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Hello! Recently, as many of us have noticed, the moderator of the Vibrant forums here on XDA has decided to consolidate all of the sticky threads in to a single thread. I, and several other members of XDA, have some major concerns with this including:
Former stickies are mixed in with development threads
Stickies are more difficult to find
Stickies receive less attention, and therefore there is less incentive to update them
Since having easy to access information reduces the number of off-topic and question posts over in development I put forth a suggestion to our moderator, that the users of XDA decide if the stickies are returned or an alternative solution is devised! If there is a majority in favor of changing the presence of the stickies mmelo has stated that he will abide by the will of the users.
If anyone has any alternative solutions besides the ones I have posted in the poll please come forward with them!
Being someone who has two of these stickies, the ones geared for those who need the most help... And the amount of time I spent... And for all those who post questions in them that I answer...
I'm a little offended and upset. I mean first there were stickies that had absolutely no business being stickied and now lumping them all together (now I have no clue if someone posts a question).. Whatever, I've taken a break from it for a few days and it's been nice. Perhaps this is my sign to just quit trying to help so much.
Perhaps we just need a new bibrant moderator too though.
Edit: I guess my suggestion is:
How it was before (before meaning not including threads that should not be stickies)
a new mod, someone who has a pulse on the vibrant and speaks English (isn't that a guideline for being a mod)... I mean absolutely no disrespect, just being honest.
My suggestion was to remove threads like the Nero fixes and stuff and the Samsung numbers.
Not your threads but I guess he didn't exactly understand,but this being a mobile website and all the stickies were filling up most of the screen.
There's plenty positives about this and negatives, but the statement its harder to find is BS.
U guys tell newbies to search anyways and searching will only lead to the same thread.
Find a post where I said search, AND didn't provide an answer.
It is harder. If someone posts a question, I have no clue now unless my thread happens to be on page 1.
The only positive I see is that you don't have to scroll down as much...
You know if you guys don't like what he is doing to the vibrant forum you can always go above him and let the administrators know.
A mod is just an employee and they aren't perfect, some even abuse their powers at times.
Ultimately if the forum members aren't happy then let the people above the mods know.
I personally think there were too many stickies to begin with, but sticking them all in one, including the bible and noob guide was a bad idea. Just my opinion that is all.
As someone who searched first and asked later. I miss the previous setup.
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I liked it the way it was tbh. Was very helpful to have all the info in one area, now i have to search for everything than bookmark it.
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I liked it the way it was tbh. Was very helpful to have all the info in one area, now i have to search for everything than bookmark it.
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Search for everything? You guys are over exaggerating it.
Its all in 1 sticky.
At the TOP of the page.
S15,you want to answer questions on it thread? Bookmark your thread and check it once in a while. Your not going to get 500 questions at a time and lose answering questions.
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Being someone who has two of these stickies, the ones geared for those who need the most help... And the amount of time I spent... And for all those who post questions in them that I answer...
I'm a little offended and upset. I mean first there were stickies that had absolutely no business being stickied and now lumping them all together (now I have no clue if someone posts a question).. Whatever, I've taken a break from it for a few days and it's been nice. Perhaps this is my sign to just quit trying to help so much.
Perhaps we just need a new bibrant moderator too though.
Edit: I guess my suggestion is:
How it was before (before meaning not including threads that should not be stickies)
a new mod, someone who has a pulse on the vibrant and speaks English (isn't that a guideline for being a mod)... I mean absolutely no disrespect, just being honest.
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s15 did put a lot of work into his thread. I tried searching for something and IT IS harder to get an answer. I say we put it how it was. Especially for the new people here.
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s15 did put a lot of work into his thread. I tried searching for something and IT IS harder to get an answer. I say we put it how it was. Especially for the new people here.
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Why are you saying search???
Its the first thing up there. WHY ARE YOU SEARCHING?
clicking 1thing to get info on 5 other threads isn't that hard.
ok im new to all this android thing so bare with me
my first android phone is the SGS2 its stock 2.3.5 unlocked and i want it rooted i readed and watched videos about how to do it and i think im rdy to do it i just need help with the kernel files so i dont make a mistake by chosing the wrong ones
can some put plz the rooted kernel and the original kernel so i can remove the triangle after
preferable as atachmed both ones ty
here about phone pic
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have a read of this
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have a read of this
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im lucky you incrased your post count by 1 more usless post
if you dont want to help then dont post ffs
CF-Root, KI8 kernel, KI8 stock kernel.
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im lucky you incrased your post count by 1 more usless post
if you dont want to help then dont post ffs
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Lol, like post counts matter
If you don't want to educate yourself first and read up, then...
