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Excuse me, but I've been searching for a while in the web AND in the XDA forums and I didn't find anything about putting Google's Android on Artemis.
Is there anyone working on this?
What exactly are the needs to run it on Artemis? Is it even possible?
I read a lot about the QTopia project...Is there a problem on GSM network on Android too?
Also, Google's Android was already ported to Vogue...Is that good news for us, users of Artemis?
I know it's a lot of questions, but I'm urging to run Android on my Artemis...
thanks a lot to whoever answers this!
also interessting for me !!!!
its such a great os,that we could use with our phones.
all the people try to work on manilla 2d but nobody interessted in android?
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Too bad no one is up to help us out....
It would be particularly interesting to see it working...
why nobody answer???
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What is the advantage of having Android on your phone?
The advantage would be all the advantages of using the Android...
Like free apps, good stuff AND no more windows mobile...LOL
I have tried many different versions of andriod that i have found at the forum, but I have just succed to boot up to the red dot moving, but after some minutes it stops and I have to remove the battery and put it back to restart my Artemis
//Drakfisken
so you mean its should develop better to use it? sorry for my english
Dunno what need to be done to get it working
//Drakfisken
Dijinn said:
The advantage would be all the advantages of using the Android...
Like free apps, good stuff AND no more windows mobile...LOL
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I have free apps, good stuff and Linux on my P3300, I don't need android. Why not buy a G1 then? Better screen, keyboard and more power.
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don't do this please...
advantage of having linux is not having windoze
we'll have to wait a bit,but windows will hopefully be overcame
Depends on the price manufacturers pay for WinMo licenses, if the price is high enough they might change to Linux in the future. Same thing has happend with servers.
On desktop computers it's still not very popular because it's difficult to use for beginners, demands too much to know. But on mobile phones it could be a lot easier since they do very little compared to full sized computers.
On the other hand, I'd still prefer WinMo devices since it's a lot easier to install apps. I don't want to open a console on my mobile just to install an application.
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Depends on the price manufacturers pay for WinMo licenses, if the price is high enough they might change to Linux in the future. Same thing has happend with servers.
On desktop computers it's still not very popular because it's difficult to use for beginners, demands too much to know. But on mobile phones it could be a lot easier since they do very little compared to full sized computers.
On the other hand, I'd still prefer WinMo devices since it's a lot easier to install apps. I don't want to open a console on my mobile just to install an application.
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hehe yeah stick out the terminal and sudo apt
but there are also synaptic package managers...which are GREAT
i'd prefer that linux being as close to WM as it can (to have a real pc in pocket) unlike android which is closer to the iphone and has limited functionality (at least for now)
why simple if it can go complicated
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I have free apps, good stuff and Linux on my P3300, I don't need android. Why not buy a G1 then? Better screen, keyboard and more power.
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What linux are you using in your Artemis? Wherte can i download it? It´s full functional?
The Qtopia Version, don't remember the link but it's in the forum. Didn't use it for some time now since it's not fully working (phone, bluetooth,...).
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The Qtopia Version, don't remember the link but it's in the forum. Didn't use it for some time now since it's not fully working (phone, bluetooth,...).
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Yeah... Qtopia i already used. But since there is no functional phone operation, i quit using it.
Is there another version full functional with Artemis, or some kind of Deadline to realease a new version of Qtopia?
Hi all,
I 2 am wondering if it's possible to run android on my artemis. I would love to get rid of WM.
Any news on this front since last post in feb 2009?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393973&page=10
doesnt work properly yet.
takes 20 mins or so to boot and crashes
CLOSED.
too many negative assholes.
take the downer comments
somewhere else, thanks.
To be honest, I've never witnessed the "good old days" of Windows CE, but I think it'll be tough to get it completely working on the HD2.
Also, if we actually would succeed in porting this old version to this handset, I think we'd actually brick the solidness of the OS.. just by "pluggin in" new drivers etc.
