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The chairman of Clearwire's board of directors will resign his position today, according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Craig McCaw, who served as chairman for two years, did not resign over any disagreements with the company or over any matters pertaining to the company's operations or practices, according to the filing.
The company, which has visions of being a major player in the 4G wireless space, has been adding subscribers at a rapid clip as the WiMax technology has rolled out into cities. But the company has also hit a cash crunch and, last month, said it will have to cut its workforce by 15 percent, trim its marketing spending, and delay plans for launches in other cities. Read more of "Clearwire's Chairman to resign post today" at ZDNet.
Good shut clear down for good make sprint rules the real 4g with no caps at dial up speeds or lower
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You do realize that shutting clear down at this time means losing complete access to 4g right?
Better for that to happen after the network changes where 4G equipment is on our towers and in our BTS boxes and what not.
Otherwise Sprint has no 4G hardware solution currently deployed in any box or tower.
So...lets get that done first.
competition in business is a GOOD thing.
No Clearwire = No 4G = No $10/mo multimedia rich experience fee?
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If they get shutdown would sprint have to join LTE services? If so wouldn't wimax compatible phone have to be recalled? Would we get hwd 005 Evo's that support LTE?
sprint more than likely will join LTE regardless of what happens with clear although Wimax2 is a beast
I read somewhere that we can use LTE we just need a radio update.
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I read somewhere that we can use LTE we just need a radio update.
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Not true.
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wimax is supposedly lte compatible but only if you take a big performance hit, the reason being that wimax and lte is supposed to be the same hardware just different software implementation, this is what an engineer told me but i still take it with a truckload of salt, as far as i can tell only one variant of lte is compatible with wimax and offers no improvement, to my understanding its only the hardware in the tower thats cross compatible and not the lte/wimax chipsets used in phones and modems, i do recall wimax being called future proof though
I am not sure if you all know, that Sprint does not own most of there towers that they have data and voice services. For example in So Cali most of the Cell towers that have 3g and 4g are own and operated but guess who; not sprint that is right they are owned and operated by Clearwire and this is true for most of the country. Sprint sold off most of there towers years ago.
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I am not sure if you all know, that Sprint does not own most of there towers that they have data and voice services. For example in So Cali most of the Cell towers that have 3g and 4g are own and operated but guess who; not sprint that is right they are owned and operated by Clearwire and this is true for most of the country. Sprint sold off most of there towers years ago.
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That may be true but... Rember that lil Sprint/Clearwire merger while back? Pretty sure that makes them Sprints doesnt it?
for 4g, clearwire owns them, sprint uses them.
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If they get shutdown would sprint have to join LTE services? If so wouldn't wimax compatible phone have to be recalled? Would we get hwd 005 Evo's that support LTE?
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No, it wouldn't be recalled. No, LTE would not simply be a new hardware revision of the same phone.
Regardless of what happens with clearwire, a transition from WiMax to LTE is likely at some point. There's been speculation of that for over a year now, as LTE is emerging as the standard. I don't know if they have all the specifics worked out, but they'll probably look for a way to light up LTE and phase out WiMax at a later time. If they go that route, at some point they'll stop marketing WiMax phones. 2 years from that point, everybody is upgrade eligible, so they notify everyone that it's time to upgrade, or 4G access won't be available. The 3G network will probably still be alive and well, so it won't be a brick.
As to whether a sudden bankruptcy of clearwire would mean 4G would go dark prematurely, I think that's unlikely. Despite their debt problems, the network and spectrum they own is a major asset. Sprint is also a majority owner, and the original owner of some of those assets as well. Sprint has a major interest in that infrastructure continuing to exist and serve their customers. I think it's pretty likely that some arrangement will be made that would be completely transparent to customers as far as operation of the network.
Doesn't sprint own 51% of clear? I believe sprint could just buyout the rest, but are trying to avoid that decision.
scooter185 said:
Doesn't sprint own 51% of clear? I believe sprint could just buyout the rest, but are trying to avoid that decision.
