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I've only ever used mobile phones before.. Never been into the technology, so the whole firmware update thing never really concerned me too much..
Just read this on the htc legend forums..
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I think you are missing the point here. HTC are VERY slow at releasing updates for their phones. If they cared about their customers just a little bit more, all 2010 models would have Android 2.2 now. And yes, we expect updates to be released. Could well bee that updatet products are of no interess for you, but for others that have experienced HTC for years now, we are starting to be tired of all the delays.
It's a shame HTC have no real competition, the day they do you can be sure customers will not accept this **** any more.
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Suggests htc aren't really any better than SE!
So maybe things aren't so bad after all..
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Maybe its just that people love to hate. Still, we don't see htc missing deadlines do we..
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SE is not bad, they can't keep up with their promise. This is not the first time as same thing happened with X1 and X2 as far as I experienced it myself. SE is awesome but it could be even better, way more!
The difference is that pretty much all(?) HTC's are running at least 2.1 at this point, and increasingly more are getting 2.2. Also, HTC spends more time working on their software than on locking down the phone, so most(all?) phones can be flashed with custom ROMs.
HTC owners are mad about being behind in firmware, and SE owners are just mad about being slightly further behind...
i think they make great phones(hardware) but there programmes and programmers(software) is just plain bad, when our great dev team get us custom roms we'll have great software to go with our great hardware!
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Difference is that HTC are reasonably commited to providing up to date OS for their phones. Where as SE won't even commit to 2.2. We are over a year behind, HTC owners complain about being a month or two behind, HUGE difference. Additionally, HTC tend to have relatively easy to crack bootloaders or even provide unlocked bootloaders for some phones. Unlike SE, they don't invest time in perfecting the DRM and locking out the customer; same goldcard method has been available for years. They do JUST enough to cover their corporate butt, but don't go out of their way to stop you voiding your warranty. SE FOCUS on locking the customers out and retaining control of their hardware, PS/PSP made them very, very good at it; they are much better than Apple for example - put it this way, the iPhone is a more open device than our SE phones. I'm never buying another SE product again, in fact, the vineyard I work at was offerred a bunch of X10s by vodafone as upgrades for our staff; I made sure we went with iPhones instead. Ok, it was only six sales SE lost - but it made me feel a lot better. ;-)
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i think they make great phones(hardware) but there programmes and programmers(software) is just plain bad, when our great dev team get us custom roms we'll have great software to go with our great hardware!
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A) their programmers are actually very good, just that they are trying to stop us doing what we want.
B) The reality is, we may NEVER be able to get custom roms. There are formidable obstacles in our way and SE are very good at DRM. The dev community is very small compared to HTC, and miniscule compared to the number of people working on jailbreaking Apple's products
You do have a point.
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YES SE MAKE ME ANGRY
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Actually no, they are not bad at all. Just because they delayed an update doesnt make them bad. I had quite a few SE phones before this one and they were always amazing phones in their time like the w810 and k850i. SE phones are reliable and very well built with very good spec and features. I have always trusted SE phones and will continue to. A lot of the people here talk out of their ass, but just watch when SE come out with their next super device all those people that say never again im buying SE phone will be the first ones to get it. Its always like that. For a first android phone i think they did an amazing job. The phone is a machine, tough, stable, reliable with great spec and the best camera in the market. So my opinion is they are not bad at all.
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The best camera?
I dont get the point Have you ever compare the picture captured by x10 with an HD2 one? I dont think we are having the best camera fone on the market (smart phone only).
I like the design of x10, i like its specs also, but i dont like the software (OS) and the way SE treat their customers.
And with 65k color, my screen cannot show a perfect color of an widget, such as Power Widget ( it's look like was shown on a cheap mobile screen). Haiz
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And with 65k color, my screen cannot show a perfect color of an widget, such as Power Widget ( it's look like was shown on a cheap mobile screen). Haiz
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Why are you judging the screen quality based on a widget? Sometimes the graphics are of low quality. Try using SpringPad widget or Recodroid widget. They look perfect. ;-)
Seriously, half of you idiots actually realize this phone was announced september 09.
It was released like Jan or Feb. This phone is first targeting the Japanese audiences, not you americans nor europeans at first. I am pretty sure the japanese might have this phone a lot more early.
Now back to the point, why are you comparing to a phone that is already 1 years behind the competitiion. THIS is AN OLD PHONE.
Do you still get update on your w810 or whatever? NO, old phone don't update themselves. You either get a new phone to go with your little friends on their pursue for "greater numbers" or join Iphone community where no one will complain about thier OS.