I like the idea myself but personally, I see more potential in a Linux distro, for the HD2. For as far that's possible
Check this. It is called Menlo. How about a NT kernel on HD2?
www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/could-menlo-signal-a-change-in-microsofts-mobile-strategy/6077
Already is...
Windows Mobile 5 & 6 are already based on Windows CE5, with customization for phones. Windows Phone 7 is partially based on a Win CE 6 core, I believe, again with optimizations for phone use. So... your question is moot.
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Check this. It is called Menlo. How about a NT kernel on HD2?
www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/could-menlo-signal-a-change-in-microsofts-mobile-strategy/6077
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NT Kernel = x86
meaning not arm compatible.
some days ago i read microsoft finished new windows ce based on win7. maybe that would be an interesting port. the old windows ce is ****ty i find
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To be honest, I've never witnessed the "good old days" of Windows CE, but I think it'll be tough to get it completely working on the HD2.
Also, if we actually would succeed in porting this old version to this handset, I think we'd actually brick the solidness of the OS.. just by "pluggin in" new drivers etc.
I like the idea myself but personally, I see more potential in a Linux distro, for the HD2. For as far that's possible
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seeing linux distro would be quite a sight, i will admit.
and yes, you're right about the solidity of the OS after plugging in drivers to fix for the speakers, screen, wifi, BT, etc..
could prove to be quite a messy situation. D:
i suppose the "solidity" i experienced was simply because the devices this OS came on were simply built for CE..
can't much built CE for the HD2 now, can we..? -.-
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Check this. It is called Menlo. How about a NT kernel on HD2?
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that's a hell of an idea right there, ikovac!
besides the harsh comments after the blog, that post has potential.
but the only problem is the x86 compatibility..
if someone could figure out a bridge between x86 and ARM builds, they'd be revolutionary!
but imagine the stability there.. fail. -.-
lungjian said:
Windows Mobile 5 & 6 are already based on Windows CE5, with customization for phones. Windows Phone 7 is partially based on a Win CE 6 core, I believe, again with optimizations for phone use. So... your question is moot.
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hate to break ya, but without severe porting, win7 won't hit the hd2. for ridiculous reasoning.
sure, it'll make it around the bend somehow, but seemingly, microsoft never wants win7 to see the hd2.
this is why i hate apple. because they control their products so carefully. please, microsoft.. don't be like apple.. D:
you know...this thing ACTAULLY has the minimum specs to run Windows 7 if you look SOLELY at numbers.
1ghz processor
16gb drive space(17 if you include the ROM space)
512mb memory
Wait....we SHOULD be trying to get XP running on this puppy LOLOL!!!!
Ultimaex said:
NT Kernel = x86
meaning not arm compatible.
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That is quite wrong. NT kernel is on itself architecture independent and was actually written for MIPS first and ported to x86 later on. NT 3.5 ran on x86, MIPS, Alpha and PowerPC and IIRC there were some beta builds for the SPARC.
Current NT kernel works on x86, x86-64 (it is not the same as x86) and IA64.
Will you wanna use Windows 3.1 with Dos 6.22 now????
ijoshv2 said:
that's a hell of an idea right there, ikovac!
besides the harsh comments after the blog, that post has potential.
but the only problem is the x86 compatibility..
if someone could figure out a bridge between x86 and ARM builds, they'd be revolutionary!
but imagine the stability there.. fail. -.-
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I think they are already porting NT kernel to ARM. I guess BSOD will look the same, right?
Bumping with a new goal!
Mkay guys, i'm bumping the thread because there should be more ideas than this going on. >.<
so, i want everyone to post thread urls to other sites that are working, in the progress, close to being done, or already been done, that relate to running OS's other than winmo6.5 on the HD2.
so please, devs and geeks alike.
show us the urls!
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Mkay guys, i'm bumping the thread because there should be more ideas than this going on. >.<
so, i want everyone to post thread urls to other sites that are working, in the progress, close to being done, or already been done, that relate to running OS's other than winmo6.5 on the HD2.
so please, devs and geeks alike.
show us the urls!
