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Forum etiquette rant!

This has been winding me up for a while. I don't post too often but read alot and there are many MANY users who quote an entire previous post to reply.
They even do it on the second post in a thread. Its not like anyone is thinking you're talking to someone else.
USE QUOTING FOR WHAT IT IS INTENDED FOR!!!
Rant over
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I agree.
Or at least shorten the quote if you think it's important to post it.

MarkyG82 said:
This has been winding me up for a while. I don't post too often but read alot and there are many MANY users who quote an entire previous post to reply.
They even do it on the second post in a thread. Its not like anyone is thinking you're talking to someone else.
USE QUOTING FOR WHAT IT IS INTENDED FOR!!!
Rant over
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Wotchutalkinaboutwillis?

Intratech said:
Wotchutalkinaboutwillis?
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I don't know what he is talking about either, Intratech...

MarkyG82 said:
This has been winding me up for a while. I don't post too often but read alot and there are many MANY users who quote an entire previous post to reply.
They even do it on the second post in a thread. Its not like anyone is thinking you're talking to someone else.
USE QUOTING FOR WHAT IT IS INTENDED FOR!!!
Rant over
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cicer0 said:
I agree.
Or at least shorten the quote if you think it's important to post it.
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Intratech said:
Wotchutalkinaboutwillis?
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t1mman said:
I don't know what he is talking about either, Intratech...
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AHHHHHHHH!!! can't stand the pointless quotes, I think the quote buttons should actually be removed from the forum.....

Ok maybe I walked into that one
Im glad im not the only one.
Do we think its bad enough to come up with some sort of rule?
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MarkyG82 said:
Ok maybe I walked into that one
Im glad im not the only one.
Do we think its bad enough to come up with some sort of rule?
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Nope!
I don't even think it's bad... the quot is in a different color, pretty easy to spot and "not read"

This kind of quoting is totally redundant and a waste of space. It makes threads longer and difficult to read.
You really should quote only the most relevant parts where it clarifies your answer, marking omitted parts with "(...)"

I'd rather people quote entire posts than not at all.. There are some people who jump into a thread and respond to significantly older posts without reference.
I'm more concerned that the number of people who are inventing their own outrageous claims (without evidence) and trying to shove it down others throats aren't even being told off by mods. It is effectively degrading the quality of discussions, because trolls win either way. With some of these trolls, some threads get closed because of flamewars, and there is no way to dispute their claims without causing one (some of the trolls are wrong).
Not going to name people, but for instance, there is at least one GPS "expert" going around thread to thread stating that Google maps is faulty and that the GPS is flawless. He is causing a flamewar on EVERY thread because he hasn't actually proven that it is faulty, yet, mods aren't warning him, requiring that he provides accurate evidence as requested by those in the community, and because it's clear he hasn't actually done sufficient research, there is simply insufficient information to make the claims

Samga said:
. It makes threads longer and difficult to read.
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thats my main rant reason.

MarkyG82 said:
This has been winding me up for a while. I don't post too often but read alot and there are many MANY users who quote an entire previous post to reply.
They even do it on the second post in a thread. Its not like anyone is thinking you're talking to someone else.
USE QUOTING FOR WHAT IT IS INTENDED FOR!!!
Rant over
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We need quotes, just makes it easier to spot and understand the poster if they are replying to someone specifically (question, opinion etc) otherwise it seems that they are talking to themselves. Quotes are shown in a different color so there is no need to read it if you don't want to, pretty easy to spot.
On the subject of second posts. You should quote the person if your indeed replying to the OP's opinion, question etc otherwise it might seem that your asking for something else. Quoting, if done correctly, just makes it easier to read and follow a forum topic but each to their own I s'pose.

MarkyG82 said:
thats my main rant reason.
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The thing is darker, just don't read it!
As for the speed, is your mouse wheel that hard? And if you're on a smartphone, your finger will get all muscular and powerfull, pretty sure your girlfrind will enjoy!

Billus said:
On the subject of second posts. You should quote the person if your indeed replying to the OP's opinion, question etc otherwise it might seem that your asking for something else. Quoting, if done correctly, just makes it easier to read and follow a forum topic but each to their own I s'pose.
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Your first point here does not make sense. Surely if its a second post in a thread it is obvious who and what you are replying to. The reason you are posting is to reply to something above so just following the conversation flow.
I agree with the second point. Quotes used in the right context are indeed useful.
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t1mman said:
And if you're on a smartphone, your finger will get all muscular and powerfull, pretty sure your girlfrind will enjoy!
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LOL :-D
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it would be the best thing to have a forum option to expand quotes automatically or to display them in a collapsed view.

appelflap said:
it would be the best thing to have a forum option to expand quotes automatically or to display them in a collapsed view.
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Or even a half-collapsed view.
So show a maximum of 5 lines of the quote (and hide an images), and then have a "expand to see full quote".
Then there is still quick access to the complete context, things are clean, and the flow of conversation is maintained.