Let SE does their own job, if you don't like the phone, for god saken, thrash it or sell it and do yourself a favor, buy a new phone. I am sick of reading thread every time i open this link to see more "SE sucks and such".
Are you guys like some 5 years old kids complaining about their toys not being the latest? Geez, get off the forum already.
From usability & build quality standpoint SE is not bad. The problem IMO is the x10 has a why the hell did they do that factor. Why the hell is SE taking so long to release 2.1? Why the hell is the 2.1 upgrade only supporting 65k colours instead of 16m? Why the hell did SE leave out MT hardware support? It doesn't matter if you find any of these features useful what does matter IMO is that SE's rivals have these features.
This is se's first android phone so they started with nothing. HTC's first androids were craptastic. But now that HTC have their software developed they can release 10 new phone a year and only have to adapt the software a little. Se will get better with their software it just takes time.
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Samsung has stated the possibility of an official update to the Android operating system version 2.3, which is intended for all of the issued units range Galaxy. The new OS has a more refined user interface has been improved as well by copying and pasting text. In addition there is support for video on the Internet - resources (WebM/VP8) and full support for VoIP calls using the built-in front camera. However, the emphasis on developers are increasing the performance of their devices at the same time, the new version of the operating system has increased the battery life of smartphones by optimizing the energy consumption. All of the devices in this family can be updated automatically by means of an instrument Kies, which is a formal program for flashing devices. The latest version of the operating system can also be downloaded from the official website of the company. updates, in particular, the following models are available: Galaxy S (I9000), Galaxy Ace (S5830), Galaxy Fit (S5670), Galaxy Gio (S5660) and Galaxy Mini (S5570) . Just now getting ready for the new firmware Galaxy S scLCD (I9003), Galaxy Tab 3G (P1000) and Galaxy Tab Wi-Fi (P1010), which will appear later.
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You are Right, ilievski.ace, full agreement!
But that's the normal behavior since creation of economy. Specially since the invention of the "game" of developing HARDWARE & SOFTWARE
They are not interested, that we use our cheap phones forever. They want you to buy a new one.
That's quiet easy and logical.
Our G3 is not a high end phone and unfortunately the development of software seems to be too expensive for them. So they concentrate on their new devices.
That's sad, but not the customer is their interest but the profit in the end.
I really hate to explain any customers, that they should buy a hole new computer after 3 or 4 years, because it's cheaper for them, than the costs of changing the motherboard and recreate the OS with the new Hardware for example... ;(
Siple answer for samsung reply is that they will not take care of g3. It's not so popular as other models so they leave it for good...
Shame.
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samsung must sold new models, who cares for the old one
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Of course it's not right. I don't care about Samsung's reasons. SG3 is not an old legacy handset, it is about a year old device! There is no reason to abandon it, and contrary to many people's beliefs, it's quite popular because it's relatively cheap for an Android phone so many people have it and use it - Samsung sees this as another opportunity to sell even more handsets to even more people because it will deny many people simple software upgrades. Samsung is acting like Apple and it's a bad behavior, I and many other people will never buy another product - at least a phone - from Samsung. I recommend everyone to pass SG3 and to boycott Samsung in any way they can because Samsung deserves it. Many other manufactures act similarly, but not to this extent and they do release unofficial hacks and they "borrow" their devs to the community to hack some updates even if they refuse to do it publicly. SE X10, the device released in the beginning of 2009 with android 1.5 got it's 2.3.4 update recently! How can Sony-Ericsson do that for practically dead phone? How is that suddenly "Rational" to SE?
Samsuck can screw themselves with their piss poor overpriced hardware, if I wanted to be treated like this I would have bought Apple iPhone 3GS and I would at least have a decent piece of hardware.
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You are right.They just whant money money and again money..
They said that they will update our phone to 2.2 but in my country there is none update and my country isnt listed!!!!?
My point i think that they will never update our phone to 2.3 whic is sad (((
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It's all about money
"KOLKU PARI TOLKU MUZIKA" MEANS HOW MUCH MONEY THAT MUCH MUSIC
Samsung sucks, they look good on paper but they just suck. The hardware of SG3 is badly done, drivers even worse, customer support is rubish, their firmwares are all buged and laggy and unreliable. If they upgraded the phone to 2.3 it would not make much difference i tell you, drivers are really bad. My next phone is going to be HTC i think
Right now I'm thinking in the same way as you. I will change samsung to sth different. Because what i have seen after i bought this phone is a drama... But hope that cm project will be still active because in some way i like this phone.
