Yup Yup Yup, I've decided to make a poll on the most debated Topic on here, simply i want to know if all x10 owners here feel the same way like me or not..
And also to give any new comer an idea about the status of the community, so
what do you expect you will see first on your device ?
- Devs here cracking the bootloader and Flashing a 2.2 Rom and giving us freedom to the world of modding.
- SE release the 2.1 update at the end of the month - and don't argue about the date pleaseeeeeee, i am sick of it - followed by the 2.2 update early next year which is a lot of time, but we don't have a choice...
you can get an extra point if you explain your opinion bases
One More Thing :
For Gods Sake, don't talk about :
- screen color support
- multi***** - you can guess it -
- Any other debated topic that have been discussed Zillions of times here Cause it just makes me fall asleep while reading it..
happy voting
If you don't know what is the new features you will get by updating.. here are a few from what have been posted here :
Android 2.1 :
- 720p Video recording.
- Live Wallpaper.
- Language support ( Arabic, etc.. )
- BT voice dial ( added 2.1 ? )
- more applications supported in Market ( Twitter, etc.. )
Android 2.2 :
-Have a faster phone, with JIT.
-To have faster web browsing (V8 Javascript engine).
-To be able to run ALL apps.
-To move apps to SD, if needed, to free space.
-To not have pixelated icons and images in apps - I think that this is probably due to the new resources layout - drawable-hdpi, mdpi etc.
- Flash support.
- push support for applications.
- Hotspot Option.
- 5x faster performance.
ehm - about the ( 3.0 ) in the title, its just to make the thread intersting ( don't daydream about it )
Umm here is the problem.
What are the features that make it stand out from one tier to another.
It is basically a movement of numbers to me.
What is the real differences between 1.6 ro 2.1 ?
720 recording, live wallpaper....and what else?
Then from 2.1 to 2.2
....flash support....? what else?
then from 2.2 to the rumored 3.0
No idea, maybe it shoot beams of laser or maybe allow you to call UMA.
Seriously, there are just numbers that is moving around. Things that can live or live without it. I am perfectly fine with 1.6 right now. Sorry, i am a Window XP user with 3 other pc with vista and win 7.
I still like win xp more, it feel a lot solid.
What i do like is SE fix that problem with this "force close" on some random in-bound calls and remove that damn slider.
wrongfeifong said:
What is the real differences between 1.6 ro 2.1 ?
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More language support ?
believe me , just thinking about the whole applications that require 2.0+ , the push in 2.2 , beside all you just said..
Knowing your phone can do many things it can't do right now cause of a stupid limitation that can be fixed ... some people can't bear that thought - including me -
mezo9090 said:
More language support ?
believe me , just thinking about the whole applications that require 2.0+ , the push in 2.2 , beside all you just said..
Knowing your phone can do many things it can't do right now cause of a stupid limitation that can be fixed ... some people can't bear that thought - including me -
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Also, with 2.1, the X10 can finally connect to WPA wifi networks
wrongfeifong said:
Umm here is the problem.
What are the features that make it stand out from one tier to another.
It is basically a movement of numbers to me.
What is the real differences between 1.6 ro 2.1 ?
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Fantastic to meet the only other person on the planet that isn't in a contest to get a higher number on the device
Upgrading for the sake of upgrading is .... fill in the blank.
I stopped the firmware upgrade at 024 since the phone is working "great" now so I don't see any value in an upgrade to 026 +. Unless something worth while is enhanced. Since there's no change log it's a little tough to see what the improvements are.
As to the Android 2.1, 2.2, 3.0, 99.9 unless there is true improvement in valid areas I could really not care less. (my personal feeling)
The ONLY feature I'm missing right now is Bluetooth Voice Dial which should have been in the very first release of Android.
2x-5x faster .. don't care, it's already fast. 720p video .... not interested. Hotspot, nope.
