The chairman of Clearwire's board of directors will resign his position today, according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Craig McCaw, who served as chairman for two years, did not resign over any disagreements with the company or over any matters pertaining to the company's operations or practices, according to the filing.
The company, which has visions of being a major player in the 4G wireless space, has been adding subscribers at a rapid clip as the WiMax technology has rolled out into cities. But the company has also hit a cash crunch and, last month, said it will have to cut its workforce by 15 percent, trim its marketing spending, and delay plans for launches in other cities. Read more of "Clearwire's Chairman to resign post today" at ZDNet.
Good shut clear down for good make sprint rules the real 4g with no caps at dial up speeds or lower
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You do realize that shutting clear down at this time means losing complete access to 4g right?
Better for that to happen after the network changes where 4G equipment is on our towers and in our BTS boxes and what not.
Otherwise Sprint has no 4G hardware solution currently deployed in any box or tower.
So...lets get that done first.
competition in business is a GOOD thing.
No Clearwire = No 4G = No $10/mo multimedia rich experience fee?
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If they get shutdown would sprint have to join LTE services? If so wouldn't wimax compatible phone have to be recalled? Would we get hwd 005 Evo's that support LTE?
sprint more than likely will join LTE regardless of what happens with clear although Wimax2 is a beast
I read somewhere that we can use LTE we just need a radio update.
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I read somewhere that we can use LTE we just need a radio update.
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Not true.
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wimax is supposedly lte compatible but only if you take a big performance hit, the reason being that wimax and lte is supposed to be the same hardware just different software implementation, this is what an engineer told me but i still take it with a truckload of salt, as far as i can tell only one variant of lte is compatible with wimax and offers no improvement, to my understanding its only the hardware in the tower thats cross compatible and not the lte/wimax chipsets used in phones and modems, i do recall wimax being called future proof though
I am not sure if you all know, that Sprint does not own most of there towers that they have data and voice services. For example in So Cali most of the Cell towers that have 3g and 4g are own and operated but guess who; not sprint that is right they are owned and operated by Clearwire and this is true for most of the country. Sprint sold off most of there towers years ago.
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I am not sure if you all know, that Sprint does not own most of there towers that they have data and voice services. For example in So Cali most of the Cell towers that have 3g and 4g are own and operated but guess who; not sprint that is right they are owned and operated by Clearwire and this is true for most of the country. Sprint sold off most of there towers years ago.
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That may be true but... Rember that lil Sprint/Clearwire merger while back? Pretty sure that makes them Sprints doesnt it?
for 4g, clearwire owns them, sprint uses them.
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If they get shutdown would sprint have to join LTE services? If so wouldn't wimax compatible phone have to be recalled? Would we get hwd 005 Evo's that support LTE?
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No, it wouldn't be recalled. No, LTE would not simply be a new hardware revision of the same phone.
Regardless of what happens with clearwire, a transition from WiMax to LTE is likely at some point. There's been speculation of that for over a year now, as LTE is emerging as the standard. I don't know if they have all the specifics worked out, but they'll probably look for a way to light up LTE and phase out WiMax at a later time. If they go that route, at some point they'll stop marketing WiMax phones. 2 years from that point, everybody is upgrade eligible, so they notify everyone that it's time to upgrade, or 4G access won't be available. The 3G network will probably still be alive and well, so it won't be a brick.
As to whether a sudden bankruptcy of clearwire would mean 4G would go dark prematurely, I think that's unlikely. Despite their debt problems, the network and spectrum they own is a major asset. Sprint is also a majority owner, and the original owner of some of those assets as well. Sprint has a major interest in that infrastructure continuing to exist and serve their customers. I think it's pretty likely that some arrangement will be made that would be completely transparent to customers as far as operation of the network.
Doesn't sprint own 51% of clear? I believe sprint could just buyout the rest, but are trying to avoid that decision.
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Doesn't sprint own 51% of clear? I believe sprint could just buyout the rest, but are trying to avoid that decision.
