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Ice Cream Sandwich HW-acceleration

Do you think Google will make Ice Cream Sandwich even smoother? As far as I can tell, ICS doesn't have FULL GPU acceleration. It's the same with Honeycomb. How come WP7 has 100% fluid in scrolling everywhere in the OS and Google cant even put it in one place?
I have proof:
- The multitasking menu is NO WAY gpu-accelerated
- The browser is much much smoother than Gingerbread, but not fully silky smooth as iOS/WP7
-The Gallery where you swiped images left to right, it's not SILKY SMOOTH like iOS/WP7
-Swiping homescreens when having Live wallpapers
-Android market , I have never seen something this bad EVER
ICS is a great improvement in smoothness, but there are still very very small lagg here and there. I wonder if Google will put on a full GPU-Acceleration in the final build of ICS?
I love Android and I love my galaxy S, I would never support Microsoft/Apple, but I'm just confused what the problem is with Google: It's the same with their Chrome browser, there's GPU-acceleration but not fully. Do you understand the pattern here?
And I'm really bothered, because Galaxy Nexus is a nexus device and it's supposed to be very optimized with the hardware.

Gingerbread is rather laggy to me, but froyo 2.2.1 was extremely smooth with no lags at all. It's all due to ram consumption.

how do you know that there isn't "full" GPU acceleration? You don't even seem to understand what that means
ICS isn't out yet anyway so how can you say it's not smooth?

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how do you know that there isn't "full" GPU acceleration? You don't even seem to understand what that means
ICS isn't out yet anyway so how can you say it's not smooth?
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Exactly, Google are saying that it will be fully accelerated. What kind of proof do you got??

If what you have tried is the i9000 with the ported SDK ICS ROM, I doubt it is very optimized and fully taking advantage of the GPU.
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ICS is fully hardware accellerated, its in the documentation and it is a system hardware requirement to be able use the os.
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Well, I guess being hardware-accelerated doesn't necessarily mean it was implemented well-enough to offer silky smooth performance.
I believe Google implemented it in an higher-abstraction level, but it's not responsible for the drivers made by the phone manufacturer, so, for instance, if the GPU driver isn't optimized well enough, it would reflect on poor hardware acceleration, right?
Edit: In the Windows Phone case, Microsoft only uses SnapDragon SoC and Adreno GPU, so they might have optimized the code to take full advantage of that specific architecture.
I think Android implementation is probably a more generic one, not optimized specifically for some kind of SoC, but generic enough to run on different CPU/GPU combos.

And Androis is sometimes not smooth because you scroll in a list where certain items must still be processed, like icons fetched, a list sorted, mails fetched, and so on.
Hardware acceleration will not change that. A longer load time could mean a non choppy list...

Try miui, just as smooth as ios or even better. Especially with glitch kernel. Opens apps way faster too.
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If you are talking about the sgs ics sdk port, then it is definitely not hardware accelerated. It is using software emulation because no ics gpu driver exists yet because the source code isn't available.
People need to read more before making stupid posts about alpha/demo/dev software - but on xda I guess that is just too much to ask.
Anyway, my sgs cm7 is smoother then an iphone.
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yeah, till they release the AOSP 4.0 code i doubt you will be able to test HW accelerated android, unless you get a galaxy nexus

I don't think so. I had so much problems with cm7 because of the stupid ram management. Tryed any combination that i knew but never managed to get smooth multitasking at all!
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In addition to decent HW acceleration, the main reason (AFAIK) that WP7.x doesn't lag is simple scheduling.
The Metro UI thread(s) have complete priority over any running 3rd party app all the time. No other sw can slow Metro UI to crawl, the scheduler will just slow those other apps accordingly instead.
Changing the scheduler priority for the UI thread(s) in Android has probably turned out to be slightly more complicated for Google, because in theory it's such an obvious change that they should have implemented it properly already at Android 2.0.
But they haven't and it shows.
I can easily lag my Galaxy S so that basic UI launcher actions take 4+ seconds to complete after a button has been pressed. That is roughly 3.8seconds too long.

Will ICS eliminate all the lag with android?

Will it be smooth like the ipad, when ics comes? Ive tried the overcome rom and there is still a bit a jerkiness/lagginess when using the screen capture function, exiting in and out, flipping through pages etc.