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yeah, CM7 is really great, since its built from AOSP, no samsung crap. Marcellusbe has my greatest thanks. CM7 a4 is the best ROM i've used, no lags/crap/fcs like in samsungs firmware. I just cant wait for it to get to beta or rc. I won't be buying a new phone for a while now, so the devs are my only hope. Developers>Samsung
Waited for more than 4 months for official update to 2.2 without flashing on my own, since it was promised by Samsung.
And when it arrived my country, what did I get? Crappy, bugged, laggy rom!!!
All this waiting for what?! Flashed straight away to a better firmware like JPM, which wasnt meant for my country. Then after, its all Custom ROMS. And by & far, they are much much much 100x better than what samsung released for public.
I have hope in our DEVs, and Im sure we will get 2.3...big thanks to the DEVs who keep alive our G3.
Sign Our Twitition Here
Dear Samsung,
Before us, you were a nobody in the Android Arena. HTC and Motorola ruled the landscape. We turned around your fortunes. Ice Cream Sandwich is touted as the biggest change to Android in a long time. Its beautiful, its fast and we want it. After reading this we are disappointed. You say that our hardware will not support it, we ask you how does the similarly specced Nexus S run it so smoothly? You say our hardware is insufficient to run Ice Cream Sandwich along with your TouchWiz smoothly. We will remind you that we have one of the best GPU's around. Given that ICS supports hardware acceleration, we feel that you are being a bit lazy with your coding. We are sure you can manage to make even a TouchWized ICS run smoothly on our devices. If you remember the HTC Desire, HTC had said that it would not run Sense UI and Gingerbread. After a lot of uproar, HTC decided to give their users the option of running an unskinned Gingerbread on their Desires. It voided their users' warranty, but at least it gave them an option. Since most of your Galaxy S devices will already be out of warranty or almost out of warranty, we feel we deserve at least this much. Bring a de-Touchwized Ice Cream Sandwich to our devices. Its the least you can do. Yours Sincerely,
The Galaxy S Family
sorry to burn your boat this will not help any body get Samsung to update our galaxy s to ics all Samsung want is to buy a new phone
There's already a well established petition here http://www.change.org/petitions/www...ndwich-version-for-users-of-the-samsung-i9000
If you really want ics, try teamhacksung ics. Its much better than what Samsung could put out.
Its beta but i am using it daily without major issues.
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I've been on ICS since a month. Tried out all the ports. Its not for me. Its for people who don't want to or cant dabble in custom ROM's, which is pretty much 99% of the 15M+ SGS users.
TouchWiz my a##!! We don't need useless touchwiz UI with ICS, as it makes ICS look ugly. I am cursing myself now that I should have waited for SE Neo instead of going for SGS !! Now our devs are our only hope!
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We won't get ICS and we won't see samsung update without touchwiz. Ofcourse Samsung uses touchwiz on every new and older phones.
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HTC uses Sense UI in each and every device of theirs. Yet they made an exception with the HTC Desire and offered their users a way to upgrade to GB and remove Sense.
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TouchWiz my a##!! We don't need useless touchwiz UI with ICS, as it makes ICS look ugly. I am cursing myself now that I should have waited for SE Neo instead of going for SGS !! Now our devs are our only hope!
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Dont do this. Xperia neo is rubbish compared to sgs.
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Samsung is shooting herself in the leg.
I do not think that SGS+ will not get ICE CREAM SANDWICH.
Why? because if i9023 (Nexus S) receives the upgrade,and it is, then why should not i9001(0) get the upgrade to?because the technical specifications of the i9001 exceeds specifications of i9023 (http://www.gsmchoice.com/en/porownanie/5020/5023/5101/0/)
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If you really want ics, try teamhacksung ics. Its much better than what Samsung could put out.
Its beta but i am using it daily without major issues.
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yeah but if there was a official Rom put out, then it would save the Devs the headache of having to build the Roms themselves using resources off other devices, they could then focus on the actual speed and reliability of the Rom instead of having to go through the headache of trying to port everything to the phone themselves
Instead of signing petitions, why not all of us just posted at their Facebook, Twitter and their customer service support. Seeing since so many (like 5000+) had signed the petition. If the 5000+ went to spam their facebook and twitter I guess somehow they will notice it?
I like your idea just swamp the crap out of their pages with the exact question...
i recon thats a statement
Join us in our cause to make Samsung support their customers, rather than just spit in their faces.
We've spent our well earned money on a device that was clearly overestimated, and now it's manufacturer thinks it can just throw it all away and not support our needs for a brand new Operating System which we have been waiting for for months.
