should be the same with froyo
Alright so if I connect the mytouch to wifi it will automatically find the update to install? No 3g connection to any network needed?
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Alright so if I connect the mytouch to wifi it will automatically find the update to install? No 3g connection to any network needed?
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I think for most custom roms it won't work - to be sure roll back to last stock rom and hope to be one of the first
I haven't rooted my phone for awhile for numerous reasons, including the update. So basically OTA isn't over the network's data or anything? It's just a process that uses the internet, in whatever form it gets it?
I think some have missed the key point - you're on AT&T with a MyTouch (just like I am). You won't get the OTA automatically, as it is going to be sent by the carrier, not Google. AT&T doesn't "know" your MyTouch, and they don't support it...
The best solution if you're rooted, and the one I'm going to be doing, is simply to wait for a "clean rooted" version to come out and flash it. The OTA generally won't work on rooted phones since it is typically disabled.
If you're not rooted, then you'd have to find someone with T-Mobile and put their SIM card in and do a check for updates. Not sure if the data plan or wifi alone would be necessary in that case.
I heard that someone could simply manually install the update by looking for the link that the phone downloads it from. And you could do this without rooting, is that true?
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I think some have missed the key point - you're on AT&T with a MyTouch (just like I am). You won't get the OTA automatically, as it is going to be sent by the carrier, not Google. AT&T doesn't "know" your MyTouch, and they don't support it...
The best solution if you're rooted, and the one I'm going to be doing, is simply to wait for a "clean rooted" version to come out and flash it. The OTA generally won't work on rooted phones since it is typically disabled.
If you're not rooted, then you'd have to find someone with T-Mobile and put their SIM card in and do a check for updates. Not sure if the data plan or wifi alone would be necessary in that case.
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If you think about it the new rom that installs on your phone comes with carrier apps (such as MyFaves, etc) and I really can't imagine AT&T sending you a T-Mobile rom. In my opinion (just a theory) I don't think that you would get the update. I could be wrong though.
Well in that case do you think it is likely that someone will be able to find the update file and I can load it onto my phone WITHOUT rooting?
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Well in that case do you think it is likely that someone will be able to find the update file and I can load it onto my phone WITHOUT rooting?
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I don't think so.
What's to stop you from rooting your device? It would solve all of your problems.
http://theandroidsite.com/2009/10/0...-1-6-update-yet-heres-how-to-manually-update/
i'm gonna guess 2.2 will be the same. i dont know how long after the OTA updates until a manual update appears.
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http://theandroidsite.com/2009/10/0...-1-6-update-yet-heres-how-to-manually-update/
i'm gonna guess 2.2 will be the same. i dont know how long after the OTA updates until a manual update appears.
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Actually cant someone who gets the OTA update look up a link in their phone (The location where the phone downloaded the update from) and post the link so people can download the file and manually update? If someone could do that when the update comes out I'd think that be a great help to myself and a few people out there who don't want to root but can't get their update.
I was wondering if Im able to receive OTA updates even if I'm not living in US.
My phone model is i337m so its not the international version.
The carrier is AT&T
Anyone knows?
Of course my phone is SIM Unlocked and I'm not using AT&T
Thanks
Vinao said:
I was wondering if Im able to receive OTA updates even if I'm not living in US.
My phone model is i337m so its not the international version.
The carrier is AT&T
Anyone knows?
Of course my phone is SIM Unlocked and I'm not using AT&T
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AT&T has the i337, not the i337M (which is usually the Canadian variant). I believe the update server authenticates the SIM though. Not sure.
Yes, you're right sorry
SGH-I337
I think the same, but I cant test because I rooted my phone.
I'm only asking this because they gonna release the new android next month.
Thanks
Vinao said:
Yes, you're right sorry
SGH-I337
I think the same, but I cant test because I rooted my phone.
I'm only asking this because they gonna release the new android next month.
Thanks
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You can always download the OTA file when it's released, put it in the phone's internal memory and name it "update.zip". After that you can go to [stock] recovery by turning on the phone while holding only the volume-up key and choose "Apply update.zip"
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You can always download the OTA file when it's released, put it in the phone's internal memory and name it "update.zip". After that you can go to [stock] recovery by turning on the phone while holding only the volume-up key and choose "Apply update.zip"
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But when I try to update OTA it always says that "there ir no upadate avaliable" and I'm not sure if this message apears because Im not in the US and using AT&T Sim Card or because my phone is rooted.
I updated to UCUAMDL via Kies but back then I wasnt root yet.
Is there another way to download the update.zip? Like a web site?
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But when I try to update OTA it always says that "there ir no upadate avaliable" and I'm not sure if this message apears because Im not in the US and using AT&T Sim Card or because my phone is rooted.