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From what I heard, Sprint did something to try to protect themselves from responsibility if Clearwire fails ultimately via their execs stepping down from Clearwire's board of directors? Something to that effect. I'm not sure if it was intentional, though, since I guess it was related to anti-trust issues but in the long run it might end up benefiting Sprint.
Recently Clearwire was trying to get Sprint to buy their 1.1 billion debt but the deadline passed on January 2nd and Sprint took no action to do so, so who knows.
It's been an interesting journey for Clear it seems.
Damnit! I know the Evo will probably be obsolete by the time this issue is resolved and LTE will possibly prevail but I hate being on the loosing side of the battle.
I guess this is no different than Beta vs. Vhs or HD dvd vs. Blu-ray. One format will win. I just don't like how Verizon and At&t get away with continually conning the public with over priced services and convincing them that everything they offer is superior.
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Omg sprint owns 4g towers every 4g is on sprint towers not clear clear is using sprint back bone and yea clear shutting down for good and 4g will remain 4g with sprint as it should be
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Omg sprint owns 4g towers every 4g is on sprint towers not clear clear is using sprint back bone and yea clear shutting down for good and 4g will remain 4g with sprint as it should be
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Clearly you have NO idea what you're talking about. The two 4G towers near me are owned by CLEAR not Sprint.
In my area there are clear kiosks all over the local malls here.
I have some theories about why Sprint might be going to LTE. Qualcomm has integrated LTE into their newer Snapdragon chips.
Meaning:
1) No need for additional wimax chip
2) Possible better integration into OS, particularly if Google adds LTE to Android.
3) Possible seamless transitions to 4G/3G
4) Mfrs. will be making LTE phones for AT&T and Veirzon. Adding Wimax for Sprint will add to design/implementation/testing cost.
5) Verizon is doing the work for Voice (and text) over LTE, may be easier to piggyback off of that than to develop it for WiMax
6) LTE is already specified/tested for the 800 Mhz bandwidth that Sprint wants to deploy 4G on whereas Wimax is not
1, sprint rushed to be the industry first with 4g.
2, Clearwire didn't have a solid financial foundation and wont give up enough control for sprints liking so they wont move forward with clear.
3,Lightsquared might just give up enough rights to there LTE network to make it profitable for sprint to make the transition seamlessly as possible with a simple chip swap in there towers and software update in house to make the transition.
There are some Pro's too this for the end user.
1, cheaper handsets, to the public
2, better pricing from the carriers
umm in a nutshell signal at 800mhz travels further and penetrates better. network infrastructure for LTE and Wimax make it easy to switch. So if you can get similar speeds, with less LTE antennas and better penetration, I cant see any reason why Sprint wouldnt make the jump. Plus Clear aint looking to good lol
good read if you have the time to read everything there and the links shown too.
http://androidforums.com/sprint/272829-lte-vs-wimax-charges-control-data.html
Clear did a piss poor job of building out their 4g network. They were also hell bent on providing retail services to end consumers. Money was spent on providing retail services (retail employees, store front, etc) that could have been better spent on building the network.
My house doesn't get 4g, my subdivision is like an island surrounded by 4g. Just a few blocks away are a couple of apartment complexes, and there used to be a sign from Clear stating '10mb/s tested here' or something to that effect. So it almost seems like they were focused on building out a network in a way so their retail side could make more sales. The focused should have been building solid coverage. Right now 4g is too spotty and I rarely turn it on. It's only useful if you're stationary. This is in Houston, one of the first areas to get 4g.
This is all my opinion of course. I think this is why Sprint wants to build out their own lte network. Sprint wanted Clear to coordinate with Sprint on the buildout, clear wanted to do their own thing and had dreams of having a successful retail side. Now they're broke and wimax build out has slowed to a crawl.
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They'll probably allow the use of WIMAX AND LTE with the Kyocera Echo at the same time. WIMAX on top screen and LTE on the bottom one.
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They'll probably allow the use of WIMAX AND LTE with the Kyocera Echo at the same time. WIMAX on top screen and LTE on the bottom one.
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Do we need to make another announcement announcing this announcement? Should we get Davd Blaine again or get the big guns? Maybe have Justin Bieber pull a rabbit out of his hair?