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From what I heard, Sprint did something to try to protect themselves from responsibility if Clearwire fails ultimately via their execs stepping down from Clearwire's board of directors? Something to that effect. I'm not sure if it was intentional, though, since I guess it was related to anti-trust issues but in the long run it might end up benefiting Sprint.
Recently Clearwire was trying to get Sprint to buy their 1.1 billion debt but the deadline passed on January 2nd and Sprint took no action to do so, so who knows.
It's been an interesting journey for Clear it seems.
Damnit! I know the Evo will probably be obsolete by the time this issue is resolved and LTE will possibly prevail but I hate being on the loosing side of the battle.
I guess this is no different than Beta vs. Vhs or HD dvd vs. Blu-ray. One format will win. I just don't like how Verizon and At&t get away with continually conning the public with over priced services and convincing them that everything they offer is superior.
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Omg sprint owns 4g towers every 4g is on sprint towers not clear clear is using sprint back bone and yea clear shutting down for good and 4g will remain 4g with sprint as it should be
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Omg sprint owns 4g towers every 4g is on sprint towers not clear clear is using sprint back bone and yea clear shutting down for good and 4g will remain 4g with sprint as it should be
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Clearly you have NO idea what you're talking about. The two 4G towers near me are owned by CLEAR not Sprint.
In my area there are clear kiosks all over the local malls here.
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Cash-Strapped Clearwire Slashes Staff, Halts Roll Outs:
Clearwire has run into some money troubles. In a third-quarter earnings report, the company said it has "not yet secured future funding," and must implement a number of cost-saving measures, including layoffs and a suspension of additional market roll outs.
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I have to worry about the future of Sprint's 4G network.
It says in the article that sprints 4g plans have not changed. Kinda sucks but oh well.
Yes, all along they've been careful to clarify that Clearwire's retail 4G service is distinct from the Sprint 4G service.
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Yes, all along they've been careful to clarify that Clearwire's retail 4G service is distinct from the Sprint 4G service.
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But don't they share the same Wimax infrastructure? For example, if the Clearwire buildout in Denver and Miami is deferred, as the story says, then wouldn't that mean that Sprint 4G service in those cities is also deferred?
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But don't they share the same Wimax infrastructure? For example, if the Clearwire buildout in Denver and Miami is deferred, as the story says, then wouldn't that mean that Sprint 4G service in those cities is also deferred?
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Not necessarily, I am not familiar with the contract agreements between them, but from what I have gathered - Clear is more the boots on the ground and Sprint is the cash cow. In other words, Sprint provides the funding for the infrastructure, Clear just has the man power and know how to get the job setup.
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Not necessarily, I am not familiar with the contract agreements between them, but from what I have gathered - Clear is more the boots on the ground and Sprint is the cash cow. In other words, Sprint provides the funding for the infrastructure, Clear just has the man power and know how to get the job setup.
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I'm not talking about the contract agreements, but the tangible network infrastructure. It is the real boots on the ground that are being cut.
It seems pretty simple: If the actual Wimax network doesn't get physically built out or expanded, then it isn't there for Sprint to use. (It also wouldn't be there for Clear service, Time Warner mobile data service, etc., which I don't care about.)
Well I do know that we got 4G in South FL now. not all areas, but most. my house doesn't have it, but south and north of me does.
You won't see anything happening to sprint. The 4G is only going to get bigger.
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people there is noooo need to worry. what clearwire is doing is just cutting staff now to prepare for the future. clearwires profit and subscriber rates skyrocketed over the past year, and to better be sure they can keep more money and expand more latter,,,, they are pretty much just cutting the staff now so they wont have to do it later. the future of 4g is not in jeopardy or anything like that. atleast for now
I concur with boomer.
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people there is noooo need to worry. what clearwire is doing is just cutting staff now to prepare for the future. clearwires profit and subscriber rates skyrocketed over the past year, and to better be sure they can keep more money and expand more latter,,,, they are pretty much just cutting the staff now so they wont have to do it later. the future of 4g is not in jeopardy or anything like that. atleast for now
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WTF? Clearwire is losing money, $139 million last quarter and has never turned a profit (sprint itself also lost one billion dollars this quarter alone).