No. Get an ipad if smooth scrolling homescreens are the most important feature on a tablet for you.

3.2 will give you that smoothness. i use adw launcher ex and it pretty much fixed any lag. also recommend using spareparts+ to speed up opening window.
doesnt hurt to oc either
if you're not going to contribute then you can just keep ur post to yourself slack04

Everything you're asking can only be answered with speculation and dreams dude. I'm on 3.2 and don't see any of the lag you speak of.

Yes, ICS will bring hardware acceleration to the entire experience, should be a transformation.
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Answering the op question what lag? Sure if you have a slow device running top of the range os you will get lag
But since 3.2 I haven't seen any lag
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I think lag can be caused by many issues. For one, widgets with heavy graphics and constant refreshes can use up a lot of resources. There are also poorly made apps running in the background that may slow things down. I would just keep the homescreen as simple as possible if performance is a concern.

If ICS runs as smooth as it does on the Galaxy Nexus, yes, it will.
We will see it as soon as the first "complete" ROMs pop up, everything else is complete speculation.
3.2 made the tab a lot better, but still not completely lagfree in my opionion. Its response time varies from perfect (browser) to mediocre (app switcher - at least until its open).

Are you running on stock rom? I am running Task650 & Phantoms "In Paris" V5 OC'd to 1.4Gz with ADW launcher and it is pretty darn smooth even on Honeycomb 3.1. It will only get better with the 3.2 update coming in the near future. Check it out if you haven't already done so!

hardware acceleration in ICS improve performence allot , see alpha builds on the single core original galaxy tab 7 and HTC hd2 on youtube and you will see the big improvement in speed even with live wallpapers

Though it is true that ICS will have hardware acceleration, android will always lag at some point, seeing as it is an OS capable of being installed on a wide range of devices, and it can not be fully optimized for 1 device to make it lag-free.

derwinaero said:
Though it is true that ICS will have hardware acceleration, android will always lag at some point, seeing as it is an OS capable of being installed on a wide range of devices, and it can not be fully optimized for 1 device to make it lag-free.
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this is not 100% true , the kernel function is to make the hardware make use of the options in the software ,so that is why each device has its own kernel , thus with good kernel each device can benifit from the hardware acceleration on its way , so existance of (hardware acceleration ) with supported kernel should eliminate lag

Im using the overcome rom, isnt that the best if i want the smoothest experience possible?

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this is not 100% true , the kernel function is to make the hardware make use of the options in the software ,so that is why each device has its own kernel , thus with good kernel each device can benifit from the hardware acceleration on its way , so existance of (hardware acceleration ) with supported kernel should eliminate lag
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But many companies don't bother with a good kernel. They pretty much use "Does it boot? Get it out the door" as a mantra.
The reason iOS is so smooth is because Apple tests devices for months and months to make sure the user experience is great. They put user experience over anything else, even features. I still get terrible lag on 3.2 while using my GT8.9. But hopefully ICS will fix that. But I won't bet money that all the lag will be gone. There's just not much optimization there, and throwing more cores at the software isn't going to fix that.

task650 said:
Everything you're asking can only be answered with speculation and dreams dude. I'm on 3.2 and don't see any of the lag you speak of.
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Same here, because of your ROM! OP, get on Task's ROM. And have a funeral for your tablet lag.

task650 said:
Everything you're asking can only be answered with speculation and dreams dude. I'm on 3.2 and don't see any of the lag you speak of.
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^^What he said...
Running GalaxyTask6.3 rom oc'd to 1.4ghz using adw ex launcher with boosted ics theme and it is SMOOTH as any apple device on the planet!
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Fasty12 said:
Im using the overcome rom, isnt that the best if i want the smoothest experience possible?
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Nope task650 v6.3 is the way to go
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3.2 was a nice upgrade in speed but after using ICS on my galaxy nexus I really can't wait for it to come to the tab 10.1 in one form or another.

The Galaxy Nexus does feel much smoother. Not sure if it's the hardware acceleration or just tighter code, but I'm eager to get ICS on my tab.
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i'm getting lag when flipping page's & application's as well .

New to android And Gnote!

