Hi, after updating my acer Iconia Tab A500 this afternoon (Jan, 6), my tab rebooted as usual and after it switched on it got stuck on the Android splash screen. I switched off and on the device several times and tried resetting it (from the reset button) but nothing has changed. Boot is looping continuously but doesn't open up. I would appreciate if someone can help me out with this problem and resolve this matter as quickly as possible so I'll start using the tab again.
ksciortino said:
Hi, after updating my acer Iconia Tab A500 this afternoon (Jan, 6), my tab rebooted as usual and after it switched on it got stuck on the Android splash screen. I switched off and on the device several times and tried resetting it (from the reset button) but nothing has changed. Boot is looping continuously but doesn't open up. I would appreciate if someone can help me out with this problem and resolve this matter as quickly as possible so I'll start using the tab again.
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Sounds like you updated to the wrong image. Can you explain exactly what you did to upgrade? This is the behavior you'll see if you installed the wrong image.
TD
timmyDean said:
Sounds like you updated to the wrong image. Can you explain exactly what you did to upgrade? This is the behavior you'll see if you installed the wrong image.
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I don't recall the update exactly cause it happened so quickly. I'm sorry I can't be of any more help but is it possible to restore the tablet to its factory default setting? I have tried numerous ways to reset it but to no avail.
FACTORY RESET WITHOUT LOGON
ACER A500
1. Power Down
2. Make sure the Screen orientation is off (slide to left while landscape mode)
3. Hold down the right volume key (Volume up (+)).
4. Hold down the Power Button.
5. When it buzzes let go of the power but keep hold of the volume up button (+)
rock the screen orientation switch quickly back and forth once.
6. Should say :
Erasing Userdata....
Erasing Cache...
timmyDean said:
FACTORY RESET WITHOUT LOGON
ACER A500
1. Power Down
2. Make sure the Screen orientation is off (slide to left while landscape mode)
3. Hold down the right volume key (Volume up (+)).
4. Hold down the Power Button.
5. When it buzzes let go of the power but keep hold of the volume up button (+)
rock the screen orientation switch quickly back and forth once.
6. Should say :
Erasing Userdata....
Erasing Cache...
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Hi thanks for your help but I already tried this with no success. I also did the manual reset where I inserted a paper-clip where it says reset, but still nothing. It justs boots again and gets stuck at the Android splash screen again. The strange thing is that it flickers as if it is going to move on but it repeats the animation of the Android splash screen in an endless loop.
ksciortino said:
Hi thanks for your help but I already tried this with no success. I also did the manual reset where I inserted a paper-clip where it says reset, but still nothing. It justs boots again and gets stuck at the Android splash screen again. The strange thing is that it flickers as if it is going to move on but it repeats the animation of the Android splash screen in an endless loop.
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Pressing the reset button with a paperclip does NOTHING. It only powers it off, basically. It is not a reset as you're thinking. It is like hitting a reset button on a computer. It just reboots it, it does NOT reset the OS.
Did you follow the instructions I gave you to actually reset the OS? And did you get the messages saying it's erasing data etc. If not, then you need to get that working.
Please let me know.
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ksciortino said:
Hi thanks for your help but I already tried this with no success. I also did the manual reset where I inserted a paper-clip where it says reset, but still nothing. It justs boots again and gets stuck at the Android splash screen again. The strange thing is that it flickers as if it is going to move on but it repeats the animation of the Android splash screen in an endless loop.
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Pressing the reset button with a paperclip does NOTHING. It only powers it off, basically. It is not a reset as you're thinking. It is like hitting a reset button on a computer. It just reboots it, it does NOT reset the OS.
Did you follow the instructions I gave you to actually reset the OS? And did you get the messages saying it's erasing data etc. If not, then you need to get that working.
Please let me know.