The analysts are saying the NY rollout was done with the very last of clearwire's reserves.
this means cuts in 4g rollout for clearwire which is the rollout of sprint 4G.
It isn't a question of them turning out the lights, yet, but it is that this clearly means that the new rollouts, and existing cities which all need beefing up and maintenance as more users come on line, will suffer.
Expansion and much needed beefing up of already deployed markets will suffer -- there is no other way to read it. Clearwire is also not going to be able to fund its planned changeover to LTE without a major injection of money from god knows where, or selling some if ts spectrum
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Absolutely
I talked to a fry's employee the other day (facts to keep in mind: in Orange County, CA, Fry's doesn't carry sprint, and they work on commission.) He said that 4G was going to go away, that no more towers were going up, and that sprint didn't use clearwire's towers. For reference, I get 5mbits down on 4G in that particular location.
He went on to say that there's a reason sprint hasn't released any more 4G phones, that T-Mobile was going to buy sprint (I'm assuming he meant Deutche Telekom), and that they were going to release a bunch of android dual CDMA/GSM combo phones. But then he went on to say that he's got the "best of everything" including his new G2 where he's getting d/l speeds of "14 megapixels".
Prior, I had just asked him if they sold extra batteries for the Epic. But either way, i'm curious which bits could be true. This was last week, before I saw a lot of these publicized sprint/clearwire woes.
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I talked to a fry's employee the other day...
...He said that 4G was going to go away,
...that no more towers were going up
...and that sprint didn't use clearwire's towers..
...that there's a reason sprint hasn't released any more 4G phones, that T-Mobile was going to buy sprint (I'm assuming he meant Deutche Telekom),
.....and that they were going to release a bunch of android dual CDMA/GSM combo phones.
.....But then he went on to say that he's got the "best of everything" including his new G2 where he's getting d/l speeds of "14 megapixels".
...... i'm curious which bits could be true.
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A: None
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The plot thickens.
http://androidspin.com/2010/11/13/goodbye-clear-can-clear-survive-with-or-without-sprint/
"reported that the two carriers have entered into an arbitration process regarding the “Premium Fee” of $10 per month for Evo 4G and Epic 4G phones. Clearwire said that there are nearly 810,000 customers with either the Evo or Epic phones; out of these customers Clearwire estimates as many as 364,500 of them are being used in cities without WiMAX deployment areas. This has led Sprint to reevaluate the agreement that they have with Clear"
Does this mean sprint is looking at not charing people the $10 fee if they dont live in a area with 4g/wimax? We dont have it in my area but have been thinking of going to sprint but we want 4 good android phoens and $40 a month kinda defeats the purpose of going to sprint to save cash
It means Sprint thinks Clear(wire) isn't delivering on its promise to deliver 4G and they're (Sprint) is concerned Clear is (may) take some of Sprint's customers.
The fee won't go away; Clear needs it to stay liquid and not go into bankruptcy. But if Clear takes Sprint customers, Sprint can't pay the wholesale fees for 4G spectrum.
Basically unless Sprint can get some cash into Clear (subscribers or investors or buyers), Clear goes bankrupt within 12 months and WIMAX disappears. Sprint might sell off thr WIMAX spectrum as no other carrier in the U.S. wants WIMAX - they're all LTE.
If Clear goes, things don't look great for Sprint.
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sprint needs to follow verizons path, and offer 4g in every football city.
WiMax for a long time.
http://www.talkandroid.com/32355-sprint-ceo-clearwire-in-every-option-for-companys-future/
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WiMax for a long time.
http://www.talkandroid.com/32355-sprint-ceo-clearwire-in-every-option-for-companys-future/
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Good info, but why is the thread titled "we have LTE?" Isn't this the complete opposite of that?
Good good. Looks like we can hope for increased speed and better coverage in the future.
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Now if they would bring 4G to Louisville.. that would be great
Lexington, KY, SIR
I got family in the Atlanta area, Im considering moving there to enjoy some 4g, plus living out here in the sticks is boring as hell.
Why is it called "there you have LTE"???