Hello,
Just got my phone yesterday and this is my first android phone i am pretty sure my previous phone Windows phone was a lot lot better at most of the things and performance too!!
some times i see lag in scrolling menus,etc! on a Dual core it was hard to believe but anyways i hope it gets better with ICS soon.
So at the moment can anyone tell me where to get good apps (marketplace sucks to find apps)
and some ways to improve battery usage with keeping phone in push mode?
I would highly appericiate if anyone can give me a clue of good ICS custom ROM build there are so many builds and its highly confusing.

There's only one ICS thread for the Note, and it's on Development. About apps for performance and battery, i suggest applying either custom kernel (AbyssNote's or FM) and using SetCpu or Tegrak for overclock and undervolt. Custom launchers might help too, being Go Launcher and ADW two of the most famous. CPUSpy might help detecting any apps that are unlawfuly sucking juice or strange core behavior.
As a last Note, tough (pun intended) your dual core Android will never be as fluid as your 800mhz WP. That's the price we pay for the ability to customize absolutely everything.
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Amen to that. Viamonte is absolutely right, some of IPhone and window phone users have little idea what a good Android phone can do. Anyway welcome to Android, it's worth the switch.
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Viamonte;21979680
As a last Note said:
why not? Curios.
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why not? Curios.
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No idea, but it isn't. No matter how much you customize and alter your Android, you'll always find instances where it doesn't wake, or lag on scrolling, or screen changing, or whatever. After using a Titan, a N9 and a 4S for extended periods of time, I can easily say that's an Android problem, no matter how good the phone or the software is.
Except ICS, I haven't tried it yet...

Yes no android I've ever used was as fluid as an Iphone sadly.
I used a Desire and an HD on 2.0 and 2.1 and now have the Note on 2.3.

Android 4.0 is really stable, my kid plays games with my phone and he got gb almost everytime reboot twice a day, but ICS haven't even once rebooted in a month. And android 4.0 is really fluid, due to hw-acceleration, but still not 100% fluid i think, maybe because i have unofficially ics on i9000
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Update to the latest GB firmware (LA4?), it will resolve all your lag issues.

Android Lag Argument Nullified
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBTqYvJVHCA
I know, I know quad core, BUT people say ICS makes a world of difference on any device 4 cores or 1!!

Viamonte said:
There's only one ICS thread for the Note, and it's on Development. About apps for performance and battery, i suggest applying either custom kernel (AbyssNote's or FM) and using SetCpu or Tegrak for overclock and undervolt. Custom launchers might help too, being Go Launcher and ADW two of the most famous. CPUSpy might help detecting any apps that are unlawfuly sucking juice or strange core behavior.
As a last Note, tough (pun intended) your dual core Android will never be as fluid as your 800mhz WP. That's the price we pay for the ability to customize absolutely everything.
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Yes i saw that ICS thread but i was little set back to see it isnt stable yet and being stated as it wont get camera till official ICS rom so i am looking at a no camera rom for at least 2 months for sure so cant dive into ICS as of now.
Your reply helps a lot
Was thinking if i can directly go to install any custom rom although i found more than 9 ROMs on the first page and all looked so same but not being good with technical of android i was thinking if you can suggest me a good rom.
I dont care about the theme and visuals at all i need cutting edge performance and battery life thats the only thing needed/
Do let me know if you have any specific rom in mind.

I guess N7000 and your i9000 both are not the same so probably i cant install ICS in GNote (at least not the stable one right?)