I updated to UCUAMDL via Kies but back then I wasnt root yet.
Is there another way to download the update.zip? Like a web site?
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Well, if you're on an official, but rooted (stock) ROM, then the phone should still be able to check. Root itself doesn't make a difference in whether or not an OTA appears, but a custom ROM might have purposely broken the internal URL to check for OTAs in order to prevent them.
Just so you know, the AT&T Galaxy S4 has a locked bootloader. If you take an OTA, you'll lose root and you won't be able to do anything (no custom ROMs, root apps, or custom recovery) until an exploit is found. That's what's going on right now with people on the MF3 update. Currently they found a way to have root, but that's all.
You're better off downloading a stock, rooted ROM from here and flashing that when a new OTA comes out. They're usually posted quickly afterwards.
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Well, if you're on an official, but rooted (stock) ROM, then the phone should still be able to check. Root itself doesn't make a difference in whether or not an OTA appears, but a custom ROM might have purposely broken the internal URL to check for OTAs in order to prevent them.
Just so you know, the AT&T Galaxy S4 has a locked bootloader. If you take an OTA, you'll lose root and you won't be able to do anything (no custom ROMs, root apps, or custom recovery) until an exploit is found. That's what's going on right now with people on the MF3 update. Currently they found a way to have root, but that's all.
You're better off downloading a stock, rooted ROM from here and flashing that when a new OTA comes out. They're usually posted quickly afterwards.
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Well I'm using stock rom. So I guess this answers my question, either I'm not in the US or not using att sim card i can't update through OTA.
Thanks for your help bro. :good:
So I looked everywhere and no one seems to know how to unlock a straighttalk s4
since this site the best with cellphones problem solving I'm askin for some help :/
its a SM-S975L
when i ran the network unlock tool it was already unlocked the boot loader wasn't locked either the only thing we need now is rom development to include our devices. I have twrp and used towel root to root the device.
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So I looked everywhere and no one seems to know how to unlock a straighttalk s4
since this site the best with cellphones problem solving I'm askin for some help :/
its a SM-S975L
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I'm dealing with this same issue right now. Bought an SM-S975L for straight talk last night and I want to use it on Metro PCS. Metro says all is well on their end and I just have to wait, but all I see is "Invalid Sim" on the status bar. How did you unlock the SM-S975L? There's very limited information around the internet about this model. I'm tearing my hair out and the wifey is driving around without a phone. Figured you (or anybody else) could point me in the right direction.
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So I looked everywhere and no one seems to know how to unlock a straighttalk s4
since this site the best with cellphones problem solving I'm askin for some help :/
its a SM-S975L
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I'm dealing with this same issue right now. Bought an SM-S975L for straight talk last night and I want to use it on Metro PCS. Metro says all is well on their end and I just have to wait, but all I see is "Invalid Sim" on the status bar. How did you unlock the SM-S975L? There's very limited information around the internet about this model. I'm tearing my hair out and the wifey is driving around without a phone. Figured you (or anybody else) could point me in the right direction.
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LOL, the $249 deal was hard to pass up. I got a couple of them, one for me and one for the misses. She'll be fine with the 4.3 that is on the phone out of the box, but I wanted to convert mine to be like the I9505G (GPE). I was thinking it would be simple as I've heard all of the LTE models were like the I9505 and they seem fairly broken into. But I think this is more like the SGH-I337 and maybe boot loader locked, but looking into ways to test that. I did root it already using towelroot. Installed SuperSU and Titanium Backup and root is working, now so see if I can get CMW and a GPE rom on it. If I find a way I'll be sure it is mentioned here as a working method for the SM-S975L. I'm not using it yet as I have my GT-I9500 that I'm using, but seeing better support for the qualcomm for custom roms I decided to get it. The I9500 should get Android 5.0 official rom first though.
For what it's worth, I just picked up this phone from the Black Friday sale, and I would *really* like to put a custom ROM on it. I won't even pretend to be proficient in this. How difficult would it be to convert the custom ROMs on other models of Galaxy S4's to this one?
I am unsure my self the closest variant is the att s4. Both the att one and this one is bootloader locked. Since we have 4.3 version of Android safestrap would be likely what to use. I am afraid of this my self so I have not attempted it
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Whoa whoa whoa. What am I looking at? It looks like that's the model of the T-mobile variant, but the baseband is the same as the S975L!?
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Even a custom kernel flashed! What.
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It is the SM-S975L with a T-Mobile ROM and the custom kernel. The SGH-I337 ROM does not work, it erases the system partition every flash.
Awesome work aromerblz. Anything special you had to do to load the ROM with the S975 baseband...or any issues you're experiencing? Will be testing this out later in the week when I get some free time.