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I got family in the Atlanta area, Im considering moving there to enjoy some 4g, plus living out here in the sticks is boring as hell.
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I wouldn't move just for 4G. It's seriously not that big a deal. I live in a 4G area and I very, very rarely turn on my 4G radio.
However, I see in your info that you live in Dexter, so you might want to GTFO no matter what! lol (I grew up in Sikeston!)
Great sprint is sticking to a slow ass 4g network that I can't use indoors and is available for 10% of the population lol
I hope the tmobile thing happens though. Would be nice to have done real 4g.
Anyways just my .02
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Your title maybe accurate.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/...And-Clearwire-Are-Absolutely-Going-LTE-113089
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WiMax for a long time.
http://www.talkandroid.com/32355-sprint-ceo-clearwire-in-every-option-for-companys-future/
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The article doesn't say no LTE. It says they intend to continue working with clearwire. It doesn't preclude that they'd do an LTE network of their own, or that clearwire would move to or add LTE.
And CEO statements on future plans are valid for only as long as it takes the sound to leave their mouth. Sometimes not even that long.
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The article doesn't say no LTE. It says they intend to continue working with clearwire. It doesn't preclude that they'd do an LTE network of their own, or that clearwire would move to or add LTE.
And CEO statements on future plans are valid for only as long as it takes the sound to leave their mouth. Sometimes not even that long.
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Not now, in the future. Maybe when they buy tmobile.
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Who cares just wait for wimax 2 and lte will be a joke
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Who cares just wait for wimax 2 and lte will be a joke
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Out of curiosity, does wimax 2 penetrate better? (insert butthead laughing here)
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The article doesn't say no LTE. It says they intend to continue working with clearwire. It doesn't preclude that they'd do an LTE network of their own, or that clearwire would move to or add LTE.
And CEO statements on future plans are valid for only as long as it takes the sound to leave their mouth. Sometimes not even that long.
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it does mention wimax... and long future.
i am glad we are staying with wimax.. and hope this is not a smoke screen.
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Your title maybe accurate.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/...And-Clearwire-Are-Absolutely-Going-LTE-113089
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Ignore The Smoke: Sprint And Clearwire Are Absolutely Going LTE
CEO Continues To Downplay Massive Shift On Horizon
by Karl Bode 3 hours ago tags: coverage · business · hardware · bandwidth · consumers · Sprint Telecom · wireless · Clearwire Wireless · Clearwire
Yesterday we exclusively reported that Lightsquared would be ditching Nokia for their LTE network build, instead piggybacking on Sprint's base station overhaul being conducted by Alcatel-Lucent, Ericcson and Samsung. Speaking at the Deutsche Bank Media and Telecom Conference today (audio here), Sprint CEO Dan Hesse reiterated Sprint's dedication to Clearwire and WiMax, despite numerous signs the company is ready to go the LTE route, alone if necessary. "Every option that we're looking at, every one includes WiMAX and Clearwire," Hesse informed attendees, while insisting that neither Clearwire or Sprint have made any decision to migrate to LTE.
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That's in sharp contrast from what we're hearing from numerous insiders at both companies. Several sources familiar with Sprint's engineering agenda note that Sprint absolutely will be going LTE, though WiMax service will be run simultaneously initially. Aside from the energy efficiency and cost savings, LTE flexibility is among the top reasons for Sprint's recently announced $5 billion base station retrofit.
Insiders familiar with Clearwire's plans meanwhile tell Broadband Reports Clearwire has also already made the decision to embrace LTE -- and the only question is what specific flavor of LTE and what vendor(s). Next month Clearwire executives will attend a test of three different LTE technologies from various vendors, including TD-LTE and FD-LTE, outside of Scottsdale, Arizona. Meanwhile, several Clearwire sources insist the company has placed a freeze on the installation of any new Mobile WiMax basestations.
