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Does anybody have any clues why we haven't seen any new froyo firmwares so far? (we had a wave of jp1 to jp3 and then silence)
Is it because
a. Such new firmwares exist but are not leaked anymore (samsung detected the leak) or
b. Such new firmwares do not exist in the sense that they are still being developed and not even nightly builds exist? (which I doubt).
I would have expected Samsung to have given something to its beta testers to play with..
Just a thought..
There were a lot of tweets about your question.
Sadly, the correct answer is A.
Here is the latest:
http://twitter.com/SamsungFirmware/status/21474133152
It's probably more complicated (and I have a theory).
Firstly, the firmware's were probably leaked because Samsung got sick of the people who kept running around saying they were liars and were simply telling people what they wanted to hear. So, they possibly released JP# themselves. It's also possible a carrier requested them for internal testing with Froyo, and they were leaked by the carrier (after all, carriers also want to work on their own customisations, and leakers get an adrenaline rush).
Secondly, having hung around the Songbird project before, Songbird stopped releasing early betas because people are morons. People would post duplicates of known bugs dozens of times wasting resources, and would make ridiculous assumptions based on unfinished code.. It's probable that many people are returning their phones in part because they don't see evidence of change in leaked firmwares. Even now, despite saying they are still working on the GPS fixes, there are a few people running around screaming "it wont get fixed, because Samsung are only making minor changes in leaked firmware".
Then, it's also possible the tree is too broken at the moment to release to anyone, some of the programmers are on leave (it isn't impossible to believe they were working 24/7 up to the launch date of the phone), or they are working on GPS problems and such, which are so complex that they need to be merged in one shot.
Anyway, we can't know for sure, but its a good thing actually if Samsung don't release every single build they compile..
Been many a yore since I've been on Android consistently, been out-of-the-loop since the earliest days.
Just curious, is it technically possible to get a "Nexus-like" experience on a device like the Note 4 nowadays?
I'm attracted by all the sw/service benefits of a Nexus device, but I really love the hw of the Note 4*...
Is it possible to have "the best of both worlds" or close? I realise it's not an option so early in the device's life-cycle, but later perhaps?
Thank-you.
*Also considering the Note Edge (more research needed), but not 100% sold on it yet, unless someone can make a compelling case
jalyst said:
Been many a yore since I've been on Android consistently, been out-of-the-loop since the earliest days.
Just curious, is it technically possible to get a "Nexus-like" experience on a device like the Note 4 nowadays?
I'm attracted by all the sw/service benefits of a Nexus device, but I really love the hw of the Note 4*...
Is it possible to have "the best of both worlds" or close? I realise it's not an option so early in the device's life-cycle, but later perhaps?
Thank-you.
*Also considering the Note Edge (more research needed), but not 100% sold on it yet, unless someone can make a compelling case
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What you want is a rom based on AOSP (like cyanogenmod). It has the advantage of being nearly stock android with updates nearly as fast as google can push them out. It is much much quicker than carrier updates. Plus, AOSP is community/google supported so you can count on updates long after the carriers stop supporting your phone. This support is what allows kitkat to run on a galaxy s2 or a barnes and noble nook. lol.
So the catch to all this is you MUST have an unlocked bootloader. ATT and verizon are out because they have locked their bootloader.
On the note 3, people who had the tmobile note 3 (unlocked bootloader) had kitkat months and months before the ATT touchwiz kitkat was pushed by ATT.
But I'm not worried all that much about carriers not supporting my phone...
I usually buy unbranded/unlocked (i.e. outright: it makes more sense in my country -not USA), I imagine the same -or similar- applies to ODM/OEM's?
How far out are they (AOSP-based ROMS like CM) exactly from being stock Android?*
Are there many major differences, or only some minor ones, what are they exactly?
Thank-you/goodnight, bed time, 2am!
*i.e. what we have on Nexus devices
^Anyone? Thank-you!
P.S.
How do we delete posts, it says "EDIT/DELETE" but I can't find delete anywhere!?
jalyst said:
How far out are they (AOSP-based ROMS like CM) exactly from being stock Android?*
Are there many major differences, or only some minor ones, what are they exactly?
Thank-you/goodnight, bed time, 2am!
*i.e. what we have on Nexus devices
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It's as close as you can get, almost to the point of being the same. I honestly can't think of any major differences. My wife went from CM to a nexus 5 and she new exactly where everything was. My nexus 7 interface looks like my cm11 nook tablets.
Apart from the UX though, what are all the major (or minor) services/functionalities you lose?*
I mean mostly compared to stock Android that's found on the latest Nexus devices, but I guess also compared to Samsung's spin.
Also, you missed this post...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/stock-android-t2882646/post55566887
Finally, any idea how to delete posts?
Cheers mate!
*Given that mircury isn't sure on this point, can someone else please have a crack.