You guys are coming up with some great ideas. Maybe the development of this app could include it in an update?
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I'd just like to raise this subject again due to the ever growing community here.
I find the problem is increasing to the extent that someone will post a long and valid post only to have someone quote the whole thing and put a +1 at the end.
Can we find another way to agree with people other than taking up huge amounts of space?
Maybe start the quote with a couple of lines, then ... to show it continues.
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MarkyG82 said:
[...] I find the problem is increasing to the extent that someone will post a long and valid post only to have someone quote the whole thing and put a +1 at the end.
Can we find another way to agree with people other than taking up huge amounts of space?
Maybe start the quote with a couple of lines, then ... to show it continues.
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+1
You're right. There's a thanks button it's not really the intended use but if you agree with someone why not just thank him?
That's certainly better than the "quote all +1" approach
something other about form etiquette:
If you don't have anything useful and constructive to say: shut up
I'm getting tired of cynical replies to people who just desperately need help.
Seriously, if you're in a bad mood or find that question particularly stupid you don't have to answer.
Hating on others just ruins the mood for everyone....

Rant "on behalf of" the Devs here...

Guys. Chill out with the pushing for AOSP, CM, and others to push out a GB ROM. It is completely inappropriate, and disrespectful to what everyone here has done for the community. I'm beyond sick of seeing frantic posts left and right about how "ZOMG I AM DYING FOR GB!!!!1111oneoneone" et al.
Enough is enough, please. and no, nobody asked me to post this... I'm simply fed up with that nonsense polluting threads left and right when the devs are people just like you and me. It's an insult to their talent, time, and efforts.
/soapbox
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I second eliseexige. We all want Gingerbread and, yes, most of our devs work wonders when it comes to building ROMs but we must have petience. Devs aren't magicians, they are normal human beings, most of which have jobs.
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Did you have to create a whole new thread for this? It was already said many times in the AospMod thread..

igtheactt1 said:
Did you have to create a whole new thread for this? It was already said many times in the AospMod thread..
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Not everyone has the time to scour through thread AOSPmod thread. This is much more obvious.
I agree completely with OP!

Yea your right... but still it's even in the wrong section... lol but whatever it is what it is...

yeah, i did. read the thread,both actually by AOSP. it's insanity. enough is enough. the point is made, so that is that i suppose...
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I agree with the OP to some degree. Also, for all those who use the ROMs, I think that donations should be a no-brainer. However, I don't think its wrong to ask for news, we are all excited about the ROMS and are constantly checking the forums for them. I just don't see the harm in asking (demanding is one thing).

nebke said:
I agree with the OP to some degree. Also, for all those who use the ROMs, I think that donations should be a no-brainer. However, I don't think its wrong to ask for news, we are all excited about the ROMS and are constantly checking the forums for them. I just don't see the harm in asking (demanding is one thing).
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There's no harm, but it's relatively pointless to ask, since rarely are there ETAs for them. Plus, it makes reading through threads to be a bit of a chore when it gets constantly bumped with people asking "When is this coming out?!?!" (also it must be really annoying for the devs).

igtheactt1 said:
Yea your right... but still it's even in the wrong section... lol but whatever it is what it is...
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It may be in the wrong section - but it does get noticed more here. It caught my attention!

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the only rule of Cyanogenmod should be a law.
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I hope all of the devs come into this thread and pat you on the back. Yay for you!!

kbizzle said:
I hope all of the devs come into this thread and pat you on the back. Yay for you!!
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There's no way to say thanks to devs like posting in the wrong section.

I agree with the OP. Don't like waiting? Make ur own rom. Don't like a post? Really don't care. Enjoy the things that u get, instead of beefing about things u don't have. Enjoy.
MJK

I want a swiss colony beef log.
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eliseexige said:
Guys. Chill out with the pushing for AOSP, CM, and others to push out a GB ROM. It is completely inappropriate, and disrespectful to what everyone here has done for the community. I'm beyond sick of seeing frantic posts left and right about how "ZOMG I AM DYING FOR GB!!!!1111oneoneone" et al.
Enough is enough, please. and no, nobody asked me to post this... I'm simply fed up with that nonsense polluting threads left and right when the devs are people just like you and me. It's an insult to their talent, time, and efforts.
/soapbox
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Lol thank you xda police we are glad YOU are the voice of the people *sarcasm*
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I have actively not been working on Gingerbread.
I have yet to set up 64bit for it.
I have instead spent the entire weekend in an awesome coma due to multiple alcoholic beverages.
I did pass my finals though. It was great.
Tomorrow, I set up 64bit MM.
Ok.
Now someone move this post to general.

Decad3nce said:
I have actively not been working on Gingerbread.
I have yet to set up 64bit for it.
I have instead spent the entire weekend in an awesome coma due to multiple alcoholic beverages.
I did pass my finals though. It was great.
Tomorrow, I set up 64bit MM.
Ok.
Now someone move this post to general.
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You've done plenty of work, you deserved that coma
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hey eliseexige, i wanted to let u know i hit the thanks button for ur post. and to everyone who has been pestering CM and AOSP, STOP. ik u r every excited for GB, believe me, i am too. you shouldnt ask them for eta's, u should be satisfied with the fact that THEY ARE working on it and be thankful that they are wasting their time to bring the world (people they dont even know) a 100% working ROM for FREE.

brokentoaster24 said:
You've done plenty of work, you deserved that coma
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Quoting that in my sig, its just too good to pass up.

decad3nce said:
i have actively not been working on gingerbread.
I have yet to set up 64bit for it.
I have instead spent the entire weekend in an awesome coma due to multiple alcoholic beverages.
I did pass my finals though. It was great.
Tomorrow, i set up 64bit mm.
Ok.
Now someone move this post to general.
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:d now this i like :d

