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First of all lets not turn this into a war of the mobile OS's....Everyone has their own oppinions and needs, which is why there will NEVER be a definitive answer to the Question: Which is better, WinMo or Android? So please dont start flamewars or fanboy arguments in this thread.
The purpose of this poll is to determine how many of you will be 'switching' to Android on a pemanent basis, and how many of you will be sticking with Windows Mobile in some capacity.
I ask this because originally when I first tested Android, I envisaged myself sticking with Windows Mobile when a flashable Android ROM was released.
Then as great progress began to be made with the AndroidHD2 development, I began to think that windows was dead to me and I eagerly awaited the NAND version of Android.
Now I am beginning to think that I might stick with a dual boot option even when the NAND version comes. Ideally I would like to have Android as my flashed ROM with a version of WM 6.5.x running from SD as a dual boot option.
So... When the NAND Flashable version of Android for HD2 comes...What will you do?
(I know this should be in the 'General HD2 Android' section but there isn't one...yet. Mods, please move when possible).
I like the widgets and backgrounds, android is just so much easier.
But for tomtom, I'll still be using my winmo. Some stuff just req windows to function.
So, best of both worlds, I guess..
If i can still retain WinMo then sure, why not... but if it's not possible then i'll stick to the Micro SD card. I wouldn't want to give up my ability to dual boot.
The Android builds are fast enough anyways on the card and i'm sure a class 6 Micro SD will be faster than the NAND anyways.
As well as in PCs, having dual boot means you can use both OSes Apps. So I will stick to dual boot.
I plan on buying the next big android phone tmobile and htc come up with (and i have a nexus one), so my hope for the hd2 is flashing wp7. I dont know if you nand flash if you would be able to flash wp7 if there are gonna be wp7 roms.
ANDROID: NAND
WINMO:SD card
Ubuntu: SD card
iOS4: SD card
and I wish having a new bootloader possible to select before splashscreen.
Cheer!
THANHVO31 said:
ANDROID: NAND
WINMO:SD card
Ubuntu: SD card
iOS4: SD card
and I wish having a new bootloader possible to select before splashscreen.
Cheer!
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Now THATS what Im talkin about!
Even the iOS4 might make it onto my card if a version was ever released for HD2...one more app store cant hurt
Here's the thing
If we flash Android to nand, will there be any going back? Will there ever be updates to future versions of android? This is the primary thing to me, if the dev's will continue to upgrade Android for future versions then I might flash, but if it's kind of a one and done, I'd probably stick with dual booting. I'm also hoping that there is eventually a wp7 port for the hd2 as well...
I'm thinking if it's worth investing in a class 6 card to keep dualboot, what do u guys think about the performance difference between NAND and Class 6?
HectiQ said:
I like the widgets and backgrounds, android is just so much easier.
But for tomtom, I'll still be using my winmo. Some stuff just req windows to function.
So, best of both worlds, I guess..
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same for me, the other gps software are.... not as good and easy as tomtom.
I will use Winmo for tomtom only and the rest on android
maybe tomtom release a android version
THANHVO31 said:
ANDROID: NAND
WINMO:SD card
Ubuntu: SD card
iOS4: SD card
and I wish having a new bootloader possible to select before splashscreen.
Cheer!
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Would it ever be possible to have iOS on a hd2? That would be great for all the extra apps.
I am happy with Android on SD card and dual booting.
I prefer the functionality of a dual boot, but in appealability I would much prefer to run Android as a day to day phone when the nand is finally ported. But I wouldn't jump in feet first,I'd hope that it was totally reversible and not flash back & forth,just that winmo could stay as an option to return to. And that the devs can continue to feed us with fresher versions when they become available.
umiss said:
I'm thinking if it's worth investing in a class 6 card to keep dualboot, what do u guys think about the performance difference between NAND and Class 6?
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And I'm thinking there is a different thread on that subject
i prefer winmo over the android , im returning to winmo , its just my openion :!
Bye bye winmo
The only thing that winmo is doing in my phone right now is to help me to run haret.
sure i would flash it, just to satisfy my curiosity, but i would eventually stick with dual booting winmo and android on SD.
NAND is so close....the Devs are finishing the structure port...them is a question of work to give the polish in all.
today the dev work is located on leds notification.
were is the status thread?
for the poll, I will make what turns more eficient the performance of Android....including the question of baterie life, very important.
pack21 said:
NAND is so close....the Devs are finishing the structure port...them is a question of work to give the polish in all.
today the dev work is located on leds notification.
were is the status thread?
for the poll, I will make what turns more eficient the performance of Android....including the question of baterie life, very important.