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+1 on URLs!
About Windows 3.1 and DOS 6.22! There have been an Emulator for DOS for years and Windows 3.1 (not 3.11) did run under it on a PPC devices! I've recently seen a Windows 95 running on the HD2 (under some emulation but still..) who knows... maybe some day we will see a mac emutor an be able to see even panther working on the HD2!
OrionBG said:
About Windows 3.1 and DOS 6.22! There have been an Emulator for DOS for years and Windows 3.1 (not 3.11) did run under it on a PPC devices! I've recently seen a Windows 95 running on the HD2 (under some emulation but still..) who knows... maybe some day we will see a mac emutor an be able to see even panther working on the HD2!
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even if that was possible,,, there is no application development anymore on such platforms.
To use the 10% of the device for an old obsolete OS, then the rest 90% is what?
i find it completely useless. A linux port would be great.
OrionBG said:
About Windows 3.1 and DOS 6.22! There have been an Emulator for DOS for years and Windows 3.1 (not 3.11) did run under it on a PPC devices! I've recently seen a Windows 95 running on the HD2 (under some emulation but still..) who knows... maybe some day we will see a mac emutor an be able to see even panther working on the HD2!
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this is quite interesting, and while it is true that it is a weak OS on a powerful phone, it's worth looking at, honestly..
post a url? =]
g30rg10u said:
even if that was possible,,, there is no application development anymore on such platforms.
To use the 10% of the device for an old obsolete OS, then the rest 90% is what?
i find it completely useless. A linux port would be great.
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yes, a linux port would be amazing.
but i've figured out why android won't be running on the htc hd2 for a while. (note: it WILL run, just not right now.. :b)
see, they haven't actually found a bootloader that can be encoded with linux, that will run on the snapdragon processor. once an android phone with a snapdragon processor comes out, they'll start decoding it and finding out what makes it tick..
then, shorty after, they will port the linux coded bootloader for the snapdragon on the hd2, and bam. instant hd2 amazingness.
see, i just wanna see ANYTHING but winmo 6.5 on this thing. i like winmo, honestly i do, but i also like having options.. :b
and thus, the struggle for the bootloader continues. xD
ijoshv2 said:
this is quite interesting, and while it is true that it is a weak OS on a powerful phone, it's worth looking at, honestly..
post a url? =]
yes, a linux port would be amazing.
but i've figured out why android won't be running on the htc hd2 for a while. (note: it WILL run, just not right now.. :b)
see, they haven't actually found a bootloader that can be encoded with linux, that will run on the snapdragon processor. once an android phone with a snapdragon processor comes out, they'll start decoding it and finding out what makes it tick..
then, shorty after, they will port the linux coded bootloader for the snapdragon on the hd2, and bam. instant hd2 amazingness.
see, i just wanna see ANYTHING but winmo 6.5 on this thing. i like winmo, honestly i do, but i also like having options.. :b
and thus, the struggle for the bootloader continues. xD
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Snapdragon is not the whole thing(while EVO has been out since last week and sold on eBay?)
Work in process./
And I agree with you, that I love WIN6.5 or 6.1 but option is a good thing.
Found something! :d
check this out, guys.
i found a thread for running windows 95/95 on the HD2. =]
now, i'm thinking if they can start with the older systems, why not be able to progress up to winXP or, outlandishly, windows 7?
check it out!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=637889
ijoshv2 said:
see, they haven't actually found a bootloader that can be encoded with linux, that will run on the snapdragon processor. once an android phone with a snapdragon processor comes out, they'll start decoding it and finding out what makes it tick..
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Nexus One is using a snapdragon cpu and that phone has been out for almost half a year now.
i went to finally get the sdk for my imac,then i realized its only available for intel based macs.is there anything i can do
boydroid said:
i went to finally get the sdk for my imac,then i realized its only available for intel based macs.is there anything i can do
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Join up with the year 2000.
