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I'm on my 4th Hero now. This one has hot pixels. There's quite a number of them, probably more than my initial estimate of 15.
This gets convoluted now so bear with me. Of those pixels I would say that I see about 6 of them when watching tv in bed at night with my glasses off when the screen is displaying very dark colours. I'm pretty short sighted and put the phone really close to my face to watch stuff. In normal day to day use I don't see them. I might even have difficulty showing you anything but the two worst ones. Even those would require me to bring up a black screen to contrast with. And they're not in the middle of the screen.
Despite these pixels, of the 4 Hero's I've had this is the best one I've had. My last one had a bigger pixel problem, while there were fewer problem pixels they were more noticeable and right in the middle of the screen.
I contacted HTC about it by email and they said to contact them about a repair. I rang them just now to ask about it and the guy on the phone said they could not guarantee no hot pixels after repair and that he thought the best thing to do was get another replacement, he also said that he thought I'd probably get a refurbished phone as opposed to mine being fixed if HTC did it. He said that a new phone is always the best option.
If I could go to a store and swap it then that would be great. But I can't and Orange insist on couriering me a phone over. This means I can't check the phone before giving my old one back. I tried to do this last time and the courier flat out refused to give me the replacement before I had given him the old one. Apparently he had someone take the new phone and then slam the door in his face, meaning they had both phones!
Anyway, If I knew I'd get a better phone, I'd be happy to go for either replacement by Orange or repair by HTC. As it is I feel that the odds are stacked against me (this is my 4th, remember) and that I should maybe just be accepting of what I've got.
For anyone who'd bullishly just demand a replacement until they got a perfect phone I'd suggest that you consider that Orange aren't going to keep replacing the phone and that HTC's man said that they wouldn't guarantee a defect free phone. This could go on forever. Looking at this forum it seems that there are enough hardware problems for my problem to be relatively insignificant. Everything else is fine.
So yeah, what would you do? To sum up: Minor persistent annoyance vs potential for greater annoyance.
If it has that many dead pixels then its past what they (HTC) consider acceptable in their policy. In that case it is 'faulty'.
You should really be thinking of it like 'why on earth do you keep giving me faulty phones, get this sorted because i'm getting fed up with this' instead of 'err sorry could i please have another replacement'. Its their fault not yours!
The only down side to another replacement, like you say, is that it may have other problems they dont consider a fault. In any case since you got it online (right?), worst case you could just send the whole lot back and start again with another carrier.
Personally if i had issues like that with a phone, it would bug the hell out of me every time i noticed them, and i'd be kicking myself for not returning it.
15 dead pixels on such a low resolution screen is pretty rediculous. I'm begining to wonder if they are using cheap screens or something,
Can't find any pixel issues on mine. And would have it replaced if there were
, as I did with the Tocco a year ago.
Bought mine straight from HTC though.
kam187 said:
If it has that many dead pixels then its past what they (HTC) consider acceptable in their policy. In that case it is 'faulty'.
You should really be thinking of it like 'why on earth do you keep giving me faulty phones, get this sorted because i'm getting fed up with this' instead of 'err sorry could i please have another replacement'. Its their fault not yours!
The only down side to another replacement, like you say, is that it may have other problems they dont consider a fault. In any case since you got it online (right?), worst case you could just send the whole lot back and start again with another carrier.
Personally if i had issues like that with a phone, it would bug the hell out of me every time i noticed them, and i'd be kicking myself for not returning it.
15 dead pixels on such a low resolution screen is pretty rediculous. I'm begining to wonder if they are using cheap screens or something,
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Yeah, I agree man, I think I've got a right to a phone that works properly. However the practicality of it all is that I might not be able to get one. I can't get out of the contract now (7 days is all the time you get) and for the reasons stated earlier it might not be the best decision to chance a worse phone. I'm really in two minds about this but I'm just not sure how many good ones there are out there and how many bad ones there are.
Well... Number five is due tomorrow. Pray for me guys.
Hero number 4 from Mobliefun is due this week and in the interim I have ordered another from Devicewire. I'll have 2 to choose from, so I'll end up sending back either, or both.
Shame I have to go to these lengths just to get a defect free device but to these lengths I shall go.
Dead pixels
Every brand as a dead pixels policy. What HTC's? Some other member posted it at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2909106
a) three dead pixels anywhere on the screen or
b) two continuous dead pixels
If that's the case, you just need to send the phone back and get a new one. If it takes the 6th phone...just ask for a refund and buy it elsewhere. This reminds me of my 1st HDD I bought...the store replaced it for 5 times only to find out that the entire box was filled with damaged HDD's.
What I want to know is what exactly is the problem with the manufacturing process on these handsets? If you get a good one, it's amazing but how few and far between are they?
Dead pixels, gaps etc... you shouldn't be getting that on a high end device.
The last time I had problems like this was dust under the screen on my SE P800!
