http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2388741,00.asp
Probably the LTE switch.
via EVO.
Likely that they will be running both technologies.
Sprint can't afford for clearwire to faulter yet. Sprint will slowly move out of it meaning no more expansion of wimax, If they want the Iphone with 4g they will need to go lte anyways. They will limp clearwire along until they can afford to let it go belly up.
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Sprint can't afford for clearwire to faulter yet. Sprint will slowly move out of it meaning no more expansion of wimax, If they want the Iphone with 4g they will need to go lte anyways. They will limp clearwire along until they can afford to let it go belly up.
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They own the company via majority ownership soo Clearwire is theirs to do as they see fit... It would be pointless for them to keep pouring money into it. But Supposdly the plan to run many technologies using the same panels is supposed to help along with expansions...
I could see them announcing phones with either both technologies, or just one of the technologies (though I highly doubt the latter of the two).
Sprint has too much to lose if they decide to drop wimax. That completely defeats the purpose of launching new phones with 4G. Not only that, but a lot of people that have switched to Sprint for there smartphones most likely have a 4G capable device. To top that all off, Sprint has spent a lot of money on Clearwire, so it would be extremely stupid to just throw all of their progress away.
Now I haven't heard of a dual mode lte/wimax chip yet (I remember something but I don't think it was wimax), but if Sprint did use that in future phones, that would be completely awesome. It would allow them to keep their current investments while also introducing new products.
On the phone side, I could see them announcing an Iphone, the Kingdom, the Galaxy Within (although that may come sooner), another Samsung Phone, and maybe a few mid class smartphones. Most of these are just guesses, but I would be happy if I was right
My .02
It would be nice if Sprint would expand both their existing 4g as well as the possible new 4g, as they have many existing customers who pay the extra 4g fee as they've been told by sprint stores that "it's coming" to their area.
It would be another disappointment if this turned out to be a dangling carrot to increase sales.
There is no "4g" fee. It's a fee for ALL smart phones. 3g and 4g.
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This announcement is likely about their partnership with LightSquared, the wholesale LTE provider that was causing grief with GPS systems. It provides land-and-satellite based LTE that could potentially provide coverage across the entire United States.
I highly doubt that Sprint is going to keep investing in WiMax phones once their LTE network goes full-throttle. Clear is already having problems, and adoption of their services hasn't been as great as they hoped it would be. They'll be around as an ISP for a while, but Sprint isn't going to go out its way to develop hybrid LTE/WiMax chips when LTE is clearly the technology of the future. Honestly, why would anyone use WiMax when LTE is available in all the same (and more, thanks to LightSquared's satellite coverage) locations?
WiMax got Sprint out the door with 4G first, but that also means that it's old technology and everyone else has moved on to the latest and greatest. Sprint needs to catch up, and I have high hopes about this LightSquared service, both as a Sprint customer and a rural internet user.
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There is no "4g" fee. It's a fee for ALL smart phones. 3g and 4g.
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^This. It's still a load of BS, but he/she is right. This isn't a "4G" fee, just a "you bought a smartphone, so you use more of our data" fee.
my .02 is that the only reason sprint wants the lte is to later on strike a roaming deal with verizon so we could use their lte which will be more available and nearly everywhere
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my .02 is that the only reason sprint wants the lte is to later on strike a roaming deal with verizon so we could use their lte which will be more available and nearly everywhere
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This 100%. It would be nice to see 4G, in any form on Sprint, in my area soon. VZW and the GSM provider(s) already have it here, why not Sprint.
i think... guessing...
that they are about to turn on the Vision plan they been upgrading towers too....
using all the spectrum they own better....
and powering on the small repeaters ... to enhance their 4G service....
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^This. It's still a load of BS, but he/she is right. This isn't a "4G" fee, just a "you bought a smartphone, so you use more of our data" fee.
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Really? When I signed up for my plan I could have sworn I had to pay for premium data only because of 4G. Must have been mistaken...
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Really? When I signed up for my plan I could have sworn I had to pay for premium data only because of 4G. Must have been mistaken...
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Yes, you are mistaken.
I'm more than a little bit concerned about LightSquared's potential interference with GPS. I hope that they can resolve that properly, especially if Sprint were to partner with them.
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Yes, you are mistaken.
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Oh well
Waffles And Syrup said:
^This. It's still a load of BS, but he/she is right. This isn't a "4G" fee, just a "you bought a smartphone, so you use more of our data" fee.