Hey TimmyDean, I used this method and it definitely worked for me. I had the exact same problem the OP did where no matter what I did, I got stuck in boot loop. The difference is I didn't update anything. I simply tried rebooting my tablet cause it had been running for like 4 days straight...lol
Anyway, I got it back to some weird looking ROM, and it works. Now I'm just trying to do a nandroid restore to get my old settings back.
*I think the 'key' to using or trying this erasing data method Timmy Dean has posted is exactly when you feel the tablet vibrate immediately release the POWER button but keep holding the Volume+ (right volume button). The second you release the power button, flick the landscape lock switch (the switch to the right of the volume button) real fast to the right and back left again, leaving in the left position. I had to do this a few times to get it right, I kept thinking it wasn't working either...but I tried and tried again.
Thanks again TimmyDean
Yeah, I got this to work, but mine said: "Erasing Userdata...
Unrecoverable bootloader error (0x19000008)."
The second line in red letters. Any ideas?
Yes, you have an A100 bootloader...
Dead tablet...
ultramag69 said:
Yes, you have an A100 bootloader...
Dead tablet...
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Yeah, I wish people would tell "exactly" what they were trying to install. And what they were trying to install it on!
Would help out a lot
Looping start-up
ultramag69 said:
Yes, you have an A100 bootloader...
Dead tablet...
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What do you mean by a dead tablet? Does it mean it cannot be fixed anymore???
Coz I have the same problem with my tablet. Please, can anybody help???
If you installed a bootloader for another version of tablet it is most likely a true brick. Acer might be able to fix but it could cost you... At least your tab still serves as a nifty paperweight...
Please help, I have the same problem with tab a200
Erasing Userdata...
Unrecoverable bootloader error (0x19000008)
I have tried many roms and service roms, Just stock rom opened but it is asking to me "Enter Your Password".
Who knows the password?
Sorry for bad english.
Worked on my A200. I had an "Unrecoverable Bootloader Error". I think I just needed to do it a few times.... Thanks for saving me $300 and my wife's wrath.
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agarip said:
Please help, I have the same problem with tab a200
Erasing Userdata...
Unrecoverable bootloader error (0x19000008)
I have tried many roms and service roms, Just stock rom opened but it is asking to me "Enter Your Password".
Who knows the password?
Sorry for bad english.
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See my post above... Just do the button thing a few times, i maybe you have to time it just right... it gets you back though.
workdowg said:
Worked on my A200. I had an "Unrecoverable Bootloader Error". I think I just needed to do it a few times.... Thanks for saving me $300 and my wife's wrath.
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See my post above... Just do the button thing a few times, i maybe you have to time it just right... it gets you back though.
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is it landscape lock button thing?
timmyDean said:
FACTORY RESET WITHOUT LOGON
ACER A500
1. Power Down
2. Make sure the Screen orientation is off (slide to left while landscape mode)
3. Hold down the right volume key (Volume up (+)).
4. Hold down the Power Button.
5. When it buzzes let go of the power but keep hold of the volume up button (+)
rock the screen orientation switch quickly back and forth once.
6. Should say :
Erasing Userdata....
Erasing Cache...
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agarip said:
is it landscape lock button thing?
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This "button" thing...
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if you truly think you bricked it , let me know , you can ship it to me as a gift ,I would gladly take it off your hands!
workdowg said:
This "button" thing...
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not working,
i did all things, i see on screen "Erasing Userdata..."
same problem continue 0x19000008
Vintage144 said:
if you truly think you bricked it , let me know , you can ship it to me as a gift ,I would gladly take it off your hands!
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I will "1 up" you. I will pay shipping.
Seriously though, there are only 2 options.
1. If you all were clever enough to get your UID number before all this happened. Then, you can NVFlash a new bootloader and recovery. Threads for getting your UID can be found in the Dev forum. Lot's of ways. I hear tell you can even look in your windows/temp directory at the tmp files and maybe find it.
2. You can try to look at Vache's thread in the Dev section "full package and updates". Grab an update.zip, put it on your SD card, and try holding either Vol+ or - and PWR at the same time. See if there's enough life left to install it. Probably not, but you never know. Would also try the rotation lock button thing as well. One never knows.