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Yeah, I agree man, I think I've got a right to a phone that works properly. However the practicality of it all is that I might not be able to get one. I can't get out of the contract now (7 days is all the time you get) and for the reasons stated earlier it might not be the best decision to chance a worse phone. I'm really in two minds about this but I'm just not sure how many good ones there are out there and how many bad ones there are.
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The whole transaction is for the contract AND phone. Efectively you have not received a working phone yet. They have replaced it and replaced it. The 7 days deadline doesnt really apply here. The goods they supplied were faulty and you have full legal rights to ask for a replacement, use your waranty, or ask for a total refund for upto 2 years in fact in the EU.. and 6 years in the UK.
The crucial point is the goods were defective at the point of sale.
I'm fairly certain that the contract doesn't include the handset which is why the people who recently got out of their Orange contracts early didn't have to return their handsets. Thanks all the same though.
It definitely is. The people who got out of their contract took advantage of the terms and conditions/law regarding contracts, and the changing/breach of that contract.
Yeah it definatly includes the handset.
The reason they were allowed to keep their handset was because of the terms of the contract. It was set that way because after purchase the handset belongs to you regardless of the contract term. Its legally dificult for them to tie the contract month by month to the handset because then it would become a kind of lease/purchase asset. This is also the reason why you can request a FREE unlock code after the first x months. The fee is just an admin charge, they're not actually alowed to charge you for the unlock code itself.
Anyway I'm not saying you _should_ send it all back, but that you _can_ if you want to.
It must be a faulty batch. I have only ever had 1 dead pixel on an HTC phone before, the original I-Mate Jam, and Expansys sent me a replacement immediately I mentioned it.
I got my second Hero yesterday (dropped my first in a coffee, dont ask..) and thankfully both of them were defect free. White, unbranded, no screen gap, build quality or LED issues.
Of course, I got mine as an import here in Hong Kong, so the sourcing batch is likely to be very different from Expanys UK or any UK Telco.
Bottom line as other people have said is that the phone does not work as advertised, it is not defect free. You wouldnt accept a new car or CD Player with a big scratch down the side. This is just the same, except worse, as the screen is not just aesthetics, but an integral part of the experience.
Get it replaced until it is right.
Huge pain, I know, and so frustrating.. I really sympathise.
2 hot pixels, gap above the screen and new for phone number 5: backlight bleed at the edges of the screen.
Go HTC!
Send it back mate. Consider buying outright or switching provider at least, that batch is goosed for sure.
I'm awaiting my 4th, should be here in the next couple hours.
God it makes my issue of a gap in the top of the screen seem rather insignificant! Dude you are having some serious bad look with these handsets. Get on to HTC and kick off.
If any sub standard handsets are making it in to the hands of consumers any company worth its salt should be concerned and by the same token be prepared to do something about it.
It may be worth highlighting the fact that they are receiving some bad press on a very reputable forum within the smartphone community as nothing travels faster than word of mouth!
Just got my 4th. I have 1 hot pixel which actually may be a speck of dust, it's hard to tell., but it's practically invisible. Also have a screen gap- the tiny variety which isn't noticeable until you get a bright light reflecting off that copper component at the right angle.
Still not perfect but I'll wait and see what the other one I'm waiting for is like. I'll keep the best one. I'm starting to wonder if almost the whole UK batch is dodgy...
To those who have perfect (white sim-free) handsets please tell me where you got them?
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God it makes my issue of a gap in the top of the screen seem rather insignificant! Dude you are having some serious bad look with these handsets. Get on to HTC and kick off.
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I'd love to, anyone know how to address them? There's no point contacting the phone numbers or support addresses on their website as the guys there have no power to do anything but say "why not try resetting your phone? If that doesn't work, return it to Orange or we can repair it for you"
Ha! Now that I examine Hero number 4 in the evening out of bright sunlight, the screen is splattered with dust or stuck pixels. There is also light bleeding out from the screen gap.
Hero number 5 soon...
I'm getting pretty pissed off. What's most annoying is that I'll send back 100 Heros before I settle for a different handset!
How come you guys are on your 4th and 5th handsets? It soley down to the dead pixels? I had 2 and neither had any dead pixels
Hello,
I recently bought a Desire HD, because my Hero's screen got unresponsive, because of a hardware fault of the screen.
I had a real nightmare with my Hero with the repair center. I had to send it 3 times to them in order to actually accept the problems and to partly fix it. About 2 months after I got it back from this almost 2 months horror the screen became unresponsive and I had to ditch my beloved Hero.
I decided to give HTC one more chance and bought a Desire HD and I was really happy with the device until yesterday when I found out that I have a dead/black pixel on the upper left side (left side of the HTC weather and time widget).
I already tried JScreenFix and another app from the market to fix it and had my phone running on it for more than an hour. But unfortunately this didn't fix anything.
I really like this phone and I decided not to get a Samsung Nexus S. But now I have to say that I am more than disappointed that I didn't.