While it's clear that all of this signals the inevitable death of Mobile WiMax as a serious player in North America (outside of niche application), what isn't clear is the width and breadth of Sprint and Clearwire's future relationship. That won't be fully apparent until Sprint and Clearwire negotiations are complete. Sprint's future plans could very well include Clearwire, though Sprint has been engaged in a significant number of contingency plans in case Clearwire falters, ranging from their as-yet-unannounced partnership with Lightsquared, to this week's renewed rumors of a potential T-Mobile/Sprint merger. Expect Lightsquared to make some of this official at CTIA later this month.
dont care if its 4g or LTE ... FIX YOUR DAMN 3g data !
yeah article doesn't say they wont go LTE just that they are sticking with WiMax for a long time with Clearwire. Its been rumored also for awhile that they could do dual WiMax and add LTE on the old nextel freq. Which makes sense, why ditch wimax and that use of the spectrum if you dont have to? There not putting LTE in that band so it makes no sense to get fully rid of WiMax.
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Not now, in the future. Maybe when they buy tmobile.
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soo... is it confirmed that the t-mobile buyout is happening then?
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soo... is it confirmed that the t-mobile buyout is happening then?
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Well as many of you read on Engadget about Sprint switching from WiMax to LTE. Well naturally being curious, while I was stopping by my parents house on the way home I asked my dad who worked in telecom for most of my life doing contract work for Sprint. He now has since moved out telecom to some other department, but he still keeps up with his telecom friends who do contracting work for Sprint. Anyways back to the point I asked if these rumors were true. He said Yes they are switching from WiMax, but not to what and that Samsung is providing the equipment. If i find out anymore information I will let you know.
i dont really know anything about the 4g radio in my evo, but would it still work on LTE?
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i dont really know anything about the 4g radio in my evo, but would it still work on LTE?
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Everything would still work on the phone but the 4G LTE.
There aren't phasing out WiMax yet from what it sounds like, but since the Evo 4G wasn't designed with LTE in mind then no the LTE won't work on the Evo.
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There aren't phasing out WiMax yet from what it sounds like, but since the Evo 4G wasn't designed with LTE in mind then no the LTE won't work on the Evo.
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but does this mean that they are going to stop expanding the 4g network, and focus only on getting LTE up in more places? this is kind of a kick in the balls for people who just bought 4g capable devices with sprint.
They'll probably continue to expand and run Wimax on 2.5 Ghz and run LTE in parallel on 850 Mhz.
The way I understand, you would be able to swap out cards in the towers to swap out from wimax to lte... At least on new towers. Is that true?
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The way I understand, you would be able to swap out cards in the towers to swap out from wimax to lte... At least on new towers. Is that true?
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Yes, but you can't swap out the hardware in your phone from wimax to LTE.
So sprint gonna issue new lte Evos to us? Lol I mean if this happens then I guess we all have grounds for leaving sprint without etf for them not holding up to their end of the contract....wimax. not saying I'd leave but I enjoy 4g.....on my Evo!
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So sprint gonna issue new lte Evos to us? Lol I mean if this happens then I guess we all have grounds for leaving sprint without etf for them not holding up to their end of the contract....wimax. not saying I'd leave but I enjoy 4g.....on my Evo!
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By the time this is completed, the Evo will be obsolete.
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So sprint gonna issue new lte Evos to us? Lol I mean if this happens then I guess we all have grounds for leaving sprint without etf for them not holding up to their end of the contract....wimax. not saying I'd leave but I enjoy 4g.....on my Evo!
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No lol.. i am sure if you have 4g service you would still get it.