The main issues with going to AOSP are the inferior camera app and the lack of multiwindow support. With the big Volantis tablet coming out soon, Google may finally bake some multiwindow support into "L", and maybe devs can use the RAW access APIs to fix the camera, but I wouldn't expect miracles out of the box.
If you do want AOSP, you'll probably want to get a Qualcomm-based Note instead of an Exynos one - for various reasons a lot of the dev goes quicker on the Qualcomm platform. Not sure which will be the standard version in your country.
s44 said:
The main issues with going to AOSP are the inferior camera app and the lack of multiwindow support. With the big Volantis tablet coming out soon, Google may finally bake some multiwindow support into "L", and maybe devs can use the RAW access APIs to fix the camera, but I wouldn't expect miracles out of the box.
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That's literally it? That's nothing if that's all there is!?!
I'm used to hanging out mostly on quite esoteric/hack-ish platforms, so if that's all I have to deal with, "no biggy".
If you do want AOSP, you'll probably want to get a Qualcomm-based Note instead of an Exynos one - for various reasons a lot of the dev goes quicker on the Qualcomm platform. Not sure which will be the standard version in your country.
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Yeah I suspected that might be the case, I haven't checked that yet, I'm in Australasia/Oceania, Australia specifically.
I hope I've lucked out there, IIRC the international version (i.e. not local/telco-centric) usually is Qualcomm isn't it?
And this post???
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/stock-android-t2882646/post55566887
Also, anyone know how to delete posts?
Thank-you.
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*BUMP* @ anyone
TY/GN
No need to bump your post 3 times. I would suggest you go on youtube and watch some video reviews. You will find that it is very much nexus like with no features lost.
Pretty sure you'll lose any proprietary stuff. Like the heartrate sensor...etc...especially the special uses for the S-Pen.
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Pretty sure you'll lose any proprietary stuff. Like the heartrate sensor...etc...especially the special uses for the S-Pen.
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He's talking about the difference between stock android on a nexus device and aosp. The stock rom from Samsung is a totally different ballgame.
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No need to bump your post 3 times.
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Bumped twice, both with healthy time gaps. Going to YT won’t get this addressed:
jalyst said:
But I'm not worried all that much about carriers not supporting my phone...
I usually buy unbranded/unlocked (i.e. outright: it makes more sense in my country -not USA), I imagine the same -or similar- applies to ODM/OEM's?
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Or this…
jalyst said:
How do we delete posts, it says "EDIT/DELETE" but I can't find delete anywhere!?
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^Anyone? Thank-you!
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You forgot this one in your list.
Well, that was more than day earlier, but aside from that, able to address the 2 points above?
SiNJiN76 said:
Pretty sure you'll lose any proprietary stuff. Like the heartrate sensor...etc...especially the special uses for the S-Pen.
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Is that the only notable proprietary stuff that will go?
And is it unlikely that the AOSP community will eventually add support for such things?
mircury said:
He's talking about the difference between stock android on a nexus device and aosp. The stock rom from Samsung is a totally different ballgame.
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No I'm talking about all 3, i.e...
If I switch to AOSP (CM etc) what features will be missing* compared to: (1) stock on Nexus devices, & (2) stock Android for the Note 4.
Although I'm mostly interested in the former...
As I can easily work out the latter once (if) I have a Note 4, simply by using Samsung's flavour of Android for a while.
*& what bugs will I encounter
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Well, that was more than day earlier, but aside from that, able to address the 2 points above?
No I'm talking about all 3, i.e...
If I'm to switch to AOSP what features will I be missing* compared to stock on Nexus devices, & stock Android for the Note 4.
Although I'm mostly interested in the former...
As I can easily work out the latter once (if) I have a Note 4, simply by using Samsung's flavour of Android for a while.
*& what bugs will I encounter
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So we've basically established in previous posts that AOSP = Nexus features wise. No need to hash that out again.
Compared to Samsung's stock rom there is a TON of stuff and even more stuff when compared to Samsung's stock rom after each carrier has had it's way with it.
1. Multi windows
2. all the Spen features (Some spen features can be added back. See thread in note 3 forum.)
3. Tmobile wifi calling
4. Touchwiz
5. Different Notification pull down.
6. Different settings menus.
7. Carrier Bloatware
8. 4K recording not available in stock AOSP. Some have used Oneplus camera app. (Camera app not as good as Samsung's stock)
9. HDMI out not working.
10. NFC not working on some builds.
11. All the Samsung specific apps like milk music and SBeam.
12. Tethering limitations on the Carrier version stock (This is a big one)
I'll add more as I think of them...
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So we've basically established in previous posts that AOSP = Nexus features wise. No need to hash that out again.
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But have we really? Not so sure about that. What's been put forward so far doesn't seem iron-clad conclusive.