If you see the update start to install and fail, try a different update file. Heck, try it a couple of times.
Other option, send it to Acer for repair.
agarip said:
not working,
i did all things, i see on screen "Erasing Userdata..."
same problem continue 0x19000008
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Like I said, do it again and again. I don't know how many tries it took. At least you are doing "the button thing" right if you got that message.
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Alright so this is what Im looking for,
i was on a phone call last night and my phone screen just went blank, the touch button are glowing but screen is just blank dark. So i went into recovery and it gave me bunch of error, so i thought to hard reset it.
Ive been searching every where its tell me to hold the vol down and press the power and when the logo comes up release it, and a few other ways but nothing is working.. phone boots fine, goes thru that samsung animation and then then the black screen. Please help.
Almost...
Hold:
Volume UP
Middle button
Power button
that takes me to recovery man,,,,it only has wipe option and that aint working..
junooni.1980 said:
that takes me to recovery man,,,,it only has wipe option and that aint working..
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Vol down power and home key for download
junooni.1980 said:
that takes me to recovery man,,,,it only has wipe option and that aint working..
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Well, that is the menu that your looking for if you want to do a hard reset (WIPE). If it not working, then your phone is toast. Unless you want to try flashing it with another ROM using Odin. Which may work. (but very doubtful) There are tons and tons of threads here for you to researh your problem, but it sounds to me like the SD card has gone tits up. Wen u try to do a hard reset (wipe) what comes up on the screen after you select wipe??
But Vol up, middle button, and pwr is in fact the menu your looking for to do a Hard reset. (wipe)
If in fact your SD card is having issues, there is a thread floating around here somewhere, where some people have had sucess reviving their phone (and SD) using a series of flashes or something that may work.
Grashoper said:
Well, that is the menu that your looking for if you want to do a hard reset (WIPE). If it not working, then your phone is toast. Unless you want to try flashing it with another ROM using Odin. Which may work. (but very doubtful) There are tons and tons of threads here for you to researh your problem, but it sounds to me like the SD card has gone tits up. Wen u try to do a hard reset (wipe) what comes up on the screen after you select wipe??
But Vol up, middle button, and pwr is in fact the menu your looking for to do a Hard reset. (wipe)
If in fact your SD card is having issues, there is a thread floating around here somewhere, where some people have had sucess reviving their phone (and SD) using a series of flashes or something that may work.
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Ok so i tired flashing with Odin, and it was success but after rebooting it still the same thing...button are lighting up but black screen. Can any one guide me to the right direction please??
Your phone is dead.
You will have to bring it to a store for an exchange for a new one.
urfase said:
Your phone is dead.
You will have to bring it to a store for an exchange for a new one.
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I agree, go exchange. you should see the common unable to mount error in the recovery to confirm it's toast
junooni.1980 said:
Ok so i tired flashing with Odin, and it was success but after rebooting it still the same thing...button are lighting up but black screen. Can any one guide me to the right direction please??
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Just flash your phone with odin to a 2.1 firmware (stock firmware, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=846913 ) it should do the trick, if it's entering recovery and then let's you install a new firmware you're ok, but before installing a new firmware just take the battery out for 15-20 sec so the phone has no power to keep residual info from your previouse firmware.
Ok so I have been running the Dexter mod version 1.2 on my elocity, and I got brave and decided to update to v1.41. After installing I am stuck at a screen that says "Booting recovery kernel image". I have been trying to find a solution to this, but I feel a bit in over my head, as I am quite new to this. Can anyone help or point me in the right direction of a fix if there is one? I'm not exactly a tech genius but I can follow step-by-step instructions Anyone?
Make sure the file size of your .zip is 104mb
Could have been a bad download.
Re-download, make sure to check file size.
Start from scratch. Making sure to do the wipe/factory reset and clear cache.
Hope it helps. Bricks are so much less entertaining than tablets.