No offense but you have like 5 posts Including 2 in this thread, and you've been a member here just as long as I have pretty much...I'll believe it when I see it, and as ruge said, the evo will be the compare to as the nextel chirp phones back in the day and the razor, obsolete, trust me, no evo will have lte
the Evo 2A will have lte, I promise
Edit: I am changing this because I read this post wrong. You are right they are about to use Samsung products on the new towers but its not to change wimax, it is to make the towers more efficient and smaller. From what I was told they will use new technology which will allow them to add all services on one tower and be able to free up frequency to build out. It would not be imho to drop wimax because they will be the only ones to utilize it giving them an advantage in developing. Back on topic he is correct they are making upgrades and using new hardware within the towers but I think its imho to have voice/data simultaneous on a cdma network (a first) and they will do it with wimax 2 starting 2012...(that is just my opinion)
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Credit-Suisse-SprintLightsquared-Deal-to-be-Announced-Soon-113587
They seem pretty adamant on sprint moving to lte
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http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Credit-Suisse-SprintLightsquared-Deal-to-be-Announced-Soon-113587
They seem pretty adamant on sprint moving to lte
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yes it will be BOTH, in years from now, which will be = 2 the razr in todays age
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This is complete bs as I know 2 top engineers working for sprint and neither have heard such news.... now I usually don't feed into this he say/she say because it won't change a thing but please don't spread speculations amongst the forum without having concrete facts. Sprint also stated recently they were keeping there 800 spectrum and making upgrades to it for business who utilize the "ptt" phones and not using it for lte. All it takes is a little reading....
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I believe I know the article you are referring to as it was in another thread on here and discussed the new PTT service they will use once IDEN is turned off and it will include more speeds and the likes for data.
The way I took the article was that the new PTT phones will take advantage of the new network upgrade they are performing i think its called Sprints Network vision. The multimode base-stations will be the key to it all.
In the end the change allows them to use all the networks more interchangably from what I understand.
I would not expect them to keep the 800MHz band for CDMA PTT. they stated that CDMA PTT phones will be out late this year and if thats the case and they were planning on having them run on the IDEN 800MHz band wouldn't IDEN need to be shut off first? I take it as the CDMA PTT phones will run on the regular network and use data form the 800MHz once they deploy LTE on that. they can't put WiMax on the 800MHz b/c WiMax isn't provisioned in that spectrum at this point.
As I stated in my edited reply it would not make sense to use technology the others are using because it would not make good marketing. Also wimax 2 will be out second quarter or half this year, can't recall, and around the exact same time frame for those new phones. Also the new hardware being supplied to sprint and their new plan is at the core of what wimax 2 is. Which is stated to give better download speed and efficiency thru multi data channels. The company supplying the hardware, Samsung, also The first company to test wimax 2 and said it got 130mbs download, but that's with no one else testing it. But you get the picture.... I hope
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My main issue with sprint is signal penetration. Once I get in a building or etc my signal just goes to ****. My coworkers have t-mobile and Verizon and they get full bars sitting next to me laughing at my 1 bar. It has been this way for years.
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My main issue with sprint is signal penetration. Once I get in a building or etc my signal just goes to ****. My coworkers have t-mobile and Verizon and they get full bars sitting next to me laughing at my 1 bar. It has been this way for years.
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Sorry to hear that... I also don't get good signal in certain places but hey each carrier has bad spots, when I am in the studio some artist who have iPhone or att don't have any service while myself and engineer have full bars, though he has Verizon
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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2388741,00.asp
Probably the LTE switch.
via EVO.
Likely that they will be running both technologies.
Sprint can't afford for clearwire to faulter yet. Sprint will slowly move out of it meaning no more expansion of wimax, If they want the Iphone with 4g they will need to go lte anyways. They will limp clearwire along until they can afford to let it go belly up.
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Sprint can't afford for clearwire to faulter yet. Sprint will slowly move out of it meaning no more expansion of wimax, If they want the Iphone with 4g they will need to go lte anyways. They will limp clearwire along until they can afford to let it go belly up.
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They own the company via majority ownership soo Clearwire is theirs to do as they see fit... It would be pointless for them to keep pouring money into it. But Supposdly the plan to run many technologies using the same panels is supposed to help along with expansions...
I could see them announcing phones with either both technologies, or just one of the technologies (though I highly doubt the latter of the two).
Sprint has too much to lose if they decide to drop wimax. That completely defeats the purpose of launching new phones with 4G. Not only that, but a lot of people that have switched to Sprint for there smartphones most likely have a 4G capable device. To top that all off, Sprint has spent a lot of money on Clearwire, so it would be extremely stupid to just throw all of their progress away.