I called my dealer and he said that he can only exchange the device within 7 days of purchase and that I have to send it to the repair center. I'm so frustrated right now that I am really playing with the idea of selling my Desire HD and get any other phone except an HTC.
If someone can help me, I would be more than happy, because I don't know what I can do anymore.
Thank you in advance!
Cheers!
Best way to remove dead pixels (this might be difficult due to the uni body design) is to take apart the phone leaving the SLCD bare and lightly (I normally use a cotton bud to avoid finger prints and avoid excess pressure) massage the effected area.
Attempt this when powered off first, if that unsuccessful do so when powered on (Boot cycle if necessary).
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Works in the laptop repair industry.
wikihow.com/Fix-a-Stuck-Pixel-on-an-LCD-Monitor
Most phones have a zero dead pixel warranty just check htcs policy on dead pixels then rma it you should receive a new unit
Alternatively if HTC do have a zero dead pixel policy then kick up a stink to the store manager that according to HTC the manufacturer its faulty and unfit for sale. Complain enough you will be surprised what happens
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Ok, thanks for the swift response.
If I take the phone apart I'll lose my warranty right?
I purchased the phone on 07.12.2010 and I never took any of those apart.
To be honest I'm a bit afraid I might screw up ending with a broken/inoperable device.
Do I also need any special tools to do that? And if yes how much do I have to pay for those?
I really don't want to sell my Desire HD so I am open for any suggestions.
Thanks.
P.S.: What do you think of those pixel repair programs on the market? Are they actually working at all?
Edit: Thanks for the hint, I'll check out their policy asap. I already called my dealer and wait for his call back. I will definitely "kick his ass" when he tries to bulls*it me. Thanks!
I have a dead/stick pixel too. I got it quite a while back and i even made a thread about it here. It was a real annoyance for me but now i just learned to live with it. Mine is right at the bottom center of the screen. I really don't have the patience to send it back to england for repair, and i don't have any confidence in taking it apart so i'll just have to live with it :/
I also tried that Jscreenfix app as well and it did nothing. I really doubt the success rate of those type of apps because my laptop has a dead/stuck pixel too and running a program like jscreenfix did nothing on my laptop either.
Yeah, I've read your topic and I tried to live with it too, but my device is like brand new and I paid a lot of money for it so I see no argument for accepting a faulty part tbh. I didn't buy it from a carrier it's unlocked and has no branding at all.
It's like my company/boss pays me for 1 day less a month just because his pc was broken on that day.
I also don't have any patience at all with the european service center anymore. The experience I made with my Hero was so horrible you can't imagine. I don't wish this even to my worst foe.
I also doubt the success of those apps, but I gave it a try so I can't say that I didn't try as much as possible.
i was just like you dude. bought it unlocked sim free no carrier, and only a few days after owning it the problem showed up. Its a real shame that LCD's suffer from this type of fault.
Yeah and I just called HTC to find out what their policy is, but the guy on the hotline told me that I got blablabla days where I can exchange it and after it I have to send it in for repair.
I'm so pissed now that I'm going to literally kill my dealer on the phone when he calls me back.
Glad I could help and thanks for the "Thank".
Unfortunately the Desire HD is a troublesome device to take apart and I wouldn't recommend doing so unless you have a through understanding of electronics and Uni-body casing, if you do plan on going ahead then your best bet would be to look at this:
http://www.htcphones.net/htc-evo-4g-teardown/
this is an similar phone to the Desire HD that uses a similar layout but different components, a full Desire HD tear down from a reputable website isn't available at this moment.
Depending on the warranty of your device then it may breach the warranty.
The best way to check if it breaches your warranty is to ask the manufacturer about the "conditions of the warranty" or not to break any Warranty Stickers.
As for returning the product, you probably have a better chance in saying the phone doesn't meet the aspect of quality you though it would, your more likely to get a return that way because the dealer isn't taking back a faulty product (Its unlikely they will check the product).
Sigh, I got 2 stuck pixels too... One is at the top left corner (red) and another in the middle region (blue)... Just bought for less than 7 days and they are already there... Stupid HTC policy of more than 3 closely pixel sh*t doesn't help at all... I had been using so many HTC phones and it seems that only DHD gave me stuck pixels... What is wrong with their QC? Damn it... Well, i gave up looking at it and learn to live with it... The only thing that is keeping me with HTC is due to Android + 4.3"... There isn't any other phones providing such luxury... its really pathetic...
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Sigh, I got 2 stuck pixels too... One is at the top left corner (red) and another in the middle region (blue)... Just bought for less than 7 days and they are already there... Stupid HTC policy of more than 3 closely pixel sh*t doesn't help at all... I had been using so many HTC phones and it seems that only DHD gave me stuck pixels... What is wrong with their QC? Damn it... Well, i gave up looking at it and learn to live with it... The only thing that is keeping me with HTC is due to Android + 4.3"... There isn't any other phones providing such luxury... its really pathetic...