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This is great news! i really do start reading the dev channel logs to keep up to date
triple booting
i am sticking with triplebooting android ,ubuntu,winmo.i am using a class 4 card and the speed is great,moving up to class 6 .my hd2 with android scores better than my brothers evo on linpack,and quadrant.
At the moment I will stay on dual boot. Cant wait for a really stable Android for HD2 If we can get TomTom or iGO8 on Android then i will go with it on NAND.
Perhaps a stupid nob question - but here it goes...
I need to be able to still run WinMo 6.5.5 because we use some WinMo apps at work, so if i flash a Android NAND Rom, can i still boot WinMo in my custom ROM (Dutty v.13) with all the apps and stuff i have installed under WinMo?
Just need to know befor i flash a Andorid MNND rom.
It's easy to choose if you run Android from the SD card, but it would be nice to run a NAND Android Rom instead.
Nope. It is an either or situation with NAND. NAND completely erases the WinMob OS and puts android in it's place.
Just out of curiosity, what is it that you need windows for?
chvvkumar said:
Nope. It is an either or situation with NAND. NAND completely erases the WinMob OS and puts android in it's place.
Just out of curiosity, what is it that you need windows for?
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Thanks for the quick and precise respons ;-)
We only use mobil phones at work and have a littel app for directing calls and choosing witch phone queue we are on. And that littel app only works with WinMo :-(
I think dual booting is the best way to go for you. Use wnmo at work and android at home.
Or, ask your company to get on with the times and develop a port for Android and IOS
TBH I think you lose nothing with sticking to Android in RAM and running a sweet sweet custom Winmo 6.5 - I know that Android on HD2 is stellar, but between Laurentius 5.1, Energy, and Dutty you are really covered for WM6.5 as they are all superb.
But yes - NAND really does wipe WM completely
In all honesty RAM builds are faster than NAND ones for now.
Thanks guys - il'l stick with one of the new Android RAM builds.
Hi All,
Can we use the System.img released with NAND roms as an SD build?
I see many nice builds released right now for NAND, and a decrease in SD builds. I prefer to use SD based builds -> any solution?
--summoner
summoner said:
Hi All,
Can we use the System.img released with NAND roms as an SD build?
I see many nice builds released right now for NAND, and a decrease in SD builds. I prefer to use SD based builds -> any solution?
--summoner
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There is a decrease because the NAND versions are so darn perfect and solid. I am assuming you want to continue with SD versions to keep WM 6.5 as a dual boot option? If not, then just do a NAND flash and use your SD card for what it was intended for, mass storage! NAND is the way to go, SD card is so last year! Lol!
I've actually been searching for the last couple of days for the complete opposite, converting a sd version to a nand. Already found the wonderful world of nand converting to cwm.
i would like to stick with sd version as i still havent found a fully satisfied version...i am wondering does nand will work way better and stable than sd version? because im keep changing different build to test which one is the best one out of them.
Its a matter of opinion, you have to at least have a base of what your looking for, for example, I like sense builds, not many are out there, but I try them, they all have their pros and cons, its what you can live with and what you cant. Or as many have said, make your own. I got into doing that with WinMo when I didnt like much of the builds out there. Now I may just read up on seeing about making my own build for myself.
But in short, have a base of what your looking for and go from there.
i tried to extract the system.img and put the files into a generated system.ext2, the process was successful, but the system.ext2 wont boot, it kept rebooting.
maybe there's another way to do this
Thanks for all the replies!
1. I like having both Winmo and Android although I do currently use Android more
2. I Am sure NAND builds are super-best-good-times, but I like flashing to have the latest and greatest and find it a big benefit to have WinMo at the backseat
3. Any success with this? are the kernels released for NAND compatible with SD?
It seems that most builds and work is on NAND builds I hope SD and RAM builds (which I think are the best of all worlds) won't be abandoned.
--summoner
I am also interested in this
I am also interested in doing this. I need to still have my WinMo 6.5 so I can sync my work schedule (ANDROID is NOT supported or allowed) and I have notice a significant Lag in the GPS apps I have tried (IGO, and Aura) on a NAND ROM. If any chef has the time to walk me through it I would greatly appreciate it.