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To be fair though a little bit, the fee at first was only on the Evo, and even the Epic when it was released. Now it's just on every smartphone, but $10 isn't gonna break the bank for me personally.
Guys you do know that a LTE roaming deal could bankrupt Sprint right?
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Guys you do know that a LTE roaming deal could bankrupt Sprint right?
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On paper, Sprint and T-Mobile seem like complete opposites: Sprint has 4G, T-Mobile has "4G speeds" with HSPA+; Sprint is CDMA, T-Mobile is GSM; Sprint is yellow, T-Mobile is magenta. Ok, maybe that last one is a bit of a stretch, but you get the point. Despite the glaring differences, a rumor has surfaced today stating that the two carriers may soon be in cahoots to finish building out Sprint's 4G network. Three people "familiar with the situation" have spoken to the Wall Street Journal, saying that Sprint's board of directors is considering allowing T-Mobile to invest in Clearwire, the company that is aiding Sprint with their WiMAX network (Sprint also owns 54 percent of Clearwire). Clearwire currently needs billions of dollars to finished expanding its 4G network, the WSJ says, and it needs to figure out if it will continue to soldier on alone or get some financial aid from T-Mobile. This isn't the first time we've heard the possibility of Sprint and T-Mobile teaming up and, if Clearwire and Sprint need as much cash as the WSJ says they do, it may not be the last time.
Although Sprint and T-Mobile could use each other to help bring the fight to AT&T and Verizon, I would be kind of surprised to the number three and four carriers come together. T-Mobile seems pretty invested in their HSPA+ network upgrades and, if they were to invest in WiMAX, their hot new HSPA+ phones would become kind of obsolete. It would, however, allow them to immediately have a 4G network available to some of its customers, so maybe the idea isn't so far-fetched. What do you think, readers? Will we soon be hearing about SprinT-Mobile?
source: http://www.phonedog.com/2010/09/03/rumor-sprint-and-t-mobile-may-team-up-to-complete-4g-network/
I'll believe it when I see it. Number three and number four? I agree with T being four in terms of network Sprint is #2 behind Verizon last I heard.
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On paper, Sprint and T-Mobile seem like complete opposites: Sprint has 4G, T-Mobile has "4G speeds" with HSPA+; Sprint is CDMA, T-Mobile is GSM; Sprint is yellow, T-Mobile is magenta. Ok, maybe that last one is a bit of a stretch, but you get the point. Despite the glaring differences, a rumor has surfaced today stating that the two carriers may soon be in cahoots to finish building out Sprint's 4G network. Three people "familiar with the situation" have spoken to the Wall Street Journal, saying that Sprint's board of directors is considering allowing T-Mobile to invest in Clearwire, the company that is aiding Sprint with their WiMAX network (Sprint also owns 54 percent of Clearwire). Clearwire currently needs billions of dollars to finished expanding its 4G network, the WSJ says, and it needs to figure out if it will continue to soldier on alone or get some financial aid from T-Mobile. This isn't the first time we've heard the possibility of Sprint and T-Mobile teaming up and, if Clearwire and Sprint need as much cash as the WSJ says they do, it may not be the last time.
Although Sprint and T-Mobile could use each other to help bring the fight to AT&T and Verizon, I would be kind of surprised to the number three and four carriers come together. T-Mobile seems pretty invested in their HSPA+ network upgrades and, if they were to invest in WiMAX, their hot new HSPA+ phones would become kind of obsolete. It would, however, allow them to immediately have a 4G network available to some of its customers, so maybe the idea isn't so far-fetched. What do you think, readers? Will we soon be hearing about SprinT-Mobile?
source: http://www.phonedog.com/2010/09/03/rumor-sprint-and-t-mobile-may-team-up-to-complete-4g-network/
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Last I read, Sprint is moving forward with LTE purchases. That opens talks again with T.
T will not move to wimax.
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Last I read, Sprint is moving forward with LTE purchases. That opens talks again with T.
T will not move to wimax.
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I heard that too... but HSPA+ is not LTE and neither are technically 4G. i dont really consider wimax to to be 4G either thou.
"An IMT-Advanced cellular system must have target peak data rates of up to approximately 100 Mbit/s for high mobility such as mobile access and up to approximately 1 Gbit/s for low mobility such as nomadic/local wireless access, according to the ITU requirements. Scalable bandwidths up to at least 40 MHz should be provided."
I dont want a merger lol less competition equals more money from my pockets. There is plenty of competition right now though among the monthly plan companies keeping things low I guess.