That MAC has been good to me so not gonna happen...how about a answer that might actually help
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is kimpossible
boydroid said:
That MAC has been good to me so not gonna happen...how about a answer that might actually help
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ok first of all, why are you talking about a media access control? it's not relevant to this discussion about macs. second, you need to get a new mac. the mac minis are great and are only about 600 bucks. you have an incompatible computer. incompatible computer is incompatible.
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That MAC has been good to me so not gonna happen...how about a answer that might actually help
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That is the ONLY answer that's gonna help you.
Unless you manage to get Google to write an SDK for PPC.
If you figger out how to install Linux on your system, it would work that way.
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If you figger out how to install Linux on your system, it would work that way.
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So, it wouldn't.
The Linux SDK is still x86 only.
Yet again Apple efs its customer base
You could possibly get away with some kind of Virtual Machine, but I have a feeling vbox won't run on your architecture either.
And $600 is WAY to much to pay for a Mini.
Hell buy a $200 netbook and install Ubuntu with a Mac theme - you can't tell a difference other than the awesome that is radiated from a Linux machine VS a mac - unless you are just a linux guy and know how it works...then you could tell a difference....ok so there are some differences...but buy a white HP netbook and slap one of those Apple stickers they give you with an IPod on it...then you cant tell a difference....well you still could but its getting arguable then.
This is why the only apple product I will ever own is my 160gig Ipod classic - and when it dies Ill just build a new EEE PC for my car.
only reason i use a mac is because i need software such as final cut pro and aperture which are not found on windows or linux.
There's no way to use the SDK on a PPC Mac without reengineering the whole thing from scratch. The PPC is a big-endian processor, and x86 is little-endian, so your byte-ordering and structure sizes are different. If you've ever delved into cross-platform compiling (OpenWRT is a good example), you know that's its a major PITA. I've adapted a few small pieces of C code to successfully compile on PPC, and its no joy.
You're going to be SOOL on the virtualization front as well. There was a version of VirtualPC years ago that performed software x86 emulation on the PPC platform, but performance was abysmal even running Win98 on my Dual G5. I doubt that a modern Windows OS would even run at all. None of the current virtualization products will run on the PPC platform, as they all tie in to hardware virtualization support at some level (processor extensions or otherwise).
I truly feel your pain in this situation. I have a Dual G5 Power Mac that's still humming along happy as can be, but I can't run any current software on it. My iBook G4 isn't quite as happy these days, but is still 100% functional. Next to my G5, I have a cheapo Dell that I finally broke down and bought to power-up when I need to run x86 stuff. I recently picked up a used MacBook Pro, and WOW I can't believe what I was missing out on. The performance is night and day better than my G5, and all current software runs on it beautifully. With VMware Fusion installed, it can do anything I need. I hate to say it, but you need to upgrade.
well i got my answer,i guess a new mac purchase is a must...i have never used a windows pc so definately not going that route,question can i buy a pc with linux preinstalled on it...if that was possible i would like to learn to use it
boydroid said:
well i got my answer,i guess a new mac purchase is a must...i have never used a windows pc so definately not going that route,question can i buy a pc with linux preinstalled on it...if that was possible i would like to learn to use it
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There are some sites that sell computers with Linux pre-installed.
Here's one:
http://linuxpreloaded.com/
abcdfv said:
There are some sites that sell computers with Linux pre-installed.
Here's one:
http://linuxpreloaded.com/
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thanks,ill start looking
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thanks,ill start looking
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Probably what you're gonna want to do first is ask yourself:
"What do I use my computer for"
There are some Linux distributions specifically designed to work as media servers, as video/image manipulation stations, and basically just about any specialization you can imagine.
If you're answer is
"I just want to use it"
Chances are Ubuntu or Mint is the way to go.
If your answer is
"MUST HAVE THE FASTEST NO MATTER WHAT"
A Gentoo based distro is the way to go.
I've bought a new phone however I do not want to waste my Nexus One. The idea came to my mind firstly was to make it a small 'server' running at home.