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If you bought it over the phone or online and are in the UK then you can return it within 7 days for a refund if it is faulty or not. Distance selling rules cover this option.
As for stuck pixels my understanding is that HTC policy is "any three pixels" or "any two joined pixels".
When buying a phone, we often skip the step by step test because we are too eager for the phone that we expect long. Examine the steps necessary minimum:
* LCD Screen
- You for startup phone, startup screen is white color. You look at the different angles to see what is not normal ?
- When the phone was running, you turn on the camera application. You use hand lens cover>>> screen is black. You can observe different colored pixels that do not? if it occurs, it is dead pixels
*Speakers and external speakers (Make a call, listening to music at a volume level to maximum)
*Wireless connections and to try a few sites....
*Squeeze the cover slightly to see if sure?
*..................
Hopefully my experience was helpful for you and sorry for my poor English
Get insurance put up with it for a while and drop it in the sink. Get new one. Your bound to break it at some point in the future.
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I also have one dead pixel mid-right colored green. When I first got it i checked well and it was not there. After a few days it is there.
I bought mine during my business trip to Hong Kong. I went to the shop and asked my dealer to change vthe unit but they said there should be at least four dead pixels in order to change within 7 days. Also they told me to call the htc office but it was weekend and i will be leaving HK on the folllowing monday. so I had no chance but to live with it. I will send an email to Htc to check what they will say.
Guys,
Sorry to sound obvious but have you tried the jscreenfix app (there is an Android version in the market) or similar in order to make sure the pixels are actually dead and not simply stuck? If they are stuck this should repair it. I ran their software via my PS3 after picking up a couple of stuck pixels on my LCD TV and it worked wonders.
Not promising anything but it must be worth ago before resorting to taking it apart/ sending it back. From the comments you do have to let it run a while and maybe on a few occasions, however it should certainly help with coloured pixels (ie green)
To add my 2 cents, when ever i have some kind of issue, i will always make it over the top and add some juicy details when calling any company. For example i will say that my screen starts to loose colors after being on for more then an hour. I know it's not good in a sense, but when something costs 500+ euro, it should work fine for more then few month. In 10 or so years, my stuff was always replaced with a brand new one.
Regards.
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Get insurance put up with it for a while and drop it in the sink. Get new one. Your bound to break it at some point in the future.
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This is insurance fraud, its illegal, classed as theft and is causing insurance premiums to raise for the hardworking Joe who legitimately pays for his insurance.
Lankius Maximus said:
Guys,
Sorry to sound obvious but have you tried the jscreenfix app (there is an Android version in the market) or similar in order to make sure the pixels are actually dead and not simply stuck? If they are stuck this should repair it. I ran their software via my PS3 after picking up a couple of stuck pixels on my LCD TV and it worked wonders.
Not promising anything but it must be worth ago before resorting to taking it apart/ sending it back. From the comments you do have to let it run a while and maybe on a few occasions, however it should certainly help with coloured pixels (ie green)
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Glad to hear jscreenfix helped your problem but...
DaMastachief said:
I already tried JScreenFix and another app from the market to fix it and had my phone running on it for more than an hour. But unfortunately this didn't fix anything.
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Hello Folks,
sorry for not being able to answer quicker, but I came back late from work and couldn't access the site due to overload until now.
My dealer called me back and I explained everything to him and also told him that I won't send it in for repair again as I had a nightmare with him already with my Hero. He spoke to his boss, called me back and told me that they will make an exemption and change my phone. I am getting a brand new one, I am really excited and very happy and satisfied.
On the other hand I hope that this pixel issue won't happen again.
Lucky me I always keep everything in the package and take care about my gadgets very nicely. I already did a reset, cleaned it and put everything in order into the package like I got it.
I also don't do any insurance fraud and I am also exaggerating on the phone, but tbh honest guys: You can say whatever you want and try whatever is possible, but those guys at the HTC hotline don't give jack **** about your problems. Their answer is always the same and their flexibility in terms of problem solving is literally zero.
About that JScreenFix, I think it might work with stuck/coloured pixels. But dead black pixels can't be repaired with it. The program seems to cycle and cycle through all colours and tries to somehow calibrate the screen/pixels again. But dead pixels seem to be dead. At least that's what I can say about trying it and another application from the market.
But I will definitely check my phone very closely tomorrow upon receipt and will also do this in the future, because it takes like 1% of the time I need compared to waiting in line at any hotline.
Thanks again for all the hints and also for the link how to take it apart. Tbh I got a bit too much respect to do this and also because my phone is 14 days old and got 11,5 months warranty.
Wish me luck that the new one will be flawless and without any problems.
Cheers!
After reading this thread I decided to look and found one , it is purple so does that mean Jscreenfix should hopefully work?