Apple has always been supporting it's customers by enabling them to upgrade features and whole Operating Systems even if they own much older devices (up to 2 years back), I wouldn't want to think Samsung isn't capable of the same thing.
Join our cause and be heard.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Ice-Cream-Sandwich-to-Samsung-Galaxy-S/185448618218473?sk=wall
P.S.
I would also like to post the petition link on this page, does anyone know who's the person who thought about it so we can work together on this?
They can't come up with a valid excuse else than financial ones not to put out an offical ICS rom. If it's purely financial, it means they're just treating customers like money bags. If that's the case, customer outrage is perfectly acceptable and justifiable.
So, outrage everywhere i'd say. The noisier we are more chances there will be someone actually listens.
Don't be shy, spam everywhere. Samsung's facebook, tweeter, customer support, every petition available, etc. That's what i'm doing. And if they still aren't doing anything, i'll just change my brand. Plenty of android devices (or even apple?) to chose from. No one cares for a company who doesn't care for his customers so screw them.
By the way, OP is well written and explains everything someone should expect them to do in this situation, well done.
I agree with everyone, and further more, this is not a cheap device, it's still a high end device just 15 months old.
If you buy an expensive phone on 24 month contract next time, should it be Samsung?
I guess we already spent the money so there's no need to court us. I'm not sure I would do it again.
For next phone i have two choices:
1) Buy high end android phone and be in same lame ass situation like this one
2) Buy iPhone and be settled for three years
What do you think i will do?
For me the disappointing thing about all this is Samsung's insistence on such a heavy Touchwiz layer on top of ICS.
When I saw ICS I hoped they might abandon TW as so many features from that were implemented in ICS anyway.
I had decided to upgrade my SGS to a SGS II to get ICS as it is a superior device to the Nexus S in my opinion.
Then I saw the ghastly overlay of TW which just drags ICS down. All this just forces me to go the custom ROM route to get a version of ICS that isn't unnecessarily bloated.
I actually like TW on Gingerbread but now I think Samsung has lost the plot just when they looked set to topple the iPhone.
F.ck you samsung. SGS FOR SALE. I hate my phone and samsung.
Today is pretty much a sad day for Samsung, ICS and Android in general, in my opinion.
Androids latest version, ICS, has been released about 5 months ago. Today, the most important Android device available on the planet, has not yet seen an update to this latest version yet, and I think that is something to be ashamed of. As a pretty normal user, I don't know and don't really care how much development goes on before releasing a new version, but a company that sells 300 million handsets in a year (of which at least 20 million of this type of handset that have cost the user somewhere between 400 and 550 euro's) I expect some more dedication to deliver a finished product worthy of it's name, fame and money. Google should be very upset that their latest product stays more or less hidden from public for about 6 months in this high paced market because multi-billion multinationals choose to dedicate too few people to get the software side of things sorted out.
All the false rumours don't really add to the experience of having a top-end device. Countless piles of crap have been pushed out by various dubious sources simply because Samsung does not wish to pin itself to a date. They knew, that people would have been outraged if they had stated in october that ICS would be released on the Android phone as much as half a year later. Instead, they let the irritation smolder and only give some vague hints once or twice during the whole period.
In my opinion, smartphone use is not as much about hardware as many of the Android manufacturers and users would like to see. The race for top specs will probably look quite ridiculous a few years from now. The secret to having an amazing device has it's foundation in good hardware (not neccesarily top notch hardware though) and esthetics/design, but without proper software this foundation will still be only a foundation. Nobody likes to own the best foundation in the world when there are no walls, windows, furniture, household appliances and great looks and functionality to make the living pleasureable. Off course, Samsung does provide us with all that in some way or another, but it is lagging behind seriously, especially compared to the competing major OS'es.
Naturally, every Android user has the possibility to blast everything off the foundation and build something custom on it, being either Samsung stuff with some extra things and paint added or removed, or being prefab Cyanogenmod or MIUI or whatever, but unfortunately this argument is worth almost nothing since it is again Samsung who decides when the bits and pieces become available for custom building, and this is lagging even further behind than their own software building, much to the irritation of the developers of custom firmware.
So, to sum it up, I think this has been a praticularly bad day for all SGS2 Android smartphone lovers. And being beaten to it by some other competing manufacturer does not help!
Thanks for listening
Dude, relax. It is just a phone. An nice one, but still a phone.
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You do know Samsung don't have to release an update right?
Next time get a Nexus device, any other flavoured Android build takes time for adaptation and I'll rather they did a good job than rush a half baked build.