My .zip is showing as 110mb even after downloading again
Since I am stuck at the "booting recovery kernel image" screen I haven't been able to get back to the recovery menu...is there a way to force?
TexasGrrl said:
My .zip is showing as 110mb even after downloading again
Since I am stuck at the "booting recovery kernel image" screen I haven't been able to get back to the recovery menu...is there a way to force?
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If you hold the power button in for about 15 seconds it will turn off and you can restart the process.
Hope this helps you.
After it powers back up it keeps taking me to the same screen instead of the recovery menu...
After it has turned off. Removed the SDcard...Hold the button in for 2 seconds and release...Then hold the button in again till the message about holding it in for 5 seconds appears...Keep holding the botton in...DO NOT RELAESE IT till the config screen comes up...Navigate to factory reset...choose the YES option.
That should then reset back to factory settings. I would also redownload the Dexter Mod again, just to make sure it wasn't corrupt.
That should clear it up for you.
rifdroid said:
After it has turned off. Removed the SDcard...Hold the button in for 2 seconds and release...Then hold the button in again till the message about holding it in for 5 seconds appears...Keep holding the botton in...DO NOT RELAESE IT till the config screen comes up...Navigate to factory reset...choose the YES option.
That should then reset back to factory settings. I would also redownload the Dexter Mod again, just to make sure it wasn't corrupt.
That should clear it up for you.
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For some reason it won't take me to the 5 seconds message (it used to before all this no prob)...it just has the same "booting" message when it initially comes up and if I continue to hold down the power button, it will power back off instead of the config screen
Follow the instructions but hold the power and press the home button at the same time i tend to get recovery that way
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nthknd said:
Follow the instructions but hold the power and press the home button at the same time i tend to get recovery that way
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I tried, but still nothing....
As much as I love this thing, it's about to become a frisbee here in a few more minutes...
TexasGrrl said:
I tried, but still nothing....
As much as I love this thing, it's about to become a frisbee here in a few more minutes...
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Ok. If you got broken recovery and broken system too - you should use hard methods to restore.
1) read this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11742434&postcount=2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11758575&postcount=14
2) Do all preparations things - install Nvidia Developer Kit, drivers, buy or find A-A cable
3) If you need any help with this - write here or use PM.
Hi Folks
My tab only stuck Android logo, ask for password. i enter password then again comes android logo and nothing
I tried hard reset combination. but none worked for me. is there any solution to this problem ?
a solid hard reset combination ? or a rom which will recover my device from this state ?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks & regards
subr4t4 said:
Hi Folks
My tab only stuck Android logo, ask for password. i enter password then again comes android logo and nothing
I tried hard reset combination. but none worked for me. is there any solution to this problem ?
a solid hard reset combination ? or a rom which will recover my device from this state ?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks & regards
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Sounds like you'll need to try to do a factory wipe from recovery and then flash a zip of the stock rom (which you'll need to copy to your SD card)
Did forget your own password or buy this one hot?
dottat said:
Sounds like you'll need to try to do a factory wipe from recovery and then flash a zip of the stock rom (which you'll need to copy to your SD card)
Did forget your own password or buy this one hot?
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Probably not a good idea for him to answer that if it's the latter.
dottat said:
Sounds like you'll need to try to do a factory wipe from recovery and then flash a zip of the stock rom (which you'll need to copy to your SD card)
Did forget your own password or buy this one hot?
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Thanks for reply
Trying to factory wipe by following some hard reset manual but none worked for me.
No, password i know still i can enter.
Trying to restore with Update or Full package.
Acer_A500_0.000.00_4.017.07_EMEA_CUS7_1311771237783_253e5e46.zip
Acer_A500_0.000.00_4.010.42_EMEA_GEN3_1311244577711_036d89ae New.zip
Tried with this 2 files, but none worked yet.
which file i ve to try from here ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1113878
??
anyone else ? i m still stuck
Did you try a full wipe of the tablet? Hold down the volume up key and the power button until the tablet vibrates. Release the power button while still holding the volume up key, and slide the screen lock button (next to the volume up key) to the right and then back to the left.