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Do we need to make another announcement announcing this announcement? Should we get Davd Blaine again or get the big guns? Maybe have Justin Bieber pull a rabbit out of his hair?
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That is not where he keeps the rabbits...
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good read if you have the time to read everything there and the links shown too.
http://androidforums.com/sprint/272829-lte-vs-wimax-charges-control-data.html
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Interesting stuff but no links or docs. Are we just supposed to take his anonymous word for it?
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good read if you have the time to read everything there and the links shown too.
http://androidforums.com/sprint/272829-lte-vs-wimax-charges-control-data.html
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This post is 100% B.S. Wimax and LTE are pure-IP networks and either can be controlled on a per-packet level if the operator chooses to do so.
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This post is 100% B.S. Wimax and LTE are pure-IP networks and either can be controlled on a per-packet level if the operator chooses to do so.
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Yes they "could" be controlled but the point the poster "RiverofIce" was saying is that it isn't allowed to be done with WiMax in the first place.
the third post has the doc links supporting the LTE policy's and how they will manage the traffic.
form that link.. (which i am the OP of)
you can see how the other carriers with lte are planning to make it a toll road of it... this is 100% going to happen on lte.
wimax .. is open.. full access and should not be limited... of course anything can be designed or created to limit it.
i would rather take my chances with a maybe.. than a 100% sure pocket robbery.
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Yes they "could" be controlled but the point the poster "RiverofIce" was saying is that it isn't allowed to be done with WiMax in the first place.
the third post has the doc links supporting the LTE policy's and how they will manage the traffic.
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What is the source for the claim that WiMax must be a neutral network? Who enforces this?
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LTE in and of itself is open as well. It's just that there are no rules governing putting in toll roads like on WiMAX. It's just like Android is in and of itself open-source, but others (HTC Sense, MIUI, etc) can and do create closed source iterations. Sprint going LTE doesn't preclude that they will put up toll roads.
hmmm net neutrality. Very controversial topic being debated on the hill with millions of dollars of lobbyist money. I'm more worried about where Justin bieber keeps his rabbit. Now thY
at would be an announcement show.
I'm no business genius but I propose a question.
What if Sprint is just letting Clear wither away for a while so it will be cheaper to buy them up and then do whatever the hell they want to with the network?
DISCLAIMER::: Do not take this as a rumor or start an argument over how I posted this without proof. This is just a thought for a discussion.
^^^
i have heard... sprint owns 51% of clear... so the already control it.
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i have heard... sprint owns 51% of clear... so the already control it.
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Yeah. It's just that officially, Sprint is a MVDO (equivalent of Cricket to Sprint) to Clear. Never understood how Sprint could be 51% owner, but yet have no direct control.
I think they should focus on making their 3G network a 3G network first, since right now, I'm pretty sure edge would beat what I get for 3G. :|
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I think they should focus on making their 3G network a 3G network first, since right now, I'm pretty sure edge would beat what I get for 3G. :|
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+9999999999 for sure.
Just ran a speed test on 3G. 148/381. Wtf.
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=.../www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2386864,00.asp
They should upgrade those damn GPS.
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Thats been common knowledge for awhile now that they fail on GPS.
Well that's no good. The sad part is, since the issue is that GPS satellites are relatively weak compared to Lightsquared, the only real solution would be for Lightsquared to adjust their broadcast. which i would think means slower(then is possible) data speeds.
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Well that's no good. The sad part is, since the issue is that GPS satellites are relatively weak compared to Lightsquared, the only real solution would be for Lightsquared to adjust their broadcast. which i would think means slower(then is possible) data speeds.
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yeah I'm surprised that they would run that article as that news is pretty old about them failing the GPS sats and causing interferince.
As assumed they responded with the "we think we have a fix for it though..." line in response.
Its worth noting that this was B4 sprint came out saying they were going with them too...
Lte is failed we all know wimax wave 2 will beat lte in no time
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Lte is failed we all know wimax wave 2 will beat lte in no time
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Yes!