I'm using WP7 and duel boot with Android on SD, I will be returning to Android Nand as my main OS, but I will still test Android SD builds booting from Magldr. The SD forum has slowed down, so I would like to convert nand to sd also. Hopefully someone will find a solution soon. Why not have the best of both. When Magdlr 1.13 comes out, there will proberbly be more interest in this area.
i would also like to do this. because there is some nand roms i would like to convert for my personal use. please someone point us in the right direction.
ok im new and a friend of mind had a sd android on my hd2 now i want the realthing in nand how do i do this, sorry but my friend who did this for me in the begining past away so now im trying (rip gary)
phonegod said:
ok im new and a friend of mind had a sd android on my hd2 now i want the realthing in nand how do i do this, sorry but my friend who did this for me in the begining past away so now im trying (rip gary)
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893948
this helped me
I, too, am interested in such a conversion (NAND ROM to SD ROM).
If there is not already an app, there will be. After all, this is XDA.
Actually guys.. you should have used the search box!
Here's a way to do that
Hi:
I just got my Telstra HD2, and am very excited about installing Android on it but don't know which one to install. I also have a HTC Pure which I am also running Android on.
On the Pure, I boot into Windows 6x and then start another program called Haret something or another, and I then have Android.
I am looking for the same functionality on my HD2. I will basically use the HD2 Android for apps, and the HD2 Windows for Calls/Contacts/Calender, so I need to be able to switch back and forth via rebooting or some other way in an easy fashion.
Any links, suggestions would be greatly appreciated...and thank you in advance!
Chaz
Before I switched to a NAND build I used this:- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=870518
Check the forums - it's all a matter of taste! They're all good!
Hope this helps
If you want a Nand build to chose from, see this list [17 FEB]HD2 NAND BIBLE [roms][kernels][mods]
I aggree with jellywobbles on the SD build, it's sollid and fast.
The stuff in my SIG will work great
Dont hesitate and install the Hyperdroid GBX 5.0
Its by far superior to the rest in terms of speed, smoothness and unlike the others the creator actually helps you resolve your probs
cheers...
If you still want winmo, you must use a SD build... look in the SD development section for SD builds. It will work the same way with haret.exe, but you must also run clrcad first, then haret.exe.
Hi if you want android with sense use this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=931126
Fast ,stable and nice.
I use MDJs_CyanogenMod7_v.2.6_NAND_A2SD+.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91mnfufny-Q
and follow step by step here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893948
pairojn said:
I use MDJs_CyanogenMod7_v.2.6_NAND_A2SD+.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91mnfufny-Q
and follow step by step here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893948
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Without doubt the best NAND ROM for the HTC HD2 you can get. That's the good news - bad news its has been removed from XDA due to GPL issues, so you'll have to hunt for it!
Be interesting to see just how long the links you posted stay here! No doubt a mod will edit your post & remove them!
Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock ...............
Skink Clean Desire
I prefer the Sense UI. Basically the dhd and dz builds are great and have the new sense but i couldnt find a rom that was stable and ready for daily use.
Now i use the Skink Clean Desire 1.2.
Its fast, stable and battery-friendly, what more would you want?
feloccio said:
I prefer the Sense UI. Basically the dhd and dz builds are great and have the new sense but i couldnt find a rom that was stable and ready for daily use.
Now i use the Skink Clean Desire 1.2.
Its fast, stable and battery-friendly, what more would you want?
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What's the battery usage like?
My MDJ CyanogenMod 7 v. 2.6 with CWM build is awsome, and seems to run for ever. I switch my phone on @ 0530 & off at about 2300 & its often got about 40% left. I use it quite a lot in the day for SMS, eMail, WhatsApp, Bluetooth etc.
Personally I dislike the Sense UI, but with CWM installed on my HD2 I am always trying alternative builds! The joys of CWM eh?
May give it a whirl.
I remember well what it is, when you have to choose your first Android builds for your HD2. Now that I have used several ones, I can give you some advice.
First, keep it simple, and stay with pure SD builds. By this, you keep booting first in WM 6.5 just as you are doing now with your Pure, and you then boot Android with the usual CLRCAD and HARET. This can be fully automated by using EBL (Exceller boot loader). You always keep the possibility to quickly return to WM 6.5 in case something is wrong with the Android build.
Beware that for many builds which include "SD" in their name, they are not pure SD and require you to flash MAGLDR. When I mean pure SD builds, I speak about builds which do not require ANY flashing, which makes everything much more easy in the beginning. You will have plenty of time later to choose more sophisticated options.
Now, about choosing a specific SD build, it more depends about your taste and personal feeling. Don't blindly trust those who tell you that this one "is the best ever", you will find the same comment for every build.
You have basically two choices : builds with HTC Sense, and builds without.
Among the builds with Sense, I really liked "MDJ's froyo HD 4.6", but it has been removed (too long to explain here). I also liked the "darkstone SuperRAM Sense v0.1".