Also it sounds like T-Mobile would be paying Sprint to help build 4G and T-Mobile would get in reward to use 4G. So... now we gotta share with T-Mobile. Also I bet if we start sharing we get capped. I mean currently 4G is uncapped mostly because there arnt a huge network of people using all of its resources.
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I dont want a merger lol less competition equals more money from my pockets. There is plenty of competition right now though among the monthly plan companies keeping things low I guess.
Also it sounds like T-Mobile would be paying Sprint to help build 4G and T-Mobile would get in reward to use 4G. So... now we gotta share with T-Mobile. Also I bet if we start sharing we get capped. I mean currently 4G is uncapped mostly because there arnt a huge network of people using all of its resources.
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Not quite. The reason there aren't any worries with WiMax is because of the huge amounts of bandwidth Clearwire and Sprint have access to. The bandwidth combined with the shorter range of towers means that the network can handle a lot of people using the network at any given time. T-mobile is small enough, it shouldn't make a big enough difference. The bandwidth part won't change if they ever convert to LTE, so Clear and Sprint have the advantage right now due to having the only functioning 4G capable network and the ability to upgrade that network relatively effortlessly, and still have enough bandwidth to beat Verizon/everyone else.
I actually don't think this is a bad idea. If it would help expedite the expansion of the 4G network then onward and upward I say. For the amount of bandwidth that T-Mo would gain access to it would be a benefit to them. And maybe Sprint could get some pointers from T-Mo on customer service. Sprint has come a long way in that respect since we signed up, but I hear a lot of T customers swear by the service they get. All in all it sounds like it could have a win-win for both companies and the customers. Then again corporate America has an amazing penchant for screwing up what could otherwise be a good thing. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Rumor has been going around for quite some time - today was hardly the first mention of this in the media...
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I actually don't think this is a bad idea. If it would help expedite the expansion of the 4G network then onward and upward I say. For the amount of bandwidth that T-Mo would gain access to it would be a benefit to them. And maybe Sprint could get some pointers from T-Mo on customer service. Sprint has come a long way in that respect since we signed up, but I hear a lot of T customers swear by the service they get. All in all it sounds like it could have a win-win for both companies and the customers. Then again corporate America has an amazing penchant for screwing up what could otherwise be a good thing. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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You would be right.my brother had/has nothing but great things to say about tmobile cs.
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I wish they would team up so I could get my hands on a G2.
From PCMag.com:
Cash-Strapped Clearwire Slashes Staff, Halts Roll Outs:
Clearwire has run into some money troubles. In a third-quarter earnings report, the company said it has "not yet secured future funding," and must implement a number of cost-saving measures, including layoffs and a suspension of additional market roll outs.
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I have to worry about the future of Sprint's 4G network.
It says in the article that sprints 4g plans have not changed. Kinda sucks but oh well.
Yes, all along they've been careful to clarify that Clearwire's retail 4G service is distinct from the Sprint 4G service.
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Yes, all along they've been careful to clarify that Clearwire's retail 4G service is distinct from the Sprint 4G service.
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But don't they share the same Wimax infrastructure? For example, if the Clearwire buildout in Denver and Miami is deferred, as the story says, then wouldn't that mean that Sprint 4G service in those cities is also deferred?
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But don't they share the same Wimax infrastructure? For example, if the Clearwire buildout in Denver and Miami is deferred, as the story says, then wouldn't that mean that Sprint 4G service in those cities is also deferred?
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Not necessarily, I am not familiar with the contract agreements between them, but from what I have gathered - Clear is more the boots on the ground and Sprint is the cash cow. In other words, Sprint provides the funding for the infrastructure, Clear just has the man power and know how to get the job setup.
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Not necessarily, I am not familiar with the contract agreements between them, but from what I have gathered - Clear is more the boots on the ground and Sprint is the cash cow. In other words, Sprint provides the funding for the infrastructure, Clear just has the man power and know how to get the job setup.
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I'm not talking about the contract agreements, but the tangible network infrastructure. It is the real boots on the ground that are being cut.
It seems pretty simple: If the actual Wimax network doesn't get physically built out or expanded, then it isn't there for Sprint to use. (It also wouldn't be there for Clear service, Time Warner mobile data service, etc., which I don't care about.)
Well I do know that we got 4G in South FL now. not all areas, but most. my house doesn't have it, but south and north of me does.
You won't see anything happening to sprint. The 4G is only going to get bigger.