Compared to Samsung's stock rom there is a TON of stuff, and even more stuff when compared to Samsung's stock rom after each carrier has had it's way with it.
1. Multi windows
2. all the Spen features
3. Tmobile wifi calling
4. Touchwiz
5. Different Notification pull down.
6. Different settings menus.
7. Carrier Bloatware
8. 4K recording not available (Camera app not as good as Samsung's stock)
9. HDMI out not working.
10. NFC not working on some builds.
11. All the Samsung specific apps like milk music and SBeam.
12. Tethering limitations on the Carrier version stock (This is a big one)
I'll add more as I think of them...
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Cheers buddy...
Don't care about what carriers may or may not add, I'll most likely be getting one that isn't carrier-based.
Even if I do get one from a carrier it won't be a US-based one, it'll most likely be from Telstra, & IME it never adds anything of value.
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But have we really? Not so sure about that. What's been put forward so far doesn't seem iron-clad conclusive.
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I thought we did. lol. I don't know how much clearer we can get. Google controls AOSP. It is stock android through and through. Go read up on what AOSP is and then read what CM is.
I'm thinking about buying the Edge. Mostly because of the battery. And also because the specs suck for most other phones.
I know all the good stuff from reviews and forums but not so much about what sucks. These things I know of and I don't quite like them:
- No AOSP/CM (yet?)
- Battery not removable
- Freaking expensive
- knox
What else could become a problem in the future? From my experience at some point someone says something like "Samsung won't release code for camera/bluetooth/blah therefore feature x will never work properly". Did anything change in this area? Did it get better/worse? Do all apps work properly? Xposed? BetterBatteryStats? Stuff like that?
What other problems are there where noone knows whether it can be solved? Any known hardware issues? What else do you not like about S7 Edge?
So, OnePlus is going to release a new phone! People are excited and have forgotten about everything bad that happen with the previous devices. The PR machine started publishing "amazing" photos from the 5T camera (they did the same with the not-that-good OP5) and everyone is ready to open their wallets.
I just wanted to remind everyone about OnePlus privacy and security "mistakes", something that is usually ignored by the fancy YouTube reviewers and android related websites. This week we have a new security issue:
OnePlus Accidentally Pre-Installed an App that acts as a Backdoor to Root Access
Last month we learned that OxygenOS is Allegedly Data-mining Personally Identifiable Information for Analytics... And back in February someone discovered a bootloader issue that worked as a backdoor.
These days we use our phones for more than simple voice calls. We use apps that have access to important parts of our lives (banking, social networks, IoT, etc) and store a lot of information on our phones.
Security is important and it should be taken into consideration when buying a new phone.
I think most people here go out of their way to unlock their bootloader and root anyways.
So I'm pretty sure this topic in general here is pointless.
Nonetheless it is a valid point, though its not that meaningful here.
If you are really worried about security you'd go with a blackberry out a pixel
@Expliciate What I've seen with the 3/3T is that while many users use custom ROMs and are not affected by OOS issues, others just unlock their bootloader and use root, but stay on stock OOS or OOS beta.
I agree with you... the people that should be warned about these issues will not read this thread. Anyway, if we are aware of the problem maybe we will think twice before buying, suggesting or using Oneplus hardware or software.
@worldsoutro You don't have to be "really worried" about security to understand that something is wrong when people keep finding security holes on Oneplus software.
Three points keep me from jumping on board
No new snapdragon
Fingerprint sensor on the back
And finally ...what about jelly?
My two cents
I am wondering if anyone knows about any vulnerabilities/backdoors in the phone, outside of the Oxygen OS, such as in the aboot, sbl, etc.
Oxygen OS can be done away with, albeit by the power users.
This kind of app must be preinstalled on all devices by Google !!
Without root Android phone is useless for me, I would better to use nokia 3310 instead than.
I hope oneplus will rewrite this app and keep it for all generation of their phones.
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You don't have to be "really worried" about security to understand that something is wrong when people keep finding security holes on Oneplus software.
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I actually prefer people finding/reporting bugs with OnePlus caring for resolving the mentioned issues to people not finding/reporting bugs and/or a company which ignores them.
x111 said:
This kind of app must be preinstalled on all devices by Google !!
Without root Android phone is useless for me, I would better to use nokia 3310 instead than.
I hope oneplus will rewrite this app and keep it for all generation of their phones.
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My phone is rooted, it's one of the first things I do when I buy a new phone, but let's not turn another security fu** up into a good thing.
Oneplus devices are not just for "nerds" anymore. In the UK, for example, a network (O2) sell their phones just like they sell iPhones and Galaxys. They advertise on newspapers, trains, etc. Normal users, that use their phones for many things, don't know what TWRP or a custom ROM is. This is an issue.
By the way, the guy who found this app keeps posting new stuff on twitter: https://twitter.com/fs0c131y/status/930773795656396801
Rosa Elefant said:
I actually prefer people finding/reporting bugs with OnePlus caring for resolving the mentioned issues to people not finding/reporting bugs and/or a company which ignores them.