Your rant suggests you lack a fundamental understanding of the process.
Huge post lol
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i would rather have a stable rom with a bit of delay than a buggy one (doesnt apply to cyanogen mod )
and what are you on about its been about 3 months from the release of galaxy nexus
and anyways ics is coming tomorrow
we did have beta roms from december and we could see samsung patching bugs in each successive build this is what xda is we all work together to make our devices better and better
Stop moaning, HTC have just started rolling out ICS in certain regions, what about other Android manufacturers? Where's LG, where's Motorola? Where are their ICS leaks etc etc applies to all.
Each manufacturer has their own overlay on top of ICS this takes time and testing to get it right, it's a few months late oh well at least 2.3.6 is running fine though, there's no need for Samsung to update our phones to ICS they're a business do you think they care how long we have to wait no, they'd rather make money and focus on getting ICS running on their next flagship model then current flagship.
We will get it just a matter of when, if you don't like it get a Nexus, also made by Samsung.
All these posts bashing Samsung its just all the tech blogs making things worse!
If you dont like it get an iPhone or better yet a symbian device!
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lol, u mad
I would like the OP to tell me one thing that he/she can do on ICS that they can't do on gingerbread. And make it a decent example and not something like "monitor data usage" which I agree is nice to be built in but nothing that can't be done already with an app.
The way this post has been worded with all the "house/foundation" metaphor you would think that the SGS2 doesn't work at all atm and needs ICS to make it functional, which we all know is rubbish.
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@bluefa1con ICS is not coming tomorrow, they went back on their word this morning.
anyway, you're right, and i'm a bit disappointed because Samsung have been best buddy with Google since Google Dev Day 2011, they have access to early build of their OS, they even produced 2 Nexus phones for them, there's a huge meaning behind this, but still, Samsung waited till the last moment to start working on their flagship device, first leaked build started coming out after official ics aosp release, and their work is progressing very slowly, but, like someone before me said, it's just a phone, i just love playing around with it, and i don't mind waiting till april/may for a stable rom, all i want from them are kernel sources.
I completly agree with OP-post.
My rage is simple, I mean, We're the owners of the fastest and best device in 2011 and we still didnt even had a actual DATE. The only thing, that was said: "Q1 2012". If I remember correctly, they said that Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Note will have the update at Q1.
But let me tell you this, if they're still delaying date, and giving wrong info at their official(!) website, it seems that SGS2 ICS is not ready or something, that means that Galaxy Note is even out of place, probably, it will have the update somewhere at Q2 of 2012. It's totally unacceptable from such big and sucessful company as Samsung. We can't trust them, simply, they say one thing, tomorrow it will be "wrong" or something.
Samsung making great devices, and I love them, but the thing as they communicate with their customers, with their community - is just unacceptable. They won so much awards for their phone, and they, still, can't release their update to us.
Next time, i'll go to pure Google Phone.
Sorry for my poor English.
It is simple..they just dont respect us..hope there will be day they pay for this..
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I completly agree with OP-post.
My rage is simple, I mean, We're the owners of the fastest and best device in 2011 and we still didnt even had a actual DATE. The only thing, that was said: "Q1 2012". If I remember correctly, they said that Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Note will have the update at Q1.
But let me tell you this, if they're still delaying date, and giving wrong info at their official(!) website, it seems that SGS2 ICS is not ready or something, that means that Galaxy Note is even out of place, probably, it will have the update somewhere at Q2 of 2012. It's totally unacceptable from such big and sucessful company as Samsung. We can't trust them, simply, they say one thing, tomorrow it will be "wrong" or something.
Samsung making great devices, and I love them, but the thing as they communicate with their customers, with their community - is just unacceptable. They won so much awards for their phone, and they, still, can't release their update to us.
Next time, i'll go to pure Google Phone.
Sorry for my poor English.
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Same here mate..Those guys who have the GNEX are having the last laugh now. They even got a HTC sense 4.0 port as well those lucky bastards....I am gonna hold off till that release instead of going for the s3
About a year ago HTC decide to close their phones. That's why i decide to change to Samsung. And with me a lot of other HTC users. You are wright. This is not the way to communicate with your customers. This Samsung phone is my first and last one.
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Think about it this way a large proportion of users don't give a crap about what firmware is running on their phone as long as it works, us geeks or enthusiasts may give a crap, but my sister has got an S2, several other work colleagues have them to and none of them even know about custom roms and such let alone an update to ICS so to the mass it's not a major priority in having the latest or greatest firmware as long as they can use their phones that's what they care about.