Movement Back to GingerBread

So after having been running ICS roms for the past 2 months or so, I decided to switch back to my favorite Gingerbread rom for the hell of it, to see exactly what I'd been giving up for ICS. And WOW, was I blown away. I remember GB was a lot faster than ICS, but geez I did not remember it being this fast. EVERYTHING opens and closes quicker, touch responsiveness is amazing, screens swipe lightning quick, and I'm sorry, even though I did realize ICS improved battery life a little bit from my initial impressions, GB is giving me better battery life than most of the ICS roms I have used. Most importantly to me though, my phone has simply just become more of a joy to use. And less of CHORE. ICS makes texting a pain in the ass. And not only that, but basically doing anything, browsing, having to constantly re-press anything, scrolling.......omg scrolling. Going down your facebook newsfeed is definitely a chore on ICS. Seeing as it goes up a little, half the time you scroll down. But typing is probably the biggest thing for me, since I text a decent amount. I even installed the same GB keyboard I'd used on gingerbread roms (it's a modified stock gb keyboard called "gingerbread keyboard") which I had been able to type so quick and so accuretly with (except for the occasional double letter that the keyboard puts in), but on ICS it was just as inaccurate as any other crap keyboard I'd try out. You just have to type slowwwww, and press hard. Who the hell wants to use their phone like an old person? I sure don't. ICS makes my phone a chore to use.
I'm looking to get some other impressions here, and from both sides (mostly ICS fans, if you don't mind), and just get an overall consensus of what the deal is. I knew I'd missed GB, but I didn't realize it was this much!
Things I'd be missing from ICS: brightness minimum and maximum (having a lower min is really appreciated in my room at night - some later GB roms have this implemented though), the updated Gallery (soo much better on ICS), some features that are nice to have but I don't really change anyway (screen mode, gamma sensitivity, etc.), Chome (LOL jk, chrome sucks **** on mobile), better default video player, having my phone say 4.03, 4.04, or 4.1.1 that's about it. Lemme know some other things you'd miss from ICS if you were to revert back.
Also, I have tried most roms for ICS, ranging from AOKP, AOSP based roms, CM9, Sammywiz ones, MIUI variations. Just for reference, I've tried Shishir, Ressurection AOKP, Foxhound's roms, Basically all of Kaffee's roms, cMIUI, RGUI, AdyScorp's V4, AOKP official, Rootbox, etc. My favorite of those personally was probably Ressurection, and cMIUI. Not a huge fan of AOKP (or the wole CM interface), so cMIUI a bit more.
Btw, the GB rom I'm referring to is AdyScorpius' MIUI GB. Fastest rom I've ever used, period. Battery life from what I remember was not even that good (I mean it's MIUI) even compared to other MIUI's. So considering that I'm noticing it to be on par, if not better than ICS I was running, is noteworthy.
Lay your comments down below.
EDIT: Oh and I've tried a few JB roms already, including CM10, Kaffee's CM10, and X-treme's CM10 based rom. To be honest it's really smooth (coming from ICS though), however it's wayyy too early in the game to compare it to GB for me. To be quite honest, it's really smooth and relatively fast, but since it's still based on ICS, I doubt it will ever feel as good as GB.

I do agree but i got used to ICS and the little problems bundled with it. When samsung decides to update our phones to JB, i hope it'll be a different story
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VanillaCracker said:
So after having been running ICS roms for the past 2 months or so, I decided to switch back to my favorite Gingerbread rom for the hell of it, to see exactly what I'd been giving up for ICS. And WOW, was I blown away. [...] I'm looking to get some other impressions here, and from both sides (mostly ICS fans, if you don't mind), and just get an overall consensus of what the deal is. I knew I'd missed GB, but I didn't realize it was this much!
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Well, I'm not an pure ICS fan - both versions have their advantages - but I like CM, AOSP and MIUI - and Samsungs camera app. As almost everything here at XDA and other boards is about ICS and now JB I have not expected someone coming up with a thread like this, thanks
I must admit reverting to a 2.6.9 GB MIUI (external link to Fluxi's MIUI GB thread) quite often, too - It somehow just "feels" better than any ICS ROM I tried so far (only 2 months \w I9100, i9000 before, always working on kernels) - touch sensitivity and wakeup lag definately are two reasons for me, too. Battery seems to be almost equal to me.
I'm still looking for "the" firmware, currently testing MIUI 2.7.27 which seems to work quite well, too. But I have a feeling that I'll switch back to GB tonight...
Read in another thread you posted that the WIUI dev might update the GB version, may I ask where you have that information from? Interesting.

Gingerbread was far better than ICS from a raw performance standpoint, i was 100 and 1% happy with the way my phone performed with GB and then i flashed to ICS and got used to extra features (and im the kind of person that doesn't like to be behind the curve).
If google had ported all of the new functionality to GB along with some of the work they did with project butter we would have a MUCH MUCH better platform than we are currently stuck with.
Having a device that doesn't respond the way you would expect to touch input and has noticeable jank and lag in this day and age is NOT acceptable when you have the likes WP7 and iOS out there.
Time is running out Google (& to a degree Samsung) , I've been an Android user since the G1 and 3 devices on my patience is growing short.