The screen should display 'Erasing Userdata', you can then release the volume key. It should then erase the cache, Acer says it can take 5-10 minutes to complete. The tablet should then reboot, and you may be able to get in from the stock settings.
If the tablets hangs at 'Erasing Cache' for more than 15 minutes, force a power down by holding in the power key. The try the power/volume/lock routine again.
subr4t4 said:
Tried with this 2 files, but none worked yet.
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What doesn't work exactly? Did you get an error during installation? Or was installation successful but the problem still exists?
ThatGeekGuy said:
Did you try a full wipe of the tablet? Hold down the volume up key and the power button until the tablet vibrates. Release the power button while still holding the volume up key, and slide the screen lock button (next to the volume up key) to the right and then back to the left.
The screen should display 'Erasing Userdata', you can then release the volume key. It should then erase the cache, Acer says it can take 5-10 minutes to complete. The tablet should then reboot, and you may be able to get in from the stock settings.
If the tablets hangs at 'Erasing Cache' for more than 15 minutes, force a power down by holding in the power key. The try the power/volume/lock routine again.
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Tried exactly same as u said, it shows "Erasing cach before sd update" then it brings recovery icon. nothing........
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What doesn't work exactly? Did you get an error during installation? Or was installation successful but the problem still exists?
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Installation was 80% but not success........ stuck @ Recovery logo
anyone else with any other idea? m still stuck......
I have the same issues. I have tried installing new roms, and still get the same issues. Any ideas would be great
Hello everyone, i have a Iconia Tab A501 and i can't get it to work.
When i power it up it just hangs on the Acer logo. I can enter in recovery, but any rom (i tried 3 of them) that i try to flash doesn't work. The green android with the rotating 3d-thing is there but after a few seconds it's gone and at his place there is another android with the open belly and the red warning symbol.
I can't flash it because i don't have the cpuid. The bootloader is locked. What can i do?
edocod said:
Hello everyone, i have a Iconia Tab A501 and i can't get it to work.
When i power it up it just hangs on the Acer logo. I can enter in recovery, but any rom (i tried 3 of them) that i try to flash doesn't work. The green android with the rotating 3d-thing is there but after a few seconds it's gone and at his place there is another android with the open belly and the red warning symbol.
I can't flash it because i don't have the cpuid. The bootloader is locked. What can i do?
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Sorry if this is a bit late. I'm not sure if this will work for a Iconia A501(I have A500), but you can try a hard reset.
To do this, power off, hold down volume UP(not down like to enter recovery), power up, then toggle the screen lock switch back and forth (I believe you can release the power button while doing this, just keep holding to volume control) This should equate to a factory reset(I've never done it, so I'm not sure). If it doesn't work try it again(apparently it takes a few tries)
Hope this helps!
CurtisMJ said:
Sorry if this is a bit late. I'm not sure if this will work for a Iconia A501(I have A500), but you can try a hard reset.
To do this, power off, hold down volume UP(not down like to enter recovery), power up, then toggle the screen lock switch back and forth (I believe you can release the power button while doing this, just keep holding to volume control) This should equate to a factory reset(I've never done it, so I'm not sure). If it doesn't work try it again(apparently it takes a few tries)
Hope this helps!
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It doesn't work. It turns on showing the acer logo and hangs.
It's probably done the same as mine, died permanently. Nothing you can do about it. It's most likely that the mmc is broken or has become unsoldered. Sorry but I suspect it's toast.
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edocod said:
It doesn't work. It turns on showing the acer logo and hangs.
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How long did you wait? It takes some time to boot up first time. If you still have issues you can try force it into APX mode and flash the bootloader and recovery again, then reflash the stock ROM in recovery. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1619913
Or it could be completely dead like zardoz99 says. That would seriously suck.