Public apology

i apologize to any and everyone whose work i have used without getting your permission first i truely truely am sorry. i will be taking everything down that i have posted on xda that has other's work without them giving me permission to use it. and even once i ask them and they deny permission i will be taking the uploads down after that as well. again i'm sorry
as for everyone's comments about my HUGE MISTAKE I'M SORRY ABOUT....
LiquidSolstice said:
I never gave anyone permission to do this. You didn't ask me, you told me after the fact. I was planning on letting guitardoc take over, but this is just unacceptable.
Please take this down.
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i did post a comment on your thread asking you to pm me but you never did and i got impatient and hyped up about things and i just rushed things and posted finished stable builds of your rom without your permission thinking things would be okay if i emphisized 3x on the thread i didn't do anything but finish your rom all credit goes to you for all other work. but again i went about things the wrong way i wasn't trying to take full credit for your rom i thought i made that clear in the first post but i guess saying it 3x still isn't the right way to go about things, glad to see we're working things out (btw everyone check out the title of his thread now ) for the better now bro! so i'd like to say this publicly, SORRY FOR USING YOUR ROM WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION LIQUID! (i wanted to say that on the forum so everyone saw lol ) do you accept my appology liquid? (impaler please ____ , you know what we talked about, after liquid post his reply)
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Uh-oh!
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I know i made a big uh oh!
LiquidSolstice said:
Let's get something straight here, because it seems you're all offended right now. You can stop fishing for pity or sympathy, because I have none for you.
"help" would have been PMing me what you tried to do, I could test it, and if it works, the links would get posted on the ORIGINAL thread with full credit to you. Hell, I would have put a goddamn donate button right next to links to you. That's how proper crediting goes. I credit with permission every single person who has tested or fixed something for me with the ROM, and that would not have been any different.
Instead, without telling me, you copied my thread, put up a modified version of my ROM, and told me only AFTER the fact that you did so.
You have some INSANE issues with understanding permission and crediting, and as I understand it, this isn't your first time. It doesn't matter if you put my name in 72 BOLD pt in this thread, you never asked me and you posted a whole damn new thread for it. That's just not ok.
If you really want to be "omg super-hero dev", you need to start earning your fellow dev's respect, and right now, that's not working out for you.
If you're still interested in being credited for this, PM me with the download links, I'll check them out, and if they are ok, I'll put it in my original 2.1.1 thread with full credit to you. That's how it works.
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i really want to earn my fellow dev's respect but i keep screwing up i'm sorry again bro. and i'm reading the forum rules about crediting as we speak right now.
laie1472 said:
LMAO I gotta post on this. Sup kifno man?? How can you post take down jasonmaloney and i's rom??? When in the op man you don't give him credit for anything. You state you have finished up ls's rom not jasonmaloney and you. And come on kifno you didn't even ask the man could you work on his rom??? Wow impressive.
Yea its me Again With the
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no i asked to take down jasonmaloney's build and my build (two seperate things) b/c we both posted our build's on liquid's thread without his permission.....which was a big no no....but i made things worse by making a seperate thread....again sorry liquid. so there was no need to credit jasonmaloney, laie i know i messed up big time smh stupid move on my part
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Not that it matters much, but his ROMs and jasonmaloney's are separate. jasonmaloney just put his in Liquid's original 2.1.1 thread here.
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exactly what i was saying about taking down our build's....
LiquidSolstice said:
At least jasonmaloney did not try to make a brand new thread about it. He would have asked me ahead of time, as a proper dev should.
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again i asked ahead of time on the thread but no reply but i did screw things up worse by making this thread again sorry....
il Duce said:
this is EXACTLY what I was talking about in the NFX rom that you put up as your own, you are officially a KANGAHOLIC, and people have been and should be banned for it. Every thread you posts seems to be less about development and more about popularity, you even say **** like "my rom" which you could only REALLY say if you built it from google source, which you obviously can't do. I sincerely hope liquid reported you to the Scotsman, and appropriate action is taken. you = sick. me = sickened.
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i said in my rom's thread that it was based of nfx rom and i gave him credit, i said what i did. i didn't do what i did with liquid's rom, two completely different things... il Duce ik i screwed up with this rom and again i won't be making any mess ups like this again (me = thinking before my actions from now on xda) sorry
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it's not even as though I would have minded him PMing me first or even do what Jasonmaloney did (posting it as a reply in the original thread )
My rom (I say that very loosely) is based on nfx, but only with full permission from nfinite and on popular request. Even further I credited (with permission ) anyone who helped in testing or debugging, and that is the proper thing to do.
I'm just disappointed. that's the worst of it.
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again my apologies are given to you, do you accept? i know i screwed up big time bro....smh big mistake here
33hfl said:
LS should be out of this and not to be so ofended or asking for any recognition about what someone did when he walked away from his own ROM.He sould thank this guy for finish what he started and never finished after a lot of promess and excuses
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no bro i screwed up...i can't even agree to anything you just said b/c all i wanted to do was help
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oh my god you cannot be serious. smh