We already had these kind of threads before

i will downgrade to 2.3.3 if there isn't a newer 2.3.x of Nee which i believe there is but i ain't finding them
i downgrading due to lockscreen stopped work on Stock ICS but it seems to be working on gingerbread

The only reason why I am on ics is that I can not connect to my college's wifi network... On ics wifi works fine...
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I downgraded from ics back to GB 2.3.4 due to ics bugs, lag on the touch screen (sometimes felt like a resistive screen) jerky swipes between home screens, black screen of death, random shut down and disappearing widgets. Like the op says, GB was a revelation again and the galaxy feels reliable, responsive and fast again. I'm staying put now till next year when my contact ends, I came from iPhone to android and maybe it will be wp8 next, or maybe a galaxy s3.....
I miss the face unlock, swipe to dismiss notifications and the task manager of ics, that's about all
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ephraim033 said:
I do agree but i got used to ICS and the little problems bundled with it. When samsung decides to update our phones to JB, i hope it'll be a different story
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I'm hoping the same thing man haha. But honestly I'm not having my hopes up anymore. I know that the CM10 preview builds don't have HW Accelerator working, and that the sensitivity does seem a bit better than ICS (more in the 'ok-eh' category instead of 'bad' like ICS), but I've seen a couple builds that claim to have HW Acceleration working, so if that makes a drastic improvement we'll see. Honestly I thought when ICS came out that it was just early in developemnt and that they'd work out the jags and stuff....yeah no. It's 3 months later and performance-wise it's relatively similar. AOKP has gotten much smoother though, but there's only so much you can do.
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Well, I'm not an pure ICS fan - both versions have their advantages - but I like CM, AOSP and MIUI - and Samsungs camera app. As almost everything here at XDA and other boards is about ICS and now JB I have not expected someone coming up with a thread like this, thanks
I must admit reverting to a 2.6.9 GB MIUI (external link to Fluxi's MIUI GB thread) quite often, too - It somehow just "feels" better than any ICS ROM I tried so far (only 2 months \w I9100, i9000 before, always working on kernels) - touch sensitivity and wakeup lag definately are two reasons for me, too. Battery seems to be almost equal to me.
I'm still looking for "the" firmware, currently testing MIUI 2.7.27 which seems to work quite well, too. But I have a feeling that I'll switch back to GB tonight...
Read in another thread you posted that the WIUI dev might update the GB version, may I ask where you have that information from? Interesting.
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I really appreciate your comments, especially coming from someone who has experience with kernels, it gives the whole discussion a little more validity. Wake lag is definitely annoying, honestly that's one of those things that by itself, you would think could be dismissed, but when added to the touch sensitivty, and sluggishness, just makes you think..what the hell.
Btw I was actually looking at WIUI last night by chance and also saw that he actually is updating his GB version. I had to re-read it a few times to make sure I wasn't mistaken. He's got a 6.29 version out, and in the comments he said he would do 8.4 (around there). I'll probably flash that, as my April GB rom is probably really outdated....hah.
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Gingerbread was far better than ICS from a raw performance standpoint, i was 100 and 1% happy with the way my phone performed with GB and then i flashed to ICS and got used to extra features (and im the kind of person that doesn't like to be behind the curve).
If google had ported all of the new functionality to GB along with some of the work they did with project butter we would have a MUCH MUCH better platform than we are currently stuck with.
Having a device that doesn't respond the way you would expect to touch input and has noticeable jank and lag in this day and age is NOT acceptable when you have the likes WP7 and iOS out there.
Time is running out Google (& to a degree Samsung) , I've been an Android user since the G1 and 3 devices on my patience is growing short.
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I agree with you that it probably would have made a lot more people happy had they stuck with a thoroughly upgraded GB instead of making a new platform. However although ICS sucks performance-wise (interface, anyway), it is actually pretty good in terms of efficiency. If you notice while restoring text messages or installing something via titanium backup, or shutting off your phone, things run quicker on ICS. ICS is more efficient, for sure. Which is why I hate even more how it is, because it has potential but for some reason still just completely sucks.
I'm gonna have to rant on google: *these are new thoughts just realized a minute ago* Google is definitely behind the ball in terms of what they're releasing. Google has always been out of touch with the people[/B. I'm only 20 but I was able to pick this up over the last couple years. They suck at knowing what people want, or at least are too hung up with their own projections that they don't see the people in which they're serving. You can tell google doesn't know what they're doing because you see it in everything they do. Example 1) Changing Android Market to Google Play Store. Obviously, there are plenty of reasons for them to do that (main probably being to get their name out - not everyone knows android is google based, and also to put all their apps into one [google music, google books, ect]), but they could have done that without changing the name to something EVERYONE HATES. Example 2) Google chrome (desktop). I use Chrome on my home PC. It's really fast. Other than that, I hate everything about it. The interface is styled, but looks like it was organized by an amateur, and is poorly structured. Functinoality is splintered and not well thought out. Firefox beats it in every single category, except for performance. Wish I could go back to firefox. Example 3) Chrome (Mobile), this app is unstable, and probably the slowest browser on the market...and yet it is the only video playing browser available on JB (no flash anymore)... Firefox BETA is 300% more stable than chrome's Non Beta app.
GB was fine, but ICS's regression is total bull (and I'm not talking to official update - samsung), and honestly as mentioned above it is just debasing them for the future. Honestly, I had an itouch for a couple years, and have used countless friends iphones over the years, so I know what it's like. Just the simple fact that going back to MIUI GB has made me the happiest I've been in a while...is saying something. I hate to be the ass who brings up negative things, but if they had been doing things right in the first place, things wouldn't have to be mentioned. I'm not too picky, but I do demand quality. Although I've never even considered it in the past, I'm looking forward to seeing what they're rolling out for the iphone 5, cus it may actually make a difference in my next phone.
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I saw one, but it does not discuss the same thing..it meerly has the same subject. This thread heads in a much different direction, also the former post is outdated with the progression of ICS currently.
LastStandingDroid said:
i will downgrade to 2.3.3 if there isn't a newer 2.3.x of Nee which i believe there is but i ain't finding them
i downgrading due to lockscreen stopped work on Stock ICS but it seems to be working on gingerbread
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You may find one! I know finding official releases past 4.x.x is hard. WIUI is pulling from somewhere though, I know that. Could be it's all just his own input.
Dark Emotion said:
The only reason why I am on ics is that I can not connect to my college's wifi network... On ics wifi works fine...
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I know ICS has better range for WIFI, other than that I don't know the actual differences.
*Sorry for long post*