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people there is noooo need to worry. what clearwire is doing is just cutting staff now to prepare for the future. clearwires profit and subscriber rates skyrocketed over the past year, and to better be sure they can keep more money and expand more latter,,,, they are pretty much just cutting the staff now so they wont have to do it later. the future of 4g is not in jeopardy or anything like that. atleast for now
I concur with boomer.
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people there is noooo need to worry. what clearwire is doing is just cutting staff now to prepare for the future. clearwires profit and subscriber rates skyrocketed over the past year, and to better be sure they can keep more money and expand more latter,,,, they are pretty much just cutting the staff now so they wont have to do it later. the future of 4g is not in jeopardy or anything like that. atleast for now
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WTF? Clearwire is losing money, $139 million last quarter and has never turned a profit (sprint itself also lost one billion dollars this quarter alone).
The analysts are saying the NY rollout was done with the very last of clearwire's reserves.
this means cuts in 4g rollout for clearwire which is the rollout of sprint 4G.
It isn't a question of them turning out the lights, yet, but it is that this clearly means that the new rollouts, and existing cities which all need beefing up and maintenance as more users come on line, will suffer.
Expansion and much needed beefing up of already deployed markets will suffer -- there is no other way to read it. Clearwire is also not going to be able to fund its planned changeover to LTE without a major injection of money from god knows where, or selling some if ts spectrum
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Absolutely
I talked to a fry's employee the other day (facts to keep in mind: in Orange County, CA, Fry's doesn't carry sprint, and they work on commission.) He said that 4G was going to go away, that no more towers were going up, and that sprint didn't use clearwire's towers. For reference, I get 5mbits down on 4G in that particular location.
He went on to say that there's a reason sprint hasn't released any more 4G phones, that T-Mobile was going to buy sprint (I'm assuming he meant Deutche Telekom), and that they were going to release a bunch of android dual CDMA/GSM combo phones. But then he went on to say that he's got the "best of everything" including his new G2 where he's getting d/l speeds of "14 megapixels".
Prior, I had just asked him if they sold extra batteries for the Epic. But either way, i'm curious which bits could be true. This was last week, before I saw a lot of these publicized sprint/clearwire woes.
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I talked to a fry's employee the other day...
...He said that 4G was going to go away,
...that no more towers were going up
...and that sprint didn't use clearwire's towers..
...that there's a reason sprint hasn't released any more 4G phones, that T-Mobile was going to buy sprint (I'm assuming he meant Deutche Telekom),
.....and that they were going to release a bunch of android dual CDMA/GSM combo phones.
.....But then he went on to say that he's got the "best of everything" including his new G2 where he's getting d/l speeds of "14 megapixels".
...... i'm curious which bits could be true.
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The plot thickens.
http://androidspin.com/2010/11/13/goodbye-clear-can-clear-survive-with-or-without-sprint/
"reported that the two carriers have entered into an arbitration process regarding the “Premium Fee” of $10 per month for Evo 4G and Epic 4G phones. Clearwire said that there are nearly 810,000 customers with either the Evo or Epic phones; out of these customers Clearwire estimates as many as 364,500 of them are being used in cities without WiMAX deployment areas. This has led Sprint to reevaluate the agreement that they have with Clear"
Does this mean sprint is looking at not charing people the $10 fee if they dont live in a area with 4g/wimax? We dont have it in my area but have been thinking of going to sprint but we want 4 good android phoens and $40 a month kinda defeats the purpose of going to sprint to save cash
It means Sprint thinks Clear(wire) isn't delivering on its promise to deliver 4G and they're (Sprint) is concerned Clear is (may) take some of Sprint's customers.
The fee won't go away; Clear needs it to stay liquid and not go into bankruptcy. But if Clear takes Sprint customers, Sprint can't pay the wholesale fees for 4G spectrum.
Basically unless Sprint can get some cash into Clear (subscribers or investors or buyers), Clear goes bankrupt within 12 months and WIMAX disappears. Sprint might sell off thr WIMAX spectrum as no other carrier in the U.S. wants WIMAX - they're all LTE.
If Clear goes, things don't look great for Sprint.
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sprint needs to follow verizons path, and offer 4g in every football city.
Just read the article on engadget. 50 for 5gb and 80 for 10gb. With 10$ over charges. Not sure if its all lte phones or only for the service though. Still sucks imo. I'll take sprints 10$ 4g charge any day.
Edit: Reading comprehension failure. Think this is not mobile lte data plans.
I just hope Sprint can keep up with coverage.. verizons will be the same as their 3g coverage in around 2 years..