You know the rest
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CF-Root, KI8 kernel, KI8 stock kernel.
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tnx for help and not acting like an wiseazz like the other dude
But honestly, Darkside had a point but maybe not presented in the best way. I guess some people are tired of answering the same questions when there are clear posts/threads about it that are also easy to find.
I'm a beginner as well but I tend to look for a solution myself rather than asking. But we are all different I guess.
Such is society. The world is full of people who would prefer to have information hand fed to them. No wonder many people cannot infer from information.
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But honestly, Darkside had a point but maybe not presented in the best way. I guess some people are tired of answering the same questions when there are clear posts/threads about it that are also easy to find.
I'm a beginner as well but I tend to look for a solution myself rather than asking. But we are all different I guess.
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Your post explains EXACTLY where im coming from, thank you.
And the part about searching yourself is music to my ears.
yes, maybe i went about it the wrong way, i will admit that...BUT:
I know this isnt my forum, i have no say in anything on here at all...but its depressing having to read the same thing over and over and over - and all these threads do is push the good informative threads off the first couple of pages and makes it very hard to garner good honest information posted by people making a genuine effort to improve things for our phone.
Check the Q&A & General section, count how many ICS threads there are already...all talking about the same thing. Its like all of a sudden theres an influx of new members (probably young guys/girls) who are in a competition to feel part of something, and satisfy this need by posting threads on massive forums like this one without using the search function...that function is there for a reason, its mentioned in the rules and its just common sense to check if what you are about to post is already available...isnt it?
Maybe im completely wrong, maybe im looking at it the wrong way, but i now struggle to find anything of value on this forum because im wading through...well, you get my point....
/end rant
Shomi87 said:
tnx for help and not acting like an wiseazz like the other dude
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lol...feel superior now?
Darkside Agent said:
Your post explains EXACTLY where im coming from, thank you.
And the part about searching yourself is music to my ears.
yes, maybe i went about it the wrong way, i will admit that...BUT:
I know this isnt my forum, i have no say in anything on here at all...but its depressing having to read the same thing over and over and over - and all these threads do is push the good informative threads off the first couple of pages and makes it very hard to garner good honest information posted by people making a genuine effort to improve things for our phone.
Check the Q&A & General section, count how many ICS threads there are already...all talking about the same thing. Its like all of a sudden theres an influx of new members (probably young guys/girls) who are in a competition to feel part of something, and satisfy this need by posting threads on massive forums like this one without using the search function...that function is there for a reason, its mentioned in the rules and its just common sense to check if what you are about to post is already available...isnt it?
Maybe im completely wrong, maybe im looking at it the wrong way, but i now struggle to find anything of value on this forum because im wading through...well, you get my point....
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lol...feel superior now?
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I am not that clever, but I do know that Search & Read are the most valuable things to use this site. And if I am able to do it, then most can do as well.
I can understand if the Rooting and Flashing of ROMs was explained in a very technical way, but the posters have taken time to do step-by-step instructions. Okay sometimes for noobies it can still be confusing. I guarantee that if they read through that thread then they will have found someone already who asked that question for clarification (which will have been answered).
I am indebted to some very clever folk have developed programs or modified ROMs so that we can root and flash. And also to those who took the time to make the guides for us.
I only wish I knew how to go about learning about developing - it does seem to be a very steep learning curve.
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Your post explains EXACTLY where im coming from, thank you.
And the part about searching yourself is music to my ears.
yes, maybe i went about it the wrong way, i will admit that...BUT:
I know this isnt my forum, i have no say in anything on here at all...but its depressing having to read the same thing over and over and over - and all these threads do is push the good informative threads off the first couple of pages and makes it very hard to garner good honest information posted by people making a genuine effort to improve things for our phone.
Check the Q&A & General section, count how many ICS threads there are already...all talking about the same thing. Its like all of a sudden theres an influx of new members (probably young guys/girls) who are in a competition to feel part of something, and satisfy this need by posting threads on massive forums like this one without using the search function...that function is there for a reason, its mentioned in the rules and its just common sense to check if what you are about to post is already available...isnt it?
Maybe im completely wrong, maybe im looking at it the wrong way, but i now struggle to find anything of value on this forum because im wading through...well, you get my point....
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lol...feel superior now?
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if its depresing for you to read it why you read it then and why post ?
just skip the thread then
and yes i feel ty
Shomi87 said:
if its depresing for you to read it why you read it then and why post ?
just skip the thread then
and yes i feel ty
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How is he supposed to know what you have posted without reading it. You may have tried searching & reading but there was a problem with actually doing the rooting.