If you want and/or need those features then upgrading is great but the X10 pretty much already does what I need with 1.6. (except BT VD)
OMG, i felt in love with your post... Rly, we used to the updates, no matter what it brings. Diffrence between updates isn't important, the number of it is the main benefit. I think 1,6 of Xperia is rly well rounded. There is few things which should be improved, but it's rather improvement than hugh change. Im sick of reading the next post about how SE rude is waiting with upgrade to 2.1... Im not againts this, but ppl try to let it all hang out, just take a rest of writing next threats, enjoy your great mobile phone.
after 2.2 will android jump all the way too 3.0. or will they be like 2.3 and so on? just curios cause that would mean after 2.2 our phones wont be able to handle 3.0
The main benefit of 2.2 over 2.1 is the fact that it is at least twice as quick.. it's damned fast.. That would be my reason for wanting 2.2.. having said that though.. I'm not desperate for it.. my phone runs very well on 1.6..
I would love to just have 2.2.
3.0 . . I would never expect to see it unfortunately.
I really dont want 2.2 cooked firmware which has even 1 thing not working. I see a lot custom firmwares and there it says "...most of the stuff works" or "Camera not working" etc. I would NEVER put any ROM that is not 100% functional, I would rather use 2.1 that works than 3.0 that has no camera working. I really dont understand that, my last phone was Omnia HD and the man named HyperX is making custom firmwares for that phone, on his ROMs there can only be some extra stuff that are working and which are not in Samsung ROMS but everything else is working, and it is working better than Samsung original ROMs. So I really dont understand this Android ROMs, I always want clean ROM without some default apps and with everything else in it that makes the phone better, necer looking, who doesnt want it, he can easily remove it with Titanium Backup. That is my vision...
Nice to find other people happy not chasing the numbers ... I thinks Sony did a pretty fine job with 1.6. Looking forward to their version of 2.1, pretty sure they'll do a fine job of it too.
Only thing I'd slightly miffed about is no flash
I do like the Rachel UI, but an optimized FroYo ROM is better to me than official Eclair.
I don't care about upgrades at all. As already mentioned here I just want flash support and faster speed. The rest to me is pointless, sure 720p recording is cool but the more I think about how often I take videos the more I realize I probably wont take advantage of it. Remember when phones didn't have upgrades? When you bought the phone and used it for 1-2 years plus and it was the same thing the whole time? Those were the days...
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wrongfeifong said:
Then from 2.1 to 2.2
....flash support....? what else?
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Dalvik JIT and V8 engine..
mezo9090 said:
More language support ?
believe me , just thinking about the whole applications that require 2.0+ , the push in 2.2 , beside all you just said..
Knowing your phone can do many things it can't do right now cause of a stupid limitation that can be fixed ... some people can't bear that thought - including me -
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Exactly.
Zaslav said:
I don't care about upgrades at all. As already mentioned here I just want flash support and faster speed. The rest to me is pointless, sure 720p recording is cool but the more I think about how often I take videos the more I realize I probably wont take advantage of it. Remember when phones didn't have upgrades? When you bought the phone and used it for 1-2 years plus and it was the same thing the whole time? Those were the days...
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I probably won't use the 720p video recording, but probably the DLNA support.
Although, I know what you mean about the 1 to 2 years usage of phones, without an upgrade. To be honest, this only really happened with the first iPhone, and then in an even more accelerated way, with Android, and as more manufacturers are bringing out more Android phones, it means that they have to work harder to upgrade all of them at the speedy pace Google is moving at, and customize them too.
I just want the latest firmware (2.2+) to:
-Have a faster phone, with JIT.
-To have faster web browsing (V8 Javascript engine), and flash support, so that I don't have to hope that Skyfire will work for me.
-To be able to run ALL apps.
-To move apps to SD, if needed, to free space.
-To not have pixelated icons and images in apps - I think that this is probably due to the new resources layout - drawable-hdpi, mdpi etc.
- Lots more stuff that I can't remember...
BUT, I think we'll get 2.1 from SE before the custom bootloader/SPL is (nearly) bug-free, and can be flashed easily and safely. Hopefully, I'm wrong, and we'll have Froyo on our X10's by next week!