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read what i said
33hfl said:
go kifno good work
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good work = yes did i mess up? = HELL YEAH!
FdxRider said:
FORUM RULES12. Using the work of others.
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, you MUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used. If a dispute occurs about who developed / created a piece of work, first try to settle the matter by private message and NOT in open forum. If this fails then you may contact a moderator with clear evidence that the work was created by you.
Convincing evidence will result in copied work being removed. If there is no clear evidence you created the work then in the spirit of sharing all work will remain posted on the forums.
These rules apply to all software posted on XDA unless that software comes with a license that waives these rules.
Seek permission <---- What part of that do you or kifno not understand?
Doesn't matterr if it's been dormant for long time still LS's work. Follow the forum rules.
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i am reading and MEMORIZING the forum rules as of now
dpeeps74 said:
Oh man, I'm team Jacob!
Wait, wrong drama
~run, run, as fast as you can, can't catch me I'm the gingerbread man~
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lol wow
33hfl said:
I dont know why LS is crying right now when he wallked away from his own ROM after a lot of excuses and promises.he turned his back on his own son.He should thank this man for the woderful job done.Or he forgot his post.Kifno never took credit for what he was doing,he always gave it to LS
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i did give credit to him 3x throughout the post and said all i did was finish it as he planned to but i went about it wrong....
FdxRider said:
LMAO u sew funneeeeee! NOT!
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ik that was funny right?
jasonmaloney said:
Again with the hostility.
Folks, there is a report post button on every single post on this site. You would all do better to use it than to fill up the development forum with unnecessary drama.
Yes, it wasn't very smart to use LiquidSolstice's work without his permission AND to start a new thread for it with a misleadingly similar title. But the bickering and harassment isn't any more accepted by the rules, nor is it productive in any constructive way. It doesn't really matter who was originally right or wrong; this forum is getting flooded with way too much verbal diarrhea. This is not the XDA mantra.
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again i apologize for doing what i did to even create this drama....this wouldn't have happened if i did things the correct way....sorry
someonenewhere said:
What's the big deal?
The man gave LS credit and he said it "I'm just finishing what LS COULDN'T FINISH"
LS, if you don't want people to finish your ROM. Maybe YOU SHOULD TRY FINISHING YOUR ROM..
You left your ROM out there as a bastard child and that bastard child found a father to take care of it.
WHY CRY ABOUT IT?
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no no i went about things wrong i take full responsiblity for my mistake...sorry liquid
LiquidSolstice said:
Excellent contribution. It must be nice, sitting there just using other people's work and never really taking the time to find out how it all comes together. I'm sure you must be spoiled and basically taking all these custom ROMs you get for granted as most people seem to these days. Just a quick look at any tech blog concerning Android, and you'll find comments such as "oh I'm not worried, XDA will figure it out". People freeload off this place so willingly, paying nothing in either donation or even respect/appreciation (which is all most devs are looking for)
In the meantime, we'll just go with this; my rom = my rom. Whether or not I want to finish it, or whether or not I want it to be finished, or in this case, wehther or not I want someone else to do it, that would be my choice. I put in the hours, I put in the time, you did nothing.
I left the ROM because no one seemed to give a damn about it, and I'm finding out increasingly that I was very wrong about that. If you looked at Chef Central on the Main XDA Forum page, you'll find a few threads by me asking for help with the last bit of cooking, which was the kernel. I didn't notice that Kifno figured it out, and only realized what I needed to fo when jasonmaloney PMed me. I said I had every intention of making it stable, and I was indeed working on it.
Which means that it is my task and my right to put up the final update to my own ROM, not have someone else do it without even letting me know beforehand or asking me, and then posting my exact thread over again instead of PMing me the link to add it in the OP, and then telling me after the fact.
Kifno has already got in touch with me and we're working it out, you guys can relax now.
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again we talked things out and i'm sorry bro. and yes i may just be improving others work (the espreeso 2.1 rom i posted) and changing things, i never took full credit actually most of it goes to nfx b/c everyday i wake up he has a pm in my inbox helping me out with the espresso 2.1 rom, it wouldn't be where it is at without his help. only thing i can take full credit for is my build.prop's thats the only thing i actually did from my own work as for the espresso 2.1 rom that was from the help of many other members on this site, i never took full credit for that rom. i use the term my rom, when i refer to the espresso 2.1 rom, b/c i changed it, not b/c i developed it from scratch and did everything to it on my own, i'm not a super-dev yet lol. i'm just improving other's work and learning along the way and giving them credit and asking permission along the way from now on until i know enough to make something of my own again (besides text files lol) that will be of great help to the community....but for now i'm focuses on improving my rom (AGAIN IT ISN'T COMPLETELY MY ROM MANY OTHERS HELPED ME ALONG THE WAY) and helping others with their work for the hero and problems....first person on the list....liquid!!!!!! (we're pming each other now folks working this out for the better so its alright)
kevphan08 said:
So.....can we use the Rom or No.....Just seems like it was a mistake by the OP to reuse LS's unfinished work without permission, that obviously was a mistake, but if the rom is up and running and "stable" can we just not forgive and forget?
I'm just wondering, not taking a stance/side just a user asking a question.
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we're working on things right now...