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Lightsquared is dead in the water, they scammed the FCC to use the low powered frequency band of the satellites in high powered ground stations. Their license technically doesn't allow this and if it didn't interfere with gps they may have just overlooked it. Now congress is involved and the military said that defense of the country and defense of gps navigation is a higher priority than broadband. They will never be able to go online. We aren't talking about grandma in her car not being able to navigate to walmart. We are talking about planes falling out of the sky and smart bombs not landing on their targets.
Lightsquared is a very ambitious company. The concept of having LTE 4G anywhere you can see sky is very intriguing. However Clearwire is currently conducting their own LTE trials anyway. I'm guessing Sprint could go Clearwire's route for LTE also?
For those of us who don't live in a major US city, lets just hope Lightsquared gets their technology figured out.
The whole point of the Sprint deal is so lightsquared can use Sprint's spectrum instead of the spectrum that is interfering with GPS.
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Still makes me wonder where this leaves WiMax. Though, Doesnt say whether or not Sprint will actually utilize LTE for its own. BUT we'll see how this all plays out. Never the less, exciting news for Sprint. Cant wait to get some of that 800mhz goodness on my next phone once Network Vision starts rolling out!!
http://newsroom.sprint.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1989
I'm due for my upgrade in september, but I'm willing to keep my evo and save that upgrade for an LTE phone when its released.
Lightsquared still has to get the interference problem with GPS sorted out.
I wonder if the newer 4G WiMax phones will be upgradable?
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Lightsquared still has to get the interference problem with GPS sorted out.
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They already did if I remember correctly
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sk63 said:
Lightsquared still has to get the interference problem with GPS sorted out.
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They have pretty much done that:
http://www.lightsquared.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/PoliticoPro.6.30.11.pdf
I think that this is potentially great news. Considering that Sprint just posted another nearly billion dollars in loss for the second quarter, they need a shot in the arm badly. Instant nation-wide LTE would be a big boost to them. If they got this along with the new iPhone, I think that they could really start making some headway against the bigger phone companies.
I hope so, at any rate. I am rooting for Sprint (no pun intended) in a big way, because if they went out of business or, worse, were bought by one of the big two, I don't know what I'd do.
a lot of money needs to be pulled somewhere to make this LTE happen. I belive LTE is why Verizon charges so much for data. I hope this don't mean the end of unlimited data in the future.
I'd prefer unlimited Wimax over $80 10gb LTE any day of the week
I wonder if they will be attempting to run Wimax and LTE, using both for some reason..
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I wonder if they will be attempting to run Wimax and LTE, using both for some reason..
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The contact with the WiMax supplier will expire soon and no word of they will renew it
Ahh, that makes sense then. I don't use 4G much, however it is nice to have it when you need it. I live less than .1 miles from the current edge of 4G in my area.
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I wonder if they will be attempting to run Wimax and LTE, using both for some reason..
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They will until their contract expires, sprint will run the 2.5ghz wimax signal on a different freq than LTE I believe. I think thats what going on now; if i read correctly sprint is phasing out the nextel push to talk bs thats using their 800 freq and thats what wimax is going to use until they build network vison.
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I wonder if the newer 4G WiMax phones will be upgradable?
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doubt it as that would require swapping hardware dont know if they're going to do that for millions of phones.
exciting
if this is true this is pretty exciting
I talked to one of the service people at sprint and he said its going to be a software upgrade for all the current wimax phones. He also gave me a sneak peek of some of their new phones coming out.
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I talked to one of the service people at sprint and he said its going to be a software upgrade for all the current wimax phones. He also gave me a sneak peek of some of their new phones coming out.
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Sounds like a little guesswork mixed with a lot of BS.
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I talked to one of the service people at sprint and he said its going to be a software upgrade for all the current wimax phones. He also gave me a sneak peek of some of their new phones coming out.
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I have a real hard time believing anyone at the Sprint store (save for MAYBE corporate) would know anything about new phones, much less be able to show you. In my experience, the in store people are more clueless about their own phones then their users are.