Several work colleagues are still on the original firmware and I've told them to update but they don't care or don't have the technological ability to do so.
There is a higher percentage of normal users compared to us at XDA who make a minority.
And for those who say this will be their last Samsung device good for you, go buy a Nexus oh wait that's made by Samsung as well! I'll continue to enjoy my device running on gingerbread which works beautifully also knowing the fact it's still the best phone available currently apart from the Note which I consider a niche and better than the s2.
If you want aosp buy a Nexus otherwise deal with the fact that it takes longer to get an update. It's the way it is on Android, look at the other manufacturers as well its common. That's the problem with an open source system compared to iOS where there are a selected few devices so updates are quicker to roll out on the product lines.
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So what is next after ics update? There are going to be complaints that ics is bad, its touch wiz bla bla bla.
Ics is not going to turn your phone into super powered alien or going to give you 10 days backup. Why can't you people just wait.
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So what is next after ics update? There are going to be complaints that ics is bad, its touch wiz bla bla bla.
Ics is not going to turn your phone into super powered alien or going to give you 10 days backup. Why can't you people just wait.
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Why does Touchwiz still look the same, along those lines.... Why is it still green, etc etc.
TouchWiz 5 will be for the next flagship.
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I like GB.
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You do know Samsung don't have to release an update right?
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As in a contractual obligation? No indeed, I know that. But aparently (look around here on XDA) it is expected. Dissapoint customers too long, and you will be ditched for the one who doesn't.
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Next time get a Nexus device, any other flavoured Android build takes time for adaptation and I'll rather they did a good job than rush a half baked build.
Your rant suggests you lack a fundamental understanding of the process.
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Yeah, because getting a Nexus device will get you there quicker Most Nexus S users are still waiting on their update to ICS since updating was stopped at dec 20th.
And somewhere in my post I did mention myself that I lack fundamental understanding of the process of building firmware for handsets, thanks for repeating that to me. That doesn't mean I'm unable to compare this process to other processes and draw conclusions as a customer.
Updating on Android is slow and ceases quickly (this will probably be the last major update for the SGS2 already), so when developing stuff for Android you need to take at least 5 different versions of the OS into concideration because the market shares of the versions are very fragmented. A nuisance for developers, and also for users stuck on Froyo for example who cannot install some app because the developer chose to only build it for 2.3+ to save some time and money.
If you guys dont care that much, why you're replaying to this kind of threads?
The only thing I am talking about, is lack of communication between customer and Samsung. How the hell they can give fresh news about ICS update on their official website, and then, immidiatly, deleting it, and telling in twitter something about "wrong date". How cool is that?
They can at least say one time 100% date, but they're just keep all in secret, that's not the good way how they should treat to custumers of best device in 2011.
I'm still shocked how Galaxy Note users keep waiting for it, one leak, no news, no everything. Obviously, Sammy didnt release ICS for them in March, then, their saying about "Galaxy Note & Galaxy S2 ICS in Q1 2012" is wrong.
Ok what if google can get updates out like apple does to its devices. Notice sprint does not even have ics yet for the nexus s since sprint is launching the galery nexus soon so I bet sprint just only,let a few phone get the ics update as a beta if you will as then user would not buy the newer ics phone. So if google charged a small update fee provided your phone meets the requirements. Or why does google even allow all these add ons like sense and touchwiz. Why not have the pure google non skinned version for like a few dollars and if you want the custom sense then wait for htc samsung to release it a year later.... cough cough fryo.... cough cough gingerbread....
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Well to answer your question, nope, since we got amazing devs here to satisfy our quench for updating XD
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Well to answer your question, nope, since we got amazing devs here to satisfy our quench for updating XD
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True for people who are rooted but what about the average non xda type of user who waits for offical ota?
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Defiantly not, why should we? You don't pay Apple for updates.
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True for people who are rooted but what about the average non xda type of user who waits for offical ota?
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those average non xda people dont even know root or the latest software means it more of a phone to call and text and browse internet. they dont care if their phone has the latest and greatest updates.
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Defiantly not, why should we? You don't pay Apple for updates.
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You buy the phone from apple, and they also make the software. We buy the phone from Samsung, and Google makes the software. Big difference. You seriously wouldn't shell out like 5 dollars to get ICS like 4 months ago, fully working and smooth? Gonna call bs on that.
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Defiantly not, why should we? You don't pay Apple for updates.
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I don't pay Apple for anyting. Lol
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mark8503 said:
Defiantly not, why should we? You don't pay Apple for updates.