You know what man, you're a smark kid, you just take things a bit fast.
You'll grow to understand what it means to command respect here, and I'm sure you'll earn it from everyone. This place is bursting with ideas and creativity, but just PM ROM devs in the future. Every ROM dev needs help, there's no denying that. Sometimes the help you have to offer isn't enough or isn't to their preference, but there's never any harm in PMing to find out.
As far as my ROM goes, with your help, we'll finish this up and finally put an end to all this over exaggerated madness.

E huuuuuuuuug
[dpeeps74]

I think we all learned something here (I sure did), and that's a positive.

Kifno:
I understand you're trying to help, but make it short and sweet. We don't need a full passive - aggressive rundown of events.
I think you would do a great service to yourself (and the people reading your long disjointed posts) if you learned to use some basic English language sentence structure. Your lack of punctuation and your paragraphs of run-on sentences makes you look uneducated and immature.
You're not a bad person, so please take this as constructive criticism.

Kifno,Way to walk this world in man's shoes! I have the most profound respect for you. Make a mistake and own up to it

FdxRider said:
Kifno,Way to walk this world in man's shoes! I have the most profound respect for you. Make a mistake and own up to it
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I AGREE with FDX.... RESPECT MAN!!
KIFNO, Admitted he was Wrong!!
That's Big in itself!! It's seems these days, People find it SO MUCH EASIER to just LIE, or BULL**** their way through MISTAKES and basically LIFE in general!
Kifno DIDN'T DO THAT! Instead he owned up to his MISTAKES....
"LIKE a MAN" Should do!
After the Fact, at the End of the Day, All that's Left to come to some sort RECONCILIATION is a TRUE from the HEART a APOLOGY!!
*Sent On My*
Fast as its Ever Been...
"Sprint" Hero... Running My, *ExpressoEnergyHero*ROM, KIFNO's Build.Prop.Tweek, & The XDA.BLUE.apk! "Page:10"of My Thread!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957867

Hey kifno
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U no tjsy myvrnhlo
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Wow man great job kifno. It's tough to own up in the face of so many people watching this, you're really just a good person beyond the scope of these forums. I'm proud to call you a fellow human being. I've been watching this escalate and deescalate and I must say it's been a roller coaster ride. I must say some people have been a bit harsher than they should have, but it's understandable when looked at from a different perspective. Kudos to you again.
I'm excited about how the ROM is moving forward at lightning speed right now. Note, LS, that I'm actually using your ROM right now (2.1 stable) and I llllllllooooove it! keep up the good work, I bet it's time-consuming and frustrating to look through and optimize so much code!
~ Jake

Thanks everyone
And I'm not a grammar freak lol I don't treat my post as essays I just type what comes to mind lol that's why my paragraph structure and grammar look bad on the forums just like this very long run on sentence but really constantly working, and school, and keeping 5 roms (mine and ls 4 builds) and my tweak up to date with fixes and new tweaks and optimizations is very time consuming and hard to fit all in one day lol but I just want to help the community and I plan on doing that the right way, LESSON LEARNED HERE, BTW look out for kifno & ls projects in the future

Don't worry about the Grammar police brother. They're pretty tamed here.
Keep up the excellent work! We grow through our mistakes; damn glad you took the initiative. Stay motivated!!!!

Many thanks!!
In the aftermath of all this stuff, I just want to say that truly I appreciate ALL the hard work that you devs put into keeping our Heroes from becoming paperweights. Just the small amount of work I've put into making my own themes for myself makes me appreciate the scope of talent and sheer blood, sweat, and tears it takes to make this stuff work.
ALL YOU DEVS ROCK!!!

oohaylima said:
Don't worry about the Grammar police brother. They're pretty tamed here.
Keep up the excellent work! We grow through our mistakes; damn glad you took the initiative. Stay motivated!!!!
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You forgot a comma between "police" and "brother". You have been warned. The next offence will result in more badgering.
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Lol Ya got me cop'er.

user7618 said:
You forgot a comma between "police" and "brother". You have been warned. The next offence will result in more badgering.
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Lol.... Good **** Guys, Gotta Nice Laugh Outta Me!!
*Sent on My*
Fast as its Ever Been....
"Sprint" Hero.... Running My, *ExpressoEnergyHero* ROM, KIFNO's Build.Prop.Tweek, & The XDA BLUE.apk!! "Page 10" of My Thread!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957867

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You forgot a comma between "police" and "brother". You have been warned. The next offence will result in more badgering.
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Uh oh better watch out for that Guy glad to see everyone getting along and joking with each other

kifno said:
Uh oh better watch out for that Guy glad to see everyone getting along and joking with each other
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Lol, I'm Not Really Sure Why?
But, For Some Reason, It Seems like Some of us Rather Stray Away from the Joking Level, to Instead be Uptight and Insulting!????
Especially when the Majority of us (Members) are Mainly Here to Learn, and Share Knowledge that these ****y Phone Companies Don't want us to Know!!
*Sent on My*
Fast as its Ever Been....
"Sprint" Hero.... Running My, *ExpressoEnergyHero* ROM, KIFNO's Build.Prop.Tweek, & The XDA BLUE.apk!! "Page 10" of My Thread!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957867
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WTMLMK6M
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=US#/profile?user=PMGRANDS

PMGRANDS said:
Lol, I'm Not Really Sure Why?
But, For Some Reason, It Seems like Some of us Rather Stray Away from the Joking Level, to Instead be Uptight and Insulting!????
Especially when the Majority of us (Members) are Mainly Here to Learn, and Share Knowledge that these ****y Phone Companies Don't want us to Know!!
*Sent on My*
Fast as its Ever Been....
"Sprint" Hero.... Running My, *ExpressoEnergyHero* ROM, KIFNO's Build.Prop.Tweek, & The XDA BLUE.apk!! "Page 10" of My Thread!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957867
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WTMLMK6M
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=US#/profile?user=PMGRANDS
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*LIGHTS AND SIRENS*
Sir, I'm here to confiscate your shift key, and for good measure I'll need your caps lock, too. Capital letters are a privilege, not a right. Don't abuse them.
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*LIGHTS AND SIRENS*
Sir, I'm here to confiscate your shift key, and for good measure I'll need your caps lock, too. Capital letters are a privilege, not a right. Don't abuse them.
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lmao! --> extra characters because my message was too short.