-JC
That is cool, at the very least its Kit Kat. I still would like to find a method to convert completely to GT-I9505G. Just no time. I'm hoping with jtag access it can be completely reconfigured, then just make sure the IMEI is set to that the device should be. Ideally the only way to see it was a SM-S975L would be to look under the battery. I don't really care about removing the SIM lock though, I plan to stick with my ST SIM. I did get a new BYOD SIM and it is showing 4G now (Not sure if it should indicate LTE like old ATT S3 does) as my old BYOD SIM would not and ST support said that I could not move the included SIM to any other device as it would be bound to the S975L.
I would love to get off the Tracfone ROM. I'm going to assume that Samsung/Tracfone will never upgrade this phone beyond Android 4.3. The last native update was in February of this year, and it was just a minor patch. I'm not too concerned about unlocking, but being able to use a different ROM seems to be a step in the right direction. If anyone could post a tutorial or what ROMs they used, that would be extremely helpful. I've looked everywhere and this info is not available anywhere.
For what it's worth, someone over on GSM Forums has claimed to have flashed the AT&T ROM too. They also were unable to unlock it, however. Unfortunately, I can't post the direct link until I have hit 10 posts That poster has been inactive for two months, and before that, he was inactive for three years. It may be hard to get in touch with him..
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Awesome work aromerblz. Anything special you had to do to load the ROM with the S975 baseband...or any issues you're experiencing? Will be testing this out later in the week when I get some free time.
-JC
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I first flashed a T-Mobile TWRP recovery v27.1, but the latest v28 works fine. After that i downloaded the TMB firmware NB4 from sammobile.com created a custom rom with the android kitchen. After that the usual flashing of the rom via TWRP. Without a custom kernel the phone does not boot up. So i used the ktoonsez kernel. Once booted i rooted with towelroot and pjone has been working fine. Only things to know is that when booting up it says "Kernel is not SeAndroid"
"Set Warranty Bit: Kernel"
As that specifies it trips the knox flag. Which i dont care if it does as am not in the USA.
You used the TWRP for jfltetmo, correct? Did you use Odin to flash it?
Also, this might seem obvious, but even if I do this, it'll still work/remain locked to ST/AT&T, correct?
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You used the TWRP for jfltetmo, correct? Did you use Odin to flash it?
Also, this might seem obvious, but even if I do this, it'll still work/remain locked to ST/AT&T, correct?
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Yeah TWRP for jfltetmo. The jflteatt does not seem to work at all on this model. I flashed with odin, no need to use safestrap on this phone as i think the bootloader is not locked like the one found on the SGH-I337, although its the identical variant.
Yes the phone remains locked to ST/AT&T. A friend of mines was able to get the unlock cod for this phone but even with the unlock code its not a permanent lock. Reason is because you can unlock and be able to use all the features available to the phone but once restarted it asks for the code again. Not sure why it does that, I believe the radio has to be the culprit for that here. Not sure how TracFone will handle the unlocks for this phone after 01/01/15. does the same even on full stock TF firmware.
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I would love to get off the Tracfone ROM. I'm going to assume that Samsung/Tracfone will never upgrade this phone beyond Android 4.3. The last native update was in February of this year, and it was just a minor patch. I'm not too concerned about unlocking, but being able to use a different ROM seems to be a step in the right direction. If anyone could post a tutorial or what ROMs they used, that would be extremely helpful. I've looked everywhere and this info is not available anywhere.
For what it's worth, someone over on GSM Forums has claimed to have flashed the AT&T ROM too. They also were unable to unlock it, however. Unfortunately, I can't post the direct link until I have hit 10 posts That poster has been inactive for two months, and before that, he was inactive for three years. It may be hard to get in touch with him..
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Can you PM me that GSM forums link you are talking about. I want to take a look.
Np, just a sec. (building up my post count)
GSM Forum stating AT&T-based ROM...not much detail I could glean from it tho. http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/f286/unlock-samsung-sm-s975l-tracfone-straighttalk-1866981
If I flash OF1 with Odin I'm going to have to re-root and then unlock the boot loader again right?
Is there anything else I have to worry about?
And is it possible to do this or does changing the CID screw it up?
What is the official download site for Odin?
I've never had a unlocked Samsung before, though I'm familiar
with other phones.
I'm thinking I need a clean slate a root + unlocked bootloader and just need to wait
it out on stock for a official release or goto JasmineROM though I'm still having sim
issues on that.
Actually if I get a Non-Verizon or MVNO based sim card are my data issues likely going to clear up?
And if so can you recommend a provider? can I get something like a T-Mobile prepaid sim while waiting
for a official ROM without sim card issues?