There are a lot of folks on here that English is not their first language, so may need help with following the instructions.
If you have learned to use the best thing on this site - the Search - then his reply was worth it.
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im lucky you incrased your post count by 1 more usless post
if you dont want to help then dont post ffs
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No you're the useless one who can't read. It's in the bloody stickies FFS.
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No you're the useless one who can't read. It's in the bloody stickies FFS.
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what ever i asked about the files to be sure i didnt ask for whole root procedure now gtfo
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what ever i asked about the files to be sure i didnt ask for whole root procedure now gtfo
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Oooh. You got me there.
If you can't find the kernel in the development section you obviously must be too thick. USE THE SEATCH BUTTON.
Er, no I won't 'gtfo'
You get out with your pointless posts.
And with your attitude, no one is going to help you out.
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saying to some1 use the search button is not helping
you think idk to use the search buton ? i used it i found the files i just wanted to be sure if those r the right ones
now srsly stop posting **** i dont need your "use search button" replays
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saying to some1 use the search button is not helping
you think idk to use the search buton ? i used it i found the files i just wanted to be sure if those r the right ones
now srsly stop posting **** i dont need your "use search button" replays
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Clearly you didn't use the search button, or you'd have found the answer quickly. Or if you bothered to check the stickies for the kernels, or read through the thread.
If the files have already been posted by the developer and confirmed working, why are you asking people if its 'safe'?
And yes, asking people to use the search button is useful, if you even bothered to read the XDA rules.
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blow me ?
10characters dooh
Shomi87 said:
saying to some1 use the search button is not helping
you think idk to use the search buton ? i used it i found the files i just wanted to be sure if those r the right ones
now srsly stop posting **** i dont need your "use search button" replays
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I have to agree with Olyloh6696 on this one. The advice given was quite acceptable. Everyday new threads are started for no reason when the info is already available. Some people just want to be spoon fed simple information. Maybe they are in a rush to solve their problem and decide why spend hours looking when I can just start a new thread and ask. Only problem is; hours of other peoples time is waisted looking at threads like this one.
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blow me ?
10characters dooh
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You have a very cocky attitude. No one will want to help you in the future.
'Blow me' possibly the worst insult I have ever heard.
And you've used it twice before you edited your other post.
Ha.
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It seems like half of every page in General and Q & A is nothing but problems and fixes. I've been on XDA for quite a few years but I've never had such a hard time finding the right content. I understand people are having problems but it seems it's the same stuff getting posted over and over. Can't there be just an issues section or something?
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It seems like half of every page in General and Q & A is nothing but problems and fixes. I've been on XDA for quite a few years but I've never had such a hard time finding the right content. I understand people are having problems but it seems it's the same stuff getting posted over and over. Can't there be just an issues section or something?
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+10.....:good:
Aaaaand it's already been buried by like 40 problems lol.
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Yes there is a way. Make a new thread "Nexus 7 Problems/Solutions Consolidation Thread" and link to the individual threads. Do it well and you might get a sticky
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Yes there is a way. Make a new thread "Nexus 7 Problems/Solutions Consolidation Thread" and link to the individual threads. Do it well and you might get a sticky
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Good idea, I'll try this after I get off work.
I previously had an htc vivid that I s-off'd and rom'd alot and before that I had a samsung infuse and I remember roming on the infuse to be pretty easy. So where do i start? I want to install cm10.1 nightly but I just got my phone today and I have no idea how to root or get cwm on it
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I previously had an htc vivid that I s-off'd and rom'd alot and before that I had a samsung infuse and I remember roming on the infuse to be pretty easy. So where do i start? I want to install cm10.1 nightly but I just got my phone today and I have no idea how to root or get cwm on it
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Start with these three threads, but don't limit yourself to them. You will find many useful links within those threads to help you as well. Good luck.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2301762
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2312444
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2295557
WTH, scott. you fast.
Good info as always
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WTH, scott. you fast.
Good info as always
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I bet 90% (or more) of all "Help me!" type posts can be resolved with those few threads. Maybe another 5% need to be directed to another thread or two, and only the last 5% or so actually require more information than what has already been posted. If people would follow the XDA rules, search, and read what is easily available, most of them wouldn't have problems in the first place...much less need to make posts about them time after time. This forum has evolved nicely and people have taken their time to put together guides, solve problems, and create helpful posts. It is a slap in the face of those people when others don't take the time to read the information they made available. I see it all of the time, people saying, "but this is Q&A, I should be allowed to ask questions yadayadayada...). For some reason, to them, Q&A means I don't need to search, read, or learn, I can just ask a question that has been asked 20 times already (usually still on the first page) and people must flock to me with easy answers on silver platters! Of course, that is assuming they even put the question in the Q&A forum to start with. For some reason, they think they are above the rules or they are so special the rules don't apply to them. Q&A (according to XDA) exists to help AFTER someone has already searched and read on their own...not as a substitute for doing so. And saying, "but I searched", when it is obvious that no searching or very little searching was done only makes them a liar as well.