Now I haven't heard of a dual mode lte/wimax chip yet (I remember something but I don't think it was wimax), but if Sprint did use that in future phones, that would be completely awesome. It would allow them to keep their current investments while also introducing new products.
On the phone side, I could see them announcing an Iphone, the Kingdom, the Galaxy Within (although that may come sooner), another Samsung Phone, and maybe a few mid class smartphones. Most of these are just guesses, but I would be happy if I was right
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It would be nice if Sprint would expand both their existing 4g as well as the possible new 4g, as they have many existing customers who pay the extra 4g fee as they've been told by sprint stores that "it's coming" to their area.
It would be another disappointment if this turned out to be a dangling carrot to increase sales.
There is no "4g" fee. It's a fee for ALL smart phones. 3g and 4g.
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This announcement is likely about their partnership with LightSquared, the wholesale LTE provider that was causing grief with GPS systems. It provides land-and-satellite based LTE that could potentially provide coverage across the entire United States.
I highly doubt that Sprint is going to keep investing in WiMax phones once their LTE network goes full-throttle. Clear is already having problems, and adoption of their services hasn't been as great as they hoped it would be. They'll be around as an ISP for a while, but Sprint isn't going to go out its way to develop hybrid LTE/WiMax chips when LTE is clearly the technology of the future. Honestly, why would anyone use WiMax when LTE is available in all the same (and more, thanks to LightSquared's satellite coverage) locations?
WiMax got Sprint out the door with 4G first, but that also means that it's old technology and everyone else has moved on to the latest and greatest. Sprint needs to catch up, and I have high hopes about this LightSquared service, both as a Sprint customer and a rural internet user.
aimbdd said:
There is no "4g" fee. It's a fee for ALL smart phones. 3g and 4g.
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^This. It's still a load of BS, but he/she is right. This isn't a "4G" fee, just a "you bought a smartphone, so you use more of our data" fee.
my .02 is that the only reason sprint wants the lte is to later on strike a roaming deal with verizon so we could use their lte which will be more available and nearly everywhere
pimp100500 said:
my .02 is that the only reason sprint wants the lte is to later on strike a roaming deal with verizon so we could use their lte which will be more available and nearly everywhere
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This 100%. It would be nice to see 4G, in any form on Sprint, in my area soon. VZW and the GSM provider(s) already have it here, why not Sprint.
i think... guessing...
that they are about to turn on the Vision plan they been upgrading towers too....
using all the spectrum they own better....
and powering on the small repeaters ... to enhance their 4G service....
Waffles And Syrup said:
^This. It's still a load of BS, but he/she is right. This isn't a "4G" fee, just a "you bought a smartphone, so you use more of our data" fee.
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Really? When I signed up for my plan I could have sworn I had to pay for premium data only because of 4G. Must have been mistaken...
soldierforchrist2 said:
Really? When I signed up for my plan I could have sworn I had to pay for premium data only because of 4G. Must have been mistaken...
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Yes, you are mistaken.
I'm more than a little bit concerned about LightSquared's potential interference with GPS. I hope that they can resolve that properly, especially if Sprint were to partner with them.
mattykinsx said:
Yes, you are mistaken.
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Oh well
Waffles And Syrup said:
^This. It's still a load of BS, but he/she is right. This isn't a "4G" fee, just a "you bought a smartphone, so you use more of our data" fee.
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To be fair though a little bit, the fee at first was only on the Evo, and even the Epic when it was released. Now it's just on every smartphone, but $10 isn't gonna break the bank for me personally.
Guys you do know that a LTE roaming deal could bankrupt Sprint right?
cmsjr123 said:
Guys you do know that a LTE roaming deal could bankrupt Sprint right?
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Sprint will reveal in October the news that they will be sharing the LTE signal and towers with Verizon. According to something I read and a employee dude in the Sprint store told me. Anyone has any info on this?
engelsione said:
Sprint will reveal in October the news that they will be sharing the LTE signal and towers with Verizon. According to something I read and a employee dude in the Sprint store told me. Anyone has any info on this?
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Verizon owns their network.