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And I agree, no software is bug free or completely secure and we all benefit when bugs are found and fixed.
The problem here is that some of these issues should never be there in the first place. Looking at the security holes from the past 2 years, it's clear to me that software is one of OnePlus weak points. For example, the bootloader problem that was fixed earlier this year was an amateur mistake... either that or they don't even know it could be an issue.
And it's not like people are not trying to find issues on Google's new Pixel or on Samsung's flagships... there's even a big market for that! But it's harder to find issues because these companies have people that know what they are doing.
I think something is wrong when using an aftermarket ROM is safer than using OxygenOS. We should be aware of these issues when buying something from them.
S4turno said:
And I agree, no software is bug free or completely secure and we all benefit when bugs are found and fixed.
The problem here is that some of these issues should never be there in the first place. Looking at the security holes from the past 2 years, it's clear to me that software is one of OnePlus weak points. For example, the bootloader problem that was fixed earlier this year was an amateur mistake... either that or they don't even know it could be an issue.
And it's not like people are not trying to find issues on Google's new Pixel or on Samsung's flagships... there's even a big market for that! But it's harder to find issues because these companies have people that know what they are doing.
I think something is wrong when using an aftermarket ROM is safer than using OxygenOS. We should be aware of these issues when buying something from them.
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While I can see a use for this you have to keep something in mind. All devices sold from China based companies will always have something like this. Mainly die to the laws requiring monitoring software to be installed. This comes from their right to monitor everything their citzens do on line and with their mobile devices. It is part of the reason most China OEM are not allowed in places with high security needs.
Actually....I think Oxygen OS is ONEPLUS's biggest differentiator.
And it's excellent.
It's fast, it's smooth, no-one does updates better.
They will have to double down on security but nobody does software like ONEPLUS.
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It's fast, it's smooth, no-one does updates better.
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"Fast and smooth" are two of the major gains of Android 7. Even my old(ish) LG is still adequately fast and smooth. :good:
kolembo said:
Actually....I think Oxygen OS is ONEPLUS's biggest differentiator.
And it's excellent.
It's fast, it's smooth, no-one does updates better.
They will have to double down on security but nobody does software like ONEPLUS.
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That is open for debate. I personally think it is one of the worst available. If you really think it is fast and fluid you should try an aosp based rom.
How do the Slim ROMs perform on OnePlus?
zelendel said:
While I can see a use for this you have to keep something in mind. All devices sold from China based companies will always have something like this. Mainly die to the laws requiring monitoring software to be installed. This comes from their right to monitor everything their citzens do on line and with their mobile devices. It is part of the reason most China OEM are not allowed in places with high security needs.
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So, all these issues are related to OOS. Is it likely to be present in custom ROMs too as they too use kernel codes released by Oneplus? Thinking of buying OP 5T.
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So, all these issues are related to OOS. Is it likely to be present in custom ROMs too as they too use kernel codes released by Oneplus? Thinking of buying OP 5T.
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Not all issues are OS related. For example, the bootloader issue from Feb 2017 couldn't be fixed with a custom ROM.
Things like analytics and shady apps are not present on very well know custom ROMs not based on OxygenOS (LineageOS, OmniROM, Paranoid Android, etc), but keep in mind that the camera quality will never be as good as stock.
unos21 said:
So, all these issues are related to OOS. Is it likely to be present in custom ROMs too as they too use kernel codes released by Oneplus? Thinking of buying OP 5T.
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Yes but most of the code is not kernel related. Very little of it is. It is in the format of "services" and hidden apks like the last one found.
Not gonna lie, I purchased a OnePlus One because of the development community. I usually flash a different ROM straight away.
I bought a OnePlus 5 hoping that would be the same situation. It's not. Don't get me wrong, it's not bad, but it's not like my Nexus phone.
The OnePlus 5T? My understanding is that until the 21st of November, there is a media embargo. After that, there will be more information about the device.
I'll make a decision after that.
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My understanding is that until the 21st of November, there is a media embargo.
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Depends on how usual the reviewer models are.
Not trying to offend anyone, but just genuinely curious as to why the S9 has LineageOS and RR but not the S8? Aren't they more or less the same devices? Sorry if I offended anyone.?
The S9 ships with project Treble so drivers are not an issue. The S8 however does not and will not get it so it's a pain to get stuff working properly.
It might be pain but some people got money :v
Still, is there any work being done with the S8 such that a Treble-based HAL could be built without Samsung's assistance? Sounds like it would only need to happen once this time instead of requiring a rework for each successive AOSP update as it has in the past.
im gonna get rid of my s8 soon if there is not gonna be any aosp roms made for it,dont want too but samsung roms boring me now lets hope someone makes it soon