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We all know verizon will be a reliable lte provider. But can they keep up with sprints pricing.
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Sprint's isn't even true 4g though. I feel like because they went with wimax they did get ahead of the game, but now that companies are coming out with true 4g they will be way behind because LTE covers MUCH more area. LTE towers reach farther then even 3g towers which crushes wimax. I hope sprint has a plan for this because I don't want to have to change phone plans again >.<
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Sprint's isn't even true 4g though. I feel like because they went with wimax they did get ahead of the game, but now that companies are coming out with true 4g they will be way behind because LTE covers MUCH more area. LTE towers reach farther then even 3g towers which crushes wimax. I hope sprint has a plan for this because I don't want to have to change phone plans again >.<
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Uh, no one has true 4G. In order to get that, you have to wait for Wimax 2 and LTE-Advanced.
And "The WiMAX Forum expects to see WiMAX Release 2 available commercially in the 2011-2012 timeframe."
The LTE-Advanced standard won't even be ratified until 2011.
I thought Dan Hesse came out and said that Sprint was looking into bolstering the "4G" network with an LTE network. is this no longer the case?
Also, those verizon prices are beyond ridiculous. i very much hope that sprint doesn't move to a tiered plan.
SilverStone641 said:
I thought Dan Hesse came out and said that Sprint was looking into bolstering the "4G" network with an LTE network. is this no longer the case?
Also, those verizon prices are beyond ridiculous. i very much hope that sprint doesn't move to a tiered plan.
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They most likely will. If not, there is a lot of money to be lost there. It's becoming an industry standard.
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I thought Dan Hesse came out and said that Sprint was looking into bolstering the "4G" network with an LTE network. is this no longer the case?
Also, those verizon prices are beyond ridiculous. i very much hope that sprint doesn't move to a tiered plan.
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He stated that he is fully committed to wimax. He did state earlier that he was thinking about testing out LTE alongside wimax.
Ha.... I thought that was 2 different people posting... D:
Ill take sprint any day of the week as they are the only contender with a truely unlimited data plan.
I pay for tethering, im rooted and could get it for free, but pushing no-fine-print unlimited data is is a huge huge win in my book, not to mention that sprint hasn't screwed me over once since I switched from t-mobile (t-mobile screwed me over every chance they got), they did kinda sneak the $5 spending limit onto my account, but after a quick chat with a rep, they now give me $4.99 credit toward my bill every month.
Wimax is still rolling out in my area (I can get the signal, but its weak and slow), so I primarily use 3G. My second job is fixing computers/building computers/rooting android phones, I'm not always at home for this, and when I'm at a clients house/coffee shop with crap wifi (cough...cough...starbucks) its so freakin' nice to be able to tether and download all the drivers/updates/.zips/roms I need without worrying about going over my data limit. Sprints 3G might not be as fast as a regular internet connection, but sometimes its all I have access to, and its usually better that using Quest DSL through the $10 walmart-special router.
....I pushed nearly 70GB last month in 3G data, and 37GB in the last two weeks....not a single peep/complaint/charge from sprint.
I dont care how fast a network is, being able to do what I do with my phone makes my job much much easier and less of a headache, in my book unlimited data>network speed. Im eagerly awaiting the 4G rollout in my area, as it rivals my oversaturated comcast connection.
It also feels good knowing that, if sprint ever does decide to change their plans on data usage, I will be grandfathered into unlimited data for my stay. I also see this as being one of the last non-tiered data plans avalable (at least in the US anyway), if sprint ever does change, their wont be any more.....
...well, that was a long rant...
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My second job is fixing computers/building computers/rooting android phones, I'm not always at home for this, and when I'm at a clients house/coffee shop with crap wifi (cough...cough...starbucks) its so freakin' nice to be able to tether and download all the drivers/updates/.zips/roms I need without worrying about going over my data limit.
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Hold on. you use other people's work(i assume you DIDN'T build your own root method) that is offered freely and CHARGE people for it?? dude...
SilverStone641 said:
Hold on. you use other people's work(i assume you DIDN'T build your own root method) that is offered freely and CHARGE people for it?? dude...
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not to go OT, but it sounds like he is selling his labor and time, not the rom itself.
Nefariouss said:
Just read the article on engadget. 50 for 5gb and 80 for 10gb. With 10$ over charges. Not sure if its all lte phones or only for the service though. Still sucks imo. I'll take sprints 10$ 4g charge any day.
Edit: Reading comprehension failure. Think this is not mobile lte data plans.