Technically I bet it's possible however I don't have a clear path to do that... I've googled for a while and I saw a lot tutorials about how to run Ubuntu on top of Android. However what I want is to get rid of Android and run Linux directly on the hardware.
I think that should have been done by some guys... any help thanks in advance!
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I've bought a new phone however I do not want to waste my Nexus One. The idea came to my mind firstly was to make it a small 'server' running at home.
Technically I bet it's possible however I don't have a clear path to do that... I've googled for a while and I saw a lot tutorials about how to run Ubuntu on top of Android. However what I want is to get rid of Android and run Linux directly on the hardware.
I think that should have been done by some guys... any help thanks in advance!
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IIRC, Android is Linux.
If you mean the computer OS, I have no idea.
Theshawty said:
IIRC, Android is Linux.
If you mean the computer OS, I have no idea.
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Yes I understand that - However I meant Linux such as Ubuntu or Arch distribution...
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Yes I understand that - However I meant Linux such as Ubuntu or Arch distribution...
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Running Ubuntu has been deemed possible.
Yes, but why and who will make a port (isn't this simple)? And not all drivers are open source and available to public.
BTW, android is linux and you can even port some applications (a time ago sometime is talking about porting glibc to android, don't remember if this get done, but I think is useless somehow).
It will happen
Word on the street is that Android drivers are being merged back into the development branch of the Linux 3.3 kernel. It's not too surprising considering Android developers were working with the Linux kernel developers until the 2.6.33 Linux kernel.
I bet we will see Debian or Ubuntu running on our N1s eventually. The N1 has a great developer backing since it was pitched as a developer phone, so I bet one of the many talented developers out there will eventually cook up a native Linux ROM. Besides, there are native ports for other devices out there so they can't be too far off.
You can currently install Ubuntu on your N1 but honestly it's pointless. Yes There are great apps to use but compatibility isn't 100% on the phone AND the apps run too slow to actually be useful.
You'd have better chances developing an app for android to do what you want lol.
If this helped hit THANKS
http://nexusonehacks.net/nexus-one-hacks/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-your-android/ Check this link for a how-to.
Anyone interested in comitting?
Here's the intro to the pros and cons [1]
Github [2]
I won't have time to work on this until next year, after a few classes. So I'm just putting this out there to spark some intrigue.
This is the definitive way to leave the ssssslow java and go to the "performer" C#!
I know a number of people who don't buy any Android phone because thay know very well that it is "slow" inside.
Java and its VM cannot compete with the speedness of windows phone 7, that is written in C#.
When i look at my friend's wp7 with a 1GHz processor i can't believe how quick it is, compared to ANY android phone.
I hope that this project will have a bright future.
adario73 said:
This is the definitive way to leave the ssssslow java and go to the "performer" C#!
I know a number of people who don't buy any Android phone because thay know very well that it is "slow" inside.
Java and its VM cannot compete with the speedness of windows phone 7, that is written in C#.
When i look at my friend's wp7 with a 1GHz processor i can't believe how quick it is, compared to ANY android phone.
I hope that this project will have a bright future.
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Interesting. I didn't know that Java was something that was slowing down Android.
Java slows down everything. It's way too high level a language for what it wants to accomplish to do. I suspect Google takes to closely with it's Stanford roots. Stanford teaches java in intro to computer science classes. Whereas, in unis like MIT one would start with python then C.
If it is slow, the problem is not comming from java and c# is not better or worst, the two languages are very similar. The diference is between the VMs Dalvik and Mono. Dalvik, which run java code, is not yet enougth mature .
I confirm, wp7 runs realy faster than Ics. I had a htc mozart with 1ghz and it was as fast as my current Note with it's dual core 1.4
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If it is slow, the problem is not comming from java and c# is not better or worst, the two languages are very similar. The diference is between the VMs Dalvik and Mono. Dalvik, which run java code, is not yet enougth mature .
I confirm, wp7 runs realy faster than Ics. I had a htc mozart with 1ghz and it was as fast as my current Note with it's dual core 1.4
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WP7 is a much more lightweight OS, so of course it is faster. Java certainly isn't helping, though...