ATTENTION PLEASE regarding J.Anderson

hey guys. thought id fill you in on some info then ask for a favour
as you all know j.Anderson is a tremendous pain in the kneck. and has been banned for being one.
however another thread popped where you all speculated its was his second account. the thread was deleted but im here to tell you it was his account.
the reason im telling you this is because now i know he is not beyond making sock-puppets to make stupid posts
so the favour i want to ask is, if you see a post that seem familiar in wording or content. as well as reporting via the correct methods could you also let me know.
weve had this issue before with another user not long before 2.1 was due to be released and i dont want it to happen again
thanks in advance
PiLoT

Will do, chief!

I am absolutely convinced that he is mentally ill, possibly even schizophrenic. I think he really believes that he has some secret or unique knowledge. Some of his posts at talk.sonyericsson.com are even more puzzling.

yeah i agree his posts are nonsensical. i remembered the other user i had trouble with. Its was iHim.

Looks like the neighborhood watch is now in effect! We'll be on the lookout! That goober's posts stick out like a flasher in a trenchcoat at the playground and he's likely in the same state of mind.
Sent From My *Super Fly X10*
If I (or anyone for that matter!) help you, dont be afraid to press THANKS!

Sure, np. And get me a rifel to shoot him as well.
VIPER

Hey guys I found the keys...
I'll post one now and more later..
The first key is... G..G...GG....GEEE UNIIITTTT...
I found it in system/media/music/data
20000211000/5588809
(take that file and unlock the phone)
then open file manager and type this into system/app
*DURR..... AHHH DURRRR*
i'll post more soon once i get online
(just a heads up as to what to look for)

MrHassell said:
I'm saying this because I like the people and the vibe I get from XDA, it really means so much more to me than to ramble.
Please everyone be civil and sensible. Practical and friendly, helpful where possible and if you feel tempted..
Resist
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+1
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OmegaRED^ said:
Seriously dude.. is that your primary mission?
To try make us all look crazy?
You seem like a guy that has a clear different plan from actually helping someone or doing anything good for this forum and now you plan to change your target to me.
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No one made you look crazy... you accomplished that part on your own.
No need to worry though, I think its cute

I'm also on the watch (while the others are sleeping, I'm watching and viceversa).
So please PM me also if you find a similar erratic member.

Mr. Clown said:
I'm also on the watch (while the others are sleeping, I'm watching and viceversa).
So please PM me also if you find a similar erratic member.
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Batman? LOL

Batman is john connor
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Thread cleanup, can everyone stop messing with omegared with no reason. We are discussing about other thing in this thread.
Thanks,

Ok, I will take a look in future threads !

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yeah i agree his posts are nonsensical. i remembered the other user i had trouble with. Its was iHim.
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Oh yes, iHim, I remember... did he not return a few times with names like SEinside or something like that? Pain in the @ss...
Will look and report. I just hope you're not gonna be spammed with reports about threads they BELIEVE to be j.Anderson, while it's just a noob who's looking for help

qwer23 said:
Oh yes, iHim, I remember... did he not return a few times with names like SEinside or something like that? Pain in the @ss...
Will look and report. I just hope you're not gonna be spammed with reports about threads they BELIEVE to be j.Anderson, while it's just a noob who's looking for help
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buddy have you read his posts? none of them have any resemblance to a noob looking for help, they're fairly unique & weird and not in a good way

riginal said:
buddy have you read his posts? none of them have any resemblance to a noob looking for help, they're fairly unique & weird and not in a good way
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lol they remind me of the scribblings in the film "A Beautiful Mind"....
Except for the fact that his mind is not beautiful

riginal said:
buddy have you read his posts? none of them have any resemblance to a noob looking for help, they're fairly unique & weird and not in a good way
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lol I know that, I read his posts. But he seems so helpless to me ^^ If you read his posts it's to me like 'did he even read the last answer or any post in this thread? Did he even use Android once?' I mean, what was that thing with this Office 2k certificates?! Seriously... That's what I meant what reminds me of a noob

aR_ChRiS said:
Batman? LOL
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Yes? Did someone flash the Bat-signal?
Windst said:
Batman is john connor
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No. Batman is Bruce Wayne.

What's so special about cm7?

Just want to know what's the huge buzz about when it comes to cm7 and why its taking so long to finish. Right now I'm acs ics ei22 v3.5 rom and its great so far. But for some reason a lot of people are holding off and waiting for cm7. Just like to know what the big deal is. Other developers are dropping roms left and right and people are still waiting on cm7 I guess it must be something amazing.
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blackdragon79 said:
Just want to know what's the huge buzz about when it comes to cm7 and why its taking so long to finish. Right now I'm acs ics ei22 v3.5 rom and its great so far. But for some reason a lot of people are holding off and waiting for cm7. Just like to know what the big deal is. Other developers are dropping roms left and right and people are still waiting on cm7 I guess it must be something amazing.
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It's stock AOSP, with some modifications.
Nothing special really, but it's the only way we'll ever see Ice Cream Sandwich.