At most, people should only need to be directed to this information (existing threads). If they choose to ignore this help or if they think they are too important to take the time needed to read and learn...too bad. Fortunately, most accept the help and take advantage of the information, others, well I guess they just need to sit around, all butt-hurt, with their bricks. :laugh:
And to those that get butt-hurt...No, I'm not a Mod and I'm not affiliated with XDA, I just follow the rules that I agreed to when I signed up...just like everyone else is supposed to. DO you?
...and this isn't necessarily directed at the OP, I just happened to say it in this thread.
This is not unique to XDA. People on all forums ask before trying to find the answer. It doesn't matter how much good info is posted, most users want to be spoon fed instead of trying to learn on their own.
Even with power of Google, we see people post " how do I ....." On forums first, when the same query on google will give instant answers.
I can't explain it, but we are all witness to it.
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This is not unique to XDA. People on all forums ask before trying to find the answer. It doesn't matter how much good info is posted, most users want to be spoon fed instead of trying to learn on their own.
Even with power of Google, we see people post " how do I ....." On forums first, when the same query on google will give instant answers.
I can't explain it, but we are all witness to it.
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Does not excuse it in the slightest. Anyways I'm happy for the OP choosing the S4 but this is getting quite repetitive and needs to stop :/
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+1 to all
A lot of members like Axman have invested many hours in writing great "noob" threads. Very well done and easy to understand. What I never get is why folks invest a lot of money in this phone, and others, and don't want to spend time educating themselves on how to root it and flash roms.
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Does not excuse it in the slightest. Anyways I'm happy for the OP choosing the S4 but this is getting quite repetitive and needs to stop :/
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Where have you been? Haven't seen you around in awhile.
Agreed though, getting old. Same issue, different name.
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Where have you been? Haven't seen you around in awhile.
Agreed though, getting old. Same issue, different name.
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Life, and AOKP has been keeping me quite content but yea long time no see, glad to see familiar faces
Decided I should drop by more to help with these QA threads hahaha
To the OP now, don't think we hate you or anything, it's just you put like NO EFFORT into researching. The QA forum is here to help issues beyond just getting started.
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I started those guides thinking that everyone would be talking about flashing roms, whats cool, whats not, and so on, made them so anyone new could even understand, I must have forgotten that people just want to get a phone and start rooting and such, without reading because his buddy said it was cool to root and flash roms, even told him, here go to this site and get roms, and flash them. Then the process starts, a continuous posts of I can't , and it won't questions.
What gets me, you know they are not searching, because the post right above theirs has their problem right in the thread title. Saw one of those yesterday somewhere.
Ka dumb a$s, duh!
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Btw .. OP, I am going to apologize for semi hi-jacking your thread. It was wrong. Sorry sir. Seriously.
I think by now the OP has read your Guide, plus others and is now running and enjoying a custom rom--
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I think by now the OP has read your Guide, plus others and is now running and enjoying a custom rom--
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This! Also I got very intimidated by all the people screaming at me. I did a bunch of research before I asked the question and was still confused hence the question I'm not an xda idiot but the s4 was already very big in modding when I joined whereas the infuse and vivid had just started to get cwm and root when I got them so I grew with the romers I apologize for looking so nooby since reading the first post I now have a auto Loki cwm and root access and am running the Google edition ROM thank you all for the suggestions and links
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Glad you got it--
Don't feel bad sometimes we need to vent--nothing personal
I came here in early May from the One S and close to 3.5 years of flashing HTC devices with the advantage of unlocked bootloaders thru fastboot. But, still felt like a noob here--still do--
Odin/Kies/Loki were all new. Esp loki. I have spent hundreds of hours reading probably a couple thousand posts. Still learning. It does take a lot of effort to figure this out for some of us--like me.