Jscreenfix is absolutely bullsh*t in my opinion. Mine is definitely 2 stuck pixels as they are coloured red and blue, not black... But running it for more than an hour and not helping really makes my hopes dashed...
Well, I sat on the A7 and now my screen is broken.
I have e-mailed the company to ask about getting it fixed. but I'm not sure if they offer any kind of repair service at this point. I will await their reply (most liklely won't hear back till monday)
Does anyone know if/where I can get a replacement/compatable screen. If worst come to worst I will endeavor to fix it my self.
Any ideas???...
I'd be extremely interested in you attempting to put a higher res LCD on there...
I don't think that would work without some kinds og kernal hacking/modding, and that's something I can't do.
So unless someone can confirm otherwise or supply a kernal that would work, i'll stick with the stock res.
I'm hoping eLocity/Stream TV will be able to fix it. Just flashed it back to stock, just in case I have to ship it back for repair. I can still see a bit of the right side of the screen thankfully.
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Well, I sat on the A7 and now my screen is broken.
I have e-mailed the company to ask about getting it fixed. but I'm not sure if they offer any kind of repair service at this point.
Does anyone know if/where I can get a replacement/compatable screen. If worst come to worst I will endeavor to fix it my self.
Any ideas???...
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Some credit cards, like Mastercard and Visa, provide protection against accidental breakage for a period of time after purchase (maybe 30 days?). Worth giving them a call...
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Some credit cards, like Mastercard and Visa, provide protection against accidental breakage for a period of time after purchase (maybe 30 days?). Worth giving them a call...
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Humm... I'll have to look into it. Thanks.
Not going to get my hopes up though....
Well, I still haven't heard anything back from eLocity/Stream TV. I e-mailed them again yesterday.
I got it using by debit card so that won't offer any coverage.
Still have no clue as to how to find a replacement screen.
My screen is wonky, and I didn't sit on mine. I had been using it 5 days, it charged while sitting on a couch overnight, I turned it on in the morning and the screen has a vertical line and an slightly tilted line down the screen and a it's all jumbled. There is no damage to the plastic anywhere, and I have no idea what could have caused it, it was working great the night before. I contacted Elocity twice by their site and twice by phone, and they still haven't responded to set up a return. On the phone they recommended returning with TigerDirect, who I bought it from. After describing the problem to them, I'm now attempting to exchange it with TD. We'll see how this goes...
Well eLocity customer service really stinks.
I e-mailed them twice to find out if I could get my broken screen repaired. I have not gotten a reply in three weeks plus. I called them and was told Tech support would contact me with in 48 hours (work hours), I have not heard back in nearly a week and a half.
It's a shame because it a decent tablet.
I heard u!
That's why I returned this Junk!
I recently purchased a Samsung Omnia 7 online from someone who had won the phone in a competition held by optus.
It came with the proof of winning and it was all sealed, no issues at all with the transaction.
The phone works great, but it has a dead pixel right in the middle of the screen. It's small but it's annoying now that I've noticed it and lets face it, who wants to start getting dead pixels with their new phone.
I asked the person it says to contact on this letter with any problems and they said to return it to the store where it was won from (And I'm very far away from there since it's in Queensland) and they will start the repair procedure.
That's not really an option, it would be such a hassle to ship it back to the guy I bought it from and get him to do all the work. Plus it would take me a month to get my phone back between it being away for repair and then being sent back to be again.
I called Samsung and I have the option to send it to service centers in Sydney, but the guy from Samsung said it might not be worth it because it may have to be several pixels in order to be repaired/replaced.
I looked around and couldn't really find solid answers for mobile phone dead pixel policies.
Is it worth sending back or am I going to have to live with this?
It's a real disappointed, and although it's one pixel, this will say something about how Samsung cares about their customer and quality of product to me.
If I don't walk away happy, I won't be going Samsung again.
Anyway, to send it for repair or not too? Is Samsung going to care about one pixel? I don't want to do it, if it will be a waste of time.
Hmm... I don't know about samsung repair policy, but I think that for phone screens 1 dead pixel is enugh to be repaired. For monitors and TV there need to be more... more than 10 I think but for a phone... I really don't know, if the guy from Samsung says that it will not be replaced than it probobly won't. Try calling again and hope that another person will answer not the same guy and ask him/her about their return/replace policy, how many dead pixels need to be there on a PHONE screen. You should also specify that it's a super AMOLED screen and wich phone model it is.
Anyway, it's not only Samsung, every other phone manufactures are nearly the same.
i had a dead pixel on my old school omnia (i900) on the bottom left corner of my screen. I sent it to the samsung repair centre and they replaced the screen for me!
So good luck with your quest
The international standard for dead/bright pixels is from 3 to 6 dots, no matter what size screens, but companies have there own policies, I know hong kong samsung has 3 whether it's a phone or a screen on a TV/monitor, so i imagine it's the same around the world, like wise apple has a 0 dead pixel on the iphone, but 3-5 on notebooks to over 7-10 on desktop monitors (i think, seen it mention somewhere), although apple doesnt state it, it's just for staff and internal referrences.
correct me if i'm wrong.