You just wanted to know something that is well documented, so you start a new thread to ask, instead of reading? If you're too lazy to read the CM website and the existing Epic CM thread (mostly the website, though, for the feature list and such), then we're too lazy to hold your hand.
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jnadke said:
It's stock AOSP, with some modifications.
Nothing special really, but it's the only way we'll ever see Ice Cream Sandwich.
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Thanks dude. I wanted to get input on why it's special to certain people. Thanks man.
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blackdragon79 said:
Just want to know what's the huge buzz about when it comes to cm7 and why its taking so long to finish. Right now I'm acs ics ei22 v3.5 rom and its great so far. But for some reason a lot of people are holding off and waiting for cm7. Just like to know what the big deal is. Other developers are dropping roms left and right and people are still waiting on cm7 I guess it must be something amazing.
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First, I apologize for other, more cynical, people lurking in these forums. I know that we grow tired of questions like these, but we were all newbies once and a lot of people just don't understand the concept of patience.
As someone who recently started using CM7 (past two months) I can say that, for me at least, I use it for the speed and simple nature of it. It isn't packed full of things that I don't need right out of the gate, which allows me to customize it as I see fit. First thing I did was install most of the GO applications and all the widgets/apps/games that I've paid for over the past year. On other firmwares I would be down to less than 40MB of space, but with CM7, I still have 299MB left without using the SD card at all for apps.
I'm sure I'll run EI22 for a little while once a stock tar is out, but CM7 has really proven itself to me.
As far as why CM7 is taking so long, the developers have lives of their own. They make no promises and release firmware of their own good will. I think that we're very lucky to have that. The internet and ever quicker releases of things has made us all impatient, what seems like ADHD. We want the next best thing, and we want it now. I suppose that I'm in that boat now too, unfortunately, but I strive not to bug developers who release software for free.
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Just felt like I needed to say that there's no need to be rude and feed the trolls. Ignoring them (and not sinking to a low level) really is the best way.

blackdragon79 said:
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Um you kind of DID ask for his input by asking a question on a public forum...
why don't you grow up??

Jackalo said:
First, I apologize for other, more cynical, people lurking in these forums. I know that we grow tired of questions like these, but we were all newbies once and a lot of people just don't understand the concept of patience.
As someone who recently started using CM7 (past two months) I can say that, for me at least, I use it for the speed and simple nature of it. It isn't packed full of things that I don't need right out of the gate, which allows me to customize it as I see fit. First thing I did was install most of the GO applications and all the widgets/apps/games that I've paid for over the past year. On other firmwares I would be down to less than 40MB of space, but with CM7, I still have 299MB left without using the SD card at all for apps.
I'm sure I'll run EI22 for a little while once a stock tar is out, but CM7 has really proven itself to me.
As far as why CM7 is taking so long, the developers have lives of their own. They make no promises and release firmware of their own good will. I think that we're very lucky to have that. The internet and ever quicker releases of things has made us all impatient, what seems like ADHD. We want the next best thing, and we want it now. I suppose that I'm in that boat now too, unfortunately, but I strive not to bug developers who release software for free.
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Just felt like I needed to say that there's no need to be rude and feed the trolls. Ignoring them (and not sinking to a low level) really is the best way.
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Great response. As far as that one guy I had to go in on I'm going say this if you agree with a post don't troll on it. Now back to you I just really got into rooting and trying roms thanks to xda I may never go back to a stock rom again. My current rom is pretty damn good I may say. I'm looking for a pernament rom to use until I get another phone. So when cm7 is done I may have to give that a test drive
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Jackalo said:
First, I apologize for other, more cynical, people lurking in these forums. I know that we grow tired of questions like these, but we were all newbies once and a lot of people just don't understand the concept of patience.
As someone who recently started using CM7 (past two months) I can say that, for me at least, I use it for the speed and simple nature of it. It isn't packed full of things that I don't need right out of the gate, which allows me to customize it as I see fit. First thing I did was install most of the GO applications and all the widgets/apps/games that I've paid for over the past year. On other firmwares I would be down to less than 40MB of space, but with CM7, I still have 299MB left without using the SD card at all for apps.
I'm sure I'll run EI22 for a little while once a stock tar is out, but CM7 has really proven itself to me.
As far as why CM7 is taking so long, the developers have lives of their own. They make no promises and release firmware of their own good will. I think that we're very lucky to have that. The internet and ever quicker releases of things has made us all impatient, what seems like ADHD. We want the next best thing, and we want it now. I suppose that I'm in that boat now too, unfortunately, but I strive not to bug developers who release software for free.
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Just felt like I needed to say that there's no need to be rude and feed the trolls. Ignoring them (and not sinking to a low level) really is the best way.
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Its forum rules... he was not trolling are you kidding?
Also IB4L
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Styles420 is not a troll.
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austin420 said:
Styles420 is not a troll.
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ac16313 said:
Its forum rules... he was not trolling are you kidding?
Also IB4L
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Thanks for the support, guys - the problem with issues like this is that, in order to be able to follow the rules, one must be able to read them, and if he could do that then he could have read the answer to this same question without re posting it
And if you read his response, it kinda sounds like his frustration is sexual in nature...
blackdragon79 said:
Yes he is was trolling. When you go on threads and post comments that not of any help to subject it's a form of trolling. When people like to say things like use the search button instead of just helping the thread guess what that's also trolling..
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And when people start new threads for old questions that have already been asked and answered?
Don't jump down my throat because you feel foolish for making an ass of yourself. You have two other XDA veterans telling you that the mistake was yours, and you start hurling poorly formed insults... way to prove their point by example
As for the part about saying to search instead of helping the thread... if you search, that is helping the thread. If we just answer the same question each time, it only further encourages people not to search, which hurts the thread. Don't accuse me of not helping until you're willing to do your part to help as well - we call that being a hypocritic
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I've posted a similar thread on this topic a few months ago. I honestly just had no idea what was so special/unique with the Cyanogen project versus AOSP. I even did the research before asking. The information I found didn't really give me an idea of how different the two really are.
I did think styles420 was a bit out of line in his/her reply; however, your response (OP) was completely uncalled for. The OP definitely broke XDA rules of conduct in the reply.
To the OP:
CM About page
There are still some items not working 100%, and therefore it's not production ready yet. It will get there in time. Asking for ETA's of releases is usually frowned upon.
To styles420:
Member rules of conduct for XDA
10. Help others if you can.
If you see posts from others where you can help out, please do. This place exists because people are helping each other, and even if you are relatively new to the matter, there's probably already quite a few people newer than you that would benefit from what you've learned. Don't be shy.
You could have simply ignored this post or pointed the OP in the proper direction for information.