But the main problem I have, which is a bit off-topic, is that:
Will SE patch the root exploits when 2.1 is released, or even upgrade the bootloader, (or radio), without us knowing, to stop all progress completely - like Sony did, and still does, with the PSP?
aodmisery said:
after 2.2 will android jump all the way too 3.0. or will they be like 2.3 and so on? just curios cause that would mean after 2.2 our phones wont be able to handle 3.0
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Logical fallacy.
If a supposed 3.0 update contained "X", "Y" and "Z", but got changed to version 2.3 with "X", "Y", and "Z", the phone could theoretically run it because the version number is lower?
Think before you type. A larger number means absolutely nothing in terms of whether the phone could handle it.
HunteronX said:
But the main problem I have, which is a bit off-topic, is that:
Will SE patch the root exploits when 2.1 is released, or even upgrade the bootloader, (or radio), without us knowing, to stop all progress completely - like Sony did, and still does, with the PSP?
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Most likely yes.
And i find it normal as is a security flaw in the phone.
So, don't do any SEUS/OTA/Companion upgrades if you want to keep root.
iead1 said:
Logical fallacy.
If a supposed 3.0 update contained "X", "Y" and "Z", but got changed to version 2.3 with "X", "Y", and "Z", the phone could theoretically run it because the version number is lower?
Think before you type. A larger number means absolutely nothing in terms of whether the phone could handle it.
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he probably heard that "minimum" requirements for Gingerbread..
aodmisery said:
after 2.2 will android jump all the way too 3.0. or will they be like 2.3 and so on? just curios cause that would mean after 2.2 our phones wont be able to handle 3.0
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Don't Daydream ? thats what i was afraid of
damirbusic said:
I really dont want 2.2 cooked firmware which has even 1 thing not working. I see a lot custom firmwares and there it says "...most of the stuff works" or "Camera not working" etc. I would NEVER put any ROM that is not 100% functional, I would rather use 2.1 that works than 3.0 that has no camera working.
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i totally agree with you, but i've also seen some custom ones that work 100%, take the CM for example, i saw one myself that was very stable and working for normal daily use..
applebook said:
I do like the Rachel UI, but an optimized FroYo ROM is better to me than official Eclair.
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i think people who buy same phones think alike lol
tuxStyle said:
Most likely yes.
And i find it normal as is a security flaw in the phone.
So, don't do any SEUS/OTA/Companion upgrades if you want to keep root.
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i think if we upgrade to 2.1, we will be able to Flash-Back to 1.6 with the tools present atm ?
note,
i aggregated the info you guys put in the 1# post so if any1 new to x10 or android sees the thread can understand a bit
i don't want it to be a poll-chitchat thread that have no point at all, that would be waste of space
Ok i am pretty sure this is never gonna happen officially, (considering the froyo official update is going to come somewhere around april), BUT is it even possible for Gingerbread to work (in all it's glory) on the G3???
I am a bit of a newbie, still learning the tricks of the trade (haven't even tried flashing to froyo yet, holding off till i "know" something).
Anyway was just wondering.
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Ok i am pretty sure this is never gonna happen officially, (considering the froyo official update is going to come somewhere around april), BUT is it even possible for Gingerbread to work (in all it's glory) on the G3???
I am a bit of a newbie, still learning the tricks of the trade (haven't even tried flashing to froyo yet, holding off till i "know" something).
Anyway was just wondering.
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No .
why ? not powerful enought ?
OMFG!!! We ain't got an 100% Froyo version yet... Let ginger to another time! Hehehe
Maybe someday!?!?! But not now, we just need an good and stable version from FroYo first...
I m jealous of dat bloody optimus one. ..coz those guys gonna get gingerbread nt us...
-Devilgod (United Devils)
Anybody here at xda can port it to da G3?
It doesn't make me jealous.... Angry yes :X .... why does Samsung suck so much at support.... Froyo came out ages ago ... :'(
Nope i dont think..any of us r develooer or knw ny type of stufff....:-(
-Devilgod (United Devils)
well i am sure guys at xda will make a 2.3 version after a stable 2.2 version is given by Samsung for official version i have little hope.
actually the biggest thing missing now is the kernel source: the mainline android kernel doesn't support some things (touchscreen, accelerometer), and generally there is very little information about the SOC or the other hardware (no one cared to take it apart, s5p6442 specifications not on Samsung's site, from what the eclair kernel makefiles chose at compilation it appears it's got an arm1136j-s CPU, armv6k instruction set).