I've been reading these forums a lot during the last 24 hours (without much sleep). >_>
Am I understanding this right that this is likely because of a issue with Verizon CDMA support
in these ROMs not being exactly customized for the SM-N900V (RIL?)?
I recommend a T-Mobile sim you will be clear from rom problems caused by CDMA .on the roms that are not fully working whit verizon
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XScoobySnax420X said:
I recommend a T-Mobile sim you will be clear from rom problems caused by CDMA .on the roms that are not fully working whit verizon
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Thanks for getting back to me on this, yeah that solution is good enough for me, I have to get a provider
that is more tethering friendly anyway.
I saw a lot of people in the bootloader unlock thread talking about this. By flashing the stock factory image from Google, you haven't completely converted it to a Google phone. OTAs will still come from Verizon. There is almost no way to stop this: PLEASE be careful before taking OTAs in case Verizon does something shady with unlocked devices.
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I saw a lot of people in the bootloader unlock thread talking about this. By flashing the stock factory image from Google, you haven't completely converted it to a Google phone. OTAs will still come from Verizon. There is almost no way to stop this: PLEASE be careful before taking OTAs in case Verizon does something shady with unlocked devices.
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Ota's come from Google. Not Verizon. Your sim dictates what other BS happens with your phone. As long as you have a Verizon sim in a Verizon pixel you'll have a Verizon pixel. I'm pretty sure they pool the cid of Verizon pixels so they know which ones to allow bootloader unlocking and which ones to flag as ineligible.
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Ota's come from Google. Not Verizon. Your sim dictates what other BS happens with your phone. As long as you have a Verizon sim in a Verizon pixel you'll have a Verizon pixel. I'm pretty sure they pool the cid of Verizon pixels so they know which ones to allow bootloader unlocking and which ones to flag as ineligible.
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It's based on the IMEI number. Verizon OTAs differ from Google ones, even if they come from google
So, if I have a Google firmware installed on an unlocked Verizon device using a T-Mobile SIM, will I get OTA's at all?
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So, if I have a Google firmware installed on an unlocked Verizon device using a T-Mobile SIM, will I get OTA's at all?
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Probably still Verizon OTAs.
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Probably still Verizon OTAs.
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How can I get a Verizon OTA with a T-Mobile SIM? I'm assuming I won't get an OTA at all and will need to side load. Just looking for confirmation...
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How can I get a Verizon OTA with a T-Mobile SIM? I'm assuming I won't get an OTA at all and will need to side load. Just looking for confirmation...
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It uses the IMEI number to verify which OTAs to download. That doesn't change, it's tied to your specific phone
Why even bother with OTAs at all?
If you took the time to unlock the bootloader and get root, why would you not flash the stock images when they show up on googles developers page?
If you've loaded TWRP at all or mounted system rw; OTAs will not work.
I unchecked OTAs in developer options.
When new ones come out, I'll update when I feel like it.
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How can I get a Verizon OTA with a T-Mobile SIM? I'm assuming I won't get an OTA at all and will need to side load. Just looking for confirmation...
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For clarification, OTAs all come from Google, but Google occasionally has different OTAs for phone variants depending on your carrier associated IMEI (If you go to Google's OTA download page, you can see these in the description - there will be multiple OTAs for a date with different carriers).
Hey just came across this thread and not sure if the general consensus is accurate as far as it updating to the IMEI or not. I am currious though since I do have a Nexus 6 that has the VZW IMEI (starting with 99) but want to say once I switched to the FI sim card and away with VZW and flashed the FI software for the Nexus 6 it did in fact update to only the FI software from that point on. I could be wrong but I do not recall ever having to flash the FI software after updates due to it being VZW relased software. And in case anyone care I did notice that the unlockable Google software does in fact have VZW programs in it they are frozen by default in Titanium Backup. But like I said just 2 cents worth and not able to confim it 100%.
What about EE uk, can it be unlocked aswell?
I mean, Pixel 2 and 2 XL's are SIM unlocked. So really it depends who you pay money to for service.
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joloxx9joloxx9 said:
What about EE uk, can it be unlocked aswell?
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Unfortunately, we're still not sure man. You can always tryyyyy
joloxx9joloxx9 said:
What about EE uk, can it be unlocked aswell?
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No, I have unlocked the bootloader on my wife's pixel 2 from EE, I can now load custom software, so reloaded Google's factory image, but the phone is still sim locked to EE. It's definately an IMEI thing, not software.
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No, I have unlocked the bootloader on my wife's pixel 2 from EE, I can now load custom software, so reloaded Google's factory image, but the phone is still sim locked to EE. It's definately an IMEI thing, not software.
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EE bootloader can be Unlocked, I was reffering to that.
Yes the EE bootloader can be unlocked. Just use the same method as on Verizon.