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To styles420:
Member rules of conduct for XDA
10. Help others if you can.
If you see posts from others where you can help out, please do. This place exists because people are helping each other, and even if you are relatively new to the matter, there's probably already quite a few people newer than you that would benefit from what you've learned. Don't be shy.
You could have simply ignored this post or pointed the OP in the proper direction for information.
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I'll admit, I could have been more helpful, but my defense is that it would only encourage him to keep breaking the primary rule to at least try to find the answers before posting. And I may be mistaken, but I think I've seen this guy do this before, so I was under the impression that he'd already used his newb card on this forum and has had the rules pointed out - if we get unlimited second chances, why bother to follow the rules in the first place?
EDIT: I got curious, so I checked - he started two new threads for old questions, one about Siri (search would have brought up Zanderman's Iris thread), and one about a gmail problem that I will admit was harder to find an answer to.
He also asked for an ETA in the EH17 based ACS ICS thread...
OP, just do a little more digging before starting new threads - you're putting your username on the front page of threads, drawing attention both good and bad. It's nothing personal, but if we make exceptions for you, we have to throw the rules out the window to make exceptions for everyone who breaks them.
And calm down with the foul language and childish insults - you'll get more help if you're at least polite when you make a newb mistake
So, truce?
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Very well said, Nikon, you took what I wanted to say and packaged it up neatly and succinctly!
Yes, the OP should have done a bit more research on his own (he's obviously been on XDA a while and should know that's the norm), but I felt that Styles didn't help the situation at all--too often people around here get an elitist attitude toward ignorant folks. As I understand it, XDA is here to expand everyone's knowledge of our phones and therefore people should not explicitly state "Go figure it out." If you don't want to help them / hold their hand, fine, just don't post at all. Styles420, obviously you get tired of people asking redundant questions that they could have found the answer to--I get that. But I get tired of seeing all the smartass, elitist answers that do just as much to clutter up XDA as the ignorant posts.
To the OP: your response was way overboard. It's a free country, I can't tell you not to feel that way, nor can I tell you not to post such things. But I can tell you this: that type of offensive behavior on XDA is a surefire way to have sanctions brought against you. The mods around here don't put up with that sort of thing. I understand your frustration, but XDA is not the place to vent in such a childish, immature way.
/parenting session

This devolved rather quickly.
But to answer the op, CM7 is a highly customizable, low battery consumption version of the Android Open Source Project (ASOP) version of Android.
You have less "for-show" frills, such as Touchwiz and purely aesthetic additions on your stock rom. Battery life is much better and over all experience seems more upbeat from users.
And yes, that guy was trolling, but your response was highly inappropriate OP. Keep that to you and your friends, as in the public, it just questions your maturity.
Good luck and wishes in your future Android adventures.

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I'll admit, I could have been more helpful, but my defense is that it would only encourage him to keep breaking the primary rule to at least try to find the answers before posting. And I may be mistaken, but I think I've seen this guy do this before, so I was under the impression that he'd already used his newb card on this forum and has had the rules pointed out - if we get unlimited second chances, why bother to follow the rules in the first place?
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Are you a moderator? No? Well leave the forum policing to those qualified, as your posts seem to show your ineptitude for such a task.
Have a nice day.

styles420 said:
I'll admit, I could have been more helpful, but my defense is that it would only encourage him to keep breaking the primary rule to at least try to find the answers before posting. And I may be mistaken, but I think I've seen this guy do this before, so I was under the impression that he'd already used his newb card on this forum and has had the rules pointed out - if we get unlimited second chances, why bother to follow the rules in the first place?
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Fair enough Styles, I fully understand that sentiment! I agree that people should not be coddled, especially if they should know better--and with a post count of 250+, blackdragon79 obviously has been around the block at XDA. Maybe the middle ground between holding his hand and blowing him off is the best answer, such as linking to the information to help himself like Nikon did. You don't have to waste much effort, and it encourages him to "figure it out for himself," but at least gives him a push in the right direction.
Oh, and I realize I'm getting on my high horse with these two posts, so feel free to tell me to F*** off, LOL! I just feel compelled to act as a social mediator on here sometimes.