It is not the range, it is wpa2 thing...
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Oh no!! This thread is killing me for going back to Gb. Damn damn damn....
Sliding answering options, fantastic lockscreen, system wide font synchronization, what more I am missing....God knows....!!

i never use GB on my phone it came with ICS out of box but i want to try it, stock and custom just wanna see how different it is performance wise.

ithehappy said:
Oh no!! This thread is killing me for going back to Gb. Damn damn damn....
Sliding answering options, fantastic lockscreen, system wide font synchronization, what more I am missing....God knows....!!
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Lol I hope you're not trolling. Honestly I doubt GB has much of anything that ICS doesn't have. Except ICS option menu is dumb (although samsung's gb is RETARDED), and GB has more simple, intuitive button layout (delete, menu key layout, etc.)
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i never use GB on my phone it came with ICS out of box but i want to try it, stock and custom just wanna see how different it is performance wise.
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Yeah I mean if you haven't rooted yet you're definitely missing out on like 50+ roms to try. There's plenty of different categories and types. You'll probably be amazed when you flash one of the latest (or last) GB build roms. They're blazing. Ady MIUI is like iOS on steroids. Cept the battery is meh. That's the only problem. And of course GB seems outdated now, but it's still got higher usability, imo. Part of what kills ICS is it takes so much longer for you to do things on your phone. I bet it drives up screen on time

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Lol I hope you're not trolling.
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Whatever I do, I'll never troll.

after brick my phone with the so called chip bug and change the mb after paying 100 with the same chip with a bug, flashing XWLPO and then XWLPT I decided to go back to 2.3.4. My battery last +2 days (everything disabled and underclocked) and everything looks smooth enogh for me. If you want a cool interface like ICS has (I see no reason at all to run ICS other than the interface) just install the free version of Go Launcher