But i digress. I thought Sprint was going to use the LTE on the backend (i can't remember the term, backhaul, backbone, etc) to speed up wimax AND 3G in one fell swoop.
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They will until their contract expires, sprint will run the 2.5ghz wimax signal on a different freq than LTE I believe. I think thats what going on now; if i read correctly sprint is phasing out the nextel push to talk bs thats using their 800 freq and thats what wimax is going to use until they build network vison.
doubt it as that would require swapping hardware dont know if they're going to do that for millions of phones.
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network vision upgrades are part of phasing out nextel iden phones. they are switching all iden customers over to the new cdma ptt thing they have, and will have phones supporting it out later this year. I'm pretty sure iden is set to run till 2013 too.
wimax can't run on 800MHz less they get it provisioned with the FCC to run on that freq too b/c right now its only provisioned for the higher band ones for some reason.
theres no clue what exactly they are going to do with wimax in the far future exactly wether it be for backhaul or something else.
The lightsquared deal gets lightsquare the ability to set up their lte on sprints network and they plan to have it rolled out to first markets in 2012, and will have nationwide coverage over one year ahead of the FCC mandate which puts it around 2014
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I believe that you are correct. There was an article not long ago elaborating on Sprint's plan to move to LTE in the future due to both Clearwire's financial troubles and instability, as well as LTE's ultimate higher potential.
It stated that as the move to LTE gets closer, phones that support both will begin to be released. However, I was made to understand that LTE and WiMAX require different hardware so they would both have to be included. This would appear to indicate that a software/firmware update to an existing phone designed for WiMAX would not be a reality.
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I talked to one of the service people at sprint and he said its going to be a software upgrade for all the current wimax phones. He also gave me a sneak peek of some of their new phones coming out.
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Sorry bro who ever you talked to does'nt know what they talking about wimax and lte use defferent radios. We will need to get new phones.
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Lightsquared still has to get the interference problem with GPS sorted out.
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They have pretty much done that:
http://www.lightsquared.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/PoliticoPro.6.30.11.pdf
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They actually aren't even close to working that out yet. As a matter of fact, all of the major aviation related industry groups have just formed a coalition (click this link to see the coalition web page) to fight Lightsquared's proposal. The problem is, Lightsquared's so called "solution" is to require all GPS equipment manufactures to upgrade their devices to eliminate the interference that Lightsquared's system would cause. This is probably not going to happen, as it would cost thousands of dollars each to replace the GPS navigation system in every aircraft that has one, which includes the majority of aircraft currently flying in the US, including US military aircraft. Because it is a flight safety issue, and their current proposed solution would involve millions, or even billions of dollars to implement, I seriously doubt a solution that will allow Lightsquared to go forward will come very soon.
While I am by no means an expert on the technology, my understanding of the problem is that Lightsquared's high powered land based transmitters operate on a frequency band so close to the band that GPS satellite's low powered downlink signals are transmitted on, that they basically jam the signal that the GPS receivers are trying to receive. The result is that GPS receivers are effectively useless when operating anywhere near a Lightsquared transmitter. Sounds pretty hard to fix to me.
wanted to comment again on the Lightsquared LTE talk about the interference with GPS devices. The CEO was on CNBC this past week and when the question came up about the interference it was pretty simple answer and it really made it seem like the media has gotten it all backwards.
The FCC has mandated they have a buildout done by time X and granted them access to spectrum X. Well the interference with GPS devices that has come up is not b/c of Lightsquared's fault, it is b/c the GPS devices are not filtering out lightsquared's freq/spectrum even though they were given years head notice that this would be happening. So its b/c the GPS devices are coming onto Lightsquared's area and not the other way around.
the gps issue is a non issue with regards to lightsquared b/c its not their fault, its the gps manufacturers for not taking proper measures to be ready for lightsquareds rollout when they knew way in advance.
Sprint will reveal in October the news that they will be sharing the LTE signal and towers with Verizon. According to something I read and a employee dude in the Sprint store told me. Anyone has any info on this?
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Sprint will reveal in October the news that they will be sharing the LTE signal and towers with Verizon. According to something I read and a employee dude in the Sprint store told me. Anyone has any info on this?