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Ima sprint cust but work for vzw those plans are for tge modems not phones no word yet on the premium data for phones
Little off topic I realize but with all the buzz... I'd like to see Sprint and T-Mobile merge and bang some heads in both the wired/wireless telco industries.
Hell..smack around the cable companies too. They got their day coming.
One day a majority of their subscribers will finally realize they can get same content or better on the web and start leaving in droves.
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Little off topic I realize but with all the buzz... I'd like to see Sprint and T-Mobile merge and bang some heads in both the wired/wireless telco industries.
Hell..smack around the cable companies too. They got their day coming.
One day a majority of their subscribers will finally realize they can get same content or better on the web and start leaving in droves.
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First of all, why would you want a sprint/t-mobile merger?? T-mobile has nothing that we don't. Secondly, what would sprint OR tmobile have to do with cable companies? wouldn't sites like hulu, vudu and boxee be better suited to "smack the cable companies" around? i believe most people are aware that they can get all their normal shows online. the cable box is just too convenient and familiar.
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Sprint's isn't even true 4g though. I feel like because they went with wimax they did get ahead of the game, but now that companies are coming out with true 4g they will be way behind because LTE covers MUCH more area. LTE towers reach farther then even 3g towers which crushes wimax. I hope sprint has a plan for this because I don't want to have to change phone plans again >.<
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LTE does not necessarily reach further its the frequency that reaches further. Verizon is using a lower frequency which does travel further so its the spectrum that Verizon has not the technology. Also neither wimax nor LTE are true 4g. When a car has the radio up loud you hear the base first because base travels further because it is a lower frequency.
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LTE does not necessarily reach further its the frequency that reaches further. Verizon is using a lower frequency which does travel further so its the spectrum that Verizon has not the technology. Also neither wimax nor LTE are true 4g. When a car has the radio up loud you hear the base first because base travels further because it is a lower frequency.
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Your facts are correct but the car audio analogy is not. Lower frequencies do not travel faster. They just penetrate obstacles better. This means they penetrate building walls better for indoor coverage and they penetrate air better, going farther before the signal has degraded beyond usability.
thetakara said:
Uh, no one has true 4G. .
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"True 4g" has been defined as "capable of reaching 1gbit/sec"
mattykinsx said:
"True 4g" has been defined as "capable of reaching 1gbit/sec"
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4G also does not just mean speed. A true 4G network is an all IP network. Meaning no more circuit switched voice call transmission. Everything is packet switched. Calls are VOIP. A true 4G network allows VOIP calls to seamlessly be handed off to a wifi connection and back ect. All these carriers boasting 4G has degraded the significance of what a true 4G network is. And no one is there to blow the whistle on this false advertising.
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Your facts are correct but the car audio analogy is not. Lower frequencies do not travel faster. They just penetrate obstacles better. This means they penetrate building walls better for indoor coverage and they penetrate air better, going farther before the signal has degraded beyond usability.
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Further not faster.
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jkinnison90 said:
I just hope Sprint can keep up with coverage.. verizons will be the same as their 3g coverage in around 2 years..
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Which conveniently is when my contract is up on my EVO.
I'll go to whoever has the best technology at the best price. I bought the iPhone 3G on release and then switched to the EVO after my contract. If someone has a better option in 2 years then I'll go with that.
Wimax is more than enough to get me through it.
http://paidcontent.org/article/419-report-sprint-t-mobile-usa-pondering-merger/
I kind of like the idea. T-Mobile gets a bigger coverage area and Sprint gets more customers (meaning: we get more 4g towers if they stick with WiMax).
Thoughts?
Hasnt Sprint already learned their lesson about merging two different companies with seperate technologies? I would hope so...
AbsolutZeroGI said:
http://paidcontent.org/article/419-report-sprint-t-mobile-usa-pondering-merger/
I kind of like the idea. T-Mobile gets a bigger coverage area and Sprint gets more customers (meaning: we get more 4g towers if they stick with WiMax).
Thoughts?
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I would actually be kind of pissed about this. I had T-Mobile for 8 years, until last year when I switched to Sprint and the Evo, they moved me to a non-contract plan without my consent(could not find any signed documents anywhere to prove I agreed to this) and would not let me back into a contract. If I wanted the phone discount I had to get a new phone number and contract. So, now I am with Sprint.
From a network standpoint, I would love it. T-Mobile has the best coverage here in AZ.
brownhornet said:
Hasnt Sprint already learned their lesson about merging two different companies with seperate technologies? I would hope so...