To the OP,
Try this link: http://www.samsung.com/au/support/location/serviceLocator.do?page=SERVICE.LOCATION
When my antenna died, I popped in to my local repair centre and they had it fixed within 3 days, all on warranty. It may be worth calling them first if your nearest one is a long way.
Doing it this way means you can avoid going through the shop you bought it from and deal directly with Samsung (who don't care where you bought it, as long as it's in warranty).
Hey fellow 7.7 owners,
I just received my RMA authorization from Negri Electronics this afternoon after sending several emails back and forth with their support staff. Bad news I'm afraid...They have said that the turn around time AFTER they receive my tablet in their warehouse will be 3-4 weeks!! This all started shortly after I received my tablet in the mail from them on February 7th. I was happy and content with my purchase and only found one dead pixel at first glance in the upper middle portion of my screen that was visible with any white or lighter background and shows up as a black or red dead pixel at pretty much any screen. So after discovering this one obvious dead pixel I downloaded the Screen Test app from the Android market and discovered that in actuality I have 6 dead pixels all around the screen depending on the background color. The obvious one at the top (can see in almost any app such as the browser, email and so on), two on a blue screen, and finally three on a red screen. As you can imagine I was stunned to find so many pixels that are bad on such a new tablet and with such a gorgeous screen! I have taken pictures of all the bad pixels with my camera and sent those along to Negri with one of my support emails. In addition to these bad pixels I also have the issue with the dark circles that I can only assume come from the manufacturing process when the suction cups are holding the screen in place for assembly. There are also lighter grey streaks at the low brightness level with a black background that can be viewed during the night when there is no ambient light in the room, like when reading or viewing the screen during transition for animations. I believe others have also mentioned the flickering that can be seen with a darker blue background (possibly other dark colors) on the tablet, It reminds me of the older CRT monitors or old tube TV's when they are refreshing the image. I can see this "flickering or streaking" quite easily at night while viewing images in bed or watching a movie with a blue background.
So I guess after all my detailed nitpicking my question for you all would be what would you do in this situation? I really do love this tablet and the form factor. Besides these issues that I have experienced on my tablet I have absolutely enjoyed using the tablet every day Iv'e had it. I just feel like for $550+ investment I shouldn't have to deal with so many display issues when that is the very reason I spent so much more on this tablet in the first place. I also appreciate Negri reaching out and attempting to resolve the issue but with the correspondence I have had thus far and having attached the RMA info I received today below can't be sure what kind of service or replacement I may get and then I will be without my tablet for at least a month! I really wish I could deal directly with Samsung USA and get my unit replaced by them but completely understand why that is not possible at this time. I'm guessing they are giving a 3-4 week turn around back to them because the Samsung Repair Facility is most likely overseas, either in Hong Kong or possibly the UK? Not sure about that one. I wouldn't think that the 7.7 could be repaired or replaced by any Samsung facility here in the US yet. Anyway, any suggestions or ideas you guys my have would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Hello,
Thank you for contacting Negri Electronics. We received your RMA request in regards to this unit. We will need to have the unit in the warehouse in order to complete the evaluation. We received your reports in regards to the dead pixels and in this case the unit will need to be sent into the Samsung repair facility. We will need to complete the brief evaluation once the unit arrives. Then we can proceed with the repair process. If you have any questions feel free to contact us. Thank you.
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^ Above was the original estimate assuming that I would be requesting a repair through Negri by Samsung for the defective screen. Since we found that I had more than 6 Dead Pixels we processed the return as an exchange for a new tablet and I have had my RMA approved today and the replacement is in transit. I wanted to be clear that Negri provided excellent customer service to me and processed my return very professionally.
I too sent my Gtab 7.7 back to Negri for issues with Grey discoloration. I called today making sure they received my unit, they confirmed they got it Thursday. I asked about the supposed 10-12 days for evaluation and the rep thought with my issue they should have an answer next week.
On my RMA i requested a Exchange not repair. If they tell me turn around to get my exchange is gonna take 3-4 weeks. I will ask for just a refund, as i would suggest to you. I also suggest you call and see instead of them repairing your unit, maybe ask for an exchange. I hope they don't try and tell me they want to send it off and not exchange...I have a feeling they might try this.
I'll respond back on Monday, see what they tell me.
That sounds like a very long turn around period, maybe you should get your money back and just wait for local stocks to arrive?
Also since you mentioned that you notice flicker, Im wondering whats causing this on OLEDs, one of the 7.7's I tried yesterday showed a very visible flicker when displaying the green screen test or the screen shot of the green screen test in the gallery.
Thanks for the responses...