Yeah I mean if you haven't rooted yet you're definitely missing out on like 50+ roms to try. There's plenty of different categories and types. You'll probably be amazed when you flash one of the latest (or last) GB build roms. They're blazing. Ady MIUI is like iOS on steroids. Cept the battery is meh. That's the only problem. And of course GB seems outdated now, but it's still got higher usability, imo. Part of what kills ICS is it takes so much longer for you to do things on your phone. I bet it drives up screen on time
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no my phone is rooted and i already flashed custom roms for more then 10 times( all ics expect 2 latest build of cmx) not a big fan of ios looks but im looking forward to try out other gb roms, but im keep coming back to stock based roms just b'coz of camera and that is wht i really want to see in stock gb : camera
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ithehappy said:
Whatever I do, I'll never troll.
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Good to hear it :good:
heavens dragon said:
no my phone is rooted and i already flashed custom roms for more then 10 times( all ics expect 2 latest build of cmx) not a big fan of ios looks but im looking forward to try out other gb roms, but im keep coming back to stock based roms just b'coz of camera and that is wht i really want to see in stock gb : camera
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Oh I gotcha. Yeah honestly stock camera blows all the other cameras away. Stock ICS camera is pretty decent too, but the button on stock gb is the best. feels more secure, and focus is instantaneous with press. MIUI (GB) is decent too except I found the quality a little worse and instant focus a little less accurate. Anti-shake is terrible on MIUI camera too.

Wow GB. Amazing memories .I think the best GB was XXKI4. But what can I know... I had GB for 2 or 3 months since this year's winter and then Boom! Boot loop. You know why guys?? I had brand XWKI4 and there were battery mods for XXKI4.So I flashed those ;p. And then came XXLPS.Now I am on LQ7 but It's not the same. Thanks bro I was waiting for man wich will lead me to GB. BTW first rom for SGS2 is XWKDD so?! Coman guys we have Gingerbread to flash
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can someone link the "best" (in his eyes) gb roms ?
i would love to try a few if they are really faster than ics (smoother).
was so close to try cm10 but so much stuff needs to be fixed...
for me the most important thing would be cam and a smooth feeling.
and can i use nova launcher prime on gb (is it looking the same?)
i never tried gb (my s2 came with ics, so....)

I haven't used GB since I got my S2, but I used it exclusively on my original S. When I moved from phone to phone I found the speed increase of GB on an S to ICS on my S2 simply mind blowing. I know it's nearly a 200% processor boost, but still. Now I'm using JellyBean. I get a full day of near constant use with an extended battery. (I'm a teen, we text all the time, so it gets a pretty heavy workout.) and the speed BLOWS AWAY Gingerbread and ICS without question.
So no, I don't miss it personally. And I'm using SwiftKey, which is an absolute dream. Way better than any stock kb I've ever used.
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Jellybean, disappointed with project butter. anyone else?

I have been loading most of the patchwork JB Roms that have been popping up here. I like some things about it, like Google Now, but I cant seem to understand "project butter." I cannot tell any real difference in smooth-ness. It still seems pretty laggy on my NS4G. I am hoping this is because either I have been using a newer device as my daily driver, or just that these Roms are hacked from other releases.
Does anyone else feel this way? What are your experiences with devices like the nexus 7 that were designed with JellyBean? smoother? same?

Nope I can see the difference its faster & smoother than ICS open app draw opens fast in ICS it took a little longer jellybean is the best OS update from Google so far 2 big thumbs up & I'm getting the same or a little better battery life than I was on ICS
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I can definitely see a huge difference it terms of smoothness. You should probably delete some apps you don't need or do a factory wipe.
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I mirror your experience, however am still hopeful that when Sprint releases the actual files, things will be better. I haven't experienced JB on any of the newer devices, but the reports are good. Life is all about expectations ... guess we should be thankful that we're even receiving the updates.

Killasmoke said:
Nope I can see the difference its faster & smoother than ICS open app draw opens fast in ICS it took a little longer jellybean is the best OS update from Google so far 2 big thumbs up & I'm getting the same or a little better battery life than I was on ICS
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FYI---it is VERY hard to understand you without any punctuation.