But, a good investment as one needs to not only know how but why--to not lose a pricey phone--
Welcome to the S4--Unbelievable Phone--:good:
To the people I see posting here "I bricked my phone" most of you are the ones with at&t latest ota update "MF3" please read and understand that the new mf3 update is completely on lockdown as of now! There is however a rooting method available but thats it! Completely locked bootloader with no I repeat NO CUSTOM RECOVERY!
with that being said.. if you attempt to root your phone on the mf3 update do not attempt to flash any recoveries as you will get into situations you dont want to be in!
ive seen so many post on here that says "I bricked my phone" and all of them are about the same exact thing
PLEASE READ FIRST BEFORE DOING ANYTHING!!
If you don't read, you deserve the brick you get yourself into. This device is too expensive to not read about. It is your own fault for not reading.
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If you don't read, you deserve the brick you get yourself into. This device is too expensive to not read about. It is your own fault for not reading.
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Exactly my point.i dont see how most people dont read and risk bricking there device. Your pretty much throwing away your money
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To the people I see posting here "I bricked my phone" most of you are the ones with at&t latest ota update "MF3" please read and understand that the new mf3 update is completely on lockdown as of now! There is however a rooting method available but thats it! Completely locked bootloader with no I repeat NO CUSTOM RECOVERY!
with that being said.. if you attempt to root your phone on the mf3 update do not attempt to flash any recoveries as you will get into situations you dont want to be in!
ive seen so many post on here that says "I bricked my phone" and all of them are about the same exact thing
PLEASE READ FIRST BEFORE DOING ANYTHING!!
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Unfortunately, this won't do any good. I understand why you posted it, I posted a similar warning in the root thread itself (the link is at the bottom of my signature), however, people will not read that either. I made my post to direct people to "after the fact" so they can see why they screwed up more than a warning before they screw up. I've made a few posts in threads like that, TheAxman has made a couple of threads instructing people about it, and a few others have done the same. It's even in the XDA rules that these people are supposed to be reading and agreeing to before they even can post.
One of the problems is that people use XDA to run to so they can ask questions about something they screwed up instead of using XDA as a place to come to to search, read, and learn. I can't tell you how many times I've seen, "It's Q & A, so I'm asking a question!". These individuals don't realize or care that the Q & A section isn't a replacement for them reading, searching, and learning, it is a section for people that HAVE read, searched, and learned, and have found something they need help with that hasn't been posted about and addressed 20 times already.
It really just comes down to laziness, ignorance, and people that think they are entitled. People that think their time is more valuable than the time of others and think everything should just be handed to them. If your time is so valuable that you can't take a little of it to read what others spent their time posting already, than you don't need to be doing anything to your phone...and probably shouldn't even have one.
So, yea, I understand why you made this post, and I think posts like this are definitely needed, but I just don't see the people that are causing the problems in the first place reading this or even caring to read it if someone points it out to them. Remember, their time is more valuable than yours.
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Unfortunately, this won't do any good. I understand why you posted it, I posted a similar warning in the root thread itself (the link is at the bottom of my signature), however, people will not read that either. I made my post to direct people to "after the fact" so they can see why they screwed up more than a warning before they screw up. I've made a few posts in threads like that, TheAxman has made a couple of threads instructing people about it, and a few others have done the same. It's even in the XDA rules that these people are supposed to be reading and agreeing to before they even can post.
One of the problems is that people use XDA to run to so they can ask questions about something they screwed up instead of using XDA as a place to come to to search, read, and learn. I can't tell you how many times I've seen, "It's Q & A, so I'm asking a question!". These individuals don't realize or care that the Q & A section isn't a replacement for them reading, searching, and learning, it is a section for people that HAVE read, searched, and learned, and have found something they need help with that hasn't been posted about and addressed 20 times already.
It really just comes down to laziness, ignorance, and people that think they are entitled. People that think their time is more valuable than the time of others and think everything should just be handed to them. If your time is so valuable that you can't take a little of it to read what others spent their time posting already, than you don't need to be doing anything to your phone...and probably shouldn't even have one.
So, yea, I understand why you made this post, and I think posts like this are definitely needed, but I just don't see the people that are causing the problems in the first place reading this or even caring to read it if someone points it out to them. Remember, their time is more valuable than yours.
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This is exactly why they deserve to have a stupidly expensive paperweight.
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I just look at the stuff posted on the q and a and its the same thing everyone post the same thing and not take time to ready or put in same post as others
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I'm going to have to bump this again because if people would READ the forum and all the information thats here on the forum they would know that there's no recovery for MF3 at the moment. Also not to upgrade to MF3 if your on MDL. also not to try to flash a ROM on MF3. You can root. Now you got multiple posts in different threads from the same person that if he/she woukd have read then wouldn't be in this situation.
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Good luck, this has been done numerous times, the only way for them to learn is have a bricked device, then they will HAVE to read......