They might have a deal (much like the cdma deal) where they will be able to roam across networks...but its highly unlikely that Verizon would truly "share" their network with Sprint in the way you're thinking. (As in how Clear has with wimax)
Announcement link here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1241021
Im wondering if wimax radios will become useful for nothing.
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I See this happening for only one reason.
It would be way cheaper.
The companies could use a data swapping model.
The two companies would swap equal amounts of data for no charge. and charge who ever uses more.
This method would allow the companies to expand their network and advertise they have more coverage.
\It will not be free but it will need to have some sort of method for finding out who uses what data who is going to be charged. This would allow cheaper costs and to have a huge footprint rather fast. It will also give time for the companies to save $$$ and build out their networks and switch solely to their LTE towers.
Again these companies will never do this. BUT. LTE hopping while using some sort of data swapping...Ehh
May or may not happen.
ok...but how about all the wimax phones sprint has and none lte....
Indirect said:
Im wondering if wimax radios will become useful for nothing.
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kostov22 said:
ok...but how about all the wimax phones sprint has and none lte....
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Folks, keep in mind that networks take a long time to be built.
But yes, Wimax is looking to become the next 'BetaMax'.
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Im wondering if wimax radios will become useful for nothing.
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Its already useless where I live. I'm not to worried about LTE and switching phones since as mentioned it takes a while. Still waiting to get my hands on that new Galaxy model.
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Folks, keep in mind that networks take a long time to be built.
But yes, Wimax is looking to become the next 'BetaMax'.
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Lol I remember watching our betamax when I was young.
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Betamax has better audio quality than VHS.
indagroove said:
Betamax has better audio quality than VHS.
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From what I understand the video quality was better too.
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Not sure what that has to do with this topic?
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From what I understand the video quality was better too.
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Not sure what that has to do with this topic?
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Just like Wimax better then LTE but being dropped like beta is probably the reference he's makin
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I was told..... radioactive waste had high nutritional value.
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I was told..... radioactive waste had high nutritional value.
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Awesome
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Indirect said:
Im wondering if wimax radios will become useful for nothing.
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Evo, Evo Shift, Epic 4g, Evo 3d, Random Samsung phone, and the Epic Touch coming are all WiMax, so I doubt it'll become useless.
Its not like they're just gonna immediately shut down the Wimax network anyway.
If they do, by the time they do, no one will have a Wimax capable phone.
"Sprint on Thursday announced that it has inked a deal with LightSquared will see 4G LTE services built out on its massive nationwide network. LightSquared will pay Sprint $9 billion over 15 years for the right to build out its LTE network using Sprint infrastructure, and Sprint will also get a total of $4.5 billion in credits toward LTE and satellite service. Equally important to the nation’s No. 3 carrier, the deal will allow it to save about $13 billion in network build-out costs and cover 260 million Americans with its 4G LTE service by 2015."
http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/28/sprint-announces-deal-to-adopt-4g-lte/
mxl180 said:
"Sprint on Thursday announced that it has inked a deal with LightSquared will see 4G LTE services built out on its massive nationwide network. LightSquared will pay Sprint $9 billion over 15 years for the right to build out its LTE network using Sprint infrastructure, and Sprint will also get a total of $4.5 billion in credits toward LTE and satellite service. Equally important to the nation’s No. 3 carrier, the deal will allow it to save about $13 billion in network build-out costs and cover 260 million Americans with its 4G LTE service by 2015."
http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/28/sprint-announces-deal-to-adopt-4g-lte/
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Yeah, that's old news.
Were talking about this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1241021
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Yeah, that's old news.
Were talking about this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1241021
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Sprint will be using LTE but named differently to not "confuse" the consumer Jan 1st 2012
I call BULLSHxT!
Wimax isn't going away... It was designed as a back haul system... Wimax can carry alot more data than LTE because of the spectrum it uses but can't penetrate building worth a crap. Wimax makes an excellent tower to tower communications system that LTE could only dream of so the goal should be use both systems for there designed purpose.
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i talked to sprint the other day and they are already doing it, however they are actually in the proccess of building there own 4g network with the lte technology to be completed by 2018.