You still should keep in mind that we're on a 2 year old device... yeah yeah the original Nexus S came out in Dec 2010... not quite 2 years, but it's based off of tech that debuted in the original Galaxy S in the summer of that year. It's great hardware, but it's expected that we'll have a tough time dealing with newer OS' ... quite frankly I've considered going back to a stripped down CM7 just because of the smoothness compared to ICS (and JB) ... we're just running into serious RAM limitations on this device.

Piaband said:
I have been loading most of the patchwork JB Roms that have been popping up here. I like some things about it, like Google Now, but I cant seem to understand "project butter." I cannot tell any real difference in smooth-ness. It still seems pretty laggy on my NS4G. I am hoping this is because either I have been using a newer device as my daily driver, or just that these Roms are hacked from other releases.
Does anyone else feel this way? What are your experiences with devices like the nexus 7 that were designed with JellyBean? smoother? same?
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Try different kernels as well with the rom.
I definitely see a difference,
I have no more lag at all with what i used to before.

I think, the UI can be a bit smoother, but multitasking and opening/closing apps works smoooooth!

Much faster and smoother than ICS.
Running Jelly Belly 1.5.1
Don't expect 2 much from old device like nexus s.

Google is getting sued for project butter being "too smooth" by apple because apple claimed smoothness was patented.
Kidding,
But, I could see it happening.
JB is 3 steps ahead of any other OS :x

I am on jelly bean. I want to ask too why browsing in chrome is laggy? Opening apps and switching between apps is smooth though, but I dont feel that only switching and opening apps constitute the project butter.

I just don't like the fact that it keeps the phone awake over night. You ask me jellybean trying to do too much in the background. Last night I turned off 3g. When I woke up someone sent me a mms at 12am. When I check the battery stats it kept my phone awake trying to download a mms without data on. Not to smart
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lekhwani said:
I am on jelly bean. I want to ask too why browsing in chrome is laggy? Opening apps and switching between apps is smooth though, but I dont feel that only switching and opening apps constitute the project butter.
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Dialer slow, opening Apps in Settings freaking slow, chrome slow...

JB gave new life to my NS, definitely the smoothest it has ever been, and I don't feel the need to OC. As I do with all phones/roms, all transitions and animations are turned off, including the third one added with JB. Also using Nova launcher, but am going to try Apex again now that they updated it with JB base.
And the biggest thing I noticed is how quickly the recents come up now, it's instant. I honestly didn't think that would be possible on the NS.

Piaband said:
I have been loading most of the patchwork JB Roms that have been popping up here. I like some things about it, like Google Now, but I cant seem to understand "project butter." I cannot tell any real difference in smooth-ness. It still seems pretty laggy on my NS4G. I am hoping this is because either I have been using a newer device as my daily driver, or just that these Roms are hacked from other releases.
Does anyone else feel this way? What are your experiences with devices like the nexus 7 that were designed with JellyBean? smoother? same?
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Pick up the Galaxy Nexus and you'll see the difference much clearer. NS is just plain old.

Why don't you try setting animations to 0.5?
Nexus S (GMS i9020a)
Paranoid (1.6 - 4.0.4)
Matrix Kernel (CFS - 20.0)
Ondemmand (800/100)
Deep Idle (On - Deadline)
Live OC - 100 (400/800)
BLX - 98 (Inverted Apps)

People don't like change, I remember seeing threads bashing ICS when it came out. Its new and the devs here have done made great progress in the short time since its release.
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smoka206 said:
People don't like change, I remember seeing threads bashing ICS when it came out. Its new and the devs here have done made great progress in the short time since its release.
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I'm not bashing at all, love jelly bean.
Just mentioned where is slow.

Piaband said:
FYI---it is VERY hard to understand you without any punctuation.
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I didn't know I was in school & you where an English teacher. I think you need an eye exam if you can't see or feel that jellybean is faster than ICS.
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lekhwani said:
I am on jelly bean. I want to ask too why browsing in chrome is laggy? Opening apps and switching between apps is smooth though, but I dont feel that only switching and opening apps constitute the project butter.
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Chrome is a ram hog. Add in all the other processes eating ram, and you'll see why it's laggy.
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