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Sure you do its called OS/X.... which is i-os is somewhat based on...
muyoso said:
You buy the phone from apple, and they also make the software. We buy the phone from Samsung, and Google makes the software. Big difference. You seriously wouldn't shell out like 5 dollars to get ICS like 4 months ago, fully working and smooth? Gonna call bs on that.
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Well i disagree on that one as Google does also makes phones called the Nexus and the Motorola Mobility line as Google no owns Moto Mobility. And from what i understand its the stuff like touchwiz and sense that make it harder to get the updates a quickly since the carriers must test everything for like 90 days or more and if it fails then they start the process from the beginning.
I say google should only have one uniform look to android like how apple does with i-os. (i however do not like apple as too expensive for the rich people) If you want a custom launcher like go you can download it but it would not be apart of any official rom from the maker / carrier.
thomasskull666 said:
I don't pay Apple for anyting. Lol
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Lol I don't either. Meaning we don't buy it. PERIOD!!!!
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Sure you do its called OS/X.... which is i-os is somewhat based on...
Well i disagree on that one as Google does also makes phones called the Nexus and the Motorola Mobility line as Google no owns Moto Mobility. And from what i understand its the stuff like touchwiz and sense that make it harder to get the updates a quickly since the carriers must test everything for like 90 days or more and if it fails then they start the process from the beginning.
I say google should only have one uniform look to android like how apple does with i-os. (i however do not like apple as too expensive for the rich people) If you want a custom launcher like go you can download it but it would not be apart of any official rom from the maker / carrier.
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i have to say; it looks like youve just taken random sentences and thrown them together here.
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i have to say; it looks like youve just taken random sentences and thrown them together here.
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+1
And for real there is a Galery Nexus coming soon? I will compare it with the Galaxy Nexus to check which one is better.
And back to the thread. I won't pay, but there is people which pay to others for root their phones, so I think they will pay.
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And for real there is a Galery Nexus coming soon? I will compare it with the Galaxy Nexus to check which one is better.
And back to the thread. I won't pay, but there is people which pay to others for root their phones, so I think they will pay.
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i would pay for official updates if it means they come as soon as google releases them. perhaps google should not release any updates until all carriers and manufacturer are ready to push them to all phones that meet the requirements. Do what microsoft does and they just push them to all phones at the same time so the carriers dont have a say in the matter... sort of like windows update on the pc. just check for the update and then install... carriers and manufacturer have too much power to decide who gets what...
I'd love to have mine done in a timely manor. I hear it's nice this time of year!
NO way wouldn't pay! Plus its totally unrealistic considering the different devices and bloatware! Apple has one device line to update! But don't forget Apple owns the software! You get caught messing with it they "Kill" your phone!
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NO way wouldn't pay! Plus its totally unrealistic considering the different devices and bloatware! Apple has one device line to update! But don't forget Apple owns the software! You get caught messing with it they "Kill" your phone!
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well how does microsoft do it then with windows phone 7 and with the pc's? As long as if the phones meet the minimum requirements then good to go. This would work simply because it would get rid of the custom interfaces from the makers like htc sense or samsung touchwiz. If you want those they would only be available as a download apk from the market like how go launcher and adw desktop are. Google needs to take a stand on the custom overlays and how they devalue android with lack of updates as the makers think somehow that sense or touchwiz add somesort of value to the phone when in fact it does not. android 4 is perfect interface and with android 2.x and 3.x its good enough or download some aftermarket one like go launcher. Otherwise i would pay for updates like how i do on my laptop. they can also make money off the updates as well like $25 per phone again as long as it meets the requirements. and now google owns motorola mobility so google is now just like appple. So goolge / Moto Mobility does control the hardware and software
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well how does microsoft do it then with windows phone 7 and with the pc's? As long as if the phones meet the minimum requirements then good to go. This would work simply because it would get rid of the custom interfaces from the makers like htc sense or samsung touchwiz. If you want those they would only be available as a download apk from the market like how go launcher and adw desktop are. Google needs to take a stand on the custom overlays and how they devalue android with lack of updates as the makers think somehow that sense or touchwiz add somesort of value to the phone when in fact it does not. android 4 is perfect interface and with android 2.x and 3.x its good enough or download some aftermarket one like go launcher. Otherwise i would pay for updates like how i do on my laptop. they can also make money off the updates as well like $25 per phone again as long as it meets the requirements. and now google owns motorola mobility so google is now just like appple. So goolge / Moto Mobility does control the hardware and software
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who is to say that custom launchers are devaluing android? if anything, they bring more to the table. i think a lot of the people here would say that they prefer some of the asthetics and options that touchwiz includes. i cant speak to sense or motoblur as i havent used them.