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Read again. Y U HAVE NO CPUID!?
CurtisMJ said:
How long did you wait? It takes some time to boot up first time. If you still have issues you can try force it into APX mode and flash the bootloader and recovery again, then reflash the stock ROM in recovery. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1619913
Or it could be completely dead like zardoz99 says. That would seriously suck.
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Read again. Y U HAVE NO CPUID!?
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I waited all the night.
The tablet isn't mine so i don't have the CPUID. However, it enters in APX mode and in recovery.
edocod said:
I waited all the night.
The tablet isn't mine so i don't have the CPUID. However, it enters in APX mode and in recovery.
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Sorry, being even in APX mode you can't do anything without your CPUID. Sorry, but the only thing I can think of now is to send it in to Acer to repair.
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Sorry, being even in APX mode you can't do anything without your CPUID. Sorry, but the only thing I can think of now is to send it in to Acer to repair.
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You can get the CPUID in APX mode, see [GUIDE] Recovering Recovery/Obtaining SKB.
eppeP said:
You can get the CPUID in APX mode, see [GUIDE] Recovering Recovery/Obtaining SKB.
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Maybe I should do my research next time Once you got the SBK you should be set to flash:good: Good Luck!
My moms A500 is stuck on the acer boot screen. She said that she had just opened a new tab in the browser and it froze up. Its 100% stock so its not a failed rom or anything. So does this mean it a hardware issue? I just don't want to keep wasting my time trying things to no avail. I have tried to flash Stock image a couple times with different files. I'm by no means a pro so any input is valued greatly. Thanks! Also it has been acting up and lagging pretty bad the last couple months.
phillipmc95 said:
My moms A500 is stuck on the acer boot screen. She said that she had just opened a new tab in the browser and it froze up. Its 100% stock so its not a failed rom or anything. So does this mean it a hardware issue? I just don't want to keep wasting my time trying things to no avail. I have tried to flash Stock image a couple times with different files. I'm by no means a pro so any input is valued greatly. Thanks! Also it has been acting up and lagging pretty bad the last couple months.
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Have you tried a factory reset?
Resetting your Acer A500 tablet:
Holding Volume UP, Turn on Power, then switch Lock On/Off back and forth with Volume Up Continually held. THIS STARTS THE RESET, wait for 20 sec. to start Android.
You may have to perform a reset if your tablet fails to respond when buttons are pressed or the screen is tapped.
To reset your tablet use a small thin object (such as a paperclip) to press the recessed reset button.
Try to use APXflash to flash the bootloader. maybe the bootloader is corrupted.
phillipmc95 said:
My moms A500 is stuck on the acer boot screen. She said that she had just opened a new tab in the browser and it froze up. Its 100% stock so its not a failed rom or anything. So does this mean it a hardware issue? I just don't want to keep wasting my time trying things to no avail. I have tried to flash Stock image a couple times with different files. I'm by no means a pro so any input is valued greatly. Thanks! Also it has been acting up and lagging pretty bad the last couple months.
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If its a hardware issue this will tell you
babsector.rar here
If it doesn't 'work' please post the output.
This file will reset your tabs partitions, flash the v8 bootloader and cwm.
ALso just a note: once you format system your tab will have NO OS!! Make sure you flash your rom before rebooting!!!
How to use babsector -
Turn your tab off and put it in apx mode manually. Press and hold reset button, hold power for 3 secs after the light comes on and release it, after another second release the reset button. Your screen is black and the power light is on.
On your PC:
Download and extract the .rar to a folder on your PC
Connect your tab to your PC
Navigate to the babsector folder and click on 501 A.bat
On your tab:
Reboot into recovery power/volume DOWN - (closest end to the power button)
Go to Mounts and Storage Menu and
Format - System, Data, Flexrom, Cache
Then flash your ICS/JB rom, power off.
Go back into apx mode and run 501 B.bat
Reboot into recovery and do the wipes
Reboot!!!
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