Once there is kernel support for the hardware the actual platform should work. I sent a source request a few hours ago (at least JPB sources), but I'm not too optimistic. I expect that if they see fit to reply it will be something along the lines of "GPL only makes it compulsory to share sources on request for official binaries, get lost!".
Didn't cyanogenmod created an source WITH sensor and wifi stuff?
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We received your request on OSRC.
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Please wait until then.
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oh, well... had to try; I guess they must have a button for this kind of replies already
Greetings over there,
after testing some Androids on my hd2 and recognizing that NAND Flash is now available it would be nice to know if there is an bugfree reliable release out worth to flash and long term trust in. Actually I use Froyo HD adaption from Desire HD, and I really like it, if there wouldnt be a problem, making me sound very bad in phone calls to the other side which I just know from my first tested release which also was a froyo I think.
Thx for your hints,
Its a great resource over here!
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Tytung's Nexus 1.9b release is VERY stable. He really puts a lot of effort into his builds. I havent had any issues and I have been using his builds for a while now...I think a lot of others will agree. It isnt sense though.
go over to the nand forum section and check the changelogs
but there is a desire z build in the sd forum section that is nand i liked it very much had no problems, just one reboot and perfect. i would check the desire z nand build out first cuz it is lighter and faster than hd builds
jdmitr said:
Tytung's Nexus 1.9b release is VERY stable. He really puts a lot of effort into his builds. I havent had any issues and I have been using his builds for a while now...I think a lot of others will agree. It isnt sense though.
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It seems very difficult to keep sight on which builds will be best for what you want. Isn't it amazing how many ROMs have been published in the past 12 days, and how many of those have been updated (some: multiple times) since their first presentation.
Personally I wouldn't mind if the number of releases would be halved, when the number of 'this or that is'nt working' reports would halve as well.....
Tytung's Nexus 1.9b is really stable. Had used it since release and its perfect.
You should take a look on this build, really..
But i like playing around with the phone, so i installed Gingerbread from mdj
For daily use i would use the Nexus 1.9b.
sodeknetters said:
It seems very difficult to keep sight on which builds will be best for what you want. Isn't it amazing how many ROMs have been published in the past 12 days, and how many of those have been updated (some: multiple times) since their first presentation.
Personally I wouldn't mind if the number of releases would be halved, when the number of 'this or that is'nt working' reports would halve as well.....
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Exactly. You got the / my point!
It's relly amazing how much developement is done. But it becomes more and more difficult to decide for a build. I need to use a release for atleast a week to know if it is reliable enough. Some have instable internet, some bad speech quality, on some the cam hung up... and I started to test in october, when most major bugs were fixed.
Maybe some review / documentation / moderation is needed. Is there an easy way to make a poll where everyone can insert release name and vote on some options like cam / i-net / phonequal. / speed overall / etc. ? I will have a look for smth. in this way.
I will give Tytung's Nexus 1.9b a try. As long as I just have to rename my old Android folder everything is fine. But that is also the biggest problem with NAND releases... you need to backup evereything instead of renaming, quite annoying if you get a bug that forces you to flash back (btw ).
For me the most important is a always working internet connection and good speech quality. (what else these phones are really made for)
Call me naive, but why would I upgrade to the official 2.3 realise from one of the gingerbread based roms (CM7 / oxygen / MIUI)??
Are there performance gains to be had??
I'm struggling to understand the motivation to upgrade, please enlighten me.
Thanks.
LarzGearbox said:
Call me naive, but why would I upgrade to the official 2.3 realise from one of the gingerbread based roms (CM7 / oxygen / MIUI)??
Are there performance gains to be had??
I'm struggling to understand the motivation to upgrade, please enlighten me.
Thanks.
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You shouldn't yet. What i have heared, it has better camera, wifi and touchscreen. But i don't think it's worth it.