No. Just like I would not pay extra for gas to have someone else come out and pump it for me. In both cases we already pay too much, for gas, for the phones, service and insurance. If all phones were free I would think about it. But you pay more for a better phone, it damn well better be updated in a reasonable timely manner.
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The manufacturer should be providing timely updates as part of buying the phone. We should expect new versions of the OS until at least the EOL and then bugfixes and security updates for another two years past that as a minimum.
Now that we're done with fantasy land, I wouldn't mind paying a nominal charge for a version update provided that they have a stable bug-free version of the current OS. IMHO Samsung never got there with the Epic.
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True for people who are rooted but what about the average non xda type of user who waits for offical ota?
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The average non-xda user wouldn't know what 'stock' android is, and frankly, they probably wouldn't be impressed with it for this reason right here
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who is to say that custom launchers are devaluing android? if anything, they bring more to the table. i think a lot of the people here would say that they prefer some of the asthetics and options that touchwiz includes. i cant speak to sense or motoblur as i havent used them.
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I haven't used Sense, but from my limited experience, Blur is horrid. TW smokes it by a mile. I enjoyed some of the features of Touchwiz, no joke.
And OP, while Google may now own Motorola Mobility, it doesn't mean they own all the hardware. It just means they kind of do with Motorola. They still don't with Samsung, HTC, LG, Sony, etc etc etc.
I'm still a firm believer the biggest reason Google bought Moto was for the patents, not to try and complete with Apple by owning both hardware/software.
EDIT: For the record, I think the number one way to go about the issue is this: all android phones, stock, come with their own skin out of the box by default. However, the user has the ability to go with stock Android upon bootup or something like that. Maybe a tutorial that guides users stating what that skin brings to the table. Maybe something saying here's what you'll have with the skin vs without it, and list off apps and features associated with it.
This way, us android-heads can get any phone we want with stock android, and the average user still has the same options as today.
I wanted to put something of worth within this thread as a conversation topic, but it has become rather vexing trying to pick apart the compilation of sentences that the OP's has been using lol, though me saying I mean no offense would not help I don't think heh.
In regards to paying for an upgrade, it does occur in iOS when the next incremental upgrades come to the iPod Touch Line, for iPhone's a user is guaranteed that update due to being on a monthly plan with their device unless that device is gradually replaced in which case it goes no further upgrade wise as there is a new iteration close to it in price and internal size, if iPad's are affected in the same way being on carrier/off carrier I'm unaware, I also haven't upgraded my iPod Touch in a long while either to test the validity of that, so I'm open to correction. Though iOS has been on 5.x for a bit anyways.
In this case.
Android lacks something iOS does in this case, uniformity, which is how Apple portrays their control over their platform and why it's so popular and simple to use, they limit what can be used and what is used and set a basis forward to keep compatibility in the long run. The Nexus Line is controlled by Google and their partner in each step of the way, more by Google however because they essentially get to pick and choose what they want which works well in the whole grand scheme of things, which means timely updates are to come. They don't have control over LG, HTC, Sony, or Samsung for that matter in their other endeavors in Android and what "crap"(lack of more proper word) that's proprietary they decide to put within the platform for the sake of bragging rights, they're their own entities which for the most part have added to the overall disconnection of Android across the board. Buying out that specific aspect of Motorola was a play for patents to avoid lawsuit not a play for control.
Saying you'd pay money for an update to Android on your phone becomes problematic, in our case, ICS. If you paid $10 because you to have the update when it came out, in the following months it'd be very likely it'd have problems, and you'd be the prime benefactor of said problems. You paid $10 for an update, now what about the update to address that issue? Or the update following that update to address the following issues? Or what if you paid for an update and never got an update in the long run, just for the sake of not having one?
Would those be paid as well? I'm only throwing forth baseless scenarios, because this arrives to the entitlement aspect of things. Paying to get an update makes you entitled to said update, when a company can G.A.F less about an older piece of hardware having support when they've devices in their minds which are twice as good as last years model. I understand where you're going with this thread but, paying for your update in software wouldn't make the fact that your phone is aging any better, nor would it make Android any more uniform, it'd only make it more annoying of a platform due to it. It's not a better alternative than just waiting it out on what you're currently using until you can upgrade your line to something new. Spending more money to have your phone officially supported is rather foolish. In my opinion though.
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And essentially the Epic isn't EOL/EOS. It just happens to be on it's last legs. So whether it's last update is stable or not won't matter at that point.