Among the builds without Sense, you will also have the opportunity to test the latest "Gingerbread" version of Android, which does not exist currently with "real" HTC Sense (beware of false claims in the title of the build).
Personally, I must tell that, now that I have discovered and used Gingerbread, I will not be able to go back to older Froyo.
I am currently using the "[FEB 16]AmeriCanAndroid AOSP HD2 GB232" from this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957652
and it works really really well. It is easy to install, just read all the first post AND the FAQ.
But don't expect any build to be perfect, that all have some glitches.
And again, in the end it is much about personal preferences.
I always have a delima of which one is the best. With the plethora of ROMs, it is hard to pick out the best.
Hi guys! I need an advice both from Windows and Android users.
I used to run Gingerbread on my Leo (NexusHD2 by Tytung) with nativeSD, and I didn't update to ICS or JB because I didn't want it to become laggy (I suppose they are heavier than GB).
Yesterday, my sdcard got broken (actually it became write-protected for no reason on earth, and I couldn't find any way to unlock it or format it, even though I tried with every solution I found on the internet), so I just bought a new one, which will arrive tomorrow; I've read on xda that class4 Sandisk cards are the best ones for smartphones, because they have a higher random speed, whereas class6 and class10 have higher sequential speed but lower random speed. So I bought a 32GB Sandisk class4.
ANDROID PART
1) Now, given that card, do you think I will be able to run smoothly Jellybean (if I find a good stable ROM)? Or do you think it is just too heavy? (If I'm not mistaken ICS, JB, Kitkat are all optimized for multi-core CPUs, and we have a single core with relatively low ram...)
2) If you think I can update to JB without having lags as soon as I install a few apps, would you recommend me a good, stable and fast nativeSD ROM? I'm looking for something very basic, without built-in apps or other crap, I just want the simple, original OS and I will install apps that I need later.
WINDOWS PHONE PART
Since I'll have plenty of space now, with 32GB, I thought to give Windows Phone a shot, since I use Windows 8 on my laptop and I've been told that WP is a very light and not power-demanding OS.
So my idea is a dual boot through nativeSD with Android as favourite OS (since it's the one I'm used to) and WP as second OS, to see if it can fit my needs.
Could you recommend me a good, stable and fast nativeSD ROM? I'm looking for something very basic, without built-in apps or other crap, I just want the simple, original OS and I will install apps that I need later. Besides, is there a stable WP8 for HD2 or just WP7?
Thank you very much for any help. I hope to come to a decision today because tomorrow I'll get the new sdcard and I want to do ll the flashing in one time, without having to repartition the sdcard later
hi
i dual booted my hd2 a while ago.
if u want my opinion, windows phone will not come in use.
but! i still have it on my phone.
i use hd2o as winphone and tytung's nexusHD2 v2.7 (android 4.2.2) as nativeSD android. (i have a 16gb toshiba class 4 microsd card)
there is no winphone 8 available so far, and since DFT and a lot of developers are no longer supporting HD2, i dont think it will be available ever!
A lot of people use pedijamas winphone and say its awesome, but i haven't, and i have no time to switch.
kitkat is still beta, and some features do not work. A few days ago I installed nexusHD2 v3.3 (android 4.3) on my friends phone (nand, CLK sandisk 8gb class 10) and it was great.
but!!!!
my android is not that good. its slow and laggy.
conclusion:
1. Do not install winphone and magldr. instead install CLK and android (nexusHD2 is great, i think v2.7 is still better than v3.3)
2. Install winphone, and android. (i suggest install a few androids and see which one works better, i think 2.3.3 will be better though)
3. Install winphone alone, its fast, and by fast, i mean like FAAAST! but, its not android, so apps and ui will make u sick after a while! :S
hamid_valad said:
hi
i dual booted my hd2 a while ago.
if u want my opinion, windows phone will not come in use.
but! i still have it on my phone.
i use hd2o as winphone and tytung's nexusHD2 v2.7 (android 4.2.2) as nativeSD android. (i have a 16gb toshiba class 4 microsd card)
there is no winphone 8 available so far, and since DFT and a lot of developers are no longer supporting HD2, i dont think it will be available ever!