If you can't stand using the 2.2.x version then you could upgrade to the official or an unofficial 2.3.x. Since you are in this forum you probably want the latest and greatest
In my case I upgraded to the official (I didn't try to root it yet). In my opinion it works fine, no issues with wifi at work or at home. The camera is better as mentioned by other members (it could be a placebo), and it feels more responsive (could also be a placebo). Some minor issues have been fixed/improved. I'm not much of a gamer but I've read that 3D performance is also improved.
The bad things are that they replaced the default launcher/music/lockscreen etc with their own, you can use something from the market but I'd prefer the AOSP ones to be included in the ROM (I want the CRT lockscreen effect!!!), I also couldn't make the equalizer to work which is strange but maybe it's a beta thing...
Also there are no Greek letters on the contact list (the vertical alphabet) and the SMS app supports 70 chars in Greek and not 160 (using the same IME that supported 160 in Froyo). These could be Gingerbread issues and not Huawei specific though but if you use a non-latin alphabet...
I don't plan to downgrade (it can be done as I've read), I don't have random reboots, crashes or other annoyances but I didn't have any on Froyo either.
You should always want to upgrade (the motivation is better performance, more features and a better user experience). Apart from from the Huawei custom stuff you could read some of the many Froyo vs Gingerbread etc articles in order to understand what to expect from an upgrade and decide if you need it (to either a custom or the official beta ROM)
I hope I helped...
Right. Think I'll stick will miui and hope someone can make a rom with the improvements from the official release
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Im also waiting,. the + points seems to be better battery and camera.
Seems to be a few reports of problems,- also the update is taken down from facebook.
Im on cm7 with cwm.
Beeing using the Nexus s I9020T with ICS for a while now, tought i share what i think of them working together. this is not a technical review with scores and such so please don't expect such information here. in fact i'm not going to mention any of the developers, kernel or ROM names here.
Background
Had Nexus one, when the Nexus S arrived i sold it and bought the NS.
I really liked the N1 and it was not easy to let it go, i liked how it felt in my hand and it was a good device... anyway... i tried many roms (almost any ROM and Kernel that were available at that time) with the N1, and then with the NS. these two devices had almost any ROM flashed to them day and night.
Almost there
at the beginning there was no official ICS rom for the NS nor even a full SDK source
but some PORTS where around so i had to try them out.
liked the way it looks but that's it. no stability, many bugs. not for daily use... not even for a night use. going from one build to another didn't make any difference. for example: none of the PORTS managed to activate the Bluetooth device. there was a missing driver (binary) and none of the developers managed to overcome the problem.
ICS SDK
At first a full SDK was released. Builds were a bit better but not enough.
still couldn't use it every day and always had to go back to 2.3.7
at this point i thought: "well i guess i'l have to wait for google to release an official OTA update and then i'll see some real action right ?"
well that was not just a thought but more like logic with a bit of knowing how google usually works. i thought that when google will release an official version for the NS it will probably run smoother because it will have hardware acceleration and google will put a new kernel, and they will make sure it runs well
ICS OTA
"What a great day" i stupidly thought to myself. "finally a new version for my device" i was so stupidly proud (like i made this phone or something) anyway...
i just went from smiling to almost crying ... "Thats it ?" i yelled at it (my NS) "Is that all you got ? What is going on here ? is this for real ? it can't be ... the update.zip file must be fake ! (didn't really think it was a fake...) it can't be it ? this is it ? this is ICS ? slow,unresponsive,slow,and slow ? that's all there is ? and in addition to that it was very very slow...
"ICS Roms"
Used all custom ICS roms available and any tweaked kernel that i found. yet,
still too slow for me...
my current Rom and kernel are the fastest i could find and don't get me wrong it is stable,no bugs and i use it daily. but after using gingerbread for so long, i guess i got use to the speed too much, after using it for a week, i'm starting to get use to it i can't say that it is great for me now... but i'm not giving up !
Calling All Devs
Hopefully we will start seeing some tweaked kernel and optimized custom roms soon. for now my NS will rest ... just for now...
http://youtu.be/EF3Al_HxYdc?hd=1