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Verizon owns their network.
They might have a deal (much like the cdma deal) where they will be able to roam across networks...but its highly unlikely that Verizon would truly "share" their network with Sprint in the way you're thinking. (As in how Clear has with wimax)
Announcement link here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1241021
Im wondering if wimax radios will become useful for nothing.
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I See this happening for only one reason.
It would be way cheaper.
The companies could use a data swapping model.
The two companies would swap equal amounts of data for no charge. and charge who ever uses more.
This method would allow the companies to expand their network and advertise they have more coverage.
\It will not be free but it will need to have some sort of method for finding out who uses what data who is going to be charged. This would allow cheaper costs and to have a huge footprint rather fast. It will also give time for the companies to save $$$ and build out their networks and switch solely to their LTE towers.
Again these companies will never do this. BUT. LTE hopping while using some sort of data swapping...Ehh
May or may not happen.
ok...but how about all the wimax phones sprint has and none lte....
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ok...but how about all the wimax phones sprint has and none lte....
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Folks, keep in mind that networks take a long time to be built.
But yes, Wimax is looking to become the next 'BetaMax'.
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Im wondering if wimax radios will become useful for nothing.
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Its already useless where I live. I'm not to worried about LTE and switching phones since as mentioned it takes a while. Still waiting to get my hands on that new Galaxy model.
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Folks, keep in mind that networks take a long time to be built.
But yes, Wimax is looking to become the next 'BetaMax'.
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Lol I remember watching our betamax when I was young.
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Betamax has better audio quality than VHS.
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Betamax has better audio quality than VHS.
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From what I understand the video quality was better too.
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Not sure what that has to do with this topic?
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From what I understand the video quality was better too.
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Not sure what that has to do with this topic?
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Just like Wimax better then LTE but being dropped like beta is probably the reference he's makin
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I was told..... radioactive waste had high nutritional value.
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I was told..... radioactive waste had high nutritional value.
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Awesome
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Im wondering if wimax radios will become useful for nothing.
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Evo, Evo Shift, Epic 4g, Evo 3d, Random Samsung phone, and the Epic Touch coming are all WiMax, so I doubt it'll become useless.
Its not like they're just gonna immediately shut down the Wimax network anyway.
If they do, by the time they do, no one will have a Wimax capable phone.
"Sprint on Thursday announced that it has inked a deal with LightSquared will see 4G LTE services built out on its massive nationwide network. LightSquared will pay Sprint $9 billion over 15 years for the right to build out its LTE network using Sprint infrastructure, and Sprint will also get a total of $4.5 billion in credits toward LTE and satellite service. Equally important to the nation’s No. 3 carrier, the deal will allow it to save about $13 billion in network build-out costs and cover 260 million Americans with its 4G LTE service by 2015."
http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/28/sprint-announces-deal-to-adopt-4g-lte/
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"Sprint on Thursday announced that it has inked a deal with LightSquared will see 4G LTE services built out on its massive nationwide network. LightSquared will pay Sprint $9 billion over 15 years for the right to build out its LTE network using Sprint infrastructure, and Sprint will also get a total of $4.5 billion in credits toward LTE and satellite service. Equally important to the nation’s No. 3 carrier, the deal will allow it to save about $13 billion in network build-out costs and cover 260 million Americans with its 4G LTE service by 2015."
http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/28/sprint-announces-deal-to-adopt-4g-lte/
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Yeah, that's old news.
Were talking about this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1241021
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Yeah, that's old news.
Were talking about this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1241021
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Sprint will be using LTE but named differently to not "confuse" the consumer Jan 1st 2012
I call BULLSHxT!
Wimax isn't going away... It was designed as a back haul system... Wimax can carry alot more data than LTE because of the spectrum it uses but can't penetrate building worth a crap. Wimax makes an excellent tower to tower communications system that LTE could only dream of so the goal should be use both systems for there designed purpose.
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i talked to sprint the other day and they are already doing it, however they are actually in the proccess of building there own 4g network with the lte technology to be completed by 2018.