Hey guys,
Thanks for your input. I have replied back to the RMA request with my intention to exchange preferably or refund if that is not possible. I really do not want to wait a month to have the unit repaired when I have so many issues with the screen and then not be sure what kind of condition the tablet would be in when I get the replacement. I wish I could just deal with the issues but there are so many it seems on my screen I can't look past them when I think how much I paid for the 7.7 in the first place. Guess we shall see what happens now.
Kyle
Update from Negri today is that they are working with me to get a replacement or refund instead of sending off to Samsung for repairs. They are certainly going out of their way to make sure the issue is solved. Props to the customer support department for excellent communication. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't leaving any doubt in Negri's business practice as they have proved thus far too be very helpful in this unfortunate circumstance. I'm sending the tablet back to them Monday morning and will update with the status after I get the initial evaluation complete.
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This is the usual problem with purchasing goods that are not officially distributed in your country yet... I tried n the past and I won't again
I love the 7.7 but will wait for it to be distributed in the US (And hopefully ICS will be around the corner at that time)
Thank You
Thank you all for your comments.
The process does take time because we need to work with the manufacturer who manufactured the "defective" product. Their timeline is longer than ours, however we have direct contact with most. So returning to us and having us to the leg-work would be better than the customer going directly to the manufacture. Going directly with the manufacture can take 10-12 weeks as we have experienced in the past. We do our best to provide a quick turn around time for you - however we can only promise you what we are promised by the manufacturer.
Please understand that we do not manufacture these items. Many RMA's come through "demanding" replacements and fast service. We always do our best, but ask that you always treat us with respect (unrelated to the above posts) - and understand that issues such as these are not our fault, but we will do our best to make sure you are satisfied with the results.
Negri has good customer service. But regarding the dead pixel issue, i have better experience with Expansys where they simply ship out a replacement once the defective one is received and confirmed. Then they will deal with the manufacturing for the faulty unit. Not to say one vendor is better than another in general, but to point out different vendor has different policy and way of handling these kind of things.
kflanegan said:
Update from Negri today is that they are working with me to get a replacement or refund instead of sending off to Samsung for repairs. They are certainly going out of their way to make sure the issue is solved. Props to the customer support department for excellent communication. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't leaving any doubt in Negri's business practice as they have proved thus far too be very helpful in this unfortunate circumstance. I'm sending the tablet back to them Monday morning and will update with the status after I get the initial evaluation complete.
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I too have spoken with Negri, they are currently evaluating my Tablet. I appreciate they actually jumped on this thread to respond. I guess there's no way around the 6-12 day evaluation period, as I've called after 5 days (still being evaluated). There customer service is easy to work with, I just want them to understand I aint waiting for a repair, I want a exchange or refund.
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I too have spoken with Negri, they are currently evaluating my Tablet. I appreciate they actually jumped on this thread to respond. I guess there's no way around the 6-12 day evaluation period, as I've called after 5 days (still being evaluated). There customer service is easy to work with, I just want them to understand I aint waiting for a repair, I want a exchange or refund.
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Thanks for the update Aaron! My tablet is in transit and scheduled for delivery on Monday. I'm hoping for a 1-2 week turn around. I'm having withdraws already... ;-) I too am hoping for a new exchange foremost and a refund otherwise so I can decide what to do next. Good luck with your return. Keep us updated...
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I got the results of my evaluation...
Hello,
Thank you for your patience in regards to your RMA. At this time the RMA evaluation has been completed on your unit. Our team has evaluated your unit extensively to see if they can find the display issue. After testing the unit our RMA team was unable to notice any grayish streaking on the display. They advised us that they tested the unit on "0" brightness and with the white background, both landscape and portrait mode and were not able to see any defect. They also advise us they had to create a customer background to ensure there was no defect. Again, no defect was noticed with the display. These are Super Amoled displays and will be noticeable to see any streaking on the display, as you stated on the lowest brightness levels. We did receive notification from our customer service representatives that you would like a refund on this unit, in this case we can proceed with a refund minus a 12% re-stoking fee based on the usage and time out. This will be the minimal re-stocking fee that can be applied towards this refund. We can also have this unit shipped back to you at no additional costs. Please review these details and contact us on how you would like to proceed. Thank you.
Well 12% is around $75.00 and since after shoping around i cant find anything to match this wonderful tablet, Im gonna keep it.
Looks like im gonna have to settle at never turning my brightness completely down.
good luck KFLAN!
aaronv20 said:
I got the results of my evaluation...
Well 12% is around $75.00 and since after shopping around I can't find anything to match this wonderful tablet, I'm gonna keep it.
Looks like I'm gonna have to settle at never turning my brightness completely down.
good luck KFLAN!
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Thanks Aaron for your evaluation results, also sorry to hear that you won't be receiving a replacement unit for your issues. My 7.7 arrived this morning at their warehouse so I hope to hear something later this week. I was seriously debating sending mine back before I started the process because I loved everything else with the tablet other than the dead pixels I saw whenever I used it. Some things you just can't un-see and that was my problem. I hope you do enjoy your tablet and agree with your decision to keep it. $75 is a big hit only a few weeks after purchase on a premium product such as the 7.7. I hope that my dead pixels are as obvious to Negri as they were to me in my tests and usage.