Java ain't slow
MIght be some confusion, but how come the biggest international
market makers (stocktraders) use Java code to actually make the transactions with the stock exchange ?
I've been told that java is the fastest code out there to handle those tasks.
They are trying to gain microseconds, not milliseconds.
I will ask for some more info about it.
lucid said:
MIght be some confusion, but how come the biggest international
market makers (stocktraders) use Java code to actually make the transactions with the stock exchange ?
I've been told that java is the fastest code out there to handle those tasks.
They are trying to gain microseconds, not milliseconds.
I will ask for some more info about it.
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Both C# and Java compile down to a bytecode which runs inside a virtual machine (VM). The speed at the code runs is dependant on the speed of the VM. The Dalvik VM used by android is completely different to the Java VM used in desktop machines and has different performance characteristics. I wouldn't be suprised to find the Mono VM quite a bit faster, it's much more mature.
Java is certainly not the fastest programming language out there, C# is roughly the same speed while natively compiled languages such as C, C++, Delphi etc are typically 50% - 100% faster.
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This is not development yet.
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This is not development yet.
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Please move it back to development!
The developers (and most of the users) don't go to the General section. This have been for years in every device forum here on XDA! I myself used the General section only one or two times and that was before I bought the Note just to see what the people think of it. There is almost no useful info there and this thread have some potential! There it will be forgotten...
lucid said:
MIght be some confusion, but how come the biggest international
market makers (stocktraders) use Java code to actually make the transactions with the stock exchange ?
I've been told that java is the fastest code out there to handle those tasks.
They are trying to gain microseconds, not milliseconds.
I will ask for some more info about it.
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I don't know why they chose Java specifically, but I imagine the Java VM those stock traders use are much faster than Google's Dalvik.
The stock brokers only use Java for some clients - I promise you their servers and back end doesn't run Java!
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OrionBG said:
Please move it back to development!
The developers (and most of the users) don't go to the General section. This have been for years in every device forum here on XDA! I myself used the General section only one or two times and that was before I bought the Note just to see what the people think of it. There is almost no useful info there and this thread have some potential! There it will be forgotten...
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I guess we'll need you to bump it every few days forever to keep it alive...until some actual work is created.
OrionBG said:
Please move it back to development!
The developers (and most of the users) don't go to the General section. This have been for years in every device forum here on XDA! I myself used the General section only one or two times and that was before I bought the Note just to see what the people think of it. There is almost no useful info there and this thread have some potential! There it will be forgotten...
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I do go more often in General than Development...
That being said, I still wish there was a fully native Android experience. All apps written in C/C++, cross-compiled directly for ARM, and BANG : 5000x faster.
Zamboney said:
The stock brokers only use Java for some clients - I promise you their servers and back end doesn't run Java!
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Just my thought too. I've been working professionally as a software developer for almost 15 years, and I'd definitely pick something else than Java for anything performance critical. Back in the days we used to joke that if you're a fast typer, you can run your Java app while coding it.
Anyhow, I'd be thrilled to see more C# support for Android - it's just so much more comfortable to code. In hindsight I think Microsoft clearly did the right thing to ditch backwards compatibility for the new and improved features such as generics.
Lets get manufacturer release data sheet and then lets start coding in assembly will blow everything out of water (if you can write a 500 line of code for your hello world program ) ,
Java and c# are very different language,Java is slower but its getting faster, although I'd love to see android in c#.
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Definitely want to see this fine, would run it in a heartbeat
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Lets get manufacturer release data sheet and then lets start coding in assembly will blow everything out of water (if you can write a 500 line of code for your hello world program ) ,
Java and c# are very different language,Java is slower but its getting faster, although I'd love to see android in c#.
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Java is getting faster, Dalvik isn't.
Android Audio Latency
Will this potentially improve Androids audio latency issue?
Actually a big time discussion was taking place,which sometimes went out of proportion:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/04/Xamarin-XobotOS-ports-Android-to-C-Sharp/