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Well yeah, the short term challenge is keeping both services running, but eventually they'll get it straightened out.
The G2, the Evo, the MyTouch 4g and the Shift all on the same network? I could get used to that. My G2 could get activated again!
AbsolutZeroGI said:
http://paidcontent.org/article/419-report-sprint-t-mobile-usa-pondering-merger/
I kind of like the idea. T-Mobile gets a bigger coverage area and Sprint gets more customers (meaning: we get more 4g towers if they stick with WiMax).
Thoughts?
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Why would we get more 4G towers by merging with T-Molbile if they don't use WiMax? T-Mobile uses HSPA+ for 4G.
Would this mean I would owe Sprint the $1800 that I owe T-mobile???? I sure hope not.
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If it happens, then I believe it would cement Sprint into the transition to LTE. Best way for them to eliminate the technological divide.
Shadodragon said:
If it happens, then I believe it would cement Sprint into the transition to LTE. Best way for them to eliminate the technological divide.
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Precisely, I think Sprint is doing this to switch to LTE and the transition will be easier with this acquisition. They would not do this to switch T-mobile to wimax and cdma. I think Sprint is looking seriously to make the change and is behind in the LTE race to Verizon and ATT. T-mobile and other partnerships they are pursuing will make the road to LTE much faster. Could be wrong though.
Great idea...Hopefully they keep CDMA & GSM so I can have my Evo on my main line & I can switch between a few GSM devices on my second line.
Ruki_Uki said:
Would this mean I would owe Sprint the $1800 that I owe T-mobile???? I sure hope not.
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LMAO!! 1800 tho..
dadoc04 said:
LMAO!! 1800 tho..
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T-mobile screwed my plan all up when I got the G1 and refused to fix it so I left them for Sprint and never paid They said they'll settle for $800 but I said no. Maybe Sprint will cut me some slack
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Ruki_Uki said:
T-mobile screwed my plan all up when I got the G1 and refused to fix it so I left them for Sprint and never paid They said they'll settle for $800 but I said no. Maybe Sprint will cut me some slack
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careful they don't come after you.
No! I dont see them merging.. they already have three networks... dont need to add more.
Originally Posted by Ruki_Uki
T-mobile screwed my plan all up when I got the G1 and refused to fix it so I left them for Sprint and never paid They said they'll settle for $800 but I said no. Maybe Sprint will cut me some slack
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Hey I just talked to your credit. It said LMFAO.
i do not see this happening even though ive seen this rumor on several sites. i mean would sprint go gsm then? or would they offer both cdma & gsm phones?
i mean sprint does not allow any phone they do not sell onto their network. if this happens tons of iphone users will be pissed off.
Isn't the old nextel Network the same as Tmobils? Sprint could just phase out cdma and combine the tmobil and Nextel networks, then convert all wimax to LTE. Although they might have an issue with the people who bought wimax phones, they could just give them $200 toward a new lte 4g phone with a 2 year contract and call it a day.
aimbdd said:
No! I dont see them merging.. they already have three networks... dont need to add more.
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1. iDEN network is being phased out in 2013, freeing up spectrum for Sprint's 3G/4G.
2. Switching to LTE is supposed to be 'easy' since it shares 70-80% of its DNA with Wimax.
3. Sprint's Network Vision will consolidate its different network equipment/stations, making them take up less space and less cost to run.
4. T-Mobile is in dire need of spectrum, which Sprint/Clearwire has a lot of.
5. T-Mobile has not yet adopted a new 4G network (LTE) beyond its enhanced HSPA network marketed as '4G'.
HSPA+ > all 4G (WiMax or LTE)
I think this is a great idea.... the problem of separate networks was solved ages ago.. dual mode GSM/CDMA phone.... If sprint did this they would increase the footprint and just use dual mode phones and there we go done deal.
Before Sprint went CDMA, they were called Sprint Spectrum, using GSM. When Sprint made the switch to CDMA they spun off their GSM network into a company called Voice Stream, which later became T-Mobile. If Sprint were to merge with T-Mobile, it would just be Sprint bring home it's off spring.
crabjoe said:
Before Sprint went CDMA, they were called Sprint Spectrum, using GSM. When Sprint made the switch to CDMA they spun off their GSM network into a company called Voice Stream, which later became T-Mobile. If Sprint were to merge with T-Mobile, it would just be Sprint bring home it's off spring.
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I remember voicestream and I do hope that they do merge.