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@aaronv20
IIRC, you did post an image on the screen feedbacks thread right and it was quite visible unless I've mistaken you from someone else. I cant believe they cant see it.
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@aaronv20
IIRC, you did post an image on the screen feedbacks thread right and it was quite visible unless I've mistaken you from someone else. I cant believe they cant see it.
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yup, I did post a screen image, on the screen issues thread. There main issue was that since the tab would probably not fall under the Samsung warranty then they would be able to deem it a manufacture issue. Its sucks but at least i dont have any other issues (dead pixels, etc). They did mention that i have a 1 year warranty so if it becomes worst then I could handle the issue then...Im really trying to look on the bright side, and put it out of mind, cause all it will do is frustrate the crap out of me..
I dont understand why they cant see it, the very small grey streak on my Tablet was even visible to the technician who diagnosed my tab even though I didnt tell him about it.
Follow up on Negri RMA
I received word today that my RMA request for exchange has been approved and my replacement unit has been shipped out from Negri's warehouse this afternoon. My returned tablet arrived on Monday 2/27 and I followed up on Wed to make sure the tablet arrived as I had shipped and to receive an update on the RMA process. I worked with Sergio Mendez throughout the return, he was very helpful and excellent in communicating any updates from their end. I would certainly not hesitate to recommend Negri Electronics to anyone in the future and they have dealt with my problem with a sense of urgency and a very professional manner.
Many thanks to Sergio and the whole team at Customer Service for all their help! I am scheduled to receive my new unit next Thursday the 8th. I'll report back after I have set the new 7.7 up and report my findings on my replacement unit.
Sounds great that you've been given a replacement, we await for your findings and hopefully you can get a great screen. Keep us posted Im interested as well!
Sooo, I couldnt make it a week. I cant stand staring at this discolored screen. I have re submitted some more photos of my defective screen to Sergio at Negri. I hope he and his superiors can see this is not a "common" problem but a manufacture defect. If there RMA evaluators cant see this issue, there are some serious issues with their eyesight! Negri Customer service has been great , however i cant just except this as a non issue. Negri customer service, feel free to comment...or better yet email me asap. Yall agree? (white out personal info in photos, sorry)
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Sooo, I couldn't make it a week. I can't stand staring at this discolored screen. I have re submitted some more photos of my defective screen to Sergio at Negri. I hope he and his superiors can see this is not a "common" problem but a manufacture defect. If there RMA evaluators can't see this issue, there are some serious issues with their eyesight! Negri Customer service has been great , however I can't just except this as a non issue. Negri customer service, feel free to comment...or better yet email me asap. Y'all agree? (white out personal info in photos, sorry)
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Aaron,
I agree with you on the discoloration. I can certainly see it in your provided photos. Sergio worked very well with me on my exchange and when we spoke on the phone he seemed very helpful and like a nice guy. I hope your experience will serve a better outcome this go around and understand your frustration! I would also consider going the Samsung route if you run into the same issue going through with the second return. Who knows how their process runs but unfortunately I would guess the waiting period could be much longer seeing as how the 7.7 isn't sold except by Verizon in the US as of now, as far as they would be concerned....
Anyway, I've been anxiously awaiting my exchange by FedEx. It should arrive sometime tomorrow and then I'll be giving my new model the inspection to see if I faired better this time. The tracking info hadn't updated at all since the package left Phoenix, AZ on Friday and I was beginning to get worried it was lost in transit until magically it arrived in Ellenwood, GA just this morning. I guess it arrived there via bike messenger to account for the long delay in updates for so many days...haha. It always seems to drag the longest when you are really looking forward to receiving something though. ;-) Have a good day man, I'll cross my fingers for you.
Kyle
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*Update on my replacement wifi 7.7... I received the exchanged GT-P6810 yesterday afternoon and after a 2 hour initial charge was ready to dive right in. First thing I did after set up was download 3 solid backgrounds. One white, one red and lastly blue. Then I opened the backgrounds full screen in the gallery and found absolutely zero dead pixels or any obvious defects. The only thing I have noticed thus far is the circles and lines on a black screen at zero ambient light. Although I'm almost positive there aren't any units that wouldn't display those in the same lighting conditions. Seems to be a product of the manufacturing process. Anyway, I'm certainly satisfied so far and love my new unit. I want to give Negri another shout out for their awesome customer service and in particular Sergio for his excellent communication throughout the process. I was without my tab for 2 or 3 weeks but it's certainly worth the wait to get a new replacement with none of the major issues. I'll be active on the forums and see you guys and girls around.
Oh btw, set up go launcher HD last night from their beta page and this thing flies with that launcher and looks great!
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