A lot of people use pedijamas winphone and say its awesome, but i haven't, and i have no time to switch.
kitkat is still beta, and some features do not work. A few days ago I installed nexusHD2 v3.3 (android 4.3) on my friends phone (nand, CLK sandisk 8gb class 10) and it was great.
but!!!!
my android is not that good. its slow and laggy.
conclusion:
1. Do not install winphone and magldr. instead install CLK and android (nexusHD2 is great, i think v2.7 is still better than v3.3)
2. Install winphone, and android. (i suggest install a few androids and see which one works better, i think 2.3.3 will be better though)
3. Install winphone alone, its fast, and by fast, i mean like FAAAST! but, its not android, so apps and ui will make u sick after a while! :S
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Thank you for the reply! A few questions:
1a. In Tytung's v3.3, are the WiFi and 3G/HSPDA traffic indicator arrows in the status bar still not working or did he fix them?
1b. Why not magldr? I thought it would be better since it allows to "unlock" the 576MB RAM in EU HD2s (and I see that Tytung himself uses magldr )
2. Is WinPhone available just in NAND? No nativeSD ROMs?
alfling said:
Thank you for the reply! A few questions:
1a. In Tytung's v3.3, are the WiFi and 3G/HSPDA traffic indicator arrows in the status bar still not working or did he fix them?
1b. Why not magldr? I thought it would be better since it allows to "unlock" the 576MB RAM in EU HD2s (and I see that Tytung himself uses magldr )
2. Is WinPhone available just in NAND? No nativeSD ROMs?
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1a: i'm not sure, since i use nexushd2 v2.7, and it works just fine. (also i don't think its a big deal! i never noticed those arrows!)
1b: i dont know how did you find out that tytung uses magldr!!!! i my self use magldr, its great. but i believe if you just want to use android, CLK is a better option. new roms (4.2.2, 4.3, 4.4) wont fit on nand, so you have to make an ext4 partition and put your data on sd. just your system partition goes to nand, so i think it doesn't make any difference to unlock 576MB RAM. and also i don't know if CLK unlocks it or not! (sorry for my lack of info!)
2: i know this one!!!! )
nope, WinPhone is just available on nand, sadly!
hamid_valad said:
1a: i'm not sure, since i use nexushd2 v2.7, and it works just fine. (also i don't think its a big deal! i never noticed those arrows!)
1b: i dont know how did you find out that tytung uses magldr!!!! i my self use magldr, its great. but i believe if you just want to use android, CLK is a better option. new roms (4.2.2, 4.3, 4.4) wont fit on nand, so you have to make an ext4 partition and put your data on sd. just your system partition goes to nand, so i think it doesn't make any difference to unlock 576MB RAM. and also i don't know if CLK unlocks it or not! (sorry for my lack of info!)
2: i know this one!!!! )
nope, WinPhone is just available on nand, sadly!
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Thanks again! Eventually I asked directly to Tytung and he answered me that it was just an aesthetic thing and the he wouldn't fix it because Google themself removed them in the following versions. I installed the v3.3 and so far it's GREAT (like every Tytung's work)!
I guess he's using MAGLDR from what he writes at the end of his threads, but it's just a guess. Anyway, I'm forced to use nativeSD because some time ago I had continuous crashes even after Task29 and fresh install of Tytung ROMS, so I guess I have some bad blocks in my NAND after 4 years of heavy usage. I hoped to give WP a shot because I've read it's blazing fast, but I'll be happy with my JB 4.3 CM 10.2 :laugh:
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Thanks again! Eventually I asked directly to Tytung and he answered me that it was just an aesthetic thing and the he wouldn't fix it because Google themself removed them in the following versions. I installed the v3.3 and so far it's GREAT (like every Tytung's work)!
I guess he's using MAGLDR from what he writes at the end of his threads, but it's just a guess. Anyway, I'm forced to use nativeSD because some time ago I had continuous crashes even after Task29 and fresh install of Tytung ROMS, so I guess I have some bad blocks in my NAND after 4 years of heavy usage. I hoped to give WP a shot because I've read it's blazing fast, but I'll be happy with my JB 4.3 CM 10.2 :laugh:
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see, nexusHD2 is still awesome!
lucky me! i never had any problem with my nand!
if you have to use nativesd, it makes no difference if u use magldr or clk.
if you want to install WP, you have to install MAGLDR, but the problem is that it will wipe your sd and partition it to an unknown partition type. so back up your data before ding so!
have fun.
if i helped, i'm glad!
hamid_valad said:
see, nexusHD2 is still awesome!
lucky me! i never had any problem with my nand!
if you have to use nativesd, it makes no difference if u use magldr or clk.
if you want to install WP, you have to install MAGLDR, but the problem is that it will wipe your sd and partition it to an unknown partition type. so back up your data before ding so!
have fun.
if i helped, i'm glad!
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You've helped me a lot! Thanks!