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Sprint will reveal in October the news that they will be sharing the LTE signal and towers with Verizon. According to something I read and a employee dude in the Sprint store told me. Anyone has any info on this?
engelsione said:
Sprint will reveal in October the news that they will be sharing the LTE signal and towers with Verizon. According to something I read and a employee dude in the Sprint store told me. Anyone has any info on this?
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Verizon owns their network.
They might have a deal (much like the cdma deal) where they will be able to roam across networks...but its highly unlikely that Verizon would truly "share" their network with Sprint in the way you're thinking. (As in how Clear has with wimax)
Announcement link here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1241021
Im wondering if wimax radios will become useful for nothing.
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I See this happening for only one reason.
It would be way cheaper.
The companies could use a data swapping model.
The two companies would swap equal amounts of data for no charge. and charge who ever uses more.
This method would allow the companies to expand their network and advertise they have more coverage.
\It will not be free but it will need to have some sort of method for finding out who uses what data who is going to be charged. This would allow cheaper costs and to have a huge footprint rather fast. It will also give time for the companies to save $$$ and build out their networks and switch solely to their LTE towers.
Again these companies will never do this. BUT. LTE hopping while using some sort of data swapping...Ehh
May or may not happen.
ok...but how about all the wimax phones sprint has and none lte....
Indirect said:
Im wondering if wimax radios will become useful for nothing.
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kostov22 said:
ok...but how about all the wimax phones sprint has and none lte....
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Folks, keep in mind that networks take a long time to be built.
But yes, Wimax is looking to become the next 'BetaMax'.
Indirect said:
Im wondering if wimax radios will become useful for nothing.
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Its already useless where I live. I'm not to worried about LTE and switching phones since as mentioned it takes a while. Still waiting to get my hands on that new Galaxy model.
mattykinsx said:
Folks, keep in mind that networks take a long time to be built.
But yes, Wimax is looking to become the next 'BetaMax'.
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Lol I remember watching our betamax when I was young.
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Betamax has better audio quality than VHS.
indagroove said:
Betamax has better audio quality than VHS.
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From what I understand the video quality was better too.
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Not sure what that has to do with this topic?
mattykinsx said:
From what I understand the video quality was better too.
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Not sure what that has to do with this topic?
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Just like Wimax better then LTE but being dropped like beta is probably the reference he's makin
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I was told..... radioactive waste had high nutritional value.
jessejames111981 said:
I was told..... radioactive waste had high nutritional value.
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Awesome
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Indirect said:
Im wondering if wimax radios will become useful for nothing.
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Evo, Evo Shift, Epic 4g, Evo 3d, Random Samsung phone, and the Epic Touch coming are all WiMax, so I doubt it'll become useless.
Its not like they're just gonna immediately shut down the Wimax network anyway.
If they do, by the time they do, no one will have a Wimax capable phone.
"Sprint on Thursday announced that it has inked a deal with LightSquared will see 4G LTE services built out on its massive nationwide network. LightSquared will pay Sprint $9 billion over 15 years for the right to build out its LTE network using Sprint infrastructure, and Sprint will also get a total of $4.5 billion in credits toward LTE and satellite service. Equally important to the nation’s No. 3 carrier, the deal will allow it to save about $13 billion in network build-out costs and cover 260 million Americans with its 4G LTE service by 2015."
http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/28/sprint-announces-deal-to-adopt-4g-lte/
mxl180 said:
"Sprint on Thursday announced that it has inked a deal with LightSquared will see 4G LTE services built out on its massive nationwide network. LightSquared will pay Sprint $9 billion over 15 years for the right to build out its LTE network using Sprint infrastructure, and Sprint will also get a total of $4.5 billion in credits toward LTE and satellite service. Equally important to the nation’s No. 3 carrier, the deal will allow it to save about $13 billion in network build-out costs and cover 260 million Americans with its 4G LTE service by 2015."
http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/28/sprint-announces-deal-to-adopt-4g-lte/
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Yeah, that's old news.
Were talking about this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1241021
mattykinsx said:
Yeah, that's old news.
Were talking about this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1241021
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Sprint will be using LTE but named differently to not "confuse" the consumer Jan 1st 2012
I call BULLSHxT!
Wimax isn't going away... It was designed as a back haul system... Wimax can carry alot more data than LTE because of the spectrum it uses but can't penetrate building worth a crap. Wimax makes an excellent tower to tower communications system that LTE could only dream of so the goal should be use both systems for there designed purpose.
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i talked to sprint the other day and they are already doing it, however they are actually in the proccess of building there own 4g network with the